"Kinauukulan", according to Eli Soriano

DoctorNO

The objective of this thread is to allow the ADD-member PaulDamascus to fully justify his questionable accusations against almost every serious debate opponent he’s ever had in Pex since starting 1 year ago. He is fully convinced of Soriano’s motto that it is perfectly fine say anything against anyone as long as it is the truth or “kinauukulan”. Although that by itself is already questionable I also question how sure they are that their offending words are really applicable because of the following facts:

1. A person may state a lie that which he believes is the truth but that does not make him a liar.
2. A person could make 2 or 3 inappropriate inquiries but that by itself does not necessarily make the person maliciously minded.
3. A bible believer may disagree with the understanding of another bible believer but that does not automatically make one of them “anti-bible” or “kalaban ng biblia”.
4. Only God for sure can tell who amongst us Pexers is a real “anak ng Diablo”.

Originally posted by PaulDamascus

Originally posted by DoctorNO

Lets see what you had to say to almost every opponent you had on just this forum alone:

For

Pyros: "Iyan yang pirasong iyan eh pwede na talagang itapon sa inyong mga anak kayo ng tatay nyong Diablo."

For Akolouthos: "Para kay Akolouthos na sinungaling."

For abuGian: “Ang pastor mo kasi abuGian eh walang kaaway kasi pati mga kampon ng demonyo eh kaibigan ng pastor mo”

For Soosipatros: "Ito talagang Anak ng Diablong si soosipatros."

For jmartyr: “Kaya kaibigang ahmed, huwag kang maniwala diyan kay jmartyr na sumasampalataya siya sa mga salita ng Dios na nasa bibliya, bagkus kalaban iyan ng bibliya”

For raggster: "Tingnan mo yang pagiging malisyoso ng utak mo"

Those are just the people that I remember you insulted and accused...not counting the others na tinamad na akong hanapin. God knows how many others you victimized.

Ganyan ba ang asal Kristiyano? Ganyan ba ang may Banal na Espiritu???

Hindi insulto yun, nauukol lang sa kanila yun.

Thats what you enjoy to believe. Otherwise prove beyond any doubt that:

1. Anak ng diablo sina soosipatros at ang lahat ng INC na kinabibilangan ni Pyros? How could you tell kung sino ang “anak ng diablo”? What did they do to deserve this title?

2. Sinungaling si Akolouthos? The man made dozens of anti-add posts based on what he actually observes from within ADD. Most of these you ignore. Iyung ibang sinasagot mo clearly ikaw din ang mali like the “hymnals with Soriano’s picture”. The others malabo pa ang refute mo. The only lie that I remember coming from the man is his belief that ADD is a monotheistic religion. Because you just finally admitted indirectly that it is not, the man “learned” to accept the fact that is is indeed polytheistic. Now what are the other lies and how do you know that he knows them as lies (making him a liar).

3. jmartyr is kalaban ng biblia? Can you even tell the difference between "kalaban ng biblia" & "kalaban ng katwiran ni Soriano"? biblia nga ipinaglalaban ng tao dun sa muslim eh tapos lalaitin mo na lang ng ganyan. ang kapal ng mukha mo, buti sana kung ikaw yung lumalaban sa muslim. So sige paano naging kalaban yan ng biblia?

4. kampon ng demonyo ang mga kaibigan ng pastor ni abuGian? Kilala mo nga ba ang mga kaibigan ng pastor nya? Paano mo nalamang kampon sila ng demonyo?

5. Malisyoso utak ni raggster? hindi mo lang nagustuhan yung approach ng tao hinusgahan mo na ng buo ang utak nya. sige patunayan mo na malisyoso utak nya.

raggster

and i was still using my defunct Allen Scherazade nick. coolness.

i don't think he can. a lot of the justifications you quote are in direct opposition to what he himself claims as "truth."

for example, he called jmartyr (quite a well-meaning fellow, if i do say so myself) "kalaban ng bibliya." yet it goes directly against #3 in your list.

also, if we are to believe him when he says that soosipatros is the "Anak ng [Diablo]," then he must be God Himself.

how to justify, indeed...

but for myself, i don't mind that he called me that. if he can't understand what i said, even after i painstakingly explained it, then it is no longer my problem.

DoctorNO

Originally posted by PaulDamascus

Anong ganyan, masama ba ang magsalita o isulat ang isang salita na nauukol para sa kinauukulan? Hindi ka na natututo.

Example may mamang amoy tae sa dyip. Ok lang ba sabihin "Mamang amoy tae, pakiabot po ang bayad".

