What if God abandoned you?

aajao

God gave you life. As you grow, you come to know Him better and eventually learned to love Him. He provides the things He knows that will be good for you, He gave you the freedom... the freedom to choose. The choice to follow Him or your own desires. Eventually you fall. He reminds you. You get back to Him. Then you fall again. His love for you never ended. Until you resisted to come back... "the spirit is strong but the flesh is weak..."

Then He abandoned you. Can you see where you are going next?

Mary_Warner

Then I would turn to my brothers and sisiters for help and comfort. for as long as I have them I will never be lonely and confused. As long as I trust them I will never be alone.. never ever

peace

crazyfunk88

But i haven't felt HIM being with me!?!

Ischaramoochie

if He really wants me, by all means possible, his will be done. if he doesen't even if i die trying, it would only be futile.

there is nothing that happens that God does not will, does not have control of, or does not know in advance.

elvis_magnetic

if there is a god and he abandoned me, that would be the saddest scenario, i think life will still be livable but i will certainly feel useless. there will be no point in resisting satan's temptations.

little_witch

Its the same as saying "What if God stopped loving you?"
I don't think its possible because all around me, I feel His presence (and for that matter, love) and if He abandons me, I'd be alone in eternal darkness -- no friends around me, no home, no food, no life, no hope, nothing... empty.. blank...

but that impossible.. thank God.

Yuri_Prime

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Tessaria

How can an omnipresent being not be there?

God is always there, just that sometimes He says no.

And sometimes we refuse to listen.

freakster2k1

hi.

tessaria is it possible for God to say no? the moment he makes a decision; isn't he giving up his freedom; the possibility of outcome?

Tessaria

Originally posted by freakster2k1
hi.

tessaria is it possible for God to say no?

Yes. Because there are times when *your* (our) wishes do not coincide with what's right ("God, please let my coworker get struck by lightning")

freakster2k1

tessaria:

1. i mean is it possible for God to make a decision at all. God is the ultimate freedom. the moment he makes a decision on something, he is limiting his possibility. Freedom is about possibility. Realization of your possibilities. The moment God makes a decision, whether is it on my request to get my co-worker sick or get struck by a lightning, he is already limiting his possibility... thus, he is making himself unfree.

2. However God is omniscient, thus he wont make that logical err. Thus, he cant by virtue of his pure freedom, make any decisions.

3. unless, God is not freedom.

Tessaria

What do you mean by freedom? Are you talking about absolute freedom?

freakster2k1

yup.

Tessaria

Originally posted by freakster2k1
tessaria:

1. i mean is it possible for God to make a decision at all. God is the ultimate freedom. the moment he makes a decision on something, he is limiting his possibility. Freedom is about possibility. Realization of your possibilities. The moment God makes a decision, whether is it on my request to get my co-worker sick or get struck by a lightning, he is already limiting his possibility... thus, he is making himself unfree.

2. However God is omniscient, thus he wont make that logical err. Thus, he cant by virtue of his pure freedom, make any decisions.

3. unless, God is not freedom.

God is the ultimate freedom, what do you mean?

Are you saying that youre open to the notion that God can make evil acts?

Being an omniscient being, He doesnt decide, dont you think? Because a decision implies being caught between two choices that require deliberation. If you think that God would necessarily need to stop and *decide* on something, then youre limiting God's powers now, arent you? So, God is not omnipotent in that sense.

Its not that 'He cant make any decisions'. Its that He doesnt need to. Decisionmaking also implies that He never expected the possibility of the thing happening. And that would leave out God's omniscient quality, doesnt it?

And if God wasnt aware that such occassion happened that required Him to make a decision, then God isnt omnipresent as well, right?

What do you mean by ultimate freedom?

Tessaria

Originally posted by freakster2k1
tessaria:
Freedom is about possibility.

That's where we disagree. I believe freedom is choosing good every time.

The moment God makes a decision, whether is it on my request to get my co-worker sick or get struck by a lightning, he is already limiting his possibility... thus, he is making himself unfree.

Huh?

First of all, if your evil coworker gets sick, its not because you requested it. And if you really had a divine hand at it, its not God who helped you out.

