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bakit pakonti ng pakonti ang nanonood ng PBA?

eric21eric21 Banned by Admin PExer
The venues are filled with echos. Because, hardly are the seats filled to capacity.

Inspite of delaying the start of the 2003 All-Filipino Semis by one playing day, for the purpose of "hyping" the same; still the live attenance would pale in comparison to the CRISPA-TOYOTA Reunion match.

That's the miserablle state of the PBA now.

I've been a basketball fan beginning from the MICAA days. Then, and until not so long ago, the games are filled with enough rabid fans to create an amosphere that's filled with anticipation and electricity. But now....

The PBA has done all tricks and resorted to all gimmicks to arouse interest in the games. But all, to no avail.

I think the PBA has missed the point entirely. It's not the "games" that the fans watch. It's the "players".

That's the inherent nature of the game, and that's the culture of the Filipino.

Basketball is the ONLY TEAM SPORT that allows both players and fans to be at arms length and hearing distance. Unlike footbal with such a large playing field, and so is baseball, basketball permits players and fans to converse. Unlike the NFL and MLB where the headgears completely or partially obstructs the face of the players, basketball permits the full display of the players emotion. More so, basketball is the ONLY sport that calls for an "isolation play" to create a scoring or even a winning play.

These inherent characteristics of basketball, complemented by the Filipinos "personality culture" should make the PBA realize, that its the PLAYERS and NOT THE GAMES that the "basketball republic" watches.

We root for the teams of our favorite players. This trait extends to our daily lives. We watch movies of our favorite actors even if reviews say the story line is absurd. We give no regard to party affiliations when we vote during elections. We buy certain products because it is endorsed by one celebrity, even if we know its not worth its price.

So really, ITS THE PLAYERS and NOT THE GAMES.

To watch live an exciting game is a bonus to the price of the ticket. For what we went for really was to see "our player" play.

If only the the PBA can realize that, then and only then could they address the problems of PBA-- Low viewership- both in the venues and TV.

....TO BE CONTINUE (see second reply)
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  • roadwarriorroadwarrior Member PExer
    good points eric...

    so what is it? the fil-ams don't do it for you? the new breed of pba players are not accessible enough?

    im also curious as to why basketball seems to have fallen from grace as the entertainment (and advertising) vehicle of choice.

    was it really just our failures in international competition? it can't be the drug problem because the down-trend came way before that...

    or is it that the players these days are too professional to each other? wala ng totoong rivalries at alitan? wala ng jaworski to inflame passions?

    anyway...as i said...good post...
  • eric21eric21 Banned by Admin PExer
    ....CONTINUATION.

    So what should the PBA do?

    Just look at the history of the PBA. What elements were present when the venues are filled to the rafters and TV viewership were magnets for advertisers.

    At its birth, the PBA was carried on the shoulders of the rivalry of CRISPA- TOYOTA. At their disbandment, players from both teams carried on the torch. Then came the generation of SAMBOY LIM, HECTOR CALMA and ALLAN CAIDIC. Trained under the colors of the national team, they were already popular and with a loyal following before they entered the PBA. A few years after, came the pack led by he likes of PATRIMONIO, LASTIMOSA and CODINERA.

    From 1975 until the early 90s the above players were at the forefront of the PBAs popularity. There must be something among the players of those generation that made them bring in those fans and have us glued on the TV sets.

    My opinion on this is - ALL of them were on the NATIONAL TEAM and have played EXTENSIVELY for the country.

    A CITIZEN follows the NATIONAL TEAM. You cheer and pray for your flag, regardless of your afilliation, dialect you speak and educational attainment. As a player peforms at the international arena WE watched intently. The more they play, we develop a degree of AFFINITY with these players.

    An ATTACHMENT that is STRENGTHENED as we follow their careers.

    CRISPA and TOYOTA were popular even before the rivalry started. For in the 2 year period before the birth of the PBA in 1975, the players with these teams serve the flag. CRISPA had the likes of ADORNADO, RUDY SORIANO, CEZAR, CO and GUIDABEN. TOYOTA boast of JAWORSKI, FERNANDEZ, ARNAIZ, ALBERTO REYNOSO (once voted as the best center in Asia), and ORLY BAUZON a 3-time olympian( or was it 4?).