And thats just something that a person is 100% sure about. What about on things that are practically blurry like things that has something to do with the heart, mind & soul? Is it apporpriate to call an average person "t.anga", "bob0", etc.?

jisc

makikisabat lang po, maganda siguro eh isabit nyo nang tanungin yung ibang pexer din na malakas manlait at tumawag ng b0b0 at t.anga sa ibang mga pexer, marami nyan dito, hindi lang si paul d.:D

mac_bolan00

how come he never cared to tangle with me?

sadirmata

may PExer palang anak ng Diyablo? paano nangyari yun?

PaulDamascus

originally posted by DoctorNO
The objective of this thread is to allow the ADD-member PaulDamascus to fully justify his questionable accusations against almost every serious debate opponent he’s ever had in Pex since starting 1 year ago.

Could I justify it with you??? Eh salita ng Panginoong Jesucristo, ayaw mong paniwalaan, justification ko pa kaya? I don’t think so.
Pero kung pikon na pikon ka or offended ka sa akin DoctorNO, pa banned mo na lang yang nick ko na yan dito, and I will never post anything here even in using other nickname.

If the administration of this forum found me guilty of this rule:

Respect other people's beliefs and religion. Avoid making fun of and posting sarcastic remarks that can be construed as a deliberate insult on the other party. Please carry the discussions in a peaceful, mature, and orderly manner.

Then why in all of my 1 year here in PEX I have never received any warning just like what they did to Barakoman and finally banning his nick or his IP address?

If you feel insulted in discussing with me DoctorNO, then it would be better that I leave this forum. Masyado palang manipis ang balat mo.

He is fully convinced of Soriano’s motto that it is perfectly fine say anything against anyone as long as it is the truth or “kinauukulan”.

It’s not just a motto but its biblical:

Pro 25:11 A word

fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver.

And that is questionable to you.

Although that by itself is already questionable I also question how sure they are that their offending words are really applicable because of the following facts:

Is fitly spoken word offending? The bible says its like apples of gold in pictures of silver. Kakaiba talaga ang diwa nitong si DoctorNO kaysa sa diwang itinuturo ng Bibliya.

1. A person may state a lie that which he believes is the truth but that does not make him a liar.

Then by all means defend what you believe is the truth. If a statement of a person was proven that it’s a lie, be man enough to admit that what you have stated is a lie or you just wrongly understand the point where your statement came from. That’s the remedy of it. Para maalis ang title mong liar. But that does not exempt you to be addressed as a liar, for stating a lie. And when you lie, it just fittingly to be addressed as a liar. Ano sasabihin mo sa nagsisinungaling? Pwede mo bang sabihing: “Ang bait bait mo naman brod sa mga pagsisinungaling mo”. That should not be.

2. A person could make 2 or 3 inappropriate inquiries but that by itself does not necessarily make the person maliciously minded.

Hindi ba naman kamalisyosohan na sabihin sayo na “you are taking the Bible for granted” samantalang tunkol nga sa Bibliya ang pinaguusapan. Kung hindi kamalisyosohan iyan sa kanyan disin sana eh tinutulan nya iyan. Eh ni wala siyang kumento diyan, hanggang ilagay mo lang ang thread na ito eh. Di magpahangga ngayon eh malisyoso parin siya.

Ngayon kung hindi siya malisyoso, patunayan niya na when we are discussing about what is written in the holy scripture, we are taking it for granted.

3. A bible believer may disagree with the understanding of another bible believer but that does not automatically make one of them “anti-bible” or “kalaban ng biblia”.

Bakit ba sinabi kong anti Bibliya iyang si soosipatros? Hindi naman dahil sa pagkaunawa lang ah. Ano ba ang dahilan? Hindi ba’t malinaw naman na pinapalitan niya ang nakasulat? Pati nga sinulat ko dito eh wala siyang kahiyahiyang palitan eh. Napatunayan ko naman iyon at wala naman siyang sinabi na di niya pinapalitan ang nakasulat sa Bibliya kasi may ebidensya naman ako. At ganun din naman ang ginawa ni jmartyr na sabihan ang aming mangangaral na nagdaragdag sa salita ng Dios, pero sa katunayan eh siya itong nagdaragdag o nagbabawas. Tinutulan ba niya iyon? Hindi kasi, totoo naman ang sinasabi ko. At iyon ang patunay na ng pagiging anti Bibliya niya. Ngayon ano sasabihin mo sa nagpapalit o nagdaragdag sa nakasulat? Pro bibliya??? Naku naman.

