Is Religion a Failure?....

prag_prince

The real purpose of religion..in any form..is to spead peace, love, fellowship and goodwill. However look around u today...people are killing each other in the name of religion...people are getting richer using religion as a tool and so on......so is religion a failure?

raven23

No, people are.

rebo

It's not a failure. It was abused.

shaoron

In my opinion, religion is a failure to begin with. why?

Well, religion is something like a big "do's and dont's". It doesn't change anyone, it doesn't change the heart.

Why do you think Christ Jesus came to the world when God has already his "Choosen people", the Jews? Becuz the Jews became prideful. The Jewish teachers and the peagans, who were suppose to serve the Lord by helping the Jews turn away from sin! But instead, they placed a large burden over the people and yet they never lifted a single finger to help (Matthew 23:4). Everything they did was to please man, not God. They love to be at the best seats in the house and be called "rabbi" or "teacher" (Matthew 23:6). They shut the kingdom of God from other. They themselves do not enter it and prevent others from doing so (Matthew23:13).

As a conclusion, the only reason "religion" failed is because it is mostly based on the standards of man.

sexychika

Originally posted by raven23
No, people are.

:noevil:

cheers to that.. i guess some ppl are caught up in thier power..so they abuse it..

freakster2k1

raven23 No, people are.


But can u really seperate the church from its leader? As if a corporation went sour; is the corporation at fault or its leaders? Or is it both? Afterall, church like corporations are persons.

rebo It's not a failure. It was abused

But, it did still faileD?

abuGian

Its a failure. If it's not then God didn't have to save us by the sending of His only begotten Son.

little_witch

No. The purpose of religion per se is to draw us closer to God and become morally upright. However, there are times when people begin to misinterpret even the simplest things about religion. Sometimes, fundamentalists interject unnecessary elements to religion such as anger and hatred. Ergo, religion has been many times abused by man.

freakster2k1

Ergo, religion has been many times abused by man. <-- thus, it failed!

Tessaria

Originally posted by freakster2k1
Ergo, religion has been many times abused by man. <-- thus, it failed!

Di sya logical eh. Man 'abused' religion, then it is not religion's failure that man cannot follow it. It is man's failure.

All this talk about failure, but nobody has defined what the object of religion is.

prag_prince

Originally posted by abuGian
Its a failure. If it's not then God didn't have to save us by the sending of His only begotten Son.

Jesus came here to fullfill the prohecies....On my own opinion...Religion is both a success and a failure..Why?

First...religion is what make this world warmer and safer to live in...ok u will say...how about 9/11...let me expain .....what if those who have the power to destroy the world with there nuke bombs and military power dont believe in a God or a supreme being...they dont have conceince nor pity...Religion what ever its form...teaches man to be tolerant , kind , peace loving, brotherhood and most of all religion teaches man that man is still man...he is just a dot in this universe....Like one commercial say..
Man can survive 10 mins w/o air, 72 hours without food and water...but without HOPE...how long can he survive.....Religion is mans anchor to this troubled sea of life....

And a failure bacuase.....man uses religion to kill one another...uses it to accumalate wealth and that what makes me sick....

God gave u a brain....use it wisely....;)

freakster2k1

prag prince to defend Abugian. You should use your brain too.

u said On my own opinion...Religion is both a success and a failure.

Is this possible? A success and a failure? It seems to me that these words can't co-exist with the conjunction 'and'. It is like saying my chicken is both hen and rooster. You made a logical error before you even start putting your proofs.

Success or failure. It cannot be both. You might say, its neither. Because the question has no truth value. But to say both, is not correct.

Tessaria

1. long time no post.

2. let us use an analogy. The Macapagal administration wanted to alleviate poverty. But the people incharge failed to alleviate poverty then, the people in charge and not the macapagal administration is at fault. The entity macapagal administration is seperated from the people that runs the macapagal administration.

3. Another example: Worldcom is a corporation. It's main purpose is to consolidate and create profits for its shareholders. However, worldcom's executive lied about its balance sheet. Thus, worldcom did not fail. Only the executives that cheated its shareholders.

