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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by skye_phoenix View Post
    As usual, you make everything in the bible about the iglesya that mang Felix founded.
    I "don't make it all about INC", IT'S EVIDENT IN THE BIBLE! Otherwise, you can give us your version of that interpretation as it applies to RCC!

    Kayo-kayo lang din naman nabobola nyang mga kamang-mangang turo nang founder nyo. Pilit nyo lang ikinokonekta ang INM sa Christianity, pero ang mga aral nyo puro maka anti-Christ at pro-Manalo.

    Araw-araw ay nadadagdagan ang membership ng INC at ito ay dahil sa Diyos mismo ang naglalagay ng mga mananampalataya Niya sa true church:


    Acts 2:47
    King James Bible
    Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

    Acts 5:14
    Yet more and more believers were brought to the Lord--large numbers of both men and women.

    Acts 9:31
    Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee, and Samaria experienced a time of peace. It grew in strength and numbers, living in the fear of the Lord and the encouragement of the Holy Spirit.

    Joel 2:32
    And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance, as the LORD has said, even among the survivors whom the LORD calls.

    May mabangit na East, kayo agad yun? From afar, kayo din? Ang galeng! Kayo na!
    O e di bakit hindi mo sabihin kung sino yang mga taga "east from afar"? Kung applicable ba yan sa RCC?
    Last edited by KidlatNgayon; 6 days ago at 10:24 PM.

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Sabi ng biblia ay mga anak din ng Diyos ang foreknown din Niya before the foundation of the world:


    Ephesians 1:4 For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love 5 He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will,…

    ^ And as you will notice, those who were chosen before the foundation of the world are ADOPTED sons, meaning NOT JEWS!

    And FYI - walang Diyos na ay tao pa. Kung Diyos talaga si Cristo, kahit nagsa-tao na Siya ay Diyos pa rin Siya. Yan ay ayon sa sarili Nyong doktrina na ang Diyos ay may 3 persona). Kung Siya ay Diyos at nagkatawang tao lang Siya, He was deceiving mankind into believing He is human although He is not! Deception is LYING! And according to the bible, Jesus never lies!
    Ilang beses nang ipinakita na mali yang intindi ninyo sa "foreknown." Even before the foundation of the world, the ETERNAL Son of God, the "Word" (John 1)is to come as an Israelite (Romans 9). Saka meron ba namang foreknown na very active sa creation at sa Old Testament? Di ba you admitted that the "arm of God" is Jesus, and yet you will not admit that the "arm of God" was very active in the Old Covenant? It was the "arm of God" who delivered them from Egypt, who crashed rahab and the dragon and brought salvation to Israel, who delivered them from all enemies and yet to you this Jesus is just foreknown? Kabobohan iyan, di ba?

    1 Peter 1:20
    Who truly was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you

    Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers

    (20) Who verily was foreordained.—There is a sharp contrast intended between the two clauses of this verse, and in the Greek the tenses are different. “Who had been foreknown, indeed, before the foundation of the world, but for your benefit was (only) pointed out at the end of the times.” St, Peter is returning once more to the great argument of 1Peter 1:10-12, “Do not treat your share in the gospel liberation as if it were, at best, a piece of good luck, and so learn to despise it. Neither think of it as if Paul and Silvanus were preaching to you a novel invention at discord with the spirit of the old covenant, under which you were bred. God knew from all eternity who was to be His Messiah and His Lamb, but for your sakes the particular and personal declaration of Him was reserved till now. For you has been kept the revelation of a secret which underlay the whole Old Testament system.” The grammatical antecedent of the relative “who verily” is not “lamb,” but “Christ;” and the word for “foreordained” is, literally, foreknown, only as in 1Peter 1:2 (see Note), with the additional notion of coming to a decision. We see that St. Peter’s doctrine has not changed since the great day of Pentecost (Acts 2:23). The foreknowledge (as that passage would show) includes not only the knowledge and decision that Jesus should be the Christ, but that the Christ’s history should be what it was; and this seems to involve not only the doctrine that the Incarnation was no mere episode, consequent upon the Fall of man, but also the doctrine that, “before the foundation of the world,” God had foreknown, and predecided to allow, the Fall itself. The same doctrine seems to be involved in Revelation 13:8, but only indirectly, because there the words “from the foundation of the world,” are to be attached, not to the word “slain,” but to the word “written.”

    Was manifest.—Better, was manifested, i.e., unambiguously shown, pointed out. The context shows that it does not simply mean the visible life of the Incarnate Word among men, as in 1Timothy 3:16; 1John 3:5; but that the Messiah and Lamb of God was pointed out as being identical with the Man Jesus. And this was the work of John the Baptist, to say of the particular Person whom he saw walking by Jordan, “Behold the Lamb.” So St. John Baptist himself described his mission: “The whole purpose of my coming was that He might be manifested, singled out and shown to Israel,” as the Person round whom all their Messianic hopes were gathered (John 1:31).

    In these last times—i.e., not merely “in modern times,” “lately,” but “at the end of the times,” showing St. Peter’s belief that the end of the world was not far distant. (Comp. once more Daniel 12:4; Daniel 12:9; Daniel 12:13.) Almost exactly the same phrase is used in Hebrews 1:2; 2Peter 3:3.


    Barnes' Notes on the Bible
    Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world - That is, it was foreordained, or predetermined, that he should be the great stoning Sacrifice for sin. On the meaning of the word "foreordained," (προγινώσκω proginōskō,) see Romans 8:29. The word is rendered which knew, Acts 26:5; foreknew and foreknow, Romans 8:29; Romans 11:2; foreordained, 1 Peter 1:20; and know before, 2 Peter 2:17. It does not elsewhere occur in the New Testament. The sense is, that the plan was formed, and the arrangements made for the atonement, before the world was created.