4. Only God for sure can tell who amongst us Pexers is a real “anak ng Diablo”.

An Apostle and a sent preacher of God already identified who are the real “anak ng Diablo” even the Lord Jesus Christ already identified them. Makikita mo na sa kanila ang diwang iyon. Ano ang sabi ni San Pablo sa mga nagpapasama sa daang matuwid ng Panginoon?

GAWA 13 :10 At sinabi, Oh puspos ng lahat ng karayaan at ng lahat ng kasamaan, ikaw na

anak ng Diablo, ikaw na kaaway ng lahat ng katuwiran, hindi ka baga titigil ng pagpapasama sa mga daang matuwid ng Panginoon?

Anak ng Diablo ang tawag sa nagpapasama sa daan matuwid ng Panginoon. Kaya kapag nagtuturo ka ng hindi itinuro ng Panginoong Jesucristo at kasabay nun eh nilalabanan mo pa ang turo niya ang tawag sayo nun eh “Anak ng Demonyo” at ang tatay mo eh yung nasa Juan 8:44 na sinungaling magbuhat pa ng una.

1. Anak ng diablo sina soosipatros at ang lahat ng INC na kinabibilangan ni Pyros? How could you tell kung sino ang “anak ng diablo”? What did they do to deserve this title?

Una pinapalitan ni soosipatros ang mga nakasulat sa Bibliya at pagkatapos ay pinapalitan niya ang sinulat ko.

Ang pinagsasabihan ko namang mga INC ni Manalo na mga sinungaling sa statement ko dun eh yung mga kumukunsinti sa kasinungalingang pinaghabi habi ni Ber Santiago. Na mismo kung napanood mo sa TV eh di na maikaila ang pagsisinungaling. Ngayon kung kumukunsinti ka ng nagsisinungaling ano ka ng Diablo? Hindi ba anak ka ng Diablo na sinungaling din?

2. Sinungaling si Akolouthos?

Oo tingnan mo eto ang isa sa mga katunayan:

Sinabi niya: Intellectual growth is stopped by prohibiting members from reading Christian literature and interacting with other Christian groups.

Totoo ba iyan? If I am prohibited in reading other literatures and interacting with other I should not been here at ang ibat ibang mga kaanib sa samahan na mga kakilala ko. And that a plain lie that akoulouthos displayed in here.

Kaya nga nasabi ko: Maglabas ka naman ng ebidensya mo. KASINUNGALINGAN YAN

Naglabas ba siya ng ebidensya? Hindi. Kaya fitting lang sa kanya na sabihin ko na sinungaling siya.

Iyung ibang sinasagot mo clearly ikaw din ang mali like the “hymnals with Soriano’s picture”.

O ano ang tungkol naman sa himnario na ako ang mali?

Eh may sinagot nga ako sa mga postings nya, pero ano ang sabi niya?

Sabi niya: Mind control is ultimately achieved by total submission to every pronouncement of Eli Soriano. Eto sagot ko: Kapag walang basehan sa Banal na Kasulatan, dapat huwag sundin ng kahit sino. Pero kung ang basehan ay ang mga salita ng Dios mismo, dapat i submit mo ang sarili mo sa kapangyarihan ng Dios.

May itinutol ba? At actually ang dami kong tanong na di niya sinasagot. Marami pa akong sinagot sa kanya pero ano ang sabi niya:

PaulDamascus & logan_1024 I don’t play by your rules. This thread is littered with the exasperated posts of people who have been conned into playing by your rules. This is a whole new ball game. I post what I see inside the ADD. Visitors to this thread read it. They get an idea of the ADD different from your propaganda. If JUST ONE prospective ADD recruit backs out because of what I’ve written, the whole enterprise has paid for itself. Now you will understand why you are totally irrelevant to me. Your utility is limited to serving as foil for my posts. I am very sorry if I have hurt your feelings. If I am inspired,

I’ll throw in an insult occasionally just to ruin your day.

Ayan umaamin iyan ng pang iinsulto, the irony is kampi ka sa kanya. Katibayan iyan na sanay na sanya nga kayong mga magkakampi sa pang iinsulto. At problema nyo yan di ko problema iyan.

Ano gagawin ko, iba palang game ang gusto nya, pang iinsulto pala naman ang gusto niyang laro. Aba eh di ko dapat patulan ang mga taong naglalaro lang at mang iinsulto lang.

The others malabo pa ang refute mo.

Alin ang malabo? Yung mga tanong ko na di niya sinagot?

Now what are the other lies and how do you know that he knows them as lies (making him a liar).

Ayun sa taas o. Maglabas siya ng ebidensya niya na hindi kasinungalingan iyon at dun ko lang aaminin na mali ako na pagsabihan ko siya ng sinungaling at di nauukol sa kanya na sabihan ko siya na sinungaling siya.