    Then came the "students of Ron Jacobs". Samboy Lim and co. played for the National Team, under the banner of NCC for many years. We saw them won the JONES CUP, bag the gold at the SEA games, and the ABC titles.

    With EDSA came the end of NCC, but with a basketball genius in JOE LIPA, we assembled a new team showcasing the talents of PATRIMONIO, LASTIMOSA, CAPACIO, MAGSANOC to name a few.

    There were other players who captured our fancy, but those mentioned above were the standard bearers. From 1975 to the 90s.

    Before the birth of the PBA, or before hey entered the PBA WE the fans have made them part of our lives- by virtue of their play for the flag. WE cried with them, both in defeat and victory. WE put their numbers on our own jerseys during intramurals or inter-barangays. WE copy even their hairstyles and fashion sense.

    The basketball republic - both the citizens who are into and NOT into basketball- watched THE NATIONAL TEAM.

    Affinity...attachment...bonding is nurtured from there. The PBA is just another knot in that thread.

    How many among us now have a considerable degree of attachment to the current crop of PBA players. Yes, there was the ASIAD. But then, you don't win the love of that beautiful lady with one act of chivalry.

    Let the PBA players carry the NATIONAL COLORS for EVERY MAJOR COMPETITION. In victory and defeat expect every citizen of the republic to follow them. Once the PUBLIC is captivated expect the seed of that "oneness" with the players to be cultivated. Then we will again follow their lead...and watch the games. may it be in the PBA or in the sandlots.

    For the basketball republic, it's always the players....not the game.
  • eric21eric21 Banned by Admin PExer
    Originally posted by roadwarrior
    good points eric...

    so what is it? the fil-ams don't do it for you? the new breed of pba players are not accessible enough?

    im also curious as to why basketball seems to have fallen from grace as the entertainment (and advertising) vehicle of choice.

    was it really just our failures in international competition? it can't be the drug problem because the down-trend came way before that...

    or is it that the players these days are too professional to each other? wala ng totoong rivalries at alitan? wala ng jaworski to inflame passions?

    anyway...as i said...good post...

    Victory is just a subtitle. In 1974, we didn't win the ASIAD gold..and two generations after, the team coached by Joe LIPA just took home he bronze.

    But we all saw the GALLANT stand of OUR PLAYERS... and that's the key....The PROCESS of following the NATIONAL TEAM and the players who compose it CULTIVATES THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PLAYERS AND FANS.

    Its a PROCESS, not an isolation play- as how the PBA takes the ASIAD.
  • MystMyst The Godfather.. PExer
    singit ko lang

    habang nanonood ako ng last day yata ng quarters may nakita na naman yung mga cheerers ng ginebra kings na nakasuot ng mga jerseys nila,etc(basta sikat yung grupo nun lagi mong nakikita sila every game na nagwawala magcheer sa team nila). then after nung natalo yung gins sa game while the courtside reporters were doing their thing nakita in the background na the usual cheerers stayed behind to watch the coke vs redbull match and guess what? nakita sa tv na hinubad nila yung mga ginebra jerseys nila at nagsuot ng mga coke attire,etc para magsupport sa another san miguel franchise. Hehe, which "confirms" na mga "bayaran" kalimitan yung mga nanood ng mga games ng ginebra.
  • eric21eric21 Banned by Admin PExer
    Originally posted by Myst
    singit ko lang

    habang nanonood ako ng last day yata ng quarters may nakita na naman yung mga cheerers ng ginebra kings na nakasuot ng mga jerseys nila,etc(basta sikat yung grupo nun lagi mong nakikita sila every game na nagwawala magcheer sa team nila). then after nung natalo yung gins sa game while the courtside reporters were doing their thing nakita in the background na the usual cheerers stayed behind to watch the coke vs redbull match and guess what? nakita sa tv na hinubad nila yung mga ginebra jerseys nila at nagsuot ng mga coke attire,etc para magsupport sa another san miguel franchise. Hehe, which "confirms" na mga "bayaran" kalimitan yung mga nanood ng mga games ng ginebra.