    Before the foundation of the world - That is, from eternity. It was before man was formed; before the earth was made; before any of the material universe was brought into being; before the angels were created. Compare the Matthew 25:34 note; John 17:24 note; Ephesians 1:4 note.



    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    God, technically, is formless as He is spirit. However His manifestation is seen through His creation and goodness:

    Romans 1:19 For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse
    Mahilig kasi ang INC sa literal. material interpretation. So ano ang invisible form ng God that was manifested by Jesus? You already quoted Romans 1:19 and yet you cannot answer my question?


    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Yan nga ang itinatanong ko sa yo noon pa, NAWALA BA ang pagka-Diyos ni Crsito nang maging tao Siya? Paano Siya makakabalik sa pagka-Diyos uli??? OR mas tama yatang sabihin na IBINABA Siya para maging tao. At bakit kailangan pang may magbaba o magtaas sa Kanya? Kung Diyos na Siya ay dapt gawin Niya ito sa sarili Niya?
    Matuto kasing umintindi, sinagot na iyan.

    We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
    the only Son of God,
    eternally begotten of the Father,
    God from God, Light from Light,
    true God from true God,
    begotten, not made, consubstantial
    of one Being with the Father.



    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Suma total, iisa lang naman ang pinagtatalunan natin dito - kung Diyos ba o Hindi Diyos si Cristo! Importanteng MALAMAN ANG TUNAY NA SAGOT DIYAN, IMPORTANTENG MALAMAN ANG KATOTOHANAN dahil sabi ni Cristo MISMO:

    John 13:3
    New Living Translation
    And this is the way to have eternal life--to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.

    Sa Tagalog:

    3 At ito ang buhay na walang hanggan, na ikaw ay makilala nila na IISANG Dios na tunay, at siyang iyong sinugo, sa makatuwid baga'y si Jesucristo.
    Di ba inurungan mo nga yung discussion natin diyan tungkol sa divinity of Jesus in a JEWISH WAY? Mahilig kayo sa anachronistic approach sa bible eh, you keep interpreting it in YOUR WAY instead of the languages and times of the period the different books of the bible were written.


    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Ako, "tinanggal ang free will ni Jesus"? NAGPAPATAWA KA BA? Hindi ako kagaya mong magsalita:

    Ito ang sabi ni Cristo MISMO:

    John 4:34
    Berean Study Bible
    Jesus explained, "My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me and to finish His work.

    John 6:38
    For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but to do the will of Him who sent Me.
    Hindi talaga marunong maki pag discussion ito, bakit hindi mo sagutin yung tanong? Mahilig kang umiwas sa punto nnang kausap mo.

    So what is the image of God that Jesus is imaging?


    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Sabi sa biblia ay sasabihin ng mga sanlibutan na MANGMANG ang tunay na doktrina ng Diyos! So sino ang nagsasabi na mangmang ang turo namin?
    Wala pa ring maipakita na patunay na sila ang bagong Israel, the New Jerusalem of God.

  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    [B]
    O e di bakit hindi mo sabihin kung sino yang mga taga "east from afar"? Kung applicable ba yan sa RCC?
    Again, ilang beses na ring ipinaliwanag sa iyo yan.
    Here are the commentaries regarding this "coastlands far away"


    Bible > Commentaries > Jeremiah 31:10


    ◄ Jeremiah 31:10

    Hear the word of the LORD, O you nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd does his flock.


    Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers


    (10) Declare it in the isles afar off . . .—The “isles” appear here, as in Psalm 72:10, Isaiah 40:15; Isaiah 41:1; Isaiah 49:1; Isaiah 66:19, as the vague representative of the distant lands of the west—sometimes (as in Numbers 24:24; Jeremiah 2:10) with the addition of Chittim. Of the isles so referred to, Cyprus and Crete, so far as any definite localities were thought of, would probably be most conspicuous. Both the “nations” and the “isles” represent the heathen whom the prophet calls to join in the praises offered by Israel.

    Benson Commentary
    Jeremiah 31:10-11. Hear the word of the Lord, O ye nations, &c. — This apostrophe, or turning to the heathen nations, was, as it were, the prelude of calling them to the knowledge of the true God....Declare it in the isles afar off — The Jews, as we have repeatedly seen, called all the countries islands to which they went by sea. He that scattered Israel, &c. — He that caused Israel to be carried away captive into various countries, and dispersed them over the face of the earth,

    Barnes' Notes on the Bible
    The isles - The coast land of the Mediterranean, used here to show that the most distant countries are to hear and marvel at Israel's wonderful restoration.

    Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
    Hear the word of the Lord, O ye nations,.... The Gentiles: who are called upon to hear the word of the Gospel;...that they might believe in him, and profess his name: and declare it in the isles afar off; having heard, received, and embraced the Gospel themselves, it became them to make it known to others; not only to those upon the continent and the isles adjacent, but to those afar off from it; such as these isles of ours, of Great Britain and Ireland; where, blessed be the Lord, this Gospel has been declared to the conversion and comfort of many, and to the glory of Christ:

    Pulpit Commentary
    Verse 10. - The isles; i.e. the distant countries of the West (see on Jeremiah 2:10). So great an event as the restoration of the chosen people would be of worldwide importance. He that scattered Israel will gather him, etc. "The Israelites were the flock of Jehovah (Psalm 77:20; Psalm 80:1), but during the Captivity a scattered and miserable flock. Jeremiah says that his eye 'shall run down with tears, because the flock of Jehovah is carried away captive' (Jeremiah 13:17). The change in the fortunes of the Jews is compared by the prophets to a shepherd's seeking his lost sheep, and feeding them again in green pastures (Jeremiah 31:10; Jeremiah 1:19; Ezekiel 34:11-16). The reference is not so much to the homeward journey of the exiles as to the state of temporal and spiritual happiness in which they would find themselves on their return. The same figures occur in a psalm, where a reference to the return from exile is excluded by the pre-exile date, '... feed them also, and carry them forever' (Psalm 28:9[I])" (from the writer's note on Isaiah 40:11).

