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Para sa mga taong nagsasabing pinatay ni snape si dumbledore dahil yun ang utos ni dumbydore.. your wrong.

In order to perform the killing curse, you need a real hate sa tao na gusto mong patayin. Kaya it is not logical na he was able to perform that curse without hating dumbydore.

Isa pa, bakit ba hate niya si bumblebee?
Kasi allergic siya bubuyog. Which is a metaphor of dumbydore being nosy. Lahat alam niya. Tapos si snape masekreto siyang tao. Anyway, he hates James Potter kasi mahal na mahal niya si lily. He dislike lily for being a muggle pero at the same time he loves her.
Now, uhm. When James and Lily were married, he hates them even more. And that made him more determined to kill James. So nakipagsanib siya kay Voldy.
Pero taken note, James lang ang gusto niyang patayin. When nalaman niya yung plan ni Mr. Dark lord. Pumunta siya kay Dumbledore para malaman kung saan si lily, so he could save her. Pero hindi sinabi sa kanya. Then lily died, Snape hates the son of James whose name is Harry. Pero everytime he look in Harry's eyes , he saw her "lily" kaya hindi niya magawang mapatay.

Thats the end of the theory. Meron akong mga sources. Pero I want to explain it in my own words para mas makaintindi kayo.


  • No.

    They killed off Dumbledore because Ed Harris is already dead and they can't have a suitable replacement for the upcoming Potter films.
  • Ano_ni_mooseAno_ni_moose PEx Rookie ⭐
    did you mean richard harris? or are they the same person?
  • Lovin flimmery's theory.
  • hey, please give me na lang a thread where they discuss a theory about Snape being in love with lily.

    Ok, I've read in the muggle.net. Remember book 6? Parehong magaling sa potion si lily and Snape. Pero according to the professor I-forgot-the-name , Si lily and pinakamagaling sa potion. Which means they were classmates with snape.

    Remember the worst memory of snape sa pensieve? Ito ang worst kasi ipinahiya siya ni James sa harap ni Lily and also the worst, because for the first time he called Lily a mudblood dahil ayaw niyang maawa si lily sa kanya. And thats when lily said snivellus.. and so it broke his heart more. So I guess the book 7 would tell us more about Snape and Lily, and the reason why snape hates James.

    I think at the end the protagonist of the story is Snape, sa kanya kasi nagrevolve lahat.
  • st.angerst.anger PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    did you mean richard harris? or are they the same person?

    no, they are 2 different actors. lucca made a boo-boo. :D
  • really?! :rotflmao:
  • Man, and to think that's my non-stoned Lucca typing there. :D

    Of course, Richard Harris, wtf was I saying? :lol:
  • hey guys, please naman. I am really serious. I want to know if someone here agrees with my theory or if may thread na ganito. I was searching in HP threads pero no one actually comes up with this idea. I am not sure, maybe i missed it.

    i beg you guys, please share your opinions. This is really bugging me. I felt like, I am solving the greatest puzzle in the whole world.
  • blearghbleargh PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    okay na sana until you made it seem like Snape was an obsessed lovesick *******. Besides, if he really loved Lily, don't you think he'd go after Voldy instead of Dumbledore? Sino ba pumatay kay Lily?

    Besides, with the emphasis on non-verbal spells (yun nga ba yung term? basta making spells in your mind), I'm more inclined to think that Snape performed one non-verbal spell first before the killing curse.

    my 2 cents :D
  • ToRnToRn PExer
    I'm more inclined to agreeing with bleargh's theory than yours flimmeryrose... peace! But your theory is a little too pinoy-soap-opera-ish for me.

    It is clear that Snape was not in love with Lily. Dumbledore is dead and Snape killed him. If Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him, I am not sure about that. I guess we'll find out in a year's time. :)
  • Lily Evans: Potions Maven?