    There was a time when Ginebra was the ONLY team that didn't have a band. Lahat ng teams nuon may banda at namimigay ng pamaypay, small flags as props to cheer their teams. Samantala ang Ginebra walang inaasahan kundi ang "barangay".

    Kawawa na naman ang PBA.....
  • el_pogitoel_pogito Member ✭✭
    what's wrong with the pba?

    1- when was the last time we saw a player risk life and limb in every game? when was the last time we ever saw someone play like Samboy Lim?

    2- when are we going to stop putting the Fil-ams & Fil-scams high atop a pedestal and turn a blind eye whenever they cause trouble?

    3- when was the last time the pba had a wave of young, talented homegrown players entering the league (remember patrimonio, paras, codinera, magsanoc et al) and dominating the game?


    --- more to follow
  • bobslackerbobslacker sole ruler PExer
    For me the root of the problem is with the Filipino's style of play, not in the PBA itself.

    Ni walang maka-dunk ng two-handed, puro tomahawk.

    I've just downloaded PBALive 2k3 at tamang-tama yung rating ng mga Filipino players. Puro lay-up ang alam, ambabagal at overweight.

    Kahit dito sa locality bihira ako makakita ng fit na players. Kundi man e ang-lalamya ng laro.

    Kaya kelangan pang mag-import ng FIL-ams.

    I'm not saying that we Filipinos should not develop our own style of play. Sana nga maka-evolve tayo ng something unique pero effective. Yung nakakapanalo ng Asian games.

    For example yung mga Europeans nakuha nila ang essence ng 'shooting touch' mula sa mga Kano, which the latter neglected for dunks and other showy moves. And then US lost the World Basketball tourney which proved na 'astig' at 'crowd-pleasing' ang style ng mga taga NBA pero hindi na ito effective, kasi nawala na yung teamwork.

    Kaso, sa Pinoy case eh wala ng kabuhay-buhay (as in bilang mo sa daliri ang highlight ng isang typical PBA game na pwedeng ilagay sa isang poster), hindi pa effective.

    Ang nakikita kong solution dyan ay isang taong willing na baguhin ang style ng laro ng mga Pinoy. Dati ito rin ang situation ng NBA/US, pero nagbago ng dumating si DR. J. Kelanga nating ng isang matapang na pioneer. Hewan ko lang kung kelan siya darating. O sana 'sila'.

    God save Philippine Basketball na lang.
  • HyperionHyperion sui generis PExer
    Whats wrong with the PBA:

    OVER RATED PLAYERS, mediocre performances + boring play
  • Kaboom!Kaboom! Administrator PExer
    Ok, my two cents worth...

    I think Noli Eala was on the right track when he indentified that the connection between the fan and the players was the problem the PBA had to fix.

    The fans back then had some loyalty to certain teams and players. I didn't watch the PBA because of the basketball, I watched it because I wanted to see Toyota win it against Crispa. I wanted to see Arnaiz, Jaworski, Fernandez and Tuadles beat Co, Cezar, and Guidaben. There was a connection between players and fans and teams.

    Today, the closest thing to what the PBA had is the current Ateneo-LaSalle rivalry. It didn't matter how great the basketball was, it mattered who won in the end. It's not who had the most talent, it's who had to most heart and in the end who was victorious.

    With the influx of Fil-Foreigners (some questionable), the fans have had a difficulty relating and connecting with the teams and players. They have gotten most of the headlines with their performance on and off the court. But they come from a different culture. The regular fan has a hard time relating to the players who behave like who they really are ... foreigners.

    There are no more rivalries and money has taken over the priorities. There are no more instances where rookies like Chito Loyzaga was paid 7,000 pesos a month (even in those days that was low). Players complain about the salary reduction but it's the rest of the league who continue to suffer. The players get paid more than the highest executives of the companies they work for. Financially, it seems that the league and the players have overpriced themselves (Php 200M a year for TV rights?) compared to the actual popularity and interest of people.

    Maybe NBN/IBC and the commissioner's office should start focusing on rivalries and player matchups and instilling loyalty toward specific teams and players and not the league in general. Maybe the PBA should take a step back financially before taking two steps forward. There are many other options nowadays for the regular fan. Watching the PBA has become an afterthought for most.