    Pulpit Commentary

    Verse 10. - The isles; i.e. the distant countries of the West (see on Jeremiah 2:10).


    Jeremiah 2:10

    For pass over the isles of Chittim, and see; and send unto Kedar, and consider diligently, and see if there be such a thing.
    Verse 10. - Justification of Jehovah's judicial action towards Judah. Consider the heinousness of the offence. Pass over - rather, pass over to - the isles of Chittim; i.e. the islands and maritime countries of the West, represented by Cyprus (see on Genesis 10:4). For the wide use of Chittim, comp. Numbers 24:24; Daniel 11:30). Kedar, in the narrower sense, is a large tribe of Arabian origin, whose haunts were between Arabia Petraea and Babylonia. Here, however, it is used in a wider sense for the Arab tribes in general (so Jeremiah Tiler 28; Isaiah 21:16, 17).

    Kaya kid, kitang kita diyan na hindi kayo ang tinutukoy sa Isaiah 11:11.

    And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

    Wala pang INC 1914 noong araw na itinayo ang Panginoon. Hindi kayo ang remnant niyan at hindi mo puwedeng gamiting yang remnant na iyan sa spiritual meaning na kayo iyan. Maliwanag na ang sinasabi na remnant diyan ay yung mga remnant from OLD COVENANT CHURCH hindi remnant sa NEW COVENANT CHURCH.


    Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers

    (11) The Lord shall set his hand again the second time . . .—The “first” time, implied in the “second,” was obviously that of the Exodus. Then, as from a state of extremest misery, they had entered on their life as a nation, and what had been in the past should be reproduced yet more wonderfully in the future. The list of countries that follows rests in part on the fact of a dispersion already begun, as in 2Kings 15:29; 2Kings 17:6, and Isaiah 43:5-6, partly on the prophet’s prevision of the coming years. The great kingdoms by which Judah was surrounded are all enumerated:—(1) Assyria; (2) Egypt, i.e., Lower Egypt; (3) Pathros, probably the region of Upper Egypt, of which Thebes was the capital (the name has been interpreted as “Southland,” or as connected with the worship of the goddess Athor); (4) Cush, i.e., Ethiopia, higher up the valley of the Nile, governed at this time by a warlike and powerful dynasty (see Isaiah 37:9); (5) Elam, often translated Persia, but probably used, with a wider range, for the region east of the lower course of the Tigris and Euphrates; (6) Shinar, as in Genesis 11:1, the plain south of the junction of those rivers; (7) Hamath, the nearest of the hostile kingdoms (see Note on Isaiah 10:9); and, lastly, the “island” or coast regions of the Mediterranean Sea. In Zephaniah 3:10 we have traces of an Ethiopian captivity; in Ezra 2:7, of exiles in Elam.

    Benson Commentary

    Isaiah 11:11-12. And it shall come to pass in that day — As this chapter contains a general prophecy of the advancement which Christ’s kingdom should make in the world, and as this advancement was to be made by different steps and degrees, so the several parts of this prophecy may be supposed to point at different ages or periods of time: see note on Isaiah 2:2. “And, I take this part of the chapter,” says Lowth, “from Isaiah 11:10 onward, to foretel those glorious times of the church, which shall be ushered in by the restoration of the Jewish nation, when they shall embrace the gospel, and be restored to their own country, from the several dispersions where they are scattered. This remarkable scene of providence is plainly foretold by most of the prophets of the Old Testament, and by St. Paul in the New.” See the margin. Bishop Lowth also observes, that “this part of the chapter contains a prophecy, which certainly remains yet to be accomplished.” The Lord shall set his hand again the second time — The first time to which this word second relates, seems to be, either, 1st, The deliverance out of Egypt, and then this second must be that out of Babylon; or, rather, 2d, The deliverance out of Babylon; and then this second deliverance must be in the days of the Messiah. This latter interpretation seems more probable, 1st, Because that first deliverance, like the second, is supposed to be a deliverance of the remnant of this people from several countries into which they were dispersed: whereas that out of Egypt was a deliverance, not of a remnant, but of the whole nation, and out of Egypt only: 2d, Because this second deliverance was universal, extending to the generality of the outcasts and dispersed ones, both of Israel, or the ten tribes, and of Judah, or the two tribes, as is evident from these verses, whereas that out of Babylon reached only to the two tribes, and to some few of the ten tribes which were mixed with them: 3d, Because this second deliverance was to be given them in the days of the Messiah, and to accompany, or follow, the conversion of the Gentiles, as is evident from Isaiah 11:9-10, whereas that out of Babylon was long before the coming of the Messiah and the calling of the Gentiles. And from the islands of the sea — From all places, both far and near, into which either the ten tribes, or the two tribes, were carried captives. Pathros was a province of Egypt. The other places here named are well known, and have been spoken of before in our notes on other texts. And he shall set up an ensign for the nations — All nations, Jews and Gentiles. And shall assemble the outcasts of Israel — Those of the ten tribes that had been driven out of their own land into foreign parts; and gather together the dispersed of Judah —

    Kaya hindi kayo ang New Israel or New Jerusalem, hindi kayo ang yung Bride of Christ. Ang Bride ng Panginoon ay yung New Jerusalem. Sa Revelation kitang kita ang contrast sa Old Jerusalem sa New Jerusalem. The New Jerusalem was revealed when the Old Jerusalem was cast out in the destruction of the temple, like the casting out of Ishmael and making Isaac the heir. This is what St. Paul argued in Galatians 4 the casting of the Old Jerusalem and the coming of the New Jerusalem.

