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babyloves_78babyloves_78 PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
hey guys i own an isuzu crosswind 2006 model, i need help or some information that can help me decide whether i will continue using biofuel or not, and what are the advantages and disadvantages of biofuel. thanks for the help
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  • I used biodiesel on my Frontier before (the bottle that you pour in... used 2 L in a full tank) and the fuel mileage and performance did improve. I didnt use it regularly; just used it once in a while to "purge" my fuel system when i'm near the fuel filter change (as Bio D seems to help clean the system) and when i go out on long trips.
  • kelunjikelunji PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    I used biodiesel in my Hilander (we share the same 4JA1 engine). Pansin ko, although "butt dyno" lang ang gamit ko hehe, parang nawala yung "hesitation" niya kapag nag-accelerate. Parang "dumulas" yung accelerator. Dati kasi hirap siya sa arangkada. Also nabawasan ng konti yung maitim na usok, and it had a relatively pleasant smell, parang BBQ.

    And the most telling as Slamm noted, when I replaced the fuel filter after using it, ang daming particulates nang binaklas ko. I read that normal daw yun after using BD. Galing sa fuel tank at fuel lines. After subsequent replacements ng filter, hindi na siya ganun ka-putim.
  • babyloves_78babyloves_78 PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    tnx sa mga reply nyo kasi im still hesitating to use it kasi when i ask the service advisor at isuzu ang sabi nya meron sila isang case dun trooper nag brake down daw yung injection pump bcoz of bio D. isa pa pala ask ko din kung ano ba maganda oil sa d engine im currently using castrol magnatec with 10w40 rating semi-syntetic medyo mahal nasa 980 per gallon so assume ko ok sya gamitin tnx again..... and san local website ang meron ifo real stats about bio fuel tnx
  • On your oil question, regular multigrade mineral oil rated API CH-4 or higher should suit your diesel engine fine (Petron Trekker, Mobil Delvac, Caltex Delo, Shell Rimula, etc). What's important is you change every 5,000kms.
  • It is sad to note that bio-fuels (bio-ethanol & bio-diesel) are nothing but a petrol-base fuel additives.

    Bio-fuels could be a misnomer in terms of finding/formulating a “genuine”, bio,eco and/or environment-friendly fuel --- possibly, a renewable source of an energy. --- it’s a misnomer indeed to come-up with an alternative energy that the same would contain inorganic petrol-base (methanol & ethanol) and acidic/toxic Sodium/ Potassium Hydroxide Catalytic Reactants, that could lead to corrosion and damage on engine parts.

    Bio-diesel is just for mixture at 5%-20% to petro-diesel, If it goes beyond 10-percent or 20-percent use, it will not be good for the vehicle. “We cannot use 100 percent (B100) of coco fuel in the engine”, according to Usec. Eduardo Mañalac, former Usec., of the Department of Energy, now is the President of PNOC.” Thursday, March 11, 2004 @10:12 PM GMT – 12-Baguio testing use of coconut fuel Ecology.

    Petroleum Based Fuel Adulteration:
    On the product Standardization of Petrol-Fuel Oils, International Trade Standard Specification, the general requirement stipulates – “The fuel oil specified herein shall be hydrocarbon oils FREE from INORGANIC ACIDS and FOREIGN MATTER.”

    Bio-ethanol is just a mixture of 10% ethanol & 90% petro-gasoline. It would not be good also for the engine if the mixture would go beyond 35% because it will eat-up the rubber and plastic parts of the engine, thus increases the engine temperature.

    Gasoline and MTBE
    http://gasoline.dangernet.net/gasoline-and-mtbe

    What does MTBE do?
    MTBE (methyl tertiary butyl ether) is classified by the EPA as a ‘possible human carcinogen.’ Despite extensive testing the real effects of MTBE are not entirely known. While 20 public drinking water wells in California are no longer producing water because of MTBE contamination, the levels of MTBE that were required to induce cancer in laboratory conditions is 20,000 to 40,000 times higher than the levels that have been discovered.