    Peace.
  • tiffactiffac Manners Maketh Man PExer
    We lost the basic fundamentals of basketball coz we tend to look at the NBA as the pedestal that we should copy.

    Showtime, Highlights... which are all useless really when your trying to win games.

    But not only the PBA is at fault if you look at it in a wieder perspective, in our collage levels and amatuer levels you can see the drop of talent and team play.

    Unless the entire sport body of basketball around the Philippines addresses the situation we will see more fil-shames and fil-scams in our pro-league and say good bye literally to the ASIAD gold forever.
  • rhk111rhk111 Son of Boltok The Rapist PExer
    Captain's Log, Stardate 3477.3

    What's wrong with the PBA? I can give 3 reasons:

    1) Bateer Menky
    2) Wang Zhi Zhi
    3) Yao Ming


    In the old days, the PBA was able to live on the myth that it still had the best players in Asia. We had, after all, the first and only professional league then, and the flashiest players in Asia, so we should have the best players then.

    But, then, the salaries started skyrocketing to ridiculous levels that people began asking, "are they really worth that much?"

    4 All-Star, Professional "Dream Teams" later to the Asian games, and people started having serious doubts. If that wasn't bad enough, here comes the Chinese, with their LEGITIMATE, NBA players.

    In contrast, 25 years of professional basketball league, and we never even saw one local-bred player get anywhere near the NBA draft.


    The days of the PBA relying on it's players to draw in the crowds are over, simply because it's players are on the lower side of the rung when it comes to international standards. That is the hard, bitter fact.

    The solution? Another approach. Instead of a league based on the players, a league then that will be based on the TEAMS. Teams which will have their own home courts, and home crowds. In terms of popularity, this has already been proven before, and I think y'all know what I am talking about ......


    The answer has always been there, right in front of the faces of the PBA Board, they just refused to accept, or even look at it, citing "costs".

    "Costs"? Aw, c'mon. None of the PBA teams are directly earning a profit based on gate and advertising revenues, so what "costs" are we talking about here?

    If the PBA continues to bury it's head in the sand, then it just has to face the consequences of it fading away, like old soldiers ......



    The urine stain on your pants signifies that you are a single-shake man, far too busy for the follow-up jiggle. - (Ace Ventura, Ace Ventura 2)
  • JeffreywJeffreyw Member PExer
    Very, very very slow play...





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  • kidcharlemagnekidcharlemagne no day but today... PExer
    like Kaboom said, what's ailing the PBA is the lack of intense rivalries. the last rivalry of note is between Alaska and Ginebra in the mid- to late-90s.

    another ill is the continued inability of Ginebra to advance to the playoff rounds. Ginebra is the only team that has a nat'l mass base, but fans have been outmigrating dahil hindi nga sila manalo-nalo. where barangay ginebra goes, so shall the league.

    another thing is that marami nang kaagaw sa ating entertainment spending. colegialas, for instance, would rather watch NCAA, UAAP, and PBL games kasi nandun ang mga "crush" nila.

    frankly, the PBA season is way too long. tuloy nagkakaroon ng mga laro na walang kagana-gana because the team is saving its strength and energy for more important opponents down the sked.
  • eric21eric21 Banned by Admin PExer
    Just to emphasize what I meant by "PUBLIC's bonding and affinity with the players..."

    BEFORE...

    With SAMBOY's generation, and later that of PATRIMONIO up to PARAS -
    In their ROOKIE seasons', BEFORE THEIR VERY FIRST PRO GAME, the question on everybody's lips were--

    KAILAN ANG OPENING NG PBA?
    KAILAN ANG FIRST GAME NI (PLAYERS' name)?

    There is ANTICIPATION.

    But NOW...

    Even with the hyped and live TV coverage of the drafting, the PUBLIC's question is---

    SINO-SINO BA ANG MGA MAGLALARO?
    SINO YANG ROOKIE NA YAN?

    As I said, NGAYON.... pumapasok ang players sa PBA na di man lang kilala ng publiko. Wala silang following....

    Isa pa....

