Any Trekkies out there?

[SIOPAO MAN]

There was a sequel to "Imzadi"?

[butterfix]

There was a sequel to "Imzadi"?

The novel? yes. Triangle between Troi, Riker and Worf. And I'm sorry, but Troi and Worf? Eww.
What was the first novel about about?

[Critter]

hi all, first time in this thread. aba, marami-rami din palang trekkers dito. (parang ayoko yung term na trekkie eh, sensya na...)

short post lang for now. i'm lucky na i have a brother in the US who for years, taped every episode of TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise (haven't finished pa nga lang... tagal bago nya mapadala eh) for me, kaya i've been able to compare these series na.

for me what i look at in judging what the best series is, is the writing, plus character development. in this regard, the best talaga for me is TNG, wala nang tatalo. i just love the ethical dilemmas, the moral plays and all that. i love all the characters. TNG dealt with very human issues in a very elegant, uplifting way. a few of my favorite episodes: Darmok, Best of Both Worlds, Family, Inner Light (aah i'm getting teary-eyed just remembering these), The Measure of a Man, Lower Decks, Elementary, My Dear Data, Ship in a Bottle, Yesterday's Enterprise, The Offspring, Hollow Pursuits, The Drumhead, All Good Things... *notices her post is getting long*

*ahem* hehe... sorry ha, i got a little carried away yata.

anyway, very close to TNG is DS9, since the writers of TNG eventually moved on to DS9. i didn't like DS9 din at the start, but when i saw Duet towards the end of the first season i was hooked. buti na lang i persevered! i loved the grit and the darkness. i especially cannot forget In the Pale Moonlight where sisko allowed that evidence be fabricated to convince the romulans to forge an alliance with the federation in the dominion wars. Far Beyond the Stars is also very very well written.

i had high hopes for Voyager, but sadly, the writing wasn't as good. umalis na yata by that time sina rene echevarria, and the fantastic moore and braga team wasn't on board (nag-away away nga ba sila o ano, i don't know na what happened) ang konti ng mga memorable episodes from Voyager. *sigh* i don't know what it is, pero there was a pattern to the writing: they'd have a good premise, and somehow somewhere, they would botch it, kaya i'd end up very frustrated. that was how it was for the rest of the series run, unfortunately. i can distinctly remember 2 episodes that were really so so bad: the one with amelia earheart (floating truck in outerspace? hik hik hik) and the one where paris and the captain devolve into slugs mwahahahaha! (i don't even remember the titles). the few episodes which i thought were quite good tended to be eps which centered on the doctor: Author, Author; Critical Care; and what was that one where the doctor was activated by these people and it turns out all the Voyager members were dead and long gone na pala, that was very good - i remember i had one small gripe about it lang, can't remember what exactly... i don't remember the others na. i loved the doctor. i also had high hopes for chakotay but they wasted him. *sigh*

Enterprise naman is very different. noong una nakakapanibago talaga, i was a little turned off by how mainstream they went (a song for opening credits? kahit pa sya si russell watson, it was a bit jarring at first...; and why is archer either naked or wearing super tight pants in every other episode?). it's fun to watch, i'll give it that. i haven't seen all the eps yet, but it seems they got a little serious in season 4.

ooops... hindi na ata short post ito. hehehe

it was kinda difficult for the writers from DS9 to transfer to Voyager since there was a huge overlap for both series (re: Voyager premiered during DS9's 3rd Season). this was unlike DS9 whose premiere was on TNG's last season.

i still think the writing and characterization in DS9 was better than TNG. they've got their moral dilemma eps in there (one that comes to mind immediately was "in the pale moonlight" where sisko was contemplating the lengths he went to just to get the Romulans into the war against the Dominion). plus the fact that DS9 managed to pull off a "merger" with a TOS ep (Trouble with Tribbles) via their 30th anniversary show, "Trials and Tribble-ations".

i credit Voyager with the funniest humor-type shows though. Robert Picardo was excellent as the EMH. Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy is an absolute classic! and the ending of Renaissance Man was absolutely hilarious! (i get teary eyed from laughter by just remembering the Doctor's "death" scene in that ep) ...

[imogen_ph]

there is an Imzadi 2? hmm. the first one was troi and riker lang, butterfix.