If your evil coworker gets struck by lightning, then its a freak accident. If he gets sick, then he is unwell. If you feel glad that he is, then that's your problem.

freakster2k1

1. you have a strong understanding of freedom. But u said 'God is always there, just that sometimes He says no.'

2. the moment he manifest on his possibility, by saying NO. He is not free anymore.

3. Thus, God cannot by his nature make decisions. Or he cannot choose a path. <-- this does not entail he doesnt know what will happen. He is omniscient. But the moment he manifest a possibility, he is not pure anymore. He left freedom in its purest stAte.

freakster2k1

1. you have a strong understanding of freedom. But u said 'God is always there, just that sometimes He says no.'

2. the moment he manifest on his possibility, by saying NO. He is not free anymore.

3. Thus, God cannot by his nature make decisions. Or he cannot choose a path. <-- this does not entail he doesnt know what will happen. He is omniscient. But the moment he manifest a possibility, he is not pure anymore. He left freedom in its purest stAte.

4. anyways, that is just my opinion on God and freedom.

Tessaria

Originally posted by freakster2k1
1. you have a strong understanding of freedom. But u said 'God is always there, just that sometimes He says no.'

I dont see the conflict.

2. the moment he manifest on his possibility, by saying NO. He is not free anymore.

No, in the layman sense, your 'freedom' (as per your thinking) is limited. Not His.

3. Thus, God cannot by his nature make decisions. Or he cannot choose a path. <-- this does not entail he doesnt know what will happen. He is omniscient. But the moment he manifest a possibility, he is not pure anymore. He left freedom in its purest stAte.

By his omniscient nature, He knows every path. But since we are the ones playing the game, we shape which path happens: Saddam clicks the button and the US blows up into nuclear smithereens. Bin Laden gives up, and Afghanistan wouldnt be leveled to the ground. Imelda takes hemlock, and we'd be spared one more person using spraynet enough for the cast of Cats. Its us who's in the game.

I still dont understand what you mean by freedom.

freakster2k1

1. But by God denying a request. For example I asked God can i have 3 dollars. He denied my request. As u said, it is possible for God to deny a request.

2. By denying my request, God limits his possibility from 2 to 1. From either he accepts or he denies, to he denies!

3. Thus, by making a manifestation of something, he has denied himself of his freedom. I am not referring to everyday language freedom (rights), but of possibility.

4. Thus, I am saying: God due to his absolute freedom is unable to make any decisions. He cannot deny or accept a request. But if we allow this to occur, then it entails he doesnt care about prayerS!

shaoron

Originally posted by aajao
God gave you life. As you grow, you come to know Him better and eventually learned to love Him. He provides the things He knows that will be good for you, He gave you the freedom... the freedom to choose. The choice to follow Him or your own desires. Eventually you fall. He reminds you. You get back to Him. Then you fall again. His love for you never ended. Until you resisted to come back... "the spirit is strong but the flesh is weak..."

Then He abandoned you. Can you see where you are going next?

God will never abandon you. If you think God did, it is you who abandonded him! Do you know the parable of the Prodigal Son!? Think that the father in the parable is God and the prodigal son is us. In the parable, the son left God and spent his money on prostitutes, and drinking wine. And when he was at the lowest of his life, he went back to his father, who say him from afar, WENT to him with joy and happiness. Because his lost son was "dead" (dead because of sin) and came back to life (repented and turned to Christ/God).

Just remember this, for it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- not by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8,9

shaoron

Originally posted by freakster2k1
1. But by God denying a request. For example I asked God can i have 3 dollars. He denied my request. As u said, it is possible for God to deny a request.

2. By denying my request, God limits his possibility from 2 to 1. From either he accepts or he denies, to he denies!

3. Thus, by making a manifestation of something, he has denied himself of his freedom. I am not referring to everyday language freedom (rights), but of possibility.

4. Thus, I am saying: God due to his absolute freedom is unable to make any decisions. He cannot deny or accept a request. But if we allow this to occur, then it entails he doesnt care about prayerS!

Listen, God knows what your heart is thinking, even if you deny it! He knows your real motives, he knows what will happen if something else did (in short, he knows the effect just by looking at the cause). He wants the best for you just like what your biological father wants the best for you. But unlike the latter, He knows everything! So He knows what should and should not be given! Think about it! are you asking because you really need it or just beacuse of your greed!?