[Merged] Civic Hatchback Thread

dengoy

hi guys, i'm planning to buy a 1993 honda civic hatchback. any feedbacks would be a great help. and also what are the stock specs? i'd be most likely buying a second hand so i wouldn't know what should i expect or not (because i bet most of it would already be slightly modified). stuff like: is it power steering? power side mirrors? power windows? thanks in advance...

Mokkori

Depending on the exact model, it should have power steering and power windows... there are 2 engine versions as far as I know though, one is the carburated version and the other is fuel injected... IMHO, it'd be best if you got the fuel injected version as there are far more parts for it and the general engine performance is more reliable.

slamm

From what i know, all the local ones got the 1.2L engine with no power windows but some models got power steering me thinks.

Mokkori

I think the 1.2L is the DX version... there was one EG6 hatchback that came out with the same 1.6L engine as the ESi AFAIK... I'm not so sure anymore... but the good thing about the EG6 Hatchback is that I think it's still modular enough to stick in up to B16 sized engines... that'll make it a fantastic ride for sure with the right suspension and brake setups.

shun_sakurai

Yep most likely if the EG Civic hatchback's stock (i.e. untouched), it's going to have the 1.2L "PH12" engine and close-ratio manual transmission. For everyday driving the small engine and the close-ratio box are a good combo.

However a lot of Civic hatchbacks have gotten their innards replaced with either the D16 or B16A engines (both 1.6L) or the D15 unit (1.5L), and mated to the ESi transmission I think.

Here are the power outputs you can expect for each engine.

PH12 - 1.2L single cam, no VTEC
POWER: 72 bhp
TORQUE: ~80 Nm

D15B - 1.5L single cam, VTEC/no VTEC
POWER: 103 bhp (no VTEC) / 113 bhp (VTEC)
TORQUE: 100 Nm (no VTEC) / 115 Nm (VTEC)

D16A - 1.6L single cam, VTEC
POWER: 125-130 bhp
TORQUE: ~115 Nm

B16A - 1.6L twin cam, VTEC
POWER: 160-170 bhp
TORQUE: ~130 Nm

malou_ang2

very knowldegeable shun sakurai!!!

laki pala ng difference ng DOHC

how about the ESI wat is the power rating of the 1.6 liters SOHC engine? PGMFI???

thanks aagain

shun_sakurai

Malou,
The ESi's engine is a derivative of the D16A. In local parlance, because the ESi engine is made locally, it's coded "PH16."

Specs of the PH16 should be similar to the D16A. If I remember correctly:

PH16 = 1.6L single cam, no VTEC, locally manufactured (slightly detuned)
MAX POWER: 125 bhp
MAX TORQUE: ~115 Nm

I should note that traditionally, Honda engines have to be worked a little harder than other engines to deliver their maximum power and torque.

Also, don't pay too much attention to HP figures...it's the torque figure that's more important in daily driving. More of it at less RPM means a more flexible engine.

Torque makes you quick. HP makes you fast.

shun_sakurai

3cylinder...

Yep there's the H22A engine (2.2L DOHC VTEC) from the old BB4 Prelude. It'd be a major headache to fit that into an EG Civic, but it's not impossible.

Besides, not many advise going for an H22A swap because the parts are hellishly hard to find.

If you want an extreme swap you can try to shoehorn a B18C5 (200 bhp 1.8L DOHC VTEC) from the Integra Type R, or a K20A (150-200 bhp 2.0L DOHC i-VTEC) from the CR-V/EP3 Civic Type R.

Better yet you can introduce a "Frankenstein" or "B20VTEC" engine. Get a B20 engine block (from the old CR-V) and slap on the B16A cylinder head (Civic SiR).

Tuning guru Khris Tan managed to wring out 242 WHP from a super-tuned B20VTEC Frankenstein engine last year. And yes, it fit into the silver old EG hatchback he calls "OSANG."

shun_sakurai

Before I forget, there's also the B16B from the very first EK9 Civic Type R.

It's a 1.6L lump, yet it punches out 185 bhp.