    I have been a basketball fan way back from MICAA (1) [Opo may katandaan na po ako.] I can say that nowadays players are collectively taller, bigger, stronger, jumps higher and faster. And objectively speaking, GAMES are as exciting as before. Yet...no one watches!

    Before players standing 6'3" and taller can't run the break. Can't even run- as in "takbo". Pero ngayon napaka-athletic ng mga players. Yet...no one watches!

    The PBA, as a venue to showcase the players' skill, is not enough to capture the PUBLICs attention. The PBA HAS NEVER DEVELOPED A FAN BASE FOR THE TEAMS....if they will look at their own history...the PBA's popularity, the TEAM's popularity hinges on he PLAYERS' popularity.

    A POPULARITY that has been attained PRIOR TO THEIR ENTRY TO THE PBA...with their stint with the NATIONAL TEAM.

    Dahil kung ang naglalaro ay ang NATIONAL TEAM ---LAHAT ay NANONOOD. Doon nagsisimula ang "love affair" ng PUBLIC AT PLAYERS. The HARDCORE PBA fans are always a given. But they alone won't bring in the revenues. To CAPTURE the PUBLIC'S ATTENTION IS THE KEY.

    If they draw their answer from this fact, then the PBA's problem on viewership will be solved.
  • the_BuGsthe_BuGs d ko hilig PExer
    Problema ng PBA... nagsimula nwalan ng Fans at walang ka kwenta kwenta ang PBA nuong early 90's.

    1. Salary - Takot na players ma injured.. lahat la-lamya lamya....
    2. Heart - Halos lahat ng player la ng puso maglaro dahil kumikita na sila eh.
    3. Physical Game - Wala ng bakbakan at tirahan na yun ang gustong gusto ng Pinoy. at wala ng nagpapakamatay sa bola
    4. Play - Halos lahat puro Low Post play.... wala na yung mga nag sisirko at acrobatic shot na duma-drive
    5. Foul Sensitive - Dito tumatagal at naiinis ang fans dahila napaka sensitive tumawag ng foul ang refs.
  • rhk111rhk111 Son of Boltok The Rapist PExer
    Captain's Log, Stardate 3480.0

    I don't think the caliber of players has improved overall, in terms of the level which they should be in. True, individually they have improved, but again, if you compare the level where the players were in the 70's compared to where it should be now, the caliber of the players have STAGNATED, or worst, even REGRESSED.


    Height

    Let me illustrate these by the following observations:

    First observation: Way back in the mid 70's, the best Off Guards or Small Forwards in the league were guys like Jaworski, Co, Hubalde and Adornado. All of these guys were either 6'0 or taller.

    Second observation: In those days, if you were anywhere near 6 feet, you could already play Center or Power Forward in any basketball league.

    And yet, Jawo and company did not end up playing the Front Court, but the Back Court. These were VERY tall Guard-Forwards for their time.


    Fast Forward to 2003. You look around the best backcourt guys in the PBA, and who are these people? Abbarientos? Mendoza? Miller? These guys are under 6 feet.


    If the level of basketball in 2003 was the same as in the mid 70's, we'd have 6'5" Guards right now for our best players. And yet, this is not happening.


    International Standards

    Now, you have to ask yourself, why would guys like Jawo and company insists on playing on the backcourt during their time? The easiest thing to do, would be to ask them outright, of course.

    But, they way I see it, the main reason why they did it, is simple: During their time, Jawo and company's standards have always been the international scene. Our best players then (at least, before the PBA) get to play almost every year in internationational competitions, and for them to believe that they are the best, then they have to live up to the level of play in international competitions.

    Nowadays, our players do not get to have the same motivation or drive. The main standard they get to measure themselves up to is the PBA, not the international competitions. That is why we end up with flashy, athletic but short players compared to international standards.

    True, they get to play in the Asian games nowadays, but 4 years is such a long, long, long time for that drive to excel internationally to sink in. I myself am hard pressed to remember any of the members during the last 2 Asian Games "PBA Dream (ahem) Teams".

    There is no connection, or drive for them to get better. Their main dream is to be in the Primadonna Basketball Association, and once there, they don't aspire for more. It's a lack of ambition, to be known, feared and respected not just in the PBA, but internationally as basketball players.

