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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdinand View Post
    So what am I again? A human being? A man?
    Yes, according to the dictionary that is the meaning of the word "person" kaya nga nagtataka ako bakit ina-apply nto rin yan sa God and Holy Spirit!

    Well I disagree with that, if my nature is flesh, what then of my soul or spirit?

    Spirit is LIFE which God takes back. Both man and animal has this spirit and so that is not a unique human nature.


    Ecclesiastes 12:7
    then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

    Ecclesiastes 3:19
    New International Version
    Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless.

    Soul is different from spirit. It animates the flesh and so when flesh dies, there is nothing it can do. It is not transferrable and it doesn't linger and so, in essence, it dies with the flesh. The soul is the inner thought, conscience and wisdom of man.

  2. #62
    荒れ狂う稲光のシェルミー skye_phoenix's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    By saying that, you are blaspheming the Holy Spirit, saying that the HS AY GUMAGABAY sa kasinungalingan!
    By saying that, YOU are blaspheming the Holy Spirit, saying that the Holy Spirit ay nagsisinungaling.

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Yes, according to the dictionary that is the meaning of the word "person" kaya nga nagtataka ako bakit ina-apply nto rin yan sa God and Holy Spirit!




    Spirit is LIFE which God takes back. Both man and animal has this spirit and so that is not a unique human nature.


    Ecclesiastes 12:7
    then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

    Ecclesiastes 3:19
    New International Version
    Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless.

    Soul is different from spirit. It animates the flesh and so when flesh dies, there is nothing it can do. It is not transferrable and it doesn't linger and so, in essence, it dies with the flesh. The soul is the inner thought, conscience and wisdom of man.
    Sabi ko naman sa iyo kid, hindi puwede yung basta basta ka na lang gagamit ng diksyunaryo, merong branch ng philosophy that deals with beings and existence. Kaya sa sagot mong iyan tlagang hindi nga tayo magkakaintindihan. Lawakan mo ang iyong pagbabasa, hindi yung puro INC brainwashing sources ang binabasa mo at yung mga sources lang na limited sa doktrina ninyo. If my person only consist of my flesh, then I cannot just use pronouns and like me and I and mine since my person is the element of soul and body and in your case soul, spirit and body since you believe in tripartite and Catholics are bipartite. So if my nature is just flesh, then I am not a complete person and I would say that I am not a person since nothing separates me from animals and plants

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdinand View Post
    Sabi ko naman sa iyo kid, hindi puwede yung basta basta ka na lang gagamit ng diksyunaryo, merong branch ng philosophy that deals with beings and existence. Kaya sa sagot mong iyan tlagang hindi nga tayo magkakaintindihan. Lawakan mo ang iyong pagbabasa, hindi yung puro INC brainwashing sources ang binabasa mo at yung mga sources lang na limited sa doktrina ninyo. If my person only consist of my flesh, then I cannot just use pronouns and like me and I and mine since my person is the element of soul and body and in your case soul, spirit and body since you believe in tripartite and Catholics are bipartite. So if my nature is just flesh, then I am not a complete person and I would say that I am not a person since nothing separates me from animals and plants

    Ang totoo, Ferdie, NAPAKARAMING INIMBENTO ng RCC para umayon sa mga false teachings niya, na inayunan din naman ng ilang protestant denominations. I go for the simple and general definition na APPLICABLE sa lahat at hindi lang sa exclusive RCC members!

    God's "image" that He gave man does not include His immortality although in the future, it was promised that those who are of Christ will gain the eternal life that Christ gained after the resurrection.

    Genesis 6:3
    New International Version
    Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years."

    ^There! Very clear, human (including his body, soul and spirit) is NOT immortal. The spirit or life that God gave man, goes back to Him!


    Ecclesiastes 12:7
    KJ21
    then shall the dust return to the earth as it was, and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

    Souls die with the flesh:

    Ezekiel 18:4
    English Standard Version
    Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.

    Psalm 119:25
    New American Standard Bible
    My soul cleaves to the dust; Revive me according to Your word.