    The Allegory of Hagar and Sarah

    21 Tell me, you who desire to be subject to the law, will you not listen to the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and the other by a free woman. 23 One, the child of the slave, was born according to the flesh; the other, the child of the free woman, was born through the promise. 24 Now this is an allegory: these women are two covenants. One woman, in fact, is Hagar, from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery. 25 Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia[g] and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the other woman corresponds to the Jerusalem above; she is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written,

    “Rejoice, you childless one, you who bear no children,
    burst into song and shout, you who endure no birth pangs;
    for the children of the desolate woman are more numerous
    than the children of the one who is married.”

    28 Now you,[h] my friends,[i] are children of the promise, like Isaac. 29 But just as at that time the child who was born according to the flesh persecuted the child who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also. 30 But what does the scripture say? “Drive out the slave and her child; for the child of the slave will not share the inheritance with the child of the free woman.” 31 So then, friends,[j] we are children, not of the slave but of the free woman.

  4. #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    I "don't make it all about INC", IT'S EVIDENT IN THE BIBLE! Otherwise, you can give us your version of that interpretation as it applies to RCC!
    Evident nyong mukha nyo!
    "Far east!?" = Nasa far east nang Israel ang Pilipinas kung nasan ang iglesyang itinatag ni Manalo, kaya "obviously" INM yan!

    "Remnant!?" = INM din yan, kasi tayo yung "third-part" eh.

    "Third-part!? = INM din yun, kasi yung first part Israel, yung second part Judah ((?) not sure kung Judah sila for you), kaya obviously INM yung third-part!

    Galeng mag analyze, yezzz naman!

    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Araw-araw ay nadadagdagan ang membership ng INC at ito ay dahil sa Diyos mismo ang naglalagay ng mga mananampalataya Niya sa true church:
    Araw-araw ding may nadagdag sa RCC, born again, islam, etc.

    And yet, napag iiwanan pa rin ang iglesyang itinatag ni Manalo, hanggang Pinas lang. Kamusta naman, lagpas na kayo sa 100 years and yet kapraso lang kayo. So much for the new Jacob.

    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    O e di bakit hindi mo sabihin kung sino yang mga taga "east from afar"? Kung applicable ba yan sa RCC?
    Inaangkin ba yan nang RCC? Patawa toh oh.
    Although, pwedeng-pwede yang angkinin nang RCC, based on your INM logic, kasi sa Pinas, mas maraming RCC, compare sa ibang religion.

    However, matagal na at paulit- ulit pang ipinapaliwanag sa inyo kung ano yang far east na yan. Kaya lang, di nga nag re-register sa inyo yung explanation, devah?

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdinand View Post
    Again, ilang beses na ring ipinaliwanag sa iyo yan.
    Here are the commentaries regarding this "coastlands far away"


    Bible > Commentaries > Jeremiah 31:10


    ◄ Jeremiah 31:10

    Hear the word of the LORD, O you nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd does his flock.


    Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers


    (10) Declare it in the isles afar off . . .—The “isles” appear here, as in Psalm 72:10, Isaiah 40:15; Isaiah 41:1; Isaiah 49:1; Isaiah 66:19, as the vague representative of the distant lands of the west—sometimes (as in Numbers 24:24; Jeremiah 2:10) with the addition of Chittim. Of the isles so referred to, Cyprus and Crete, so far as any definite localities were thought of, would probably be most conspicuous. Both the “nations” and the “isles” represent the heathen whom the prophet calls to join in the praises offered by Israel.

    Benson Commentary
    Jeremiah 31:10-11. Hear the word of the Lord, O ye nations, &c. — This apostrophe, or turning to the heathen nations, was, as it were, the prelude of calling them to the knowledge of the true God....Declare it in the isles afar off — The Jews, as we have repeatedly seen, called all the countries islands to which they went by sea. He that scattered Israel, &c. — He that caused Israel to be carried away captive into various countries, and dispersed them over the face of the earth,

    Barnes' Notes on the Bible
    The isles - The coast land of the Mediterranean, used here to show that the most distant countries are to hear and marvel at Israel's wonderful restoration.

    Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
    Hear the word of the Lord, O ye nations,.... The Gentiles: who are called upon to hear the word of the Gospel;...that they might believe in him, and profess his name: and declare it in the isles afar off; having heard, received, and embraced the Gospel themselves, it became them to make it known to others; not only to those upon the continent and the isles adjacent, but to those afar off from it; such as these isles of ours, of Great Britain and Ireland; where, blessed be the Lord, this Gospel has been declared to the conversion and comfort of many, and to the glory of Christ:

    Pulpit Commentary
    Verse 10. - The isles; i.e. the distant countries of the West (see on Jeremiah 2:10). So great an event as the restoration of the chosen people would be of worldwide importance. He that scattered Israel will gather him, etc. "The Israelites were the flock of Jehovah (Psalm 77:20; Psalm 80:1), but during the Captivity a scattered and miserable flock. Jeremiah says that his eye 'shall run down with tears, because the flock of Jehovah is carried away captive' (Jeremiah 13:17). The change in the fortunes of the Jews is compared by the prophets to a shepherd's seeking his lost sheep, and feeding them again in green pastures (Jeremiah 31:10; Jeremiah 1:19; Ezekiel 34:11-16). The reference is not so much to the homeward journey of the exiles as to the state of temporal and spiritual happiness in which they would find themselves on their return. The same figures occur in a psalm, where a reference to the return from exile is excluded by the pre-exile date, '... feed them also, and carry them forever' (Psalm 28:9[I])" (from the writer's note on Isaiah 40:11).