3. jmartyr is kalaban ng biblia? Can you even tell the difference between "kalaban ng biblia" & "kalaban ng katwiran ni Soriano"?

Aba, hayag na hayag na kalaban siya ng Bibliya. Bakit? Eto o basahin mo ang sinabi niya:

kasamang ahmed lumalabas na mas pinapaboran ninyo si g. soriano kahit nagdaragdag ito sa salita ng dios. kung hindi ninyo alam, si ginoong soriano ay nagtuturong maraming dios taliwas na taliwas ito sa katuruang monotheismo ng hudyo, kristiano at islam.

Si Bro. Eli ba ang nagturo na marami ang dios? Nagdagdag ba si Bro. Eli sa salita ng Dios? Sino ba ang nangaral na maraming dios? Basa…

Joh 10:34-36 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? (35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; (36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Sino pa ang nagsasabi na marami ang dios?

1Co 8:5 For though

there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

Ngayon paparatangan niya ang kapatid na Eli na nagdaragdag sa salita ng Dios eh mismong mga salita naman at aral ng Dios ang nagsasabing maraming dios. Hindi ba anti bibiliya o laban sa bibliya ang tawag diyan sa tumututol sa sinabi ng Panginoong Jesucristo at ni san Pablo na nakasulat sa bibliya? Di sana patunayan niya na mali ang Panginoong Jesucristo ng sabihin niya na “Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken” at patunayan din niya na mali si San Pablo.

biblia nga ipinaglalaban ng tao dun sa muslim eh tapos lalaitin mo na lang ng ganyan. ang kapal ng mukha mo, buti sana kung ikaw yung lumalaban sa muslim. So sige paano naging kalaban yan ng biblia?

Kung bibliya ang pinaglalaban niya, aba eh disin sana ay di siya katutunghayan deklarasyon na kasinungalingan lamang. Huwag siyang mang aakusa ng kasinungalingan na nagdaragdag ang aming mangangaral sa salita ng Dios. Iyon ay kung bibliya nga ang pinaglalaban niya sa isang muslim na katulad ni ahmed.

Actually ay nakipag usap ako dun kay ahmed. Eh siguro mas matino pa ngang kausap sa inyo yung taong yun eh at nagkaunawaan kami sa tinutukoy niyang talata ng bibliya eh. Ngayon sino ang mas makapal ang mukha sa ating dalawa DoctorNO.

Papanong

4. kampon ng demonyo ang mga kaibigan ng pastor ni abuGian? Kilala mo nga ba ang mga kaibigan ng pastor nya? Paano mo nalamang kampon sila ng demonyo?

Kadiwa niya si soosipatros, at walang kaaway ang pastor niya, dahil kahit demonyo eh kaibigan ng pastor niya. Kasi kung hindi kaibigan ng pastor niya ang mga pastor ng demonyo eh may kaaway ang kanyang pastor at kung may kaaway ang kanyang pastor eh may pagiingatan ang kanyang pastor. Kuha mo na ang katunayan?

5. Malisyoso utak ni raggster? hindi mo lang nagustuhan yung approach ng tao hinusgahan mo na ng buo ang utak nya. sige patunayan mo na malisyoso utak nya.

Iisang tao ba si A_Scherazade at raggster? Ayun sa taas, paki basa na lang.

PaulDamascus

Originally posted by sadirmata
may PExer palang anak ng Diyablo? paano nangyari yun?

Meron, yun sinungaling. Anak ng Diablo yun sang ayon sa Bibliya.

PaulDamascus

Originally posted by jisc
makikisabat lang po, maganda siguro eh isabit nyo nang tanungin yung ibang pexer din na malakas manlait at tumawag ng b0b0 at t.anga sa ibang mga pexer, marami nyan dito, hindi lang si paul d.:D

Hindi ako nanglait ng sinoman dito sa PEX. Ang salita sa kinauukulan sang ayon sa bibliya ay di panglalait.

PaulDamascus

Originally posted by mac_bolan00
how come he never cared to tangle with me?

I hope you are not one them who pervert the word of truth in the bible.

PaulDamascus

Originally posted by DoctorNO
Example may mamang amoy tae sa dyip. Ok lang ba sabihin "Mamang amoy tae, pakiabot po ang bayad".

Kung kaya mong tiisin ang pagiging amoy tae nya, huwag mong sabihan. Para kapag nakasabay mo ulit siya amoy tae ulit, tiisin mo na lang ulit. Bahala ka sa gusto mo.