    You place your trust in people who are clueless like you although they look and sound smart!

    1 Corinthians 1:19
    New International Version
    For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

    Isaiah 29:14
    Therefore behold, I will once again deal marvelously with this people, wondrously marvelous; And the wisdom of their wise men will perish, And the discernment of their discerning men will be concealed."

  5. #65
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    Iniligaw na ng kampon ni Satanas ang paksa lol. Ito ang nagdudumilat na katotohanan. DIOS LAMANG ANG DAPAT SAMBAHIN AYON SA ARAL NI CRISTO AT NG BIBLIA:

    8At si Jesus ay sumagot at sinabi sa kaniya, Nasusulat, Sa Panginoon mong Dios sasamba ka, at siya lamang ang iyong paglilingkuran. Lucas 4

    Kay KIDLAT puede kahit nilalang sambahin mo bilang Dios lalo na yung Cristong pinakikilala nilang tao:

    Kapag ang Diyos ay LUMALANG at INIUTOS Niya na ito ay sambahin, alam ng Diyos ang ginagawa Niya! Tanging si Cristo lang ang INIUTOS NG DIYOS NA SAMBAHIN NG LAHAT (MALIBAN SA KANYA, DIYOS).

    http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...1#post76565043

    Pag sinabi ni Cristo Dios LAMANG ang dapat sambahin at paglilingkuran - kay Kidlat di puede yun. Puede din yung NILALANG sambahin . So ano lumalabas? HINDI LAMANG DIOS ANG DAPAT SAMBAHIN sa aral nitong manlolokong ito. Ililigaw pa yung aral ni Cristo?

    So kung Dios lamang ang dapat sambahin, at ipinasasamba ng Ama si Cristo - ano ang ibig sabihin noon? Simpleng simple: si Cristo ay DIOS KASAMA NG AMA AT ESPRITO SANTO kaya ipinasasamba ng Ama at hindi tao sa kalikasan.

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post

    Ang totoo, Ferdie, NAPAKARAMING INIMBENTO ng RCC para umayon sa mga false teachings niya, na inayunan din naman ng ilang protestant denominations. I go for the simple and general definition na APPLICABLE sa lahat at hindi lang sa exclusive RCC members!

    God's "image" that He gave man does not include His immortality although in the future, it was promised that those who are of Christ will gain the eternal life that Christ gained after the resurrection.

    Genesis 6:3
    New International Version
    Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years."

    ^There! Very clear, human (including his body, soul and spirit) is NOT immortal. The spirit or life that God gave man, goes back to Him!


    Ecclesiastes 12:7
    KJ21
    then shall the dust return to the earth as it was, and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

    Souls die with the flesh:

    Ezekiel 18:4
    English Standard Version
    Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.

    Psalm 119:25
    New American Standard Bible
    My soul cleaves to the dust; Revive me according to Your word.

    You place your trust in people who are clueless like you although they look and sound smart!

    1 Corinthians 1:19
    New International Version
    For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

    Isaiah 29:14
    Therefore behold, I will once again deal marvelously with this people, wondrously marvelous; And the wisdom of their wise men will perish, And the discernment of their discerning men will be concealed."
    kaso kid hindi no naiintindihan na ang kalikasan ng tao ay TAO! Mamaya niyan ipipilit no na naman na flesh ang kalikasan ng tao. Ano ba ang kalikasan ng isda, isda ba o flesh?

  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post

    So kung Dios lamang ang dapat sambahin, at ipinasasamba ng Ama si Cristo - ano ang ibig sabihin noon? Simpleng simple: si Cristo ay DIOS KASAMA NG AMA AT ESPRITO SANTO kaya ipinasasamba ng Ama at hindi tao sa kalikasan.
    Maraming magko-conflict sa statement mong yan sa biblia, El Cid, kagaya ng "the Father is God ALONE" o sa tagalog IISA lang, hindi ISA, kundi IISA lang ang Diyos; ang Diyos ay HINDI TAO at ang tao AY HINDI DIYOS; Ang Diyos ay espiritu, si Cristo ay may laman at buto, bukod sa ipinanganak pa, GINAWA si Cristong mababa sa anghel noong una; si Cristo ay ginawang tao tulad ng mga kapatid Niya sa pananampalataya, etc. etc. etc.