    How does MTBE get into the water supply?
    Biodiesel Drawbacks

    Biodiesel can cause some problems. For example:
    Gelling Temperature: …Biodiesel gels at a higher temperature (32 degrees) than standard #2 diesel (-15 degrees). This isn't a problem with biodiesel/petro-diesel blends of 20% or less (B20 - B2) but it makes the use of B100 unworkable in a commercial vehicle.

    Lower BTU Rating: …A study done by the University of North Dakota indicated that, while there are significant fluctuations, #2 diesel contains about 140,000 BTUs per gallon while B100 contains about 130,000 BTUs. (B20 contains 138,000 BTUs.)

    Higher Nitrogen Oxide Emissions: Since biodiesel contains no nitrogen, the increase in NOx emissions is probably due to the higher cetane rating and the high oxygen content of biodiesel. These two qualities are thought to cause the nitrogen contained in the air to be converted into NOx during combustion.

    Higher Solvent Properties: Because biodiesel acts as a solvent it's likely, when used in an engine that ran previously on petro-diesel, that any sediment in the fuel system might be washed into the engine's filters and fuel injectors. Rubber gaskets and hoses will also degrade at a higher rate. This means that filters will need to be changed within 1000 miles of changing to a biodiesel blend and the hoses and gaskets will eventually need to be changed to something that doesn't react to biodiesel; like Flourenated Viton.

    Health and safety
    Methanol is intoxicating but not directly poisonous. It is toxic by its breakdown (toxication) by the enzyme alcohol dehydrogenase in the liver by forming formic acid and formaldehyde which cause blindness by destruction of the optic nerve. [3] Methanol ingestion can also be fatal due to its CNS depressant properties in the same manner as ethanol poisoning. It enters the body by ingestion, inhalation, or absorption through the skin. Fetal tissue will not tolerate methanol. Dangerous doses will build up if a person is regularly exposed to vapors or handles liquid without skin protection. If methanol has been ingested, a doctor should be contacted immediately.

    Looming Petroleum Crisis Solution Found in Cebu, Philippines!
    In an effort to realise this long overdue alternative clean and renewable source of eco-dynamics energisation, a cebuano vegetable energy expert was asked by the Arroyo Administration to produce his 1976 invention…
    http://peakoil.com/gate.html?name=News&file=article&thold=1&mode=flat&order=0&sid=15553#8628

    ENKOCO Supersedes Esterification Process Bio-diesel
    http://www.enkoco.zoomshare.com/album/UNIVALM%20ENKOCO%20ECO-DYNAMICS%20ENERGY/images/31da511e85d3657f2ff1bd8493e4d4ae_11488257200/:album?css=/lib/style/type_album.css&css=/lib/style/arial.css&css=/lib/suffixapp/webchat/webchat.css

    ENKOCO Health & Environment (Toxicological Information)
    http://www.enkoco.zoomshare.com/album/UNIVALM%20ENKOCO%20ECO-DYNAMICS%20ENERGY/images/b8de7bf576b3258df649492bace296fc_11488255730/:album?css=/lib/style/type_album.css&css=/lib/style/arial.css&css=/lib/suffixapp/webchat/webchat.css

    Signs of the Times
    ENKOCO Greengold, the millennium veggie fuel (100% Petroleum based Substitute)
    http://www.enkoco.zoomshare.com/album/UNIVALM%20ENKOCO%20ECO-DYNAMICS%20ENERGY/images/473936cd85a574d6c6c0959ee65f25d0_11512231360/:album?css=/lib/style/type_album.css&css=/lib/style/arial.css&css=/lib/suffixapp/webchat/webchat.css

    Everybody is welcome to visit: http://www.enkoco.zoomshare.com
  • Honda has a Civic (2006 model) that will run on 100% ethanol.
    they also have one that will run on natural gas.

