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french kissing/making out

Forgive my ignorance on the subject matter but I have always been raised with very conservative Christian values. I am lost though with the practice of French Kissing or Making Out...I've had reason to believe that it is not only premarital sex which is gravely offensive but even these small acts we do such as making out is said to be grave...any thoughts? what are the standings of the church on this?
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  • Cali4NiaCali4Nia Member PExer
    I don't think making out or french kissing is a mortal sin but, as the catholic priest who I confess to advises me here in the States, never ever get stuck alone with a guy in any place and always, always go out with a group SO that there is never a chance to act on your temptations....Jesus Is Lord.,..AMEN :D
  • holyprideholypride Member PExer
    thats a new one! french kissing a sin. im not too sure bout that one, id have to disagree
  • Expat-n-AmerikaExpat-n-Amerika peace and love PExer
    :( NOT ONE OF THE 7 DEADLY SINS, NOT IN THE TEN COMMANDMENTS SO WHOSE IS TO SAY ......STILL I AIN'T GONNA MYSELF THE PLEASURE... IT SIMPLY ONES CHOICE IF THE OTHER PERSON IS OK WITH IT....
  • iconoclasticonoclast Member PExer
    Why is it in human nature to be so eager to find fault in anything that is done solely for pleasure and nothing else?
  • guess_who?guess_who? Member PExer
    i 2, have heard that french kissing/making out is considered a form of premarital sex. i guess the church looks at it in a way that is lustful and immoral.
    i, though, must disagree. kissing is only lustful if your thoughts and intentions are of that degree 2. i believe it can also be viewed as an expression of love. it depends on how u look at it. it's important who ur kissing and why your kissing them.
    kissing should be a sacred act and not a form of mere pleasure, because on that degree, it WOULD be considered a grave sin.

    ... besides, wat couples DON'T experience french kissing these days?
  • hopiahopia Member PExer
    i've heard as well that it is of grave offense..the explanations are very vague though...but then again it could also be interpreted as only an occassion of sin and not entirely a sin yet..i think guess_who? is right in the sense that it only becomes grave in a relative sense when one uses it as a stimulation of one's self and not simply to express his/her love for the other...i guess there's a very thin line in-between there so it's really hard..i guess it's like pornographic pictures...some could look at pictures of a naked lady and not see the lust in it...while there are others who could look at fully clothed women but see lust.. i must disagree too but it really won't matter if i agree or disagree...i want to hear what the church says on this...any learned folks out there about church teachings who want to clear this out for us?
  • artfuldodgerartfuldodger This guy is HOT! PExer
    French kissing? a sin? I don't think so. Maybe we just find it "malaswa" kasi conservative (kuno) ang society natin.
    With regards to French kissing as a form of temptation. Well, are all temptations necessarily bad? Well, sexual acts are indeed wordly, but that doesn't mean they are impure. As long as it's done out of passion and out of love, it's fine with me.
  • makapangyarihanmakapangyarihan SEM Consultant PExer
    Originally posted by iconoclast
    Why is it in human nature to be so eager to find fault in anything that is done solely for pleasure and nothing else?

    maybe not necessarily to find fault but to find meaning or reason. it is not enough to say that i find pleasure in doing something and i should keep it at that. that is dangerous. if i somehow find pleasure in raping a girl or killing an innocent man, should i not be stopped from doing so?

    hedonism is not a very rational way of looking at life.
  • jackjack Cebu Blogger PExer
    WOW.... well if you feel guilty then don't do it..save urself from the trouble. ;)
  • allisonallison Member PExer
    French kissing is not bad, as long as you French kiss someone from the opposite sex, hehehehe...

    Kidding aside, it's not bad, it's petting and necking that is deadly...

    ok to make out with a kiss, but don't let your hands go into places it should never go...

    Nice day to all of you
  • ziggyboyziggyboy Member PExer
    French kissing is a mortal sin under the Catholic faith. Period.
  • whatchamacallitwhatchamacallit goddess of guck PExer
    Originally posted by makapangyarihan
    Originally posted by iconoclast
    Why is it in human nature to be so eager to find fault in anything that is done solely for pleasure and nothing else?

    maybe not necessarily to find fault but to find meaning or reason. it is not enough to say that i find pleasure in doing something and i should keep it at that. that is dangerous. if i somehow find pleasure in raping a girl or killing an innocent man, should i not be stopped from doing so?

    hedonism is not a very rational way of looking at life.

    ... but it IS the most pleasurable way of living life. :evil:
  • whatchamacallitwhatchamacallit goddess of guck PExer
    Originally posted by ziggyboy
    French kissing is a mortal sin under the Catholic faith. Period.