    At bakit nga IPINASASAMBA NG AMA kung pantay-pantay sila??? At walang sinabi si Cristo at mga apostol Niya na Diyos si Cristo, ang sabi nila Servang ng Diyos si Cristo!

    Ang totoo at nasa HISTORY NA HINDI NA MAITATAGO NG RCC, ginawang mga Diyos si Cristo at ang ES sa konseho ng Nicea noong ikaapat na siglo!

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    Iniligaw na ng kampon ni Satanas ang paksa lol. Ito ang nagdudumilat na katotohanan. DIOS LAMANG ANG DAPAT SAMBAHIN AYON SA ARAL NI CRISTO AT NG BIBLIA:

    8At si Jesus ay sumagot at sinabi sa kaniya, Nasusulat, Sa Panginoon mong Dios sasamba ka, at siya lamang ang iyong paglilingkuran. Lucas 4

    Kay KIDLAT puede kahit nilalang sambahin mo bilang Dios lalo na yung Cristong pinakikilala nilang tao:

    Kapag ang Diyos ay LUMALANG at INIUTOS Niya na ito ay sambahin, alam ng Diyos ang ginagawa Niya! Tanging si Cristo lang ang INIUTOS NG DIYOS NA SAMBAHIN NG LAHAT (MALIBAN SA KANYA, DIYOS).

    http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...1#post76565043

    Pag sinabi ni Cristo Dios LAMANG ang dapat sambahin at paglilingkuran - kay Kidlat di puede yun. Puede din yung NILALANG sambahin . So ano lumalabas? HINDI LAMANG DIOS ANG DAPAT SAMBAHIN sa aral nitong manlolokong ito. Ililigaw pa yung aral ni Cristo?

    So kung Dios lamang ang dapat sambahin, at ipinasasamba ng Ama si Cristo - ano ang ibig sabihin noon? Simpleng simple: si Cristo ay DIOS KASAMA NG AMA AT ESPRITO SANTO kaya ipinasasamba ng Ama at hindi tao sa kalikasan.
    At nasan sa biblia na pinasasamba rin ng Father and HS???

  9. #69
    ^^^ Kid kaya nga kita inu-unti unti sa usapan para magkaintindihan tayo, gusto mo diretso na agad diyan, sa principles muna tayo. Ang SABI MO ang kalikasan ng tao ay "flesh", ano naman ang kalikasan ng isda? Ano naman ang kalikasan ng aso?

  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdinand View Post
    ^^^ Kid kaya nga kita inu-unti unti sa usapan para magkaintindihan tayo, gusto mo diretso na agad diyan, sa principles muna tayo. Ang SABI MO ang kalikasan ng tao ay "flesh", ano naman ang kalikasan ng isda? Ano naman ang kalikasan ng aso?
    Ang sabi sa biblia:

    1 Corinthians 15:38 But God gives it a body as He has designed, and to each kind of seed He gives its own body. 39 Not all flesh is the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another, and fish another. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. But the splendor of the heavenly bodies is of one degree, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is of another.

  11. #71
    Hindi ka naniniwala na Ang kalikasan ng tao ay TAO at ng isda ay isda?

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdinand View Post
    Hindi ka naniniwala na Ang kalikasan ng tao ay TAO at ng isda ay isda?
    Hanukaba, Ferdie!!! I just posted the bible verse, I BELIEVE that verse! Ano ba ang ibig mong sabihin? Hindi nga ba sabi dun ay IBA ang human flesh sa animal flesh sa fish flesh???

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Hanukaba, Ferdie!!! I just posted the bible verse, I BELIEVE that verse! Ano ba ang ibig mong sabihin? Hindi nga ba sabi dun ay IBA ang human flesh sa animal flesh sa fish flesh???
    So Hindi ka na naniniwala na ang kalikasan ng tao ay TAO at ang kalikasan ng isda ay isda at ang kalikasan ng Diyos ay Diyos?