Originally posted by DoctorNO
And thats just something that a person is 100% sure about. What about on things that are practically blurry like things that has something to do with the heart, mind & soul? Is it apporpriate to call an average person "t.anga", "bob0", etc.?

Di magtanong ka muna. Huwag kang bumanat ng bumanat ng mga haka haka mo lang para di ka malagay sa alanganin.

raggster

yup, i'm also A_Scherazade. i don't think i ever kept it a secret; at the very least, most people who know that "raggster" is my first nick would know that i delved into another nick for a time (shallow reasons, to be sure). by now, i imagine that they've killed that account already out of inactivity.

and as i've said, your failure to acknowledge and understand my point (which, if i may point out, only you didn't get) is your problem and not mine. so don't go and think that i've "accepted" your claim of me being "malisyoso" because you think it's fitting. i'm just letting it slide because i understand that given your mindframe, you can do no better.

DoctorNO

Originally posted by PaulDamascus

Could I justify it with you???

If I could accept the justification of others, why not you?

Originally posted by PaulDamascus

Eh salita ng Panginoong Jesucristo, ayaw mong paniwalaan, justification ko pa kaya? I don’t think so.

Am I an athiest or do I consider myself a christian? You do know what C H R I S T I A N means now do you? Katwiran lang naman ninyo ang pinagdudahan ko eh at hindi naman lahat kinequestion ko, in fact marami nang instances that Ive accepted your explanations. Ive told you this sooooo many times but it appears that its just falling on deaf ears. Mas gusto mo pang paniwalaan ang sarili mong imahinasyon na “ayaw paniwalaan ni DoctorNO ang salita ng Panginoong Jesucristo” kesa sa katotohanan na salita ng Dios ang ipinaglalaban ko.

On the otherhand lets see this the other way around. PaulDamascus, eh mga kamalian mo katulad ng paragraph ko sa itaas at ang mga unproven accusations mo dito hindi mo na matanggap, salita pa kaya ng Panginoong Jesucristo? I don’t think so.

Originally posted by PaulDamascus

Pero kung pikon na pikon ka or offended ka sa akin DoctorNO, pa banned mo na lang yang nick ko na yan dito, and I will never post anything here even in using other nickname.

WHAT, AND LET YOU GO OFF FEELING LIKE A MUSLIM MARTYR? NO WAY JOSE!

And besides, besides the shortcomings I see in you I still consider you a dear friend. Kung magkita tayo ipagkakape kita and I will treat you like a brother.

Originally posted by PaulDamascus

If the administration of this forum found me guilty of this rule:

Respect other people's beliefs and religion. Avoid making fun of and posting sarcastic remarks that can be construed as a deliberate insult on the other party. Please carry the discussions in a peaceful, mature, and orderly manner.

Then why in all of my 1 year here in PEX I have never received any warning just like what they did to Barakoman and finally banning his nick or his IP address?

1. The mods are not omniscient and even Barakoman did not get any warnings until somebody complained.

2. Some pexers you’ve offended (like jmartyr) doesn’t care enough to take you seriously so as to make a complaint.

3. Some people (like me) find you a valuable source of information considering that ADD is a very secretive pinoy religious organization.

4. Some people (probably Pyros) enjoy duking out words and insults with you.

5. Some pexers (like abuGian. & me??? ) are very tolerant, controlled & considerate that they don’t take your insults personally. Maybe they tend to understand your situation instead and try to help you.

6. You just mainly stick with the thread you started or with the thread appropriated to your religion.

Originally posted by PaulDamascus


If you feel insulted in discussing with me DoctorNO, then it would be better that I leave this forum. Masyado palang manipis ang balat mo.

Honestly I don’t take your insults personally. I was just trying to help you. And besides how could we make a profitable discussion if we would make ad hominems, accusations and other stuff like pagkaangkin (like “kasama namin ang Panginoong Hesucristo”, etc.). How would you learn if you keep insisting na laging mga opponents mo hindi “nakakaunawa”?

Although minsan nakakagulat ang mga post mo kaya “gulat” din ang reaksyon ko. So please just excuse me.






Im not finished...

DoctorNO

Originally posted by PaulDamascus

It’s not just a motto but its biblical:

Pro 25:11 A word

fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver.

And that is questionable to you.

Is fitly spoken word offending? The bible says its like apples of gold in pictures of silver. Kakaiba talaga ang diwa nitong si DoctorNO kaysa sa diwang itinuturo ng Bibliya.

HOLY COW! IS THAT ALL THE VERSE YOU CAN POST TO JUSTIFY YOUR BAD MOUTHING?

