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Why should/shouldn't we believe in the bible?

Sa mga bible and non-bible believers, why do/don't you believe in that book?


  • The Bible is, where independent study backs it up, historically accurate in many parts; it tells the story of how Judaism and Christianity flourished and spread across the Oikumene.

    That's all I'm willing to give the Bible. It's not a literally true account of the Creation of the Earth, or of the future of mankind. We can't rely on it totally to tell us what is morally right or wrong.

    Up to now, we have people trying to read the future in Revelation; judging different sexual orientations and religions as evil; and proclaiming science to be false and an outdated pre-scientific worldview as an accurate description of the beginning of the world.

    They have the confidence to propound questionable (sometimes stupid) statements, because the bible told them so. Nothing more.

    Remember the God billboards? Here's one that I think people should remember:

    "It's nice to know you're reading the Bible. Now, why don't you read something new for a change? - God"
  • It is so inconsistent, contradictory. A collection of supernatural books gone awry.
  • it so happened that im looking for sources that will differentiate biblical exegesis from hermeneutics. sakto nakita ko ito, eh bigla kong naalala yung PEx,kaya share ko na rin :D

    sourced from : http://www.gospelassemblyfree.com/facts/exegesis.htm

    Exegesis – genres – Hermeneutics

    This is taken from BIBLE STUDY METHODS By Timothy P. Jenney

    Most of the work in understanding a Bible passage is in the first step, exegesis. Once we understand what it meant to the original audience, we are 80% of the way toward understanding what it means to us. The remaining 20%, as well as additional tips on interpreting unusual genres in the Bible, can be found in the course Hermeneutics.

    To exegete:

    (1) Read the text carefully.

    (2) Ask the right questions of the text.

    What is the history behind this text? Who is the author, his audience and their culture?

    What is the literary content of the text?

    The word for the type of literature content is genres. This approach is to explore the customs, religions, cities and countries, clothing, songs and history. Together, these things form a people’s culture.

    Historical context varies from book to book and is related to each book’s time, culture and occasion. That’s where a Bible Dictionary comes in handy. We have to learn whom it was written to, and what was going on around these people at that ancient time in history. The customs and culture are very important.

    (3) We have to be careful to understand the content or original meaning of each word in Scripture. (i.e. what it means in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic.)

    Then the second task of interpretation is Hermeneutics. This should always be the second step. It means to seek the contemporary relevance or application of ancient texts. The reason for this second task, rather than the first, is that the only proper control for modern application is original content of the biblical text.

    Common Mistakes in Bible Study.

    (1) Take everything literally.

    Not only is this incorrect, it’s impossible. No one takes everything in the Bible literally.

    Example: Luke 13:31-32: At that very hour some Pharisees came, and said to him, “Get away from here, for Herod wants to kill you.” And he [Jesus] said to them, “Go and tell that FOX…..”

    This passage says that Jesus called Herod a “fox.” What did Jesus mean? A literal interpretation would mean that Herod was “a red, bushy-tailed animal.” This is not the likely interpretation of Herod who was a human king. Perhaps he meant instead that Herod was “an unusually appealing sensual female” – a “fox,” but Herod referred to elsewhere as a man. In fact, this is probably a metaphor, a figure of speech. Jesus was saying that Herod was “as sly and intelligent as a fox.”

    The real goal of interpretation is not to take everything literally. It is to take literally what God meant literally and to take figuratively what God meant figuratively. The only guide we have to this is what each passage meant to its original audience.

    (2) Assume You Know What It Means

    A second common mistake in interpretation is assuming we know what the text means. Many people only study a scripture when it contains something that is obviously unfamiliar: a name, a place or a word. Yet at least some scriptures that seem obvious and easy to apply are regularly misinterpreted.

    Example: Romans 12:2: Do not be conformed to this world…..

    In times past we were forbidden to go to movies, the fair, carnivals and for us at one time, even the public library because it was of the world. This scripture was used to support this. This scripture is still consistently misinterpreted.

    The word translated world in the passage above is the Greek aionos. It means “age,” not “world.” Paul had just finished describing the two things that caused Israel to miss the Messiah: pride and self-righteousness. He is telling the Church that they must not become like Israel, filled with pride and self-righteousness. In fact, being conformed to Paul’s age meant to be proud and self- righteous, not whether a Christian went to the movies.

    In addition, notice what the passage says the opposite of being conformed to the world is. It is to be transformed by the renewal of your mind. This does not challenge a Christian to “do” anything differently, but to “think” differently. You can clearly see this by reading the entire passage in its literary context. Notice that all of it deals with attitude, not actions, with sins, which afflict the church rather than the world:

    Romans 12:1-4 - Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God--this is your spiritual act of worship. [2] Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will. [3] For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you. [4] Just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function,

    If the meaning of this Scripture is so clear, why do well meaning people continue to misunderstand and misuse it? Because it is so familiar they assume they know what it means and never stop to check. In other words, we can be mistaken about a scripture and never realize it. The only solution to this common problem is to always make exegesis the first step of our Bible reading. It should not just be something we do when we “realize” we do not understand.

    (3) Never Apply It To Oneself
    In some ways, the third common problem is the opposite of both of the previous two. The previous problems have something in common: they are mistakes in interpretation which result from someone being so concerned about the application that they do not exegete properly. Then they wind up confused about God’s will for their lives.

