massacre of Iraqi civilians by US marines

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  • fundadorfundador Brandy PExer
    Aquaman wrote:
    Do you ever wonder if your wife ever cheated on you when you went on a WestPac?

    I know one guy his wife left him and cleaned out his apartment. His ship only went to Vancouver for a few weeks. Most WestPacs last six months.

    You know those Asian women love the white boys. Is your wife Asian? Does she like white boys?

    She may like the white boys when you are away but Chinese guys like you pay for her pedicure. At least you are buying her loyalty.

    Do us a favor [email protected] Ichi, stop wasting my tax paying dollars and ship yourself to Iraq and become cannon fodder. Make yourself useful for once in your American ***** kissing life.

    Now look who's the racist and sexist, if some Filipina forumers will see what you just posted, they will kurot your singit my friend. Maybe you like Chinese boys and white boys too, do you? :rotflmao:
  • PusaichiPusaichi re-member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    Yah, ingit si Aquaman, selos siya baka hindi siya i-table ng US Marines.
    Pag namatay yan, lalangamin at lalangawin na lang sa gilid ng kalye, malansa kasi. :lol:
  • quatrocantosquatrocantos NEOCON REBORN PExer
    Herr_Starr wrote:
    Wow, a retraction? LOL

    Talk about backhanded comments....
    more or less like a skunk, never seen a yellow striped skunk, just some white and it's such a nuisance when I drove the stench lingers on like a bad liberal policies, I can still have the flashback.
  • Herr_StarrHerr_Starr Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    more or less like a skunk, never seen a yellow striped skunk, just some white and it's such a nuisance when I drove the stench lingers on like a bad liberal policies, I can still have the flashback.

    Do you try to be this funny or is this natural...I have to stop reading your posts, almost spilled my coffee...

    Flashbacks, we talking PTSD or drugs?
  • quatrocantosquatrocantos NEOCON REBORN PExer
    Herr_Starr wrote:
    Apparently you didn't understand the point about logical fallacies.

    So now I'm Yellow. I've never been a contributing member of society? LOL. I work an honest job and get paid an honest wage. I pay my taxes, I dont live on handouts.

    You still pack a lot of assumptions in a few lines.

    As a military retiree, you were a dedicated public servant, that means you are living off my taxes. That's a Fact, not an assumption.
    I was your public servant until I've retired from the military. It's called end of self imposed servitude. So those people who are drawing Social Security are public servant because they were being compensated thru government ie; taxes? I probably won't be able to draw Social Security because it will be bankrupt by the time I reach the age. I had one bitter old man asking me why I've stayed for 20 years military and he said look at me, "I did one tour in 'Nam and never return back and as civilian he makes a ton of money". everyday for 3 years he bugged me for staying in the military. I told him I bought my own house when I was 25 years old, working three jobs to support a family( E-4 pay back then wont let you own a house) and I enjoy working with jets. I found out later that he work for United Airlines and his pension fund went **** up. He's almost retirable age but still have to work his *** off. So much for the false security of Union membership and it's liberal agenda.
  • quatrocantosquatrocantos NEOCON REBORN PExer
    Herr_Starr wrote:
    Do you try to be this funny or is this natural...I have to stop reading your posts, almost spilled my coffee...

    Flashbacks, we talking PTSD or drugs?
    Flash back from the bad policies of the Clinton years. I probably need coffee, I had a friend brought me Kapeng Barako beans from Batangas. I had to come to work, two hour early to catch up. I loved the open road. I don't want to drive my H2 on traffic.
  • Herr_StarrHerr_Starr Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    I was your public servant until I've retired from the military. It's called end of self imposed servitude. So those people who are drawing Social Security are public servant because they were being compensated thru government ie; taxes? I probably won't be able to draw Social Security because it will be bankrupt by the time I reach the age. I had one bitter old man asking me why I've stayed for 20 years military and he said look at me, "I did one tour in 'Nam and never return back and as civilian he makes a ton of money". everyday for 3 years he bugged me for staying in the military. I told him I bought my own house when I was 25 years old, working three jobs to support a family( E-4 pay back then wont let you own a house) and I enjoy working with jets. I found out later that he work for United Airlines and his pension fund went **** up. He's almost retirable age but still have to work his *** off. So much for the false security of Union membership and it's liberal agenda.