Ang sabi dyan “fitly spoken”, hindi “truthfully spoken” or “frankly spoken”. And what did the bible meant by the word “fitly”? Lets check out the hebrew word and definition. Basa…

!pa from an unused root meaning to revolve
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry 'ophen

Definition:
1. circumstance, condition, timely

King James Word Usage - Total: fitly 1

O DI KITA MO NA! Ang salitA dapat nasa circumstance, condition & timely. Now is there any excusable circumstance for you to humiliate a fellow human being by name calling him with things “that you think” is appropriate for him??? Is this public forum the right time & condition for you to state those demeaning words??? Didn’t your moma or ADD bible study guide ever taught you to give “constructive criticism” in private??? If you didn’t learn this at home or in church THEN LET US HELP YOU!

Kaya nga sinabi ng biblia na “like apples of gold in pictures of silver” para ilarawan na maganda ang sinabi (apples of gold) sa tamang paraan at lugar (pictures of silver). Ngayong miski masakit ang salita basta ginamit mo as “constructive criticism” nagiging apples of gold na iyun.

Originally posted by PaulDamascus

Matthew 5 Read This Chapter 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to

his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Were they my brothers in Christ? These are my brothers in Christ as my Lord Jesus Christ said:

Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is

my brother, and sister, and mother.

Do you do the will of the Father? Hindi nga eh, ang katunayan kalooban ng imbentong dios ang sinusunod ninyo.

I think you are mixing and matching inappropriate verses here. Sabi sa 5:22 kapatid mo (his). Sabi sa 12:50 kapatid ni Kristo (my).

Anyway do you seriously consider that 5:22 is limited among believers only??? Ganyan ba kaya mabilis ang dila ninyong pagsabihan ng T.ANGA, TARANTAD0, B0B0, GAG0, etc. ang mga hindi ninyo kakampi??? What makes you think na limited lang iyan sa “brothers in faith”?







Im not finished...

Nanashi

Attention to the mod...

I think this forum is not appropriate for the REALMS OF THOUGHT forum.. This an act of ruining ones member in focus (flaming). It will lead to personal fight and unwanted issues that should be focus in a more productive forum.. This is an act of desperation.

I suggest to closed this one.... Don't make personal war...

Kumbaga.. "Trabaho lang at pananmpalataya lang"

Tessaria

Ditto.

Wow. Since I never wandered into that thread, I never thought the backstabbing and ad hominems went so far

ralph00

Leave the moderating to the moderator. If what he posts is clearly overboard, just ignore the post and let the moderator handle him.

Ischaramoochie

PaulD, DocNo, et. al.,

I think that the main objective of this thread is to make each and evryone realize that ad hominem is the worst thing that a person could so in an intellectual discussion, especially in a place like the realm. True, a term may or may not be applicable to a certain person such as the *****, B0B0, [email protected], ang the like. However, this does in now way prove the claim of anyone concerned, and has nothing to do with the discussion. We need not insult or "be frank (PC term)" about somebody to prove our point or assert our opinion. Neither do we have to make use of statements appealing to inner convictions. My advice is that whatever is unnecessary in a conversation must be indeed left out. It not only clouds the main point of a discussion, but also diverts attention to other irrelevant details. After all, "being frank" on a person does not in any way prove whether his claim is indeed true or false.

let us be civilized in our discussions, lest we further plunge ourselves into embarrasing situations, though unrecognizable to the untrained novice, is frightfully glaring to the well-informed scholarly mind.

sadirmata

Originally posted by PaulDamascus


Meron, yun sinungaling. Anak ng Diablo yun sang ayon sa Bibliya.

may tao ba na di nagsinungaling o di magsisinungaling? lahat ba sila anak ng diyablo? pag yung so-called white lie anak pa rin ba ng diyablo?

PaulDamascus

To All specially to my friend DoctorNO,

I hope this will clear all this things. I apologize to all those things that I have written in here that cause you to feel insulted, degraded, or offended. That may not be my purpose, but in any other way, youve feel that way.

These are my answers to DoctorNO:

O DI KITA MO NA! Ang salitA dapat nasa circumstance, condition & timely.

Hindi ba according to circumstance, condition and timely ang salitang sinulat ko?

Now is there any excusable circumstance for you to humiliate a fellow human being by name calling him with things “that you think” is appropriate for him???

No, there is no excuse for me or any other to humiliate a fellow human being.

Is name calling humiliating to you my dear friend DoctorNO? If that is so, don’t do that. Then in anyway pare, wala kang karapatan sa lahat ng mga pinagagawa mong ito sa akin na directed personally.

If you do this things because I have hurt your feelings, then by all means I do apologize for those words that I have written in this forum addressed to you.

