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Would Increasing the Salaries of the People in Government Prevent Corruption?

The temptation is great on the people who run our government, enact laws, and interpret laws to be corrupt because they do not earn that much in salaries.

An idea is presented wherein the salaries of these people be increased threefold to help them fight this temptation. After all, their salaries are extremely low compared to those of their counterparts from the other countries of the world.

If this idea is applied, would this prevent these people from indulging in corruption?
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  • SalaminkoSalaminko Member PExer
    We can't afford to pay them P5 million a year. These people aren't stealing just pocket change you know?
  • rabbaddalrabbaddal Westchester Ranger PExer
    I don't know about corruption. But increasing salaries will help retain competent people. In Singapore, public school teachers are trained at gov't expense and paid starting salaries that are higher than physicians. It's not surprising that their students do well in TIMSS.
  • pianpian Member PExer
    But before the country can afford increasing the salary, it should be able to rise out of poverty. This can only be possible if we have competent leaders. And putting them in public office is in the power of the electorate. So then, it would all boil down to having wise voters to see whom they believe to be the right leaders.
  • nocramnocram Banned by Admin PExer
    are we talking about all sector of the government here? just to remind you guys senator villar,roxas,jamby and iba pa dyan,are very wealthy government employees.do you think thats the reason why they work for the gov.? what im tryin to say is that,in the philippines corruption usually starts from the big fishes in the gov. and theyre not in it for the salary right?
  • cretinous00cretinous00 The sea! The sea! PExer
    for once you got it right. the TS obviously meant career gov't employees below a certain salary grade reserved for elected/appointed officials.

    for me, ok lang. but do away with assurance of tenure.
  • jonetjonet Wilmanure Fleas Republic PExer
    Would Increasing the Salaries of the People in Government Prevent Corruption?

    Not exactly.

    Fraud control. External Auditing. Internal Auditing. Access to all data and information and records by auditors. Transparency. Governance. Accountability. These are some of the process/activities that will help curb corruption and other anomalies. Provided that they are done in professional and ethical ways.

    Very strict rule might reduced corruption and similar activity: Death penalty for public officials convicted of corruption. No exemption.

    Salary increase is not sustainable. Change in the existing law to allow death penalty will have a better effects.
  • drhenry4drhenry4 B?nned by ?dmin ✭✭
    Better would be PROFESSIONALIZING the bureaucracy, instead of "palakasan". (Akala nyo ba si FG lang yan? Ayan o, 24 Senators and 200 Congressmen, threatening your department of less budget pag di mo pinasok yung nirerekomenda nya. :D )

    There is a specific EO actually to Civil Service Commission to implement this. Ang kaso para lang sa rank-and-file. Govt executive positions? Ayan, nakapila sa mga offices ng mga Senador at Congressmen, kesyo mga tatay nila campaign contributors sa partido nila. :D
    Sa office din ni FG, ganyan din.

    There is no hope in PROFESSIONALIZING the bureaucracy in a CENTRALIZED form of govt. sa Pilipinas. Sabi nyo nga, corruption ang problema.
    :D
  • hubcaphubcap on a roll PExer
    cool_ambo wrote: »
    The temptation is great on the people who run our government, enact laws, and interpret laws to be corrupt because they do not earn that much in salaries.

    An idea is presented wherein the salaries of these people be increased threefold to help them fight this temptation. After all, their salaries are extremely low compared to those of their counterparts from the other countries of the world.

    If this idea is applied, would this prevent these people from indulging in corruption?


    increasing salaried will help but i dont think thats the sivler bullet. what will reduce if not remove corruption is this --- LEAD BY EXAMPLE ANG LEADERS and more importantly, PROSECUTE THE GUILTY! TANGGALIN SA TRABAHO AT KASUHAN! not enough corruption cases are being lodged by the police and justice system and yet we read about it almost on a daily basis.
  • cool_ambocool_ambo Dr. Kagaw PExer
    Salaminko wrote: »
    We can't afford to pay them P5 million a year. These people aren't stealing just pocket change you know?