    Pulpit Commentary

    Verse 10. - The isles; i.e. the distant countries of the West (see on Jeremiah 2:10).


    Isaiah 24:15
    New International Version
    Therefore in the east give glory to the LORD; exalt the name of the LORD, the God of Israel, in the islands of the sea.


    New International Version
    Sing to the LORD a new song, his praise from the ends of the earth, you who go down to the sea, and all that is in it, you islands, and all who live in them.

    ^Clearly referring to ONE NATION and not many different coutries!

    REQUIREMENTS: EAST, EXALT THE GOD OF ISRAEL, ISLANDS OF THE SEA, ENDS OF THE EARTH (THE TIME WHEN THE END IS NEAR OR PRESENT TIME)

    None of your posted interpretations satisfy all these requirements!
    Last edited by KidlatNgayon; 5 days ago at 04:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_phoenix

    Araw-araw ding may nadagdag sa RCC, born again, islam, etc.

    And yet, napag iiwanan pa rin ang iglesyang itinatag ni Manalo, hanggang Pinas lang. Kamusta naman, lagpas na kayo sa 100 years and yet kapraso lang kayo. So much for the new Jacob.
    WAKE UP! I will just talk about Christian-professing churches:

    The Church In Decline: France’s Vanishing Catholics

    BY PALASH GHOSH @GOOCH700 ON 03/14/13 AT 6:13 AM
    France is an overwhelmingly Catholic country -- up to 88 percent of the population belongs to the Roman Catholic church, according to the CIA World Factbook. However, the number of active believers has been falling for decades.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/church-declin...holics-1125241

    Pew survey: Percentage of US Catholics drops and Catholicism is losing members faster than any denomination
    Michael O'LoughlinMay 12, 2015 CRUX_CONTRIBUTOR

    https://cruxnow.com/church/2015/05/1...-denomination/

    The Decline of European Christianity
    https://medium.com/the-liturgical-le...y-c05ac483034c

    Why the Mainline Shrinkage?
    DECEMBER 16, 2016 BY SCOT MCKNIGHT

    Those who don’t attend church regularly but are scouting for Christmas services this year might be surprised to find fewer mainline Protestant churches around these days.

    Read more at http://www.patheos.com/blogs/jesuscr...1Yfso8uzL3V.99

    Mainline Churches:
    The Real Reason for Decline


    Benton Johnson, Dean R. Hoge & Donald A. Luidens

    Copyright (c) 1993 First Things 31 (March 1993): 13-18.

    America's so-called mainline Protestant churches aren't what they used to be. For generations on end, the Methodists, Presbyterians, Congregationalists, Episcopalians, and kindred denominations reported net annual membership gains. As recently as the 1950s their growth rate equaled or exceeded that of the United States as a whole.

    But in the early 1960s their growth slowed down, and after the middle of the decade they had begun to lose members. With very few exceptions, the decline has continued to this date. Never before had any large religious body in this country lost members steadily for so many years. By 1990 these denominations had lost between one-fifth and one-third of the membership they claimed in 1965 and the proportion of Americans affiliated with them had reached a twentieth-century low.

    http://www.leaderu.com/ftissues/ft93...s/johnson.html

    MANY MORE!

  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post


    Isaiah 24:15
    New International Version
    Therefore in the east give glory to the LORD; exalt the name of the LORD, the God of Israel, in the islands of the sea.


    New International Version
    Sing to the LORD a new song, his praise from the ends of the earth, you who go down to the sea, and all that is in it, you islands, and all who live in them.

    ^Clearly referring to ONE NATION and not many different coutries!

    REQUIREMENTS: EAST, EXALT THE GOD OF ISRAEL, ISLANDS OF THE SEA, ENDS OF THE EARTH (THE TIME WHEN THE END IS NEAR OR PRESENT TIME)

    None of your posted interpretations satisfy all these requirements!
    Nasaan ang patunay diyan na ISANG BANSA ang sinasabi diyan? Saka paano mo masasabi na ang tamang interpretation ng "ends of the earth" ay time instead of geographical location?

  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by sky_phoenix
    naangkin ba yan nang RCC? Patawa toh oh.

    Kung hindi niya maangkin ay dahil hindi siya at walang patunay na siya!


    Although, pwedeng-pwede yang angkinin nang RCC, based on your INM logic, kasi sa Pinas, mas maraming RCC, compare sa ibang religion.
    PH Catholics going to Mass weekly drops to 37%: SWS
    by David Dizon, ABS-CBNnews.com
    Posted at Apr 08 2013 06:14 PM | Updated as of Apr 09 2013 02:48 AM

    MANILA – Are Filipino Catholics really abandoning the faith and leaving the Catholic Church?

    According to the latest Social Weather Stations survey, only 9.2% of Filipino Catholics, or about one in every 11, said they strongly or else somewhat agreed with the statement: “Sometimes I think I might leave the Catholic Church.”

    However, SWS also noted that weekly church attendance among Catholic adults in the Philippines has been declining, from 64% in July 1991 to only 37% in February 2013.

    The survey also said that, compared to those of other religions, Catholics are less religious, and attend church less frequently.

    http://news.abs-cbn.com/focus/04/08/...y-drops-37-sws

    THE BIBLE SAYS:


    Isaiah 46: 5“To whom would you liken Me
    And make Me equal and compare Me,
    That we would be alike?