    The Unions in the US are weak. United Airlines lost their pensions because of a Court Decision to allow the airline to halt pension payments. In the case of Enron, employees were not allowed to sell their shares even when share prices were in free-fall.

    In Europe, Unions, or Work-Councils have a lot of power. Senior Management needs their approval to downsize. Most Management Decisions have to be vetted by the Council. That's the true power of a Union, not the watered down Unions you have in the US.

    It has its Pros and Cons. It offers stability to the workers, but its not good for corporate competitiveness. The UK is structured more along the lines of the US. It is a capitalist country, most of Western Europe is socialist.

    Social Security is something best left out of the hands of politicians. What a lot of people need to realize is that they are responsible to plan for their own futures. The earlier you start the better. I started funding my own pension plan before I was 30 and I wish I'd started sooner.
  • crazy legscrazy legs Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Social security is FDR’s liberal agenda.

    The best union in the U.S. is the Players Union of Major League Baseball. Millionaires but they still have a union.
  • Herr_StarrHerr_Starr Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    crazy legs wrote:
    Social security is FDR’s liberal agenda.

    The best union in the U.S. is the Players Union of Major League Baseball. Millionaires but they still have a union.

    So do the NBA, NFL and NHL. Not sure which one would be the best, definitely not the Hockey Players Union.
  • crazy legscrazy legs Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    The unions where doing o.k. then the companies got wise and started thinking maybe if they move their factories overseas and such the unions would lose their bargaining chip. In fact we don’t need them anymore. Chinese workers would cost less than 10% or something compared to American workers. Globalization is not good for unions.

    911 devastated the airline industry. Its already suffering before then. So the union has to take the hits too.

    Maybe they can outsource war too so they can have less American casualties.

    That Zarqawi guy, they dropped 2 five hundred pound bombs on him right? How come he still got his face? He should have been liquidsted. 
  • PusaichiPusaichi re-member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    The Polish Military with the US/Iraqi forces that cordoned the scene said Zarqawi was still alive and was being transported by other members of his group on a stretcher when the catch up on them behind the rubbles. They left him behind and after a few moments while he is being aided by some medics he passed away due to his injuries.

    That's the early version that we heard from the airwaves. But I'm sure the media will give more dramatic effects of his passing. :p As usual.
  • Herr_StarrHerr_Starr Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Please cross-post this on the Zarqawi Thread.
  • JoRedJoRed Banned by Admin PExer
    Pusaichi wrote:
    The Polish Military with the US/Iraqi forces that cordoned the scene said Zarqawi was still alive and was being transported by other members of his group on a stretcher when the catch up on them behind the rubbles. They left him behind and after a few moments while he is being aided by some medics he passed away due to his injuries.

    That's the early version that we heard from the airwaves. But I'm sure the media will give more dramatic effects of his passing. :p As usual.

    What else is new? They can't get their stories straight. Have they come up w/ the "official" spin of things? Nice psywar move from Pentagon. The Haditha massacre has been hugging the headlines lately. They desperately needed something BIG to divert the current issue & contained the damage. This is it! :rotflmao: It was kinda funny watching the face of that redneck General when posed w/ the question of how come Zarqawi's physical appearance is quite intact after being hit by two 500 lbs. bombs. He blinked a couple of times before giving an evasive lame answer.:lol:
  • quatrocantosquatrocantos NEOCON REBORN PExer
    crazy legs wrote:
    The unions where doing o.k. then the companies got wise and started thinking maybe if they move their factories overseas and such the unions would lose their bargaining chip. In fact we don’t need them anymore. Chinese workers would cost less than 10% or something compared to American workers. Globalization is not good for unions.

    911 devastated the airline industry. Its already suffering before then. So the union has to take the hits too.

    Maybe they can outsource war too so they can have less American casualties.