    E di sa halip na nakawein nila yung P50 million, ibibigay na lamg natin sa kanila yung pocket change.
  • cool_ambocool_ambo Dr. Kagaw PExer
    pian wrote: »
    But before the country can afford increasing the salary, it should be able to rise out of poverty. This can only be possible if we have competent leaders. And putting them in public office is in the power of the electorate. So then, it would all boil down to having wise voters to see whom they believe to be the right leaders.


    How long have we been "affording" the theft in government offices from top to bottom?
  • cool_ambocool_ambo Dr. Kagaw PExer
    nocram wrote: »
    are we talking about all sector of the government here? just to remind you guys senator villar,roxas,jamby and iba pa dyan,are very wealthy government employees.do you think thats the reason why they work for the gov.? what im tryin to say is that,in the philippines corruption usually starts from the big fishes in the gov. and theyre not in it for the salary right?

    I agree that this people have money.
    But if you will agree with me that these people are not blemished by corruption, then this would be a point for giving higher pay to the people who are governing us.
  • cool_ambocool_ambo Dr. Kagaw PExer
    for once you got it right. the TS obviously meant career gov't employees below a certain salary grade reserved for elected/appointed officials.

    for me, ok lang. but do away with assurance of tenure.

    By tenure, do you mean tenure of office in the government?
  • cool_ambocool_ambo Dr. Kagaw PExer
    jonet wrote: »
    Would Increasing the Salaries of the People in Government Prevent Corruption?

    Not exactly.

    Fraud control. External Auditing. Internal Auditing. Access to all data and information and records by auditors. Transparency. Governance. Accountability. These are some of the process/activities that will help curb corruption and other anomalies. Provided that they are done in professional and ethical ways.

    Very strict rule might reduced corruption and similar activity: Death penalty for public officials convicted of corruption. No exemption.

    Salary increase is not sustainable. Change in the existing law to allow death penalty will have a better effects.

    I agree with these examination and testing practices, particularly external auditing, but if you must remember that this corruption may be ongoing now despite these auditing and examination practices. Some people are already caught dead with their hand in the cookie jar but they still go scot free.

    Death Penalty? This is a long and tedious process by legal processes to get to. By the time we find the person liable for this punishment, he would have been dead by natural means.
  • cool_ambocool_ambo Dr. Kagaw PExer
    drhenry4 wrote: »
    Better would be PROFESSIONALIZING the bureaucracy, instead of "palakasan". (Akala nyo ba si FG lang yan? Ayan o, 24 Senators and 200 Congressmen, threatening your department of less budget pag di mo pinasok yung nirerekomenda nya. :D )

    There is a specific EO actually to Civil Service Commission to implement this. Ang kaso para lang sa rank-and-file. Govt executive positions? Ayan, nakapila sa mga offices ng mga Senador at Congressmen, kesyo mga tatay nila campaign contributors sa partido nila. :D
    Sa office din ni FG, ganyan din.

    There is no hope in PROFESSIONALIZING the bureaucracy in a CENTRALIZED form of govt. sa Pilipinas. Sabi nyo nga, corruption ang problema.
    :D

    PROFESSIONALISM is a very strong point to prevent corruption. It may very well be the only way to prevent corruption.

    But let us not forget that a lot of the people who are/were in office started with a lot of professionalism and dedication to their work, until temptation seeps in.

    It is difficult to foresee that people will be corrupt after we put them in.
  • cool_ambocool_ambo Dr. Kagaw PExer
    hubcap wrote: »
    increasing salaried will help but i dont think thats the sivler bullet. what will reduce if not remove corruption is this --- LEAD BY EXAMPLE ANG LEADERS and more importantly, PROSECUTE THE GUILTY! TANGGALIN SA TRABAHO AT KASUHAN! not enough corruption cases are being lodged by the police and justice system and yet we read about it almost on a daily basis.

    We can only tell our leaders to lead by example. Making them do it is another thing.

    Prosecuting the guilty will of course deter them from stealing, but those that steal are getting smarter nowadays. In short, they can get away with it using various means.