    It was striking how often in HBP we were told that Lily Evans Potter was highly gifted at Potions. As far as I recall, this talent was never mentioned in previous books. We know that her wand was "good for Charms," according to Ollivander (who should know). We know that she had red hair, was Muggleborn, was Head Girl and a Gryffindor, and that she had green eyes like Harry. She was one of the few people who had "defied" Lord Voldemort three times. She was married to James Potter. We know that she was capable of great, self-sacrificing love for her child, and we know that for some mysterious reason, Voldemort gave her an opportunity to live. We know that she didn't like to see people bullied ("Snape's Worst Memory," OotP). And, thanks to post HBP interviews with Jo, we know that she was popular, and that James wasn't the only one who fancied her.
    The fact that she was good at potions isn't, perhaps, so significant in itself. If Dumbledore chose her as Head Girl, it stands to reason that she was a good student. It's the fact that she seems to have been amazingly good at potions that intrigues me. Slughorn remembers her very particularly and almost rapturously. As Harry begins to shine in Slughorn's class (with the help of the Prince), Slughorn compares him to Lily over and over. Not to Snape, mind you, who is the Half-Blood Prince and has been Hogwarts' Potions Master for years, but to Lily. In fact, at one point Slughorn even says, "not even Severus..." Now THAT really intrigues me! Snape's notated book shows an amazing talent for potions, as well as a fairly alarming aptitude for creating and perfecting curses. How on earth would one think of adding a clockwise stir, or crushing instead of slicing except through an incredible instinct for how ingredients will blend? It reminds me of a great chef who intuits the particular interactions that might take place by the slightest change of treatment of the ingredients at hand. But Lily was better than Snape at Potions?

    While I was first reading HBP, I thought that perhaps Lily was the Prince. I couldn't work out how, of course, being that she was Muggleborn and not a male. However, the constant references to her potions skills must mean something. Lily and Snape were in the same class, and yet Lily is the one that Slughorn remembers as the Potions maven.

    The only interaction we have ever seen between Snape and Lily is the pensieve scene in OotP. That was in their fifth year, as they had just finished their OWLs. The book with Snape's notes all over it is a NEWT level book, so it had to be used in their sixth and/or seventh year. In the pensieve Lily "blinks" and stops for a moment when Snape calls her a Mudblood. Her shock is understandable. She stands up for someone who turns around and insults her horribly. Granted, Snape is in the unenviable position of being bullied and humiliated, which would make anyone cranky (perhaps especially to the person who tries to "save" you). Still, "Mudblood"???

    Incidentally, and this is a tangential thought, but I doubt it will fit into any other editorials that I may write, so I am including it here: I hope that Harry soon realizes that what he saw his father doing to Snape was, after all, merely payback for what Snape evidently did to others. Snape takes full credit for the spells that Harry learns from the Potions book. He says that he invented them. Levicorpus, which James uses on him, was apparently something that Snape had created and used on others. Lupin says a lot of people used that spell and that it was en vogue at the time. But Snape is very proprietary about it, and the other spells in the Potions book. Also, the spell that Snape attempts to use on James, which cuts James' cheek before Sirius' warning - I wonder if this might have been Sectumsempra? It makes a fierce cut on James' face, although the spell didn't make full and proper contact. It's possible that what James was doing was giving Snape a taste of his own medicine. It changes my idea of James' choices in that scene, and makes me wonder if he was, while certainly not blameless, perhaps less of a nasty bully than we might think in that moment. If Snape created those curses and used them on other students, he may have been "justly served," as it was "a poison tempered by himself." (Laertes, Hamlet, Act V)

    Back to "Snape's Worst Memory." Lily may also be surprised because she doesn't expect that behavior from Severus for some reason. She immediately turns on him and calls him "Snivellus" after he calls her a Mudblood. (Lily is clearly not a pushover!) Perhaps she is surprised because they haven't had the same animosity towards each other that Snape and the Marauders share. I have read the theories that explore the possibility that Snape loved Lily. It's certainly a possibility, though most of the evidence to back it up is negative evidence. Lily doesn't seem to expect an insult from him. He doesn't insult Lily to Harry throughout the series the way he insults James. If he indeed felt remorse after sharing the first part of the Prophesy with Voldemort, the reason may be that it caused Lily's death. He shows no regret or sadness over Sirius' death, so I find it hard to believe he cared about James' either.

    While I don't find enough canon evidence to draw a conclusion that Snape loved Lily, it is certainly possible. I think it's also possible that, since they were both exceptional at potions, and since Lily seems to have been a fair, open minded and kind person, they may have worked alongside each other in NEWT Potions and developed some sort of accord. Perhaps they had a bit of competition going, or perhaps they even helped each other. Perhaps a mischievous Lily was intentionally kind to Snape, just to annoy James.

    There is one tiny moment in HBP that makes me wonder whether Lily may have made some of the contributions to Snape's enhanced Potions book: Hermione says that she thinks the writing looks more like a girl's. I don't believe there is evidence to show that there is more than one person's writing in the book, so this is probably a red herring. But it is interesting. What if Lily's talent is what is in Snape's old book? Even if she didn't voluntarily make the entries, Snape might have observed and copied her. Whatever the means or reason, the fact is that Snape and Lily must have been in the same NEWT level Potions class (assuming Lily took NEWT Potions - and that does seem to be probable, based on Slughorn's evidence). We know how good Snape is at Potions, and Slughorn remembers Lily as being the brightest of the bright - and better than Severus.