    That Zarqawi guy, they dropped 2 five hundred pound bombs on him right? How come he still got his face? He should have been liquidsted. 
    there was a suicide bomber exploded I00 kilos of HE in our compound in Saudi Arabia. It flattens the building where maintenance workers live and haven't cracked our villa because it was built with precast while theirs are made of hollow blocks. If Zarqawi survived that bomb, he will be useless because he will be a vegetable unless he's Rambo. If it's not the explosion that will kill you, you have to worry about the aftershock will damage your internal organs. . .
  • gumacaniangumacanian crock`0`shite PExer
    he will be useless because he will be a vegetable

    At least you and he have something in common after all.
    I would say your aftershock left you more than a little rattled.
    A TURNIP comes to mind.
  • quatrocantosquatrocantos NEOCON REBORN PExer
    Herr_Starr wrote:
    The Unions in the US are weak. United Airlines lost their pensions because of a Court Decision to allow the airline to halt pension payments. In the case of Enron, employees were not allowed to sell their shares even when share prices were in free-fall.

    In Europe, Unions, or Work-Councils have a lot of power. Senior Management needs their approval to downsize. Most Management Decisions have to be vetted by the Council. That's the true power of a Union, not the watered down Unions you have in the US.

    It has its Pros and Cons. It offers stability to the workers, but its not good for corporate competitiveness. The UK is structured more along the lines of the US. It is a capitalist country, most of Western Europe is socialist.

    Social Security is something best left out of the hands of politicians. What a lot of people need to realize is that they are responsible to plan for their own futures. The earlier you start the better. I started funding my own pension plan before I was 30 and I wish I'd started sooner.
    I joined the Union right after I retired from the military and it was one of the biggest union (IUPAT) affiliated with AFL-CIO then I found out that they are diverting our funds for for political contributions with-out representation from us members I decided to quit and work as contract instead. As for social security, I gave up on that one longtime ago. Had a good headstart in investing in real estate California and Nevada. I wish I've done sooner. I also have my TSP started with 15% of my salary. At least if it goes bust, I can blame nobody but me.
  • PusaichiPusaichi re-member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    JoRed wrote:
    What else is new? They can't get their stories straight. Have they come up w/ the "official" spin of things? Nice psywar move from Pentagon. The Haditha massacre has been hugging the headlines lately. They desperately needed something BIG to divert the current issue & contained the damage. This is it! :rotflmao: It was kinda funny watching the face of that redneck General when posed w/ the question of how come Zarqawi's physical appearance is quite intact after being hit by two 500 lbs. bombs. He blinked a couple of times before giving an evasive lame answer.:lol:
    Hehehe, at least you are watching what the US military are doing now.
    The Redneck term should be applied to your group of gangsters and killers also.
  • quatrocantosquatrocantos NEOCON REBORN PExer
    gumacanian wrote:
    At least you and he have something in common after all.
    I would say your aftershock left you more than a little rattled.
    A TURNIP comes to mind.
    Comparing our accomodation to theirs, I think theirs is very inferior. The blast woke me up wondering why it's too bright when I turned the lights off before I went to bed. My door was gone and the window fell down. Aside from that the shrapnel(2x2x1) that hit my computer, everything was fine. I had a 4 bedroom villa by myself suddenly have adopted 20 kababayans because they lost their dwelling. Unfortunately, I had to pull a pinoy plumber who passed away from that bombing. I drove those guys to the where the Phil. Embassy personnel see what assistance they can give, and that's when I realized that OWWA just pay a lip service to our countrymen in the Middle East and won't lend a hand. The American residents and our company donated a substantial amount for the victim and the Phil Embassy claimed the credit for it. I was on my way to Philippines for my vacation when I was reading it on newspapers that the Philippine government officials was patting their own back. The contract to build our villas was designed by American firm with Filipino manpower. That was when Filipinos were considered among the best workers in the middle east.
  • Herr_StarrHerr_Starr Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Latest Reports on Haditha.