Is this public forum the right time & condition for you to state those demeaning words???

Is this the forum that you think every criticism that you can think of should be hurled concentrated on me?

Ako pare, whenever we discuss or whenever I discussed to anyone, I would admit that I personally attacked ones belief if I think it’s a katangahan, kabobohan, or kasinungalingan according to what I directly understand that is being shown in what I consider a sacred book (the holy bible). But I never think to do this (concentrated criticism) to you which you consider as a friend, isang malaking kapaimbabawan lang iyan.

Didn’t your moma or ADD bible study guide ever taught you to give “constructive criticism” in private???

Were you my friend? Pare most of the time magkalaban ang pananampalataya na pinagtatalunan natin, and it is already public, can you afford then to go on a private criticism? What my current faith today that thought me is what Pro. 25:11 says. Besides everyone that I have discussed with in PEX were also criticizing my faith. Why then would you want me to criticize in private while they are hurling criticism against my faith in public.

If you didn’t learn this at home or in church THEN LET US HELP YOU!

Were you really helping me? Or you just did this dahil pikon na pikon ka na at di ka maka advance sa kalokohang sinasampalatayanan mo. Pare sorry again kaya lang I really think that it is really a kalokohan to believe in the Trinity Doctrine that you now believe and defend. Let us go back there, continue discussing, and point out what is wrong according to the teachings of God in the Bible and answer my question which you just left unanswered.

Kaya nga sinabi ng biblia na “like apples of gold in pictures of silver” para ilarawan na maganda ang sinabi (apples of gold) sa tamang paraan at lugar (pictures of silver). Ngayong miski masakit ang salita basta ginamit mo as “constructive criticism” nagiging apples of gold na iyun.

Oo nagiging maganda kung fitting nga o nauukol. Kaya lang meron talagang titiningin duon na mali o masama iyun though ang intention mo is constructive.

I think you are mixing and matching inappropriate verses here. Sabi sa 5:22 kapatid mo (his). Sabi sa 12:50 kapatid ni Kristo (my).

Anyway do you seriously consider that 5:22 is limited among believers only???

Ang mga kapatid sa Espiritu ng isang Kristyano ay yung mga kapatid ng Panginoong Jesucristo.

Ganyan ba kaya mabilis ang dila ninyong pagsabihan ng T.ANGA, TARANTAD0, B0B0, GAG0, etc. ang mga hindi ninyo kakampi???

Kapag talagang katangahan, kabobohan, at kagaguhan ang sinusulat at ipinahahayag, abay di dapat mong pagsabihan. Ako pare sabihan mo ako niyan kung katangan, kabobohan, at kagaguhan talaga ang sinulat ko, di ako tututol sayo. I will just point out o sasagutin ko lang ang yung pinapaliwanag mo.

What makes you think na limited lang iyan sa “brothers in faith”?

Ano ba sabi ng Panginoong Jesucristo? “whosoever shall do the will of my Father”, meron bang gumagawa sa kalooban ng Ama na iba ang pananampalataya o imbento ang aral?

If I could accept the justification of others, why not you?

Have you??? Di basahin mo ang mga sinusulat ko dito.

Am I an athiest or do I consider myself a christian? You do know what C H R I S T I A N means now do you?

Kaya nga eh, nagtataka nga ako eh at di mo tinatanggap ang mga salita ng Panginoong Jesucristo eh. Ano ano yun, I have cited them in our discussions pero ano ginawa mo? Binigyan mo man lang ba ng support of explanations? Mas mabilis mo pa ngang ginawa ng thread na ito kaysa i paliwanag ang mga iyon eh.

Sige I will give you another try. Ipaliwanag mo ang mga ito sang ayon sa diwa ng banal na kasulatan. Pls support your claim with the verses of the bible. Ok? Is that acceptable to you? Konti lang naman ito eh at di ganun kadami and I think it’s just fair lang naman kasi ako sinagot ko ng isa isa ang 27 assignements mo at yung mga response mo dun.

Sino ang Pinakilalang isang Dios ng Panginoong Jesucristo na nakasulat sa Bibliya? Basa…

Joh 17:1-3 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: (2) As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. (3) And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Bakit diyan ang Ama ang pinakikilala ng Panginoong Jesucristo na “only true God”, samantalang sa inyo eh ang tatlong persona sa iisang Dios ang sinasampalatayanan nyo.

Sino ang pinapakilala ni San Pablo na isang Dios?