4. See the prblem ms tessaria? how can u seperate both? I wonder what are the criterias to seperate the Macapagal Administration from its leaders. How can u seperate Worldcom from its executives. how can u seperate the church from its leaders?

little_witch

Originally posted by freakster2k1
Ergo, religion has been many times abused by man. <-- thus, it failed!

No. Its like saying: The priciples of democracy (per se) are intended for the furtherance of the well-being of citizens. But those in power abuse their privileges. Therefore, man destroys democracy, but democracy's principles remain the same. It doesnt mean its a failure. Man's inherent thrist for power has destroyed democracy (and religion for that matter). Same goes for other stuff like LAW, science, life, etc.

another example: say, you have a car. A car was built as a means of transportion to reach man's destinations easier and faster. It was created for man's benefit; for a more comfortable life. If one day you decided to use this car to join an illegal drag racing, and suddenly you met an accident -- you were sent to the hospital afterwards. Do you blame the car? You know very well that you have FULL CONTROL of the car. The car being a material thing was merely intended for your convenience (to bring you to places -- and for your benefit, too!) but obviously you abused the car. So whose fault?

Tessaria is right, let's define the purpose of religion. Here's my opinion...

Originally posted by little_witch
The purpose of religion per se is to draw us closer to God and become morally upright. However, there are times when people begin to misinterpret even the simplest things about religion. Sometimes, fundamentalists interject unnecessary elements to religion such as anger and hatred. Ergo, religion has been many times abused by man.

little_witch

Originally posted by prag_prince
And a failure bacuase.....man uses religion to kill one another...uses it to accumalate wealth and that what makes me sick....

No. Man doesnt use it. Man abuse it. There's a difference.

freakster2k1

ms little witch:

1. With democracy: it is an idea not an actual entity. The church is an actual entity. You can sue a church, but can u sue an idea? Democracy is an abstract thought while the church is not.

2. Again, a car is not an entity. it is not a personhood. you cannot sue the car, but if u modify your vehicle and followed the correct instructions.. then u can blame the break company.

3. I think the main problem of our analogies is the term 'personhood'. The church, governments, companies are all person. But cars and abstracts ideas are not.

little_witch

Originally posted by freakster2k1
ms little witch:

1. With democracy: it is an idea not an actual entity. The church is an actual entity. You can sue a church, but can u sue an idea? Democracy is an abstract thought while the church is not.

2. Again, a car is not an entity. it is not a personhood. you cannot sue the car, but if u modify your vehicle and followed the correct instructions.. then u can blame the break company.

3. I think the main problem of our analogies is the term 'personhood'. The church, governments, companies are all person. But cars and abstracts ideas are not.

hi
okay.. okay... i get your point...... but, doesnt the church adhere to an idea, which is religion. and democracy is related to an entity called the government.. and the car.. again, it was just an analogy, for heaven's sake.

freakster2k1

hi ulit. cant sleep?

1. but adhering/ relationg is not the same as 'is'

2. Thus, although i get ur point that those are kinda related but it is still different.

3. But i clearly see your point. I dont even know if religion actually failed... given that i see my entire family attending it.. and they find peace and satisfaction.. maybe i failed in my pursuit <-- just to put a bit of twist.

little_witch

hehehe.. dude, you're relentless!
just what a woman needs...
o gusto mo lang talaga maka-kontra?
anyway, i guess i'll leave this topic to the other pexers na.
maybe they have more interesting things to say..

freakster2k1

it is not my purpose na mag kontra. I am just bored. and this seems like an ok topic.

Tessaria

Yeah, long time no see sa PEx nga.

I went on lurker mode a couple of weeks ago. ROT fatigue.

Lets see what you have to say.. Ina-absorb ko pa eh

Mary_Warner

Religion is a failure because it failed to bring into realization man's greatest victory which is peace/understanding/love.

Sana for once people would once and for all set religion aside coz it's not religion that would keep us alive but the love, care and compassion that we give and receive from our brothers and sisters regardless of what we believe in. This is the most important thing. PLEASE STOP THE MADNESS there are better things life has to offer than religion. Start Caring for each other rather than creating boundaries by arguing about religion.

Let me leave you with a thought... What if the time comes when you face the creator and HE tells you "Sorry But You Read the Wrong Book." What then would you do????

peace