    let's just wait see for a moment.
  • Yes greatbob, U're indeed "great" in understanding on biofuels. Enkonizer does not say that Flex-fuel-vehicle (FFV) could not run on 100% veggie fuels, but rather stipulating only on "claimed biofuel" to find out that its uses is only good as an ADDITIVE. Your hope to see what would happen in the use of biofuel in the near future, your observation would be woth, 'coz hopefully next year 2007 most (old & new) vehicles would be running on veggie FUELS not as an ADDITIVE. More Power!
  • Some posters seem to be confused as to what biofuel actually is. It is deisel fuel made from any plant or animal oil. It is not to be used in place of engine lubricating oil. In the USA most biofuel is made from corn or soybeans & is used in place of diesel fuel. It is NOT just an additive. In some northern climates that biodiesel must be diluted or it will freeze. In The Philippines it can be used straight & will not harm anything. It can be made from sugar or even from old newspapers. Wood scraps from furniture making & the scrap from logging can also be used. There is no reason to tie the production of biodiesel to sugar since it can be made from many things including old cooking oil (McDonalds or Jollibee, KFC etc).
  • There is a 100% biodiesel fuel that will never gel or cause any problems in the PI due to the heat there. There are bio additives used for gasoline but they are not the topic of the biofuels act. Perfectly fine diesel fuel can be made from plants and old cooking oil. Do not confuse gasoline stretchers with biodiesel! Fuel can be made from coconut trees, sugar, old wood pulp and in the US mostly corn & soybeans. It has to have additives put in when used in extremely cold climates but that is not a factor in Philippines.
  • kelunjikelunji PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    gelynch52 wrote: »
    Some posters seem to be confused as to what biofuel actually is. It is deisel fuel made from any plant or animal oil. It is not to be used in place of engine lubricating oil. In the USA most biofuel is made from corn or soybeans & is used in place of diesel fuel. It is NOT just an additive. In some northern climates that biodiesel must be diluted or it will freeze. In The Philippines it can be used straight & will not harm anything. It can be made from sugar or even from old newspapers. Wood scraps from furniture making & the scrap from logging can also be used. There is no reason to tie the production of biodiesel to sugar since it can be made from many things including old cooking oil (McDonalds or Jollibee, KFC etc).

    I read the posts again. Nobody said anything about BD being used as engine oil until you mentioned it.
  • Actually, may benefits pa din ang biofuel kahit as an additive lang. It'll (slightly) lower our foreign exchange consumption as well as our reliance on imported oil. Also, it will lower our carbon footprint as well as lower our usage of non-renewable energy.

    Sana lang it's more akin to bio-diesel which has performance benefits as well (from my readings here), and unlike Ethanol which has a performance penalty.
  • tinamad ako basahin ng buo ang article, pero ndi po inorganic ang ethanol at methanol. They are in fact, carbon based and thus, organic.
  • An Act to direct the use of Bio-fuels, 13th Congress, Hose Bill No. 1347 of 2006


    SECTION 1. Short Title. – This Act shall be known as the “Biofuels Act of 1 2006.” 2

    SEC. 3. Definition of Terms.
    As used in this Act, the following terms shall be taken to mean as follows:

    d) Biodiesel – shall refer to Fatty Acid Methyl Ester (FAME) or mono-alkyl esters derived from vegetable oils or animal fats and other biomass-derived oils that shall be technically proven and approved by the DOE for use in diesel engines, with quality specifications in accordance with the Philippine National Standards (PNS);

    e) Bioethanol Fuel – shall refer to hydrous or anhydrous bioethanol
    suitably denatured for use as motor fuel, with quality specifications in accordance with the PNS;

    Therefore, BIO-DIESEL is made thru Esterification, otherwise known as Coconut Methy Ester (ification) CME.

    DUBIOUS PNS 2020:2003 & BIO-DIESEL TECHNOLOGY?
    http://www.gov.ph/forum/thread.asp?rootID=73028&catID=9

    Petroleum Based Fuel Adulteration?