    6“Those who lavish gold from the purse
    And weigh silver on the scale
    Hire a goldsmith, and he makes it into a god;
    They bow down, indeed they worship it.

    7“They lift it upon the shoulder and carry it;
    They set it in its place and it stands there.
    It does not move from its place.
    Though one may cry to it, it cannot answer;
    It cannot deliver him from his distress.

    8“Remember this, and be assured;
    Recall it to mind, you transgressors.


    9“Remember the former things long past,
    For I am God, and there is no other;
    I am God, and there is no one like Me,

    10Declaring the end from the beginning,
    And from ancient times things which have not been done,
    Saying, ‘My purpose will be established,
    And I will accomplish all My good pleasure’;

    11Calling a bird of prey from the east,
    The man of My purpose from a far country.
    Truly I have spoken; truly I will bring it to pass.
    I have planned it, surely I will do it.

    12“Listen to Me, you stubborn-minded,
    Who are far from righteousness.

    13“I bring near My righteousness, it is not far off;
    And My salvation will not delay.
    And I will grant salvation in Zion,
    And My glory for Israel.


    ^ Yes, the idol worshipers will be brought back to God by "a bird of prey from the east". God has brought his righteousness now that the stubborn-minded have been plucked them from the false church!

    So this thing is happening in the Philippines indeed! The false church is losing members to the true church!

  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdinand View Post
    Nasaan ang patunay diyan na ISANG BANSA ang sinasabi diyan?
    Because the people in the islands WILL WORSHIP THE GOD OF ISRAEL. Are many different nations worshiping the God of Israel who is the Father and NOT Jesus (and the Holy Spirit)???

    Saka paano mo masasabi na ang tamang interpretation ng "ends of the earth" ay time instead of geographical location?
    This “ends of the earth” refers to a time different from “end of the earth.” The latter is synonymous with the end of the world or the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus:

    “And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?” (Matthew 24:3 KJV)

    The apostles had asked Jesus the signs of the end of the world. His reply was that they would hear of wars and rumors of wars, which would be followed by a war involving nation against nation, kingdom against kingdom; there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes. All these are signs that the end is at the very doors:

    “And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

    “So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.


    “And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.” (Matthew 24:3, 33, 6-8 KJV)

    Thus, in other words, these events would happen during the time “ends of the earth” which precedes the time “end of the earth.” Take note that the first sign indicating that the time is in the “ends of the earth” is that “ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars.” Although there were many wars happened in history of the world, however, the this “war” mentioned by Bible will be followed by another war of the same kind, “see that ye be not troubled: for these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

    Can you tell me which countries are at the "ends of the earth" geographically???

  10. #90
    Does it make sense that God will only be proclaimed by those in the countries at the "ends of the earth" which you are yet to identify? God is giving the WHOLE WORLD A CHANCE FOR SALVATION!

    Matthew 24:14
    New International Version
    And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

    This verse is specific in giving the time and the place:

    Psalm 65:5
    King James Bible
    By terrible things in righteousness wilt thou answer us, O God of our salvation; who art the confidence of all the ends of the earth, and of them that are afar off upon the sea:

  11. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Because the people in the islands WILL WORSHIP THE GOD OF ISRAEL. Are many different nations worshiping the God of Israel who is the Father and NOT Jesus (and the Holy Spirit)???
    Kid, ginamit mo ang Isaiah 24:15 para sabihin na ISANG NATION ang tinutukoy doon. Tinanong kita kung nasaan sa Isaiah 24:15 ang patunay sa sinabi mo, tapos iyan ang sagot mo sa akin? Ang layo nang sagot mo kid.

    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    This “ends of the earth” refers to a time different from “end of the earth.” The latter is synonymous with the end of the world or the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus:

    “And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?” (Matthew 24:3 KJV)

    The apostles had asked Jesus the signs of the end of the world. His reply was that they would hear of wars and rumors of wars, which would be followed by a war involving nation against nation, kingdom against kingdom; there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes. All these are signs that the end is at the very doors:

    “And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

    “So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.


    “And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.” (Matthew 24:3, 33, 6-8 KJV)

    Thus, in other words, these events would happen during the time “ends of the earth” which precedes the time “end of the earth.” Take note that the first sign indicating that the time is in the “ends of the earth” is that “ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars.” Although there were many wars happened in history of the world, however, the this “war” mentioned by Bible will be followed by another war of the same kind, “see that ye be not troubled: for these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
    Ends of the earth as I've told you so many times do not refer to time but the "the extremities of the earth." Pakibasa na lang ito.

    http://www.britam.org/HebrewEnds.html

    The Lost Ten Tribes in the Period of their Exile will have been living at the Ends of the Earth.

    The word used for 'end' or 'ends' in Hebrew, in connection with ends of the earth and Israel, is usually "Katseh", or in plural "Kastvot". This word, when connected with the word for "Earth" (Aretz), can be associated everywhere it appears in the Bible with the Lost Tribes of Israel. Most nations that contain a significant portion of Israelite descendants are situated at the "ends of the earth" meaning the geographical extremities as measured from Jerusalem. This is how it was prophesied. Most of the "ends of the earth" belong to Israel. North America, the British Isles, Northwest Europe, Scandinavia, South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand, which all may be considered "ends of the earth", and in these areas most people of Israelite descent, from the Ten Tribes, are to be found.

    Remember that this is a prophecy about the EXILE AND RELEASE OF ISRAEL, this has nothing to do with INC of 1914.

    Again do not take the text out of its context. When a text are taken out of its context it is called a pretext. INC is just so fond of this dishonest method.

    Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
    XXIV.