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_Marines_Haditha.html
    WASHINGTON D.C. -- The lawyer for a sergeant who led a squad of Marines during an incident that left civilians dead in Haditha, Iraq, says his client insists his unit was following military rules of engagement, did not intentionally target any civilians and did not try to cover up what it had done.

    No one has yet been charged in the Haditha case, which centres on allegations that a small number of Marines from the 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment killed 24 Iraqi civilians -- included unarmed women and children -- on Nov. 19 after a roadside bomb in the town killed one of their fellow Marines.

    Neal A. Puckett told The Washington Post in a story for Sunday's editions that Staff Sgt. Frank D. Wuterich, 26, told him several civilians were killed when his squad pursued insurgents firing at them from inside a house after the bombing.

    He quoted the sergeant as describing to him a house-to-house hunt that went wrong in the midst of a confusing battlefield, but denying any vengeful massacre.

    "It will forever be his position that everything they did that day was following their rules of engagement and to protect the lives of Marines," Mr. Puckett told the newspaper. "He's really upset that people believe that he and his Marines are even capable of intentionally killing innocent civilians."

    The Post characterized Staff Sgt. Wuterich's version of what happened at Haditha as the first public account from a Marine who was on the ground when the shootings occurred, which it said has led to an investigation looking into possible murder charges against a half dozen Marines.

    A separate investigation is examining whether Marines tried to cover up the shootings and whether commanders were negligent in failing to investigate the deaths when they were reported to them.

    Haditha residents have said innocent civilians were executed, including some who begged for their lives before being shot.

    But Mr. Puckett said Staff Sgt. Wuterich told him in initial interviews over nearly 12 hours last week that the shootings were the unfortunate result of a sweep for enemies in a firefight.

    The Post said lawyers for two other Marines involved in the incident say Staff Sgt.Wuterich's account is consistent with what their clients have told them.

    Gary Myers, an attorney for a Marine who was with Staff Sgt. Wuterich that day but not further identified, told the Post the Marines followed standard procedures when clearing houses, using fragmentation grenades and gunshots to respond to a perceived threat.

    "I can confirm that that version of events is consistent with our position on this case," Myers told the Post. "What this case comes down to is: What were the rules of engagement, and were they followed?"

    Kevin B. McDermott, who is representing Capt. Lucas M. McConnell, the company commander who was relieved of duty after the incident, told the Post that Staff Sgt. Wuterich and other Marines informed Capt. McConnell on the day of the incident that at least 15 civilians were killed by "a mixture of small-arms fire and shrapnel as result of grenades" after the Marines responded to an attack from a house.

    The lawyer told the paper Capt. McConnell told him that he had reported the high number of civilian deaths to his superiors that afternoon and that within a few days the battalion's intelligence chief gave a PowerPoint presentation to higher-up Marine commanders.

    "Everywhere up the chain, they had ample access to this thing," Mr. McDermott said.

    Puckett gave this account to the Post, based on his interview with Staff Sgt. Wuterich:

    Immediately after the roadside bomb, Marines noticed a car full of "military-aged men" near the bomb site who ran when ordered to stop. Marines opened fire, killing four or five men.

    The unit subsequently came under fire and a corporal identified the shots as coming from a specific house. A four-man team, including Wuterich, kicked in the door and found a series of empty rooms before hearing people behind one door. They kicked that one in, tossed a fragmentation grenade into the room and one Marine fired a series of rounds through dust and smoke, killing several people.

    Even though they realized they had killed men, women and children, they saw a back door ajar and believed insurgents had moved to a second house. The Marines moved to the second house, kicking in the door, killing one man inside and then using another grenade and more gunfire to clear another room full of people.

    Still having not found the insurgents, Wuterich told his team to stop and headed back to reassess the situation with his platoon leader, realizing that a number of civilians had just been killed.

    Here we have the first published accounts from the Marines present. If chain of command knew about this, why were all the casualties reported as being caused by an IED?
  • JoRedJoRed Banned by Admin PExer
    ^^ Finally, they have coordinated & collaborated their version of events. They have to tie a couple of loose ends before presenting it to the gullible AmeriKan public. But who do they think they're fooling? None other but themselves.

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