    When this happens often enough, some people will stop applying Scripture to their lives entirely. They may even learn to exegete correctly, but it is never to see what God says to them. It is a sermon for the church, or a paper for a professor or devotional, etc… This is not objectivity, but a disinterested intellectualization, which profits no one and harms many. The products of such studies are dry and lifeless because there is no passion in the, no heart.

    The correct techniques of exegesis you learn must never replace the action of the Holy Spirit upon your life, nor the power of God’s word to change you. Correct technique is an asset to the work of the Spirit, not a substitute for it. As you begin to work intensively with God’s Word, He will begin to work intensively with you.

    peace! :)
  • No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means. ~George Bernard Shaw
  • rickymrickym PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    to play safe i just take everything with a grain of salt.
  • It's all a matter of faith and preference
  • IscharamoochieIscharamoochie PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    because ice cream is best when chilled. :yum: :icecream2:
  • uulitin ko lang tong pinost ko sa ibang thread

    how about the other scriptures written during that time na hindi nakasama sa compilation ng bible, the thomas gospel, matthias gospel, nag hammadi text, dead sea scrolls. Ibig sabihin ba nito na incomplete ang bible?
  • Originally posted by tylerdurden
    uulitin ko lang tong pinost ko sa ibang thread

    how about the other scriptures written during that time na hindi nakasama sa compilation ng bible, the thomas gospel, matthias gospel, nag hammadi text, dead sea scrolls. Ibig sabihin ba nito na incomplete ang bible?

    It is pitiful that they do not even consider including them. But I couldn't blame them because some of them go against popular teachings, thus, they could not insert them. And there are other books mentioned in the bible but not included in it.
      Num 21:14 Wherefore it is said in the
    book of the Wars of Jehovah, Vaheb in Suphah, And the valleys of the Arnon,

    Jos 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, Until the nation had avenged themselves of their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jashar? And the sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

    1Ki 11:41 Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, and all that he did, and his wisdom, are they not written in the book of the acts of Solomon?

    1Ch 29:29 Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the history of Samuel the seer, and in the history of Nathan the prophet, and in the history of Gad the seer...,

  • the existence of other text references doesn't make the Bible incomplete. it would be like saying a thesis is incomplete because it doesn't contain copies of the books from which it quotes or takes information.

    it's really simple: if you're a Christian, then you believe in the Bible properly. if you're not, then you're not morally bound to believe in anything it says. what's so difficult about that?
  • QuentinQuentin PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    some people just complicate their lives needlessly o_O
  • Originally posted by raggster
    the existence of other text references doesn't make the Bible incomplete. it would be like saying a thesis is incomplete because it doesn't contain copies of the books from which it quotes or takes information.

    it's really simple: if you're a Christian, then you believe in the Bible properly. if you're not, then you're not morally bound to believe in anything it says. what's so difficult about that?

    Do you think the bible today is complete? If so, what makes you say so?
  • i think that every Christian doctrine can be found in the Bible, either explicitly or implicitly. so that makes the Bible complete in that sense. if that's what you're asking.
  • I would say that Bible is true. But the questions for those who dont believe is that how did they record all this thing. Is it true we are created in 7 days?? And how is it true that the prophets could speak with God.

    Ang ibang tao nga nman ang dame nilang questions.... saka sa tingin ko mahilig din sa see is to believe. Alam niyo di niyo pa kase cguro nakakaexperience ang near death at hindi niyo pa nakikita yung Creator. Cguro nga hindi maipapaliwanag ng scientific method yan pero I believed that Bible, Koran, and any religious book is true. I also believe that there is also one topic in here. That there is God and want to save us from our sins.
  • Reading the book allows us to draw knowledge..about God...about life...about rulership...about power...about service...about marriage...about children...about Love...and about many other things.

    Knowledge gained through an encounter or experience of The Truth has greater impact than knowledge gained through reading.

    It has been often asked too: Do you believe in God?

    I think the question of all questions is: Do you know God?

    The Good Book would be a good place to start.
  • jazzyjazzy PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    Simple. It has changed million lives. What other book that has made it that far? :)
  • You could say the same thing as any religious book out there - the Bhagavad-Gita, the Koran, to name a few. But why not apply the same standards to the bible as we do those other books?

    Remember, the wide readership of the bible can't be entirely attributed to its compelling style. Remember our own history, that of the Mayans, the Aztecs, the American Indians - Bible readership is mostly a consequence of the sword and disease brought by Christian colonizers.

    The Bible is equally capable of inflicting both evil and good consequences on mankind: see witch trials, discrimination against homosexuals and women, and willful ignorance of the natural world where it conflicts with Scripture.

    "Changed lives"? Of course. Ask the innocents murdered in the spirit of Exodus 22:18.
  • that's right raggster. i agree with him. so if you are a christian, then you should listen to God's words and do not doubt it, but have faith. that will make you a true christian.

    but if you call yourself a christian but doubts the bible, then you're one hipocrite. so if you r a christian or trying hard to be one, try your best to find out the answers only in the bible first before you read something else first.... :)
  • as a christian (though of non-jewish origin), i have faith on the bible says, the deeper meanings that is.... but as a scientist, on the literal interpretations, i'm skeptical.

    the vatican officials are christians ofcourse (duh!), but they're scientists too..... i bet they don't suggest that the earth was created in seven 24 hr.days.
  • how did they choose which text to include and not to include? that's always a question for me.
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