1Co 8:6 But

to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Sa inyo pare isinama ninyo ang Panginoong Jesucristo sa tatlong persona na iisang Dios pero si San Pablo isinama niya sa mga kumikilala sa Ama bilang isang Dios. Ano ang katunayan na kumikilala ang Panginoong Jesucristo sa Ama na kanyang Dios? BAsa…

Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto

my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Ngayon, pare ipaliwanag mo sana iyan na hindi tumataliwas o sumasalangsang na kung bakit ang ipapakilala pa ng Panginoong Jesucristo na isang Dios na totoo ay ang Ama at hindi ang tatlong persona sa iisang Dios kung saan siya ay kasama. Ganun din naman ang Apostol na si San Pablo, bakit ba naman lolokohin pa niya at lilituhin ang mga sasampalataya sa panahong ito samantalang ang gusto niya palang ipangaral eh ang tatlong persona sa iisang Dios samantalang ang pinagdadaldal niya na aral eh ang isang Dios ay ang Ama. Paliwanag mo sana iyan, kahit dito sa thread na ito o kung saan mang thread.

Katwiran lang naman ninyo ang pinagdudahan ko eh at hindi naman lahat kinequestion ko, in fact marami nang instances that Ive accepted your explanations.

Then let us go on with our katwiranan.

Ive told you this sooooo many times but it appears that its just falling on deaf ears.

Alin?

Mas gusto mo pang paniwalaan ang sarili mong imahinasyon na “ayaw paniwalaan ni DoctorNO ang salita ng Panginoong Jesucristo” kesa sa katotohanan na salita ng Dios ang ipinaglalaban ko.

Pare wala ba akong basis sa sinabi kong iyan? Umpisahan mo ng ipaliwanag yung nasa itaas.

WHAT, AND LET YOU GO OFF FEELING LIKE A MUSLIM MARTYR? NO WAY JOSE!

And besides, besides the shortcomings I see in you I still consider you a dear friend. Kung magkita tayo ipagkakape kita and I will treat you like a brother.

Were you not alsa have shortcomings? You can do this to whom you consider a dear friend? I think we could be friend in personal, pero sa katwiran sana sa awa at tulong ng Dios eh magkasundo din tayo.

1. The mods are not omniscient and even Barakoman did not get any warnings until somebody complained.

Then complain.

2. Some pexers you’ve offended (like jmartyr) doesn’t care enough to take you seriously so as to make a complaint.

Is he was offended? Why he did not complained? Or the real reason is that he think his posting were offending also. We cannot in any case avoid offending somebody specially whenever we are attacking their beliefs, tandaan mo iyan.

3. Some people (like me) find you a valuable source of information considering that ADD is a very secretive pinoy religious organization.

Were not, kaya nga kami nandito at sa ibat ibang forum eh, if were secretive sana dina kami naglagay ng itanong mo kay soriano at di na kami naglagay ng ADD program. Ngayon nga eh were 24/6 in internet broadcast eh. Mali ka na naman diyan sa alegasyon mong iyan.

4. Some people (probably Pyros) enjoy duking out words and insults with you.

Ganun? They enjoy it? I don’t.

5. Some pexers (like abuGian. & me??? ) are very tolerant, controlled & considerate that they don’t take your insults personally. Maybe they tend to understand your situation instead and try to help you.

Ow realllllllllllly……kapaimbabawan. If you were tolerant you will not do this. You will just stick to our discussions. Is abuGian tolerant, then by all means dapat he continue his debate with jaliam.

6. You just mainly stick with the thread you started or with the thread appropriated to your religion.

O di mas madali nga nilang ma moderate.

Honestly I don’t take your insults personally. I was just trying to help you. And besides how could we make a profitable discussion if we would make ad hominems, accusations and other stuff like pagkaangkin (like “kasama namin ang Panginoong Hesucristo”, etc.).

Pare ad hominem pala sayo yung ilalagay ko na kasama naming ang Panginoong Jesucristo? I am pointing out a verse sayo nun ah. At hindi ba naman inangkin din iyan ng mga Apostol? Di angkinin mo din. Eh bakit di mo maangkin? Kasi sasalungat sa Doktrinang sinasampalayanan mo?

How would you learn if you keep insisting na laging mga opponents mo hindi “nakakaunawa”?

Then prove na nakakaunawa ka, that is you remedy of that when your opponent said that you did not understand the topic that you are discussing.

Although minsan nakakagulat ang mga post mo kaya “gulat” din ang reaksyon ko. So please just excuse me.

Can you please elaborate on that nakakagulat?

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Originally posted by PaulDamascus


I hope you are not one them who pervert the word of truth in the bible.

oh, i have little to do with any kind of bible. and i don't give a rat's _ss about your god or your jesus.