Critter, in a sense DS9 was a better environment to write for, since the atmosphere allowed for darker and more "realistic" themes. with TNG kasi they were confined to roddenberry's vision of a more optimistic universe. no one could have dreamed of doing anything like In The Pale Moonlight in TNG. when i saw that ep, after the final scene, i sat flabbergasted (huh? he did THAT? this is star trek???), and i actually whooped! grabe, ang galeng. Trials and Tribble-ations was so cute, dax having a crush on spock? hee hee, that's easy to imagine.

voyager naman, my problem with it lang, they were funny even when they didn't intend to be. ehehehe. how i wish they would come out with a dvd featuring the best eps of the doctor/EMH (yeah, as if they'd do that, huh). there's a dvd naman for piccard, ah. weird nga lang, iba ang laman ng US sa UK version.

speaking of piccard, i love piccard! *sigh*

[Critter]

there is an Imzadi 2? hmm. the first one was troi and riker lang, butterfix.

Critter, in a sense DS9 was a better environment to write for, since the atmosphere allowed for darker and more "realistic" themes. with TNG kasi they were confined to roddenberry's vision of a more optimistic universe. no one could have dreamed of doing anything like In The Pale Moonlight in TNG. when i saw that ep, after the final scene, i sat flabbergasted (huh? he did THAT? this is star trek???), and i actually whooped! grabe, ang galeng. Trials and Tribble-ations was so cute, dax having a crush on spock? hee hee, that's easy to imagine.

voyager naman, my problem with it lang, they were funny even when they didn't intend to be. ehehehe. how i wish they would come out with a dvd featuring the best eps of the doctor/EMH (yeah, as if they'd do that, huh). there's a dvd naman for piccard, ah. weird nga lang, iba ang laman ng US sa UK version.

speaking of piccard, i love piccard! *sigh*

DS9 was indeed a better environment to write for compared to TNG. i thought that VOY was an even better environment for those moral dilemmas but unfortunately, they didn't capitalize on this much. there were a few and several of them were committed by someone else (re:Equinox). DS9 surely had its share of critiques regarding veering away from "Roddenberryhood". i thought that TNG storylines were simply too "noble" (re:Picard or Riker to the rescue) and as you said, optimistic. we already get a lot of that in several shows and movies. as such, it (TNG) was getting boring towards the last few seasons. it was the opposite for DS9. the conflicts were "closer to home" and it showed how fallible a person is.

Janeway, on the other hand, was a perfect female Picard. also one who held on to the ideals of Starfleet. i must say that if Janeway or Picard were commanding DS9, the Dominion would have taken over the Alpha quadrant early on. but not to take away anything from any of them, the 3 captains do have their own share of history: Picard being in command of the flagship of the Federation and having faced the Borg first and survived the encounter. Sisko virtually winning the Dominion War for the Federation (in alliance with the Klingons and Romulans), and finally Janeway for surviving 7 years in the Delta quadrant, fought the Borg numerous times (and winning virtually every encounter), brought her crew home along with a lot of new technology.

as for you finding Dax cute for having a crush on Spock, well i wasn't surprised about it since after all, she did have a crush on Morn ...

[SIOPAO MAN]

On DS9 I wish they could have explored more the potential romance between Garak and Gul Dukat's daughter, whose name escapes me at this moment. There was definitely an attraction there, I believe she was attracted to him because he was this mysterious older man who may have been some kind of high level spy. Proving once and for all that even in other galaxies, chicks dig the bad boys

[Critter]

On DS9 I wish they could have explored more the potential romance between Garak and Gul Dukat's daughter, whose name escapes me at this moment. There was definitely an attraction there, I believe she was attracted to him because he was this mysterious older man who may have been some kind of high level spy. Proving once and for all that even in other galaxies, chicks dig the bad boys

that was Tora Ziyal (or just Ziyal since she had a Bajoran name where the first name is the surname much like Chinese names) ... heh heh, she was played by 3 different actors ... too bad, i liked the first one ... the other 2 weren't as pretty ...

as for chicks digging the bad boys, well there's Dax and Worf ...

[vonjunzt]

And so goodbye to Majel Barrett Roddenberry, who yesterday joined Trek castmates DeForest Kelley and James Doohan in the Great Ether.

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