That'll fit right into an EG Civic hatchback without any major headaches.

shun_sakurai

10-second run with an H22A? That's glorious

That'll come real close to the 9-second drag Camaro I heard of.

acquiesce

ayus ah..nakakatulo ng laway. hahaha...i own a hatch..stock nga lang lahat. pawis windows, pawis steering, PH12 engine tapos nagpa IHE ako. hehe! medyo mas malakas sa gas pero mas may hatak (kahit pano -- kesa stock talaga). ayun.

what i really like about honda is the efficiency of the engine and the suspension. compared to the 94 lancer that i had before, iba talaga ride eh...pati yung efficiency ng gas sa engine. ewan ko lang ah. medyo di comparable siguro dahil 1.3 yung engine ko dati. pero suspension wise, wala. walang sinabi mitsubishi.

shun_sakurai

Maganda hatak ng PH12 because of the transmission. Close ang gear ratios niyan, to make good use of the power of the small engine.

A friend of mine let me ride in his EG Civic sedan before. PH12 din, manual. I couldn't believe how rapid it accelerated for a 1.2L engined car. It can give some 1.3L cars a good run for their money.

Still if you want more power...D15B swap is perfect for a daily driver It's a 1.5L engine, thrifty on gas and packs a VTEC punch.

wrench

can you guys recommend shops that replaces/swaps yung stock engine ng hatchback? and can you give an estimate kung magkano for the d15 and b16 engines? engine lang ok na? or do i have to replace transmission, exhaust, etc etc?

how about power steering?

tia!

shun_sakurai

D15B swap would set you back PhP40,000.

B16A swap from a donor EF Civic would be around PhP60,000. If it comes from an EK it'll be a bit more expensive.

Just off the top of my head, those should be the ballpark figures. Not sure about the ancillaries though.

E-racing can do a swap for you. They have shops in QC and Las Pinas. I hear they can also add the power steering assembly.

shun_sakurai

If you're doing an engine swap I suggest looking for another transmission.

The stock tranny of the EG hatchback will probably have close-ratio gears, which will necessitate frequent shifting and cut your potential top speed.

wrench

thanks shun_sakurai

my next question is a little off but this is a civic hatchback question thread so here goes

i'm planning to replace my gauge cluster with a reverse indiglo cluster/face but i want to add a tachometer, is this possible? will it be easy to add a tachometer?

thanks in advance

nothinFancy

Sorry. Post deleted.

tinskie

Originally posted by wrench

i'm planning to replace my gauge cluster with a reverse indiglo cluster/face but i want to add a tachometer, is this possible? will it be easy to add a tachometer?

thanks in advance

hmmm. you will replace it with some reverse indiglows? IMHO, i think it'd be better if you get them EG8 guage clusters or if you have money to burn, get the EG6 gauge cluster. Me tach na yun. at least you would not be ridng the Riceboy bandwagon. HTH!

shun_sakurai

Yep, the local ESi Civic sedans should have a rev-counter on their gauge clusters as stock. Try looking for surplus units.

As for indiglo lighting...I'd have no idea eh. Sensya na lang dude.

wrench

my gauge's bulbs are busted, can i just replace the bulbs? do they have an orange-hue bulb or amber? i don't like the yellowish standard bulbs they have.

if putting in indiglos will make my ride a ricemobile then yikes! i'll just forget about it hehehe

another question. without replacing/swapping the hatchback's engine, how can i "add" in some more power? someone told me to replace the air filter, what's your take on this? what else can i replace cept the engine?

and if you're gonna tell me to just buy a more powerful car, i already did. i just want to somehow "mod" my hatchback

thanks

shun_sakurai

I'm assuming you're still running the stock PH12 engine (it's actually 1.3L in size).

You can do basic I/H/E modification (replacement of stock air intake/filter, headers and exhaust) on any engine for better breathing and a bit more power, but don't expect any huge gains as these modifications will only add around 10-15 HP at the wheels (WHP), at the most.

If your EG hatchback is a daily driver, my suggestion for you would be to swap in a D15B engine. Good power at the top end, and rather good fuel economy too. Pair that with a surplus gearbox from an EG Civic LX sedan and you'll be ready to go.

D15Bs have even greater scope for modification should you want more power later on---whether you go for an NA/all-motor or turbo setup.