    I cannot imagine that this was thrown at us only for the purpose of misleading us as to the identity of the HBP. I think that Lily's Potions talents will be significant in Book Seven. I don't know how, but I think they will. Potions played a huge part in HBP. The cover for the adult version of the book was, in hindsight, one of the biggest clues we got about the contents of HBP. We saw the only Potions Master we have ever known switch to teach DADA, and a new and mysterious Potions Master in his place. The entire Half-Blood Prince part of the plotline was based on Potions and the Potions Book. We also saw Malfoy's use of the Polyjuice Potions to disguise Crabbe and Goyle; the Felix Felicis Potion and all of its contributions to the outcome; and, of course, the vile green potion that poor Dumbledore drank for the greater good of the Wizarding World. I would HATE to think that Lily had ANYTHING to do with that potion.

    I wonder if it was something to do with Potions that made Voldemort give Lily the opportunity to save herself? Maybe he hoped to use her? Maybe Snape wanted to save her and suggested to Voldemort that he might be able to use her? Could Snape have even been at Godric's Hollow with Voldemort that night? Could he have intended to spirit Lily away after James and Harry were dead? Is there some reason why Voldemort would have given Snape a "favor" by sparing Lily? (Hard to fathom Voldemort doing anyone a favor, but there might be a reason.) Whatever the outcome, I think that we will hear more about Lily and her remarkable instincts about Potion making. I only hope that what we learn will somehow help Harry with the daunting tasks that he has yet to face.
  • ToRn wrote:
    I'm more inclined to agreeing with bleargh's theory than yours flimmeryrose... peace! But your theory is a little too pinoy-soap-opera-ish for me. :grrr:

    It is clear that Snape was not in love with Lily. Dumbledore is dead and Snape killed him. If Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him, I am not sure about that. I guess we'll find out in a year's time. :)

    How could you be clear in that?. Hello? Why is it not possible? Why would he hate Dumbledore? Kasi nilagay siya sa isang subject na ayaw niya. POTIONS. Voldemort is making him suffer by reminding him of lily. Hindi ba sobrang mas painful pa yan?

    Ok probably, he did not hate him that much. I mean its hard to tell. Pero just focus na lang on Lily and Snape.

    About snape hating dumbledore, ok.. its hard to tell. Pero what I am really sure is that they are lovers, or probably its only snape who love lily.....
  • flimmeryrose741...I think you're delving into this waaaay too much...like what ToRn said....we'll all know when Book 7 is released.... besides this is a message board why are you blowing your top at people giving their opinions about your theory? At least may nagrespond...not that it was the response you were hoping for...although your theory does sound interesting...but dont waste too much brain juice on this...JK Rowling has the only right to that right now...
  • just be easy on yourself when your theory turned out wrong, ok? :)
  • magnabashmagnabash PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    hey, please give me na lang a thread where they discuss a theory about Snape being in love with lily.

    Ok, I've read in the muggle.net. Remember book 6? Parehong magaling sa potion si lily and Snape. Pero according to the professor I-forgot-the-name , Si lily and pinakamagaling sa potion. Which means they were classmates with snape.

    Are you referring to Slughorn?
  • samantha_jonessamantha_jones PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    The only person who can ever really explain anything is JK Rowling. All we can do is make theories...unless JK comes out with a spin-off type book kinda like the textbook-like book that came out after book 4 was released, that would explain some parts that the book doesn't delve into.

    But yeah medyo OA yun. I do think that Dumbledore had an agreement with Snape...mas feasible pa.
  • sweetwahmsweetwahm PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    i'm still convinced dumby isn't dead. now with with theory of snape finishing off the old wizard for real, ahhh... me no belieive. :D

    but we'll wait for Book 7 for everything to be revealled, ey? Wag mo nalang masyadong dibdibin. Everyone has their own theories, but they're just that -- thwories. JK is really playing along by keeping mum about most parts of the book.

    my 2 cents. :)
  • dRknGeLdRknGeL PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    snape doesnt have dumbledore.. and it isnt the avada spell that killed dumby... book 6 introduced as to making spells without saying it... its probable that snape use it the way dumby use the spell to harry demobilizing him in the tower
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