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdinand View Post
    So Hindi ka na naniniwala na ang kalikasan ng tao ay TAO at ang kalikasan ng isda ay isda at ang kalikasan ng Diyos ay Diyos?
    Eto ang paniwala ko, based sa sinabi ng biblia sa aking pagkakaintindi:

    Ang kalikasan ng tao ay human flesh; ang kalikasan ng isda ay fish flesh at ang kalikasan ng Diyos ay Spirit, OK Ferdie?

  15. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Eto ang paniwala ko, based sa sinabi ng biblia sa aking pagkakaintindi:

    Ang kalikasan ng tao ay human flesh; ang kalikasan ng isda ay fish flesh at ang kalikasan ng Diyos ay Spirit, OK Ferdie?
    ok yun lang. INC doctrine ba yan o sa iyo lang?

  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdinand View Post
    ok yun lang. INC doctrine ba yan o sa iyo lang?
    We are taught by SENT men!

    Romans 10:15
    English Standard Version
    And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!”

  17. #77
    Hindi ko nakuha eh, doctrine ba ng INC iyan o sa iyo lang?

  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdinand View Post
    Hindi ko nakuha eh, doctrine ba ng INC iyan o sa iyo lang?
    Antagal-tagal na natin, Ferdie! Doktrina ng INC na ang Diyos ay espiritu at ang tao ay laman, BASE SA BIBLIA MISMO!

  19. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Antagal-tagal na natin, Ferdie! Doktrina ng INC na ang Diyos ay espiritu at ang tao ay laman, BASE SA BIBLIA MISMO!
    ANg ibig kong malaman ay kung doktrina ninyo na ang NATURE ng Diyos ay Espiritu at ang nature ng tao ay flesh? KAsi bap nature ang pinag-uusapan sa theology ang ibig sabihin ay yung essence = the basic, real, and invariable nature of a thing or its significant individual feature or features

    Mahirap kasing i- explain sa tagalog kaya eto kunin ko na lang sa New Advent.

    Essence is properly described as that whereby a thing is what it is, an equivalent of the to ti en einai of Aristotle (Metaph., VII, 7). The essence is thus the radical or ground from which the various properties of a thing emanate and to which they are necessarily referred. Thus the notion of the essence is seen to be the abstract counterpart of the concrete entity; the latter signifying that which is or may be (ens actu, ens potentiâ), while the former points to the reason or ground why it is precisely what it is. As furnishing in this manner an answer to the question What? (Quid?) — as, e.g., What is man? — essence is equivalent to quiddity; and thus, as St. Thomas remarks (I, Q. iii, a. 3), the essence of a thing is that which is expressed by its definition.

    Nature

    Essence and nature express the same reality envisaged in the two points of view as being or acting. As the essence is that whereby any given thing is that which it is, the ground of its characteristics and the principle of its being, so its nature is that whereby it acts as it does, the essence considered as the foundation and principle of its operation. Hence again St. Thomas: "Nature is seen to signify the essence of a thing according as it has relation to its proper operation" (De ente et essentia, cap. i)

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    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    At nasan sa biblia na pinasasamba rin ng Father and HS???
    Iniligaw na naman ang paksa ng kampon ni Satanas . Di makasagot sa nagdudumilat na katotohanan na ang pinasasamba ni Cristo DIOS LAMANG

    8At si Jesus ay sumagot at sinabi sa kaniya, Nasusulat, Sa Panginoon mong Dios sasamba ka, at siya lamang ang iyong paglilingkuran. Lucas 4

    Walang sinabi si Cristo na puede diyan kahit nilanag bug0k. Lamang ang sinabi - ONLY. Ibig sabihin wala ng ibang dapat sambahin. Paano mo ipipilit ngayon yung pagsamba sa pinakikilala niyong tao? Kung tao si Cristo hindi yan tatanggap ng pagsamba tulad ng mga apostol kahit sambahin mo pa. Bakit mo ngayon gagawin yung ipinagbabawal ni Cristo? Bug0k!

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