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How will you know that something is RIGHT?? or NOT??

like is it pure LOGIC?? or does it have to do with INTUITION?

what is the "correct" method of knowing what is Right or what is Wrong? that will defy any kind of reasoning that attempts to deny what it purports?


just wanna see how you explain yourself. ;)
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  • rickymrickym PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    i'll give this a try

    knowing what's right and what's wrong if one is evolved should come from intuition. all of us inherently know what is right and wrong, because the moment we do something wrong, the consciousness feels bad about itself. for example if you see a burning house, one feels the urge to help. this is not logic, but intuition.

    as a person becomes so called more logical he/she may sometimes deaden the intuition and formulates rights and wrongs to suit himself and in the process, convinces himself through his logic what is right and wrong.

    when one has lost his intuition, he will now attempt to explain rights and wrongs by quoting from texts which he/she will claim as errorless. why because the texts will make him/her feel good about him/herself despite all the callousness he has since he is not anymore intuitive.

    these 'logical' people will defend their stands like lawyers not looking for the truth, but saving their own 'clients' whether the client is guilty or not.

    for me knowing right and wrong is through intuition and not logic. with logic you can always fool yourself that you are correct.
  • err...yesainiyah, since you're looking for something to contrast against "logic", why use the word "intuition"? Wouldn't the term INSTINCT be more appropriate?

    rickym: if we rely solely on what "intuition" whispers, how would a person be able to tell if he isn't simply fooling himself in the first place? is "intuition" really guaranteed to be perfect?

    questions of right-or-wrong are not always so clear-cut as the instinctive urge to save an infant from a burning house. no one will argue that the latter desire is not "right" - but what if the only person with the slimmest hope of reaching the infant in time happens to be the sole breadwinner of a family of 12? would you calmly tell that person to listen to "intuition" and risk life, limb and his family's welfare by jumping inside a collapsing building?

    the question of right-or-wrong has been argued for thousands of years not because people haven't been logical enough; nor does it remain argued because people are too logical. it remains hard to answer simply because it is hard.
  • I suspect the thead starter doesn't know what Logic and Intuition mean.

    yesainiyah, Please define for us what is Logic and Intuition for you.
  • rickymrickym PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    gekokujo said:
    rickym: if we rely solely on what "intuition" whispers, how would a person be able to tell if he isn't simply fooling himself in the first place? is "intuition" really guaranteed to be perfect?

    intuition isn't always perfect. nowadays a person's gut feel may often times be wrong. if you have been in a certain religion all your life. you will have a stronger bias for that religion than for others. the moment man's free will comes into play, errors are bound to occur tainting 'correct intuition' into 'incorrect intuition' for lack of a better term.

    but if the mind would be put to rest. take off all biases, prejudices and even logic, i feel that knowing of right and wrong will arrive. i think this is what the word enlightenment is all about.
  • i've always thought this -

    Right and Wrong is decided upon by society. When times change, things that seemd right eventually become wrong (slavery, women's rights, etc.). I feel that logic and intuition is also greatly influenced by the environment a person grows up in.

    So how do you know what is right from wrong? Find out what the majority thinks.

    (Like the 10 person experiment where the first 9 said Black, when the thing was white, and the last person didnt know if he/she was going to say white or black)

    Now, what is Truth and UnTruth. Ah, that is a totally different topic. :)
  • lightoflife2.gif
    *pexadik*--If you do something and then your concience keeps bothering you afterwards, then you knew,it's not RIGHT,but if after that, you had a good sleep the next evening, then it means,nothing's WRONG.
  • What is right and what is wrong is purely and solely what God and His Prophets tell us to be what is right and what is wrong.

    This is the only pure criteria of rightness and wrongness. There is none else.

    Society cannot dictate us what is right or what is wrong, for then there would be no universality about it.

    Rightness or wrongness entails universality in application, as well as the power and authority to enforce the same.

    It also entails that there would be rewards as well as punishments for those who follow rightness or wrongness.

    So that therefore it is only God and Him alone through His Prophets that we can really know what is right and what is wrong.

    Actually in the Universe there is no such thing as an "evil in itself", meaning the thing by its very nature is evil.

    A thing can only become wrong or evil is when it disobeys or rejects the sovereignty of the will of God and His Word through His Prophets, and here then can humanity proceed to distinguish between wrongness and rightness.

    Neither can we trust our consciences to tell us what is really true wrong and what is really true right. For our consciences can in fact be formed and fashioned according to our customs and habits, and can in fact also be desensitized to wrongness or evil, so that it may decide something good to be of evil, or it may decide something evil or wrong to be right.

    Where then should we go? To science? Partly. To reason and logic? Partly.

    But all in all, if we really want to discern and know true rightness and true wrongness, go to the Holy Bible, for in them can we see fully and plainly the truth of the Word of God to us, telling us where to walk, and where not to walk, and commanding us to follow His Word, and live.
  • I advise you to also read and see rickym's thread below about how can we discern if some powers or influence or something is from the devil or is from God. It would help a lot also in letting us know how to decide what is truly right and what is truly wrong.

    For, as the Lord Jesus Christ Himself says to us, "the Holy Ghost, the Comforter, will tell us all things", whether a thing be right or wrong, and whether a thing be of the devil, and hence evil and wrong, or be of God, and hence good and right.
  • spindoctorspindoctor PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    Originally posted by yesainiyah
    what is the "correct" method of knowing what is Right or what is Wrong? that will defy any kind of reasoning that attempts to deny what it purports?
    There is no "correct" method of knowing right from wrong since our view of it (right or wrong) is anchored on the society we live in. What may be good for Christians may be bad for Muslims and may be of no value to animists.

