If evolution is an ongoing process...

MeFan_YouJane

Just curious, religious discussions aside, since evolution is an ongoing process, does it follow that sooner or later other intelligent/sentient beings could evolve?

I wonder if future man would someday be sharing the world with the intelligent descendants of say reptiles or insects even. Perhaps being even being engaged discussions with them in some future version of Pinoyexchange... hmmm...

hotchillipepper

^^new unknown bacteria are being discovered each time. it's a competition to survive. The chances of survival is depending on how speciies can adapt to its environment. No species can't be the fastest like the hourse, and can be at the same time the strongest like the lion, or the tallest like the girrafe, or the biggest like the elephant, the most poisnous like snakes, the most intelligent like human, and at the same time they can fly etc. Available energy can be taken at one given time. Jack of all trades is not a master of anything. The competition is like an olympic game, their energy is only focused in one specialization. A gold medalist can't also be champion /or participant in other games.

Unfortunately, some animals became extinct before they can pass their genes to the next generation for many reasons, eg. dinosaurs. Human evolved after millions of years of the dinosaurs extinctions, they are out of the race. If I'm not mistaken, the evolution of a new "man" was just 7 millions years old, this is not counting the early man-like or the splitting of human race and living apes, which was about 20-30 millions years ago. This is like 3 minutes of 24 hours, if we equate the 4.5 billions years of our planet earth, more or less.

MeFan_YouJane

^Do you mean that man's intelligence precludes the possible evolution of other intelligent/sentient beings? How is that so?

hotchillipepper

^^^we know that different animals have social structures, they are thinking about how they act towards each other, good and bad. give them millions of years, possibilities are endless.

let's go back to your initial query.

I wonder if future man would someday be sharing the world with the intelligent descendants of say reptiles or insects even. Perhaps being even being engaged discussions with them in some future version of Pinoyexchange... hmmm...

I suggest that maybe read more and get a complete pictures of how evolution works, it helps!

MeFan_YouJane

^ Pinoyexchange (and most other forums) exist so there can be an exchange of ideas. And that's why I post here. Sure, I can go out and read more on the topic as you are suggesting, but I am not merely looking for information, rather hoping an exchange of ideas beyond the religious discussions, which seem to be the norm here.

Sheesh, this is the "Realm of Thought" last time I checked, and not the "Realm of Don't Go Here if You Don't Know Squat".

O well, I guess it's back to the Sports/Basketball forums for me...

hotchillipepper

oh noo! please come back!! sports are on weekends. You can spare a little in here on weekdays. Its just your queries are ambigous. So pardon me if i cut it short in my end here.

archnemeziz

I believe so. If it wasn't for the extinction of the dinosaurs, maybe the dinosaurs would've evolved to be the masters of the world, developing larger brains over time. Thanks to accidents in nature, humans have become the masters of the world. It is possible that we humans would cause our own extinction and then give rise to another species dominating the planet; that is if we don't heat up the planet enough due to global warming.

Jonga

^what if we are the dinos who evolved into more intelligent beings

@TS
you watch too much Heroes

Jonga

dpost.....

hotchillipepper

Dinosaurs had small brains, they were dumb. They consumed their energy by eating. They had not created shelters like insects and other animals etc.

jonga, its ok to watch superheroes too. it can be possible like bionic woman but not superman that can fly .

The next level up to cellular would be cyborgs - cybernetic organism. You see, watching too much TV helps.:p

here it is:

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Cyborgs
A cybernetic organism, or cyborg, is the melding of man and machine and ranges in scope from creating computers that have human attributes, such as independent thinking or the ability to learn, to the artificial heart, pacemaker, and a variety of synthetic implants. Cyborg advocates hypothesize that in the future mankind will use science and technology to transform into a virtually immortal being—still human, but with machine parts that perfect natural organs, muscle fiber, and bone.

In modern society, cyborgs have taken on a new meaning, particularly as computers have become more powerful and ubiquitous. While religious and ethical questions about cyborgs remain, people no longer fear machines that outthink, outperform, and are physically more powerful than humans. Science fiction, movies, and television shows portraying the cyborg-driven future have not only dispelled fear, but actually set expectations for further advances in providing computers with human attributes and vice versa for the betterment of both.

Since machines, such as pacemakers and kidney dialysis units, keep people alive, many argue that the world is already a cyborg community. Given the pace of technological development, there is little doubt that the human/cyborg melding will proceed.

http://www.answers.com/cyborg?cat=technology

hotchillipepper

Dinosaurs had small brains, they were dumb. They consumed their energy by eating. They had not created shelters like insects and other animals etc.

jonga, its ok to watch superheroes too. it's possible that the future generation is like bionic woman but not superman that can fly too .

The next level up to cellular would be cyborgs - cybernetic organism, it would be the known highest complex form of matter, unless, we discover other aliens that can be more complex than that. You see, watching too much TV helps.:p

here it is:

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Cyborgs
A cybernetic organism, or cyborg, is the melding of man and machine and ranges in scope from creating computers that have human attributes, such as independent thinking or the ability to learn, to the artificial heart, pacemaker, and a variety of synthetic implants. Cyborg advocates hypothesize that in the future mankind will use science and technology to transform into a virtually immortal being—still human, but with machine parts that perfect natural organs, muscle fiber, and bone.