    (1) Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty . . .—The chapters from 24 to 27, inclusive, are to be taken as a continuous prophecy of the overthrow of the great world-powers which wore arrayed against Jehovah and His people. Of these Assyria was then the most prominent within the horizon of the prophet’s view; but Moab appears in Isaiah 25:10, and the language, with that exception, seems deliberately generalised, as if to paint the general discomfiture in every age (and, above all, in the great age of the future Deliverer) of the enemies of Jehovah and His people.

    Again you have to know the History of Israel to get what the major and minor prophets are saying. In this case Isaiah is prophesying the destruction of those oppressing Israel in the period of captivity.

    Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers

    (15) Wherefore glorify ye the Lord in the fires.—The last word, which is identical in form with the Urim of the high priest’s breastplate, has been very differently interpreted:—(1) Taking it in the sense of “light,” it has been taken as meaning the east, as contrasted with the “isles of the sea” as a synonym for the west, and so standing parallel to the familiar phrase “from the rising of the sun to the going down of the same” (Malachi 1:11; Isaiah 59:19), and, we may add, to the like formula in Assyrian inscriptions, e.g., that of Esarhaddon (Records of the Past, iii. 111). So Homer, “the dawn and the sun” (Il, xii. 239) as a phrase for the East; and our Orient and East have substantially the same significance. (2) It has been rendered simply “regions,” or “countries” (Cheyne). (3) It has been interpreted of the “fiery trial” of tribulation, or of the “light” of Divine truth. Of these, (1) has the merit of being more in harmony with the primary meaning of the word, and giving a more vivid antithesis. The “isles of the sea” we have met in Isaiah 11:11.



    Benson Commentary

    The name of the Lord in the isles of the sea In remote countries beyond the sea, which in Scripture are commonly called isles.


    Barne's Note

    'In the islands.' The Chaldee, 'Therefore, when light shall come to the just, they shall glorify the Lord.'

    (2) The parallelism, the construction, demands such an interpretation.

    It would then be equivalent to calling on the scattered people to glorify God in the East, and in the West; in the regions of the rising sun and in the coasts of the sea; or wherever they were scattered. And the sense is,(1) that they should be encouraged to do this by the prospect of a return;
    (2) that it was their duty still to do this wherever they were; and
    (3) that the worship of the true God would be in fact continued and celebrated, though his people were scattered, and driven to distant lands.


    Jamieson-Faussett-Brown
    "in the regions of morning light," that is, the east, in antithesis to the "isles of the sea," that is, the west [Maurer]. Wheresoever ye be scattered, east or west, still glorify the Lord (Mal 1:11).


    Matthew Poole

    In the isles of the sea; in remote countries beyond the sea, which in Scripture are commonly called isles, as hath been formerly and oft observed; whereby he seems to imply that he here speaks not so much of a temporal felicity which the Jews should receive and enjoy in their own country, as of a spiritual advantage which they should have by the Messias in the places where they were dispersed.



    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Can you tell me which countries are at the "ends of the earth" geographically???
    Benson Commentary
    Isaiah 24:16. From the uttermost part, &c. — From all parts of the earth, or land, where the Jews are, or shall be,

    Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
    (16) From the uttermost part of the earth . . . The “uttermost part” is, literally, the wing or skirt of the earth.


    So para sa iyo kapag ends of the earth ibig sabihin Pilipinas na agad?

  12. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Does it make sense that God will only be proclaimed by those in the countries at the "ends of the earth" which you are yet to identify? God is giving the WHOLE WORLD A CHANCE FOR SALVATION!

    Matthew 24:14
    New International Version
    And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

    This verse is specific in giving the time and the place:

    Psalm 65:5
    King James Bible
    By terrible things in righteousness wilt thou answer us, O God of our salvation; who art the confidence of all the ends of the earth, and of them that are afar off upon the sea:
    Extremities of the earth nga in reference from Jerusalem. I have no problem you saying that the gospel will go to the whole earth. just don't make it sound that Isaiah 24:15 is referring to the Philippines.

  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdinand View Post
    Extremities of the earth nga in reference from Jerusalem. I have no problem you saying that the gospel will go to the whole earth. just don't make it sound that Isaiah 24:15 is referring to the Philippines.
    Bahala ka! I have revealed to you what was revealed to us! I have "loved" my neighbor!

  14. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Bahala ka! I have revealed to you what was revealed to us! I have "loved" my neighbor!
    Obvious ba na niloloko ka lang ng mga ministro mo? Di ba ang konteksto ay yung CAPTIVITY and RELEASE of ISRAEL from the major powers that oppressed them? Kaya iyan Isaiah has to be read in its historical context.

  15. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdinand View Post
    Extremities of the earth nga in reference from Jerusalem. I have no problem you saying that the gospel will go to the whole earth. just don't make it sound that Isaiah 24:15 is referring to the Philippines.
    Alam mo ba kung ano ang "extremeties" of the earth? EQUATOR! YES OR NO?

    Aling islands dyan along the equator ang mayroong maraming Christians?

  16. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Alam mo ba kung ano ang "extremeties" of the earth? EQUATOR! YES OR NO?

    Aling islands dyan along the equator ang mayroong maraming Christians?
    The reference here is Jerusalem and not the north and south poles. Remember that this has to do with the lost ten tribes of Israel. They were scattered by the the major powers that oppressed Israel. They did not come to the Philippines, kid.

    The Lost Ten Tribes in the Period of their Exile will have been living at the Ends of the Earth.