    This reeks of dogmatism, one of the many pitfalls of Christianity and the main cause of its dwindling number of parishioners. One of the greatest weaknesses of the Catholic faith is its tendency to be stubborn in matters that needed to be changed for the greater good and progress of humanity. In recent decades, we can see it gradually changing to accomodate new ideas and ways of living. What may be a mortal sin now, such as french kissing, will not remain so in the future.

    Sorry for sounding so self-righteous. I can't stand blind faith.
  • cast2cast2 Member PExer
    ziggyboy- "French kissing is a mortal sin under the Catholic faith. Period."



    REALLY? CARE TO EXPOUND ON THAT? I STILL DON'T GET WHY...
  • ziggyboyziggyboy Member PExer
    french kissing is a manifestation of lust. really, who sets the boundaries for premarital sex? is it the penetration? is it the touching of private parts? the Catholic Church says it starts in french kissing.

    yes, the Catholic Church demands a certain lifestyle but you're NOT forced to (and so the cause of 'dwindling' number of parishioners). becoming a totally practicing Catholic is very hard, i myself am having a hard time keeping up with all the requirements to become holy, it's not a stroll in the park for be because as whachamacallit mentioned the times are changing.

    what you're trying to bargain here is how the Catholic Church will draw the line on where premarital sex will start? so by the year 2500 oral sex will be ok, then by 3000 penetration will finally be accepted in the Church...the Church must not allow itself to be swallowed by trends because our 'times' are becoming more self-centered and materialistic by the century.
  • whatchamacallitwhatchamacallit goddess of guck PExer
    I agree that succeeding generations have become "more self-centered and materialistic" but the Catholic Church probably (inadvertently) contributed to the worsening of the situation regarding premarital sex (or specifically, french kissing) by Her restrictive rigidity AND confusing contradictions which alienates the majority of youth. They did not see the point because until now, the Catholic Church has not made the issue any clearer. She does keep changing but did not account for the fact that the younger generations may not have known exactly what transpired those changes. The lengthening of the passage of time between Christ's sacrifice and each new generation dilutes the value of Catholic morals because they might have intellectually accepted them as right but they are not compelled to adhere to them as is the case of the older ones.
  • cmars2cmars2 Wounded but Standing PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    Originally posted by Expat-n-Amerika
    :( NOT ONE OF THE 7 DEADLY SINS, NOT IN THE TEN COMMANDMENTS SO WHOSE IS TO SAY ......STILL I AIN'T GONNA MYSELF THE PLEASURE... IT SIMPLY ONES CHOICE IF THE OTHER PERSON IS OK WITH IT....

    agree!
  • ziggyboyziggyboy Member PExer
    the Church just has to have more youth-oriented programs. something that the laity should handle, not priests.
  • revonarevona Member PExer
    i graduated from an all boys school
    probably the mose conservative around
    it's a non catholic/christian school that
    pretty much focuses on the teachings on the church

    french kissing and making out is a sin. lust is one of the most dangerous sins yet we rationalize and say that it's alright because we love the person. making out with the person you 'love' doesn't take away the fact that there was NO lust present. it is an inevitable fact that LUST will be always present.

    yes, it is true that making out nowadays has become the norm for most couples if not all. i myself have been in two relationships (...quite steamy). yes, i have made out. yes, i enjoy the feeling. yes, i rationalized. but after awhile when you've gotten your head back intact you realize that there was something bad about what you did. you ask yourself "pano kung nahuli kaya ako?/what if i got caught?"
    those feelings of guilt point out to the fact that there was something wrong with what you did, something immoral.

    hope i wasn't too 'magulo'

    GodBless!
    stay away from dark rooms, have your DARK car tints removed!! hahahaha!
  • guess_who?guess_who? Member PExer
    u guys bring up pretty good points... but i seriously don't believe that french kissing can be classified as a "mortal sin." i have learned in my religion class in school that a mortal sin is an act that manifests complete disregard for God and/or human life. Acts such as murder, rape and child abuse fall under this category. i wouldn't go to far as to say that french kissing is as deep as these violations of religion.

    french kissing may not be the most "innocent" act there is but we have to learn to draw the line between an act that causes complete alienation from God & that which is a simple err in human judgement.

    i really don't think that french kissing is a really big deal if u compare it 2 other acts which are ten times as worse... A friend of mine actually asked a priest if french kissing is a sin. According to the priest, it is not, unless ur hands start 2 wander elsewhere... cuz then it can be considered as fornication. the problem with french kissing, in my opinion, is its tendancy 2 arouse human curiosity 2 go beyond the acceptable limit... that's when it can get dangerous.

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