In modern society, cyborgs have taken on a new meaning, particularly as computers have become more powerful and ubiquitous. While religious and ethical questions about cyborgs remain, people no longer fear machines that outthink, outperform, and are physically more powerful than humans. Science fiction, movies, and television shows portraying the cyborg-driven future have not only dispelled fear, but actually set expectations for further advances in providing computers with human attributes and vice versa for the betterment of both.

Since machines, such as pacemakers and kidney dialysis units, keep people alive, many argue that the world is already a cyborg community. Given the pace of technological development, there is little doubt that the human/cyborg melding will proceed.

http://www.answers.com/cyborg?cat=technology

hotchillipepper

thanks to |TS- MeFan_YouJane, we have a good topic about on going evolution , the evolved new form of matter- cybernetic organism.

If you want to see some real Intelligent design- here it is:

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?p=22024358#post22024358

archnemeziz

^In human terms, they were dumb. But what if the conditions were right for them to evolve into intelligent beings? That changes everything. It is only a matter of chance that intelligent beings arise. Scientists are actually arguing that had the asteroid missed earth, they (the dinosaurs) would have evolved into intelligent beings. Apparently, they were developing intelligence before the asteroid hit earth. Question is, are we really that intelligent? Maybe some planet on the opposite side of the galaxy for instance have intelligent fishes because their planet isn't terrestrial-based. Star Wars (even if it is fiction) portrayed some dinosaur-like intelligent beings. The point is, it is possible.

hotchillipepper

yeah, everything has possibilities. However, the dinosaurs were around for over 180 million years. The earliest hominoid that we discovered were just less than 10 milion years. So, there were dinosaurs that starting to had arms form( not used for walking) and they walked on hind legs, but they stayed that way till they become extinct a lot longer than human evolution.

Again, just a speculation that they energy was consumed more in digestion, that's why they were big. As far as I know that no other species known has a bigger brain in proportion or density to their body size. Exception to our skin, the brain is the biggest organ of human body.

jjjeronimo

Now this reminds me of an episode regarding a supposedly "intelligent dinosaur" I saw on the Discovery Channel (or was that Nat Geo?) some years back. It was some kind of raptor and according to the show was more or less as intelligent as the wolf. Towards the end, they even speculated on what might have been had the reign of the dinosaurs not been ended abruptly, by showing a "humanoid" which could have evolved from dinosaurs.

Remember that at the time these dinosaurs were flourishings, our mammalian ancestors were little more than shrew-like animals scavenging the leftovers of the bigger dinosaurs. Perhaps even occasionally being the prey themselves.

Yes, humans appeared just 10 millions years ago, but this was still preceded by 165 million years or so of mammalian evolution unimpeded by competition from dinosaurs.

MeFan_YouJane

hotchillipepper wrote: »

oh noo! please come back!! sports are on weekends. You can spare a little in here on weekdays. Its just your queries are ambigous. So pardon me if i cut it short in my end here.

Checking back from the Sports forums... Sorry if the queries are ambigous. But they were meant to be that way in a sense. The objective of my post was to have a discussion on the "what-ifs" of evolution, and not necessarily a desire for information.

So there...;)

jmromano

MeFan_YouJane wrote: »

^ Pinoyexchange (and most other forums) exist so there can be an exchange of ideas. And that's why I post here. Sure, I can go out and read more on the topic as you are suggesting, but I am not merely looking for information, rather hoping an exchange of ideas beyond the religious discussions, which seem to be the norm here.

Sheesh, this is the "Realm of Thought" last time I checked, and not the "Realm of Don't Go Here if You Don't Know Squat".

O well, I guess it's back to the Sports/Basketball forums for me...

That's their default answer here.;)

vinta18

^ The reason for the response is we (or I, in particular) want to share thoughts with people with generally the same level of basic knowledge. I don't want to go into an evolution thread with someone asking questions that have already been answered by reading the wikipedia entry like the theists who question evolution without even knowing its basic mechanism.

Thought requires some basic knowledge of the topic being discussed. Don't expect to be handheld and spoonfed.

vinta18

To answer the question: yes, another intelligent species could evolve but we'd kill them first before they got too smart. Unless they were entirely isolated, humans would get wind of them before they evolved to a level that is comparable to us.

jmromano

vinta18 wrote: »

^ The reason for the response is we (or I, in particular) want to share thoughts with people with generally the same level of basic knowledge. I don't want to go into an evolution thread with someone asking questions that have already been answered by reading the wikipedia entry like the theists who question evolution without even knowing its basic mechanism.

Thought requires some basic knowledge of the topic being discussed. Don't expect to be handheld and spoonfed.

Noted vinta18. I was just reminded that somebody told me the same thing when I had just joined pex.

vinta18 wrote: »

To answer the question: yes, another intelligent species could evolve but we'd kill them first before they got too smart. Unless they were entirely isolated, humans would get wind of them before they evolved to a level that is comparable to us.

Then how come nobody killed us before we get this smart?

rickym

doesn't evolution proceed at a faster rate when the organism is more evolved? for example, mankind took thousand if not millions of years to evolve into something different when they were in their homo erectus stages, but when they were homosapiens progressed a lot faster, just check out the last few centuries.

if that happens then we should be more concerned on who we share our status with? on what higher being we will relate to? that is of course kung meron. could be the gods or the aliens.