    For practical purposes, the safest way anyone can go, regardless of religious persuasion (or lack of it), is to follow the Golden Rule: Don't do unto others what you don't want done unto you. But then again, this still has to be qualified because one might be a pervert who enjoys having his stuff stolen, so this rule obviously won't apply to such people.
  • since the issue is about what is "right and not" in contrast to "good and bad/evil" it would be best to view it from a sociological lens. a thing is right when it contributes to the well-being of the society, having a positive net-effect on the standard of living of the persons concerned. in contrast, "not-right" simply means all those effects which have not been previously mentioned, including those with neutral consequences. "right" connotes duty; a concept which sometimes ignores morality in favor of social stability: it is "right" for an army to eliminate all opposition, although it remains a matter of debate whether the act would be classified as good or not. on the other hand, it is "not right" for a soldier to breach the chain of command even if it leads to the victory of his allies, as dictated by protocol. in sum, what is right depends on the rules of convention employed to suit a particular situation in which an act may be imposed on. this also means that an act may be both right and not right when viewed from different angles.
  • off the top of my head..

    smething that can be scientifically verified.. or something that YOU can verify (by touch, smell, etc)... siguro these are the things na mas MADALI sagutin ng TAMA or MALI... sige na, sama na natin math and history... (ie, if something can be mathematically proven or even history can prove)..

    ON THE OTHER HAND...

    kung walang physical evidence or proof or anything na pwede i-verify or check&counter-check, MAHIRAP sagutin ng YES or NO..

    siguro yung mga bagay na tulad ng RELIGION, ARTS or even philosophy (i know a lot would disagree), medyo subjective na. Base na yun sa paniniwala ng isang tao -- at kung hanggang saan siya makikipagpatayan para ipaglaban ang kanyang paniniwala...

    tingin ko, dyan na pumapasok ang INTUITION (and conscience, kung meron man lahat ng tao nun)... base sa turo ng relihiyon na kinagisnan mo, sa society na kinalakihan mo at sa turo at paniniwala ng pamilya mo...

    anyway, di ko alam.. nagmamarunong lang ako... iv'e had much too much beer tonight to think... and i can be too clever by half :) then again, great minds produce great works when they're drunk.. (except, hindi ako yun... HAHAH!!)

    touche :)


    oh.. one more thing... LAHAT ng tao, they're NEVER right... someday, in the not-too-distant-future, lahat ng akala natin na tama ngayon, eh MALI pala... okay?
  • lammo, buti pa magbigay ka ng tanong, at sasgutin nila kung TAMA o MALI... then you'll see where they're coming from... mas masaya yun.
  • non-religious answer: (take note of this, this won't happen often from me ;) )

    there is no right nor wrong beyond that which makes us happy or unhappy, respectively. whether your happiness is something you realize for yourself, or something society dictates upon you, or something your religion or creed bestows upon you, you always have a choice to have that option towards being happy, or to not have any options at all and cause ourselves to be unhappy.
  • Haha! It's amusing and somewhat disturbing how people see right or wrong. Being right is mistakenly equated to being beneficial, advantageous, cute, sweet, pretty, happy, and pleasing. People ought to know that there is absolute basis for what is right or wrong. It is written in the Bible. If you are not a Bible believer or not a believer of any "godly" doctrine, perhaps we can try this: something is right if it is fair and beneficial to all (no one is defrauded), if it is lawful, if it is honest and does not conceal anything that cheats others, if it is a product of sound thinking and demonstrates kindness, mercy and forgiveness to others. Giving "lagay" to Customs men is the norm but it is not right, because it influences the vulnerable man's decision to act honestly and, chances are, it robs the country of revenues; voting FPJ was not right because it was not a product of sound thinking and it insults the Filipinos.
  • freakster2k1freakster2k1 PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Godel's incompleteness theorem, malapit ko na matapos, pero it seems, de matapos tapos.
  • Something is right if it is beneficial, on the other hand something is bad if it causes harm. But not at all cases. You may cause harm to someone like Hitler due to those unconscionable acts he's done - still you're right. Right? All I know is that I know it by heart. Simple. :D:D
  • Originally posted by Xenorinoa
    Something is right if it is beneficial, on the other hand something is bad if it causes harm. But not at all cases. You may cause harm to someone like Hitler due to those unconscionable acts he's done - still you're right. Right? All I know is that I know it by heart. Simple. :D:D

    Right. You not only drive away a colony of killer bees that visited a small village, you'd attempt to annihilate them. You'd swat a scorpion crawling in your babys crib. Perhaps you'd shoot a poisonous viper that invaded your bed as if it's its pit. Or you'd fire a rocket to a t-rex wreaking havoc in ayala center. You harm or kill pests and monsters to eliminate harm and protect people. After wisdom and undersanding comes discernment. It's not too complicated, is it?
  • Krishnamurti said something like, truth is a pathless land/journey.
    This is the reason our intuition is our only real connection to the divine. But this connection brings up a lot of trust issues because it is pathless and logic can be found by hindsight at the very least.
    While on the journey, the topic of faith is sure to arise, right? Faith in what? There could be a god, a leader, a friend, a self... When one is thinking for him/herself, then intuition is all the more activated for there is nobody else to dictate or impose his reasons unto.

    Logic and reason do support us as we move on. We have to see the reasons, the logic, the patterns that have already been made so as not to repeat something, or to improve ourselves. It doesn't mean jumping to conclusions when we have not yet made our decisions based on what we hold dear which may not make sense at the moment.

    What is right? - this is for the individual to discover. A community cannot answer that for the individual, but usually, a community is made of members who agree with the constructs that keep it together.
  • yea, it depends on the norms and culture of the community one belongs in. :D
  • There is no wrong, there is no right. Just perspective and opinion. - Squall Leonhart, Final Fantasy 8.

    Which is true.
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