    On the product Standardization of Petrol-Fuel Oils, International Trade Standard Specification, the general requirement stipulates – “The fuel oil specified herein shall be hydrocarbon oils FREE from INORGANIC ACIDS and FOREIGN MATTER.”

    QUESTION:
    Are Methanol, Methyl Tertiary Butyl Ester, Potassium/Sodium Hydroxides are not inorganic -- Foreign Matters?

    Gasoline and MTBE What does MTBE do?
    MTBE (methyl tertiary butyl ether) is classified by the EPA as a ‘possible human carcinogen.’ http://gasoline.dangernet.net/gasoline-and-mtbe

    Health and safety

    Methanol is intoxicating but not directly poisonous. It is toxic by its breakdown (toxication) by the enzyme alcohol dehydrogenase in the liver by forming formic acid and formaldehyde which cause blindness by destruction of the optic nerve. Methanol ingestion can also be fatal due to its CNS depressant properties in the same manner as ethanol poisoning. It enters the body by ingestion, inhalation, or absorption through the skin. Fetal tissue will not tolerate methanol.

    You Want The Truth? Can We Handle The Truth?

    Few Good Men --- the movie! "You want the truth? You can't handle the truth." Are we just doing the best that we can? Or we did our best, but our best is not enough!

    FATTY ACID METHYL ESTER [FAME] IFICATION or Trans [ester] ification

    Transesterification
    In organic chemistry, transesterification is the process of exchanging the alkoxy group of an ester compound by another alcohol. These reactions are often catalyzed by the addition of an acid or base.

    Rancidification
    Rancidification is the decomposition of fats and other lipids by hydrolysis and/or oxidation. Hydrolysis will split fatty acid chains away from the glycerol backbone in glycerides. These free fatty acids can then undergo further auto-oxidation. Oxidation primarily occurs with unsaturated fats by a free radical-mediated process.

    Redox (Redirected from Oxidation)

    Redox reactions include all chemical processes in which atoms have their oxidation number (oxidation state) changed.

    This can be a simple redox process, such as the oxidation of carbon to yield carbon dioxide, it could be the reduction of carbon by hydrogen to yield methane (CH4), or a complex process such as the oxidation of sugar in the human body, through a series of very complex electron transfer processes.

    The term redox comes from the two concepts of reduction and oxidation. It can be explained in simple terms:

    Oxidation describes the loss of an electron by a molecule, atom or ion
    Reduction describes the gain of an electron by a molecule, atom or ion

    Combustion of hydrocarbons, e.g. in an internal combustion engine, produces water, carbon dioxide, some partially oxidized forms such as carbon monoxide and heat energy. Complete oxidation of materials containing carbon produces carbon dioxide.

    ENKOCO GREENGOLD is not a bio-fuel, it's a 100% petroleum based fuel subsitute. http://www.enkocogreengold.zoomshare.com
  • rationalrational PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Gosh, what utter nonsense enko-whatever.

    Methanol is an alcohol. It is organic. What's more, after the reaction with the vegetable oil and purification there is very little methanol left. Manufacturers try to minimize the methanol in the finished product because they recycle it back to be used in the reaction mixture.
  • (Sic)
    Gosh, what utter nonsense enko-whatever.
    Methanol is an alcohol. It is organic. What's more, after the reaction with the vegetable oil and purification there is very little methanol left. Manufacturers try to minimize the methanol in the finished product because they recycle it back to be used in the reaction mixture. (Sic)

    Yes, reading only one chapter of the book, we believed that ethanol is organic --- correct! In commercial quantity requirement of a raw material, like methanol or ethanol, producer will resort in using in organic, in the parlance of biochemistry DISTILLED ALCOHOLS -- that's inorganic. Ferminted alcohol is organic. Thus, an ice cream makers uses "Fruit Flavours" due to in adequate supply of what? Wood [methanol] alcohol is very rear and expensive to produce.