    Let me put it this way--- it depends on the corrupted to stop being corrupt, and for the prosecutors to give them a lesson. This people are not in any way under our control. We can only tell them of the good and honest way to do things.
  • cool_ambocool_ambo Dr. Kagaw PExer
    drhenry4 wrote: »
    Better would be PROFESSIONALIZING the bureaucracy, instead of "palakasan". (Akala nyo ba si FG lang yan? Ayan o, 24 Senators and 200 Congressmen, threatening your department of less budget pag di mo pinasok yung nirerekomenda nya. :D )

    There is a specific EO actually to Civil Service Commission to implement this. Ang kaso para lang sa rank-and-file. Govt executive positions? Ayan, nakapila sa mga offices ng mga Senador at Congressmen, kesyo mga tatay nila campaign contributors sa partido nila. :D
    Sa office din ni FG, ganyan din.

    There is no hope in PROFESSIONALIZING the bureaucracy in a CENTRALIZED form of govt. sa Pilipinas. Sabi nyo nga, corruption ang problema.
    :D

    I believe that this type of professionalism mentioned is different from the professionalism I have just discussed.

    This is the type of professionalism which is evaluated, or have undergone scrutiny by outside means or office created for the purpose of executive searching.

    Professionals passing though this type of screening usually do well against temptation.

    These people also will only submit to the executive screening if the advertised position that they are applying for is something that they will be comfortable with as regards pay, fringe benefits, retirement, other options, etc.

    The problem now would be if the government will accept this screening as final, or formality.

    Also, these positions that they will occupy will be non-elective.
  • drhenry4drhenry4 B?nned by ?dmin ✭✭
    cool_ambo wrote: »
    I believe that this type of professionalism mentioned is different from the professionalism I have just discussed.

    This is the type of professionalism which is evaluated, or have undergone scrutiny by outside means or office created for the purpose of executive searching.

    Professionals passing though this type of screening usually do well against temptation.

    These people also will only submit to the executive screening if the advertised position that they are applying for is something that they will be comfortable with as regards pay, fringe benefits, retirement, other options, etc.

    The problem now would be if the government will accept this screening as final, or formality.

    Also, these positions that they will occupy will be non-elective.

    We're both coming along that line of professionalism. Increasing the salary grades comes with it. Of course, coupled with a high qualification is a competitive salary package.

    But, as I've said, this wouldn't be possible in a CENTRALIZED govt. We need to amend the constitution to transform into FEDERAL form. In this form, govt affairs are well-maintained, easily managed.
  • BusilakBusilak Member ✭✭✭
    cool_ambo wrote: »
    We can only tell our leaders to lead by example. Making them do it is another thing.

    Prosecuting the guilty will of course deter them from stealing, but those that steal are getting smarter nowadays. In short, they can get away with it using various means.

    Let me put it this way--- it depends on the corrupted to stop being corrupt, and for the prosecutors to give them a lesson. This people are not in any way under our control. We can only tell them of the good and honest way to do things.

    And if the leader himself is underpaid, then this leader who can be true to his calling , or mandate , will be a real blessing to all of us.

    Further, if the prosecutors are underpaid, then the leader will have a tough time having his examples followed .

    Having said that, I think heads of gov't institutions are adequately compensated, not in salaries but in benefits and perks. But there are gov't employees who are not, like teachers and lawyers in PAO. Giving them good salaries is not even about fighting corruption though hopefully it will follow, it's about fairness in compensation.
  • pianpian Member PExer
    cool_ambo wrote: »
    How long have we been "affording" the theft in government offices from top to bottom?

    But now that our economy is growing, we would eventually be able to afford increasing the salaries. I prefer a growing economy first. Your theory is otherwise.
    Because I can see that if our economy grows, expected na more jobs. Kung jobless growth man siya, yun ay not for long.
  • blue_tracerblue_tracer soundscapes ✭✭✭
    maganda idea sana.. (parang hkg style.. mataas ang bigay nila sa mga 'sensitive' positions: immigration, customs and excise dept, police force).

    ang tanong na lang, saan kukunin ang funding para pang sahod? :confused: :mecry:
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