    The word used for 'end' or 'ends' in Hebrew, in connection with ends of the earth and Israel, is usually "Katseh", or in plural "Kastvot". This word, when connected with the word for "Earth" (Aretz), can be associated everywhere it appears in the Bible with the Lost Tribes of Israel. Most nations that contain a significant portion of Israelite descendants are situated at the "ends of the earth" meaning the geographical extremities as measured from Jerusalem. This is how it was prophesied. Most of the "ends of the earth" belong to Israel. North America, the British Isles, Northwest Europe, Scandinavia, South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand, which all may be considered "ends of the earth", and in these areas most people of Israelite descent, from the Ten Tribes, are to be found.



    Saka ito, Pilipinas din ba ang tinutukoy dito?

    Deuteronomy 33:17
    His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.

  17. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdinand View Post
    The reference here is Jerusalem and not the north and south poles. Remember that this has to do with the lost ten tribes of Israel. They were scattered by the the major powers that oppressed Israel. They did not come to the Philippines, kid.

    The Lost Ten Tribes in the Period of their Exile will have been living at the Ends of the Earth.

    The word used for 'end' or 'ends' in Hebrew, in connection with ends of the earth and Israel, is usually "Katseh", or in plural "Kastvot". This word, when connected with the word for "Earth" (Aretz), can be associated everywhere it appears in the Bible with the Lost Tribes of Israel. Most nations that contain a significant portion of Israelite descendants are situated at the "ends of the earth" meaning the geographical extremities as measured from Jerusalem. This is how it was prophesied. Most of the "ends of the earth" belong to Israel. North America, the British Isles, Northwest Europe, Scandinavia, South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand, which all may be considered "ends of the earth", and in these areas most people of Israelite descent, from the Ten Tribes, are to be found.
    CUT AND PASTE KA NA RIN HA, FERDIE?

    That is not proven! Besides, if those "Lost Tribes" still practice Judaism (which does not believe in Christ) they are not God's children (John 3:18), capisce?


    Saka ito Pilipinas di ba ang tinutukoy dito?

    Deuteronomy 33:17
    His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.
    I told you, ends of the earth is the present time and not a place! What that verse says is that God's glory will be seen till now (the ends of the earth)

    Deuteronomy 33:16 And for the precious things of the earth and fulness thereof, and for the good will of him that dwelt in the bush: let the blessing come upon the head of Joseph, and upon the top of the head of him that was separated from his brethren.

    17 His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.

  18. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    CUT AND PASTE KA NA RIN HA, FERDIE?

    That is not proven! Besides, if those "Lost Tribes" still practice Judaism (which does not believe in Christ) they are not God's children (John 3:18), capisce?
    Do you like cut and paste response? Binabasa mo ba?

    Ganito kasi ang istorya niyan kid. Israel is the adopted son of God, their are the elder son. Their job is to make God known to the world, to their little brother (gentile nations). But instead of doing their job they identified holiness by SEPARATING themselves from the gentiles. Then instead of being a good example, they became a bad example for their gentile nations. Since they don;t want to go to the gentile nations, God dispersed them and allowed them to be captives. The ten tribes is then mixed with 5 nations and then became the hated Samaritans. Through this dispersion God can then GATHER them along with the gentiles with them into His New Church, the New Jerusalem, the New Bride, The New Israel. Kaya nga sa chapter 5 nung Revelation when the content of the Scroll is opened, the mystery of God is revealed, that there is no more gentile or Jew, slaves or free, all are children of God.


    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    I told you, ends of the earth is the present time and not a place! What that verse says is that God's glory will be seen till now (the ends of the earth)

    Deuteronomy 33:16 And for the precious things of the earth and fulness thereof, and for the good will of him that dwelt in the bush: let the blessing come upon the head of Joseph, and upon the top of the head of him that was separated from his brethren.

    17 His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.
    So hindi mo maipaliwanag yung Deut. 22:16?

    Saka nasaan ang patunay mo na ang ends of the earth refers to time instead of the geographical extremities of the earth in reference to Jerusalem? Wala?

    Eto pa time din ba ang pinag-uusapan dito o geographical extremities in reference to Jerusalem?


    Job 28:23-25King James Version (KJV)

    23 God understandeth the way thereof, and he knoweth the place thereof.

    24 For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven;

    25 To make the weight for the winds; and he weigheth the waters by measure.


    Job 37:2-4King James Version (KJV)

    2 Hear attentively the noise of his voice, and the sound that goeth out of his mouth.

    3 He directeth it under the whole heaven, and his lightning unto the ends of the earth.

    4 After it a voice roareth: he thundereth with the voice of his excellency; and he will not stay them when his voice is heard.
    Last edited by Ferdinand; 4 days ago at 07:55 AM.

  19. #99
    Saka nasaan ang patunay mo na ang ends of the earth refers to time instead of the geographical extremities of the earth in reference to Jerusalem? Wala?
    Acts 1:6 So when the apostles were with Jesus, they kept asking him, “Lord, has the time come for you to free Israel and restore our kingdom?”

    7 He replied, “The Father alone has the authority to set those dates and times, and they are not for you to know. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you. And you will be my witnesses, telling people about me everywhere—in Jerusalem, throughout Judea, in Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

    Why is "ends of the earth" referring to the future (time) and not a place here? Because Christ's gospel will be told EVERYWHERE, not just the "extremeties of the world" that you are talking about!

  20. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdinand View Post
    Obvious ba na niloloko ka lang ng mga ministro mo? Di ba ang konteksto ay yung CAPTIVITY and RELEASE of ISRAEL from the major powers that oppressed them? Kaya iyan Isaiah has to be read in its historical context.
    That's correct but in two TIME FRAMES - during Cyrus' time and during the end time which is the present time.

    Cyrus was annointed by God (because he is pagan) to RELEASE the Israelites in captivity from Babylon.

    FYM, the bird of prey from the far east in the islands to pluck out God's children who are captives of the false religions (North & South)

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