    ADDENDUM: The Cons of Methyl Esterified Biodiesel
    DUBIOUS PNS 2020:2003 & BIO-DIESEL TECHNOLOGY?
    http://www.gov.ph/forum/thread.asp?rootID=73028&catID=9

    Of course, nothing is without penalty, and biodiesel does have its drawbacks. Some have to do with the fuel itself, and many have to do with the bigger picture.

    One of the problems with the fuel itself is the increase in NOx in biodiesel emissions. Often, in diesel fuel manufacturing, when you decrease the amount of particulate matter in the emissions, there is a corresponding increase in nitrogen oxides, which contribute to smog formation. Though some of this can be addressed by adjusting the engine itself, that's not always feasible. There are technologies being researched to reduce NOx amounts in biodiesel emissions.
    Another problem is biodiesel's behavior as a solvent. Though this property is helpful, it's kind of a double-edged sword. Some older diesel vehicles (such as cars made before 1992) may experience clogging with higher concentrations of biodiesel. Because of its ability to loosen deposits built up in the engine (which may be there from old diesel fuel), biodiesel can cause the fuel filter to become jammed with the newly freed deposits. Biodiesel manufacturers suggest changing the fuel pump shortly after switching to high-concentration biodiesel blends. Components within these older fuel systems may also become degraded. In addition to deposits within the fuel system, biodiesel also breaks down rubber components. Some parts in the older systems, such as fuel lines and fuel pump seals, may become broken down due to their rubber or rubber-like composition. This is usually remedied by replacing such components. Though many manufacturers have included biodiesel in their warranties, potential for problems could still exist. For more information on biodiesel and vehicle warranties, check out The Biodiesel Standard.
  • Biodiesel banned in Texas
    http://www.alternative-energy-news.info/biodiesel-banned-texas/

    December 31st, the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality (TCEQ) is set to effectively ban biodiesel in the state’s largest markets. The problem, they say, lies with the fuel’s nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions and their contribution to the formation of ground-level ozone in Texas’ eastern counties. According to the TCEQ, biodiesel does not meet the stricter NOx standards recently imposed on diesel and alternative diesel fuels under new regulations. Efforts to clean up the air, led the TCEQ in November 2005 to adopt Texas low emission diesel standards (TxLED) in an effort to reduce pollutants in the state’s smoggiest 110 counties. Texas’ biodiesel industry - the largest in the country - suddenly found itself essentially outlawed after the standards went into effect.
  • Clarification lang kasi nadrift yung discussion sa inorganic at organic. I think the point is if its renewable/bio-degradable -- not organic or inorganic.

    But just because it's renewable/bio-degradable doesn't mean we can be wasteful about it. Kung inefficient naman ang inclusion rate or malaki ang performance penalty ... finite din naman yung lupang puwedeng pagtaniman ng tubo ano?

    Tungkol naman sa NOX, I'd take some of that over the other crap that comes out of the engine -- huwag lang sosobra. Again, malaking bagay ang efficiency ng inclusion rate. Puwede pa nga natin kolektahin para sa mga dentista at sa mga karerista. :lol:
  • rationalrational PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Texas has not banned biodiesel yet. In a separate test, the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) determined that there might not be any effect on emissions. It was only a small test but it was enough to give Texas second thoughts.
  • dark_halfdark_half PEx Rookie ⭐
    I have a 1998 Toyota Corolla.
    Can I gas up with Bio-fuel like Shell's E10? Is it safe to use in my car?

    Thanks!
  • dark_half wrote: »
    I have a 1998 Toyota Corolla.
    Can I gas up with Bio-fuel like Shell's E10? Is it safe to use in my car?

    Thanks!
    A friend of mine gassed up E10 2 months ago, and did not have any problems with his car. He drives and 89 lancer.

    By 09, all fuels are going to be required to have a biofuel component. Why not start now, mas mura pa nga siya. Honestly, I haven't tried it myself.
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