    They get so comfy with all that money and glamour, they end up as athletes we can't necessarily be proud of even in Asia.



    The urine stain on your pants signifies that you are a single-shake man, far too busy for the follow-up jiggle. - (Ace Ventura, Ace Ventura 2)
  • faaip_de_oiadfaaip_de_oiad PEX GOD PExer
    how can we inject patriotism to players who do not even immerse themselves in the Filipino tradition and pride? Useless. We cant expect anything from them as far as that's concerned.
  • doctor_doomdoctor_doom master of disaster PExer
    WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE PBA?

    Simple lamang ang sagot. Nung kapanahunan ng MICAA at Crispa-Toyota, those were the only games in town. People had no way of comparing the quality of games.

    Ngayon, dahil sa cable at satellite TV, napapanood na ng mga common tao ang NBA at ang European basketball. Nasasanay na ang mga tao sa mga larong de kalidad. Quality games with quality marquee players, mga players in general na may abilidad at mga smart playmaking (and coaching). Naiintindihan na ng mga miron kung paano talaga nilalaro ang tunay na basketball. Tapos manonood sila ng PBA games? Nakow, how can you even compare? Ang excitement na naidudulot ng NBA ay hindi kayang tumbasan ng PBA. Napanood mo si Kobe, si Duncan, si Kidd atbp. Sino sa PBA ang kasing-exciting ng mga ito? Ang mga plays sa PBA masyadong predictable. Mabagal ang daloy ng games. Ang coaching skills ay bilasa na. Ang mga players naman, puro porma lang at walang on-court personality. Si Taulava meron pero hithit muna bago laro. And ang mga local players are not as athletically fit as NBA players. Kulang sa physical conditioning at walang sports psychology. Tapos ang mga uniporme? Nakow, ang baduy! At ano kamo ang mga pangalan ng mga teams? Phone Pals, Realtors, Hotdogs, Beermen? Ngek! At ang mga team logos? Pweee! Walang kalatuy-latoy. Ang Red Bull ginaya pa ang logo ng MetroStars pro soccer team!

    Given a choice of watching NBA or PBA games and players, ano pa ang pipiliin ng mga tao?
  • vp18vp18 Member ✭✭✭
    also today there are much more entertainment sources compared to the past. Now there is more choices in TV, movies, gaming ( consule, computer ) , internet, billiards........
  • eric21eric21 Banned by Admin PExer
    Okay guys...what's wrong has been taken up sensibly...

    Now, suggest solutions. What should be done?

    IMHO, the solution is to let PBA players form EVERY NATIONAL TEAM to every MAJOR competition. Tournaments like the quadrennial ASIAD, and the biennial ABC Championships; with the SEA Games and Jones Cup as tune-up tournaments.

    EVERYBODY watches the NATIONAL TEAM. Not only basketball nuts. It's there that the PUBLIC begins to develop that kind of attachment with individual players.

    Is it by COINCIDENCE that as the PBAs decline began in the mid 90s, so did ALL PIONEERS have retired....that SAMBOYs generation have began new careers. ....the pack that PATRIMONIO led has ceased to be dominant and have one-by-one faded.

    Those generation"S" composed the last NATIONAL TEAMS of note.
    TEAMS that the PUBLIC watched ...followed ...monitored. All that time getting "closer to the players" and with every game the "players ENDEARING themselves to the PUBLIC".

    Call it hindsight on my part. But that's precisely the reason the PBA is in this rut. No one saw it coming. No one realized that AS EVERY NATIONAL PLAYER ENTERS THE LEAGUE THEY BRING WITH THEM A HORDE OF FOLLOWERS. Not just basketball fanatics, but the PUBLIC who saw and admired their service to the flag.

    Now that the problems are here, they resort to gimmicks and what have you. Recently, I saw the halftime recap being done in the vicinity of the dugouts! What's next, put the cameras in the locker rooms as the players put on their jocks? Or while taking showers?

    Innovative backdrops and camera angles will not solve their problems.

    The PBA needs the NATIONAL TEAM... that's their only SAVIOR.
    But no one night stands please....Not just the ASIAD. But for EVERY MAJOR COMPETITION.
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