Christians should follow the 10% minimum for tithing: agree or disagree?

[Barakoman]

Personally, i dont think that it is applicable on our present generation.

Pag ang lahat ng Kristyano ay sumunod sa 10% Tithes nayan, siguradong maghihirap ang sa karamihan sa kanila, o babagal ang kanilang kabuhayan. Tulad ng iba sa mga kakilala ko, iba sa kanila ay hanggang ngayun ay nagre-rent parin ng apartment instead na makabili na ng bahay. Yung naman ay napilitang mag-lease ng kotse instead na mag-finance.

I conclude that its a false teaching by the Christian sects ever since they had bolted out from the evils of Catholic Church. Maybe kaya lang itinuro yan ng mga early Christians dahil they needed a new start after they bolted out from the RCC. (pero ngayun ay gusto naraw gayahin ng RCC sa pilipinas yang 10% tithes, naku siguradong maghihirap lalo ang pilipinas at yayaman ang VATICAN CITY!!!!!)

Isa pang hindi ko maintindihan dyan, kung ang isang myembro ay magbigay ng more than 10% ay tuwang tuwa ang simbahan, but personally i have no problem with this. But my point is, that 10% is not necessarily being followed. So what's the use of donating 10% Tithes?

Marami pa dyan na nagsasabi na naniniwala raw sila sa 10%, pero hindi naman sila nakakasunod doon.

So paano naman yung mga bagong Kristyano na nagkataon na lubog na sa utang at hindi kaya magbigay ng 10% sa simbahan?

I belong to a Baptist church pero hindi ako naniniwala dyan dahil sa mga kalagayan nayan tulad ng mga nabanggit ko. But i still BELIEVE that we should atleast give some and donate money to our church kahit na magkano.

At hanggang kung saan ang kaya natin ibigay then so be it, no matter if its 5, 10, or 90%. As what God said, blessed is the cheerful giver.

[abuGian]

It has to be taught but it is not compulsary. In fact the First Century Christians gave more than their 10%. What about this-century Christians?

Abraham gave his 10% even prior to the commandment about it.

Luke 6:38b *For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

[kartoonista]

This is all I have to say about tithing. Thank you.

[Ginataang_suso]

Originally posted by Barakoman

I conclude that its a false teaching by the Christian sects ever since they had bolted out from the evils of Catholic Church. Maybe kaya lang itinuro yan ng mga early Christians dahil they needed a new start after they bolted out from the RCC. (pero ngayun ay gusto naraw gayahin ng RCC sa pilipinas yang 10% tithes, naku siguradong maghihirap lalo ang pilipinas at yayaman ang VATICAN CITY!!!!!)

mod kariton, will you please restrain this guy from ad hominems, since his thread is all about tithing. what the hell my church have to do with his church tithing.

if he wants my share, he badly needs taming his tongue and all of his oald and rehash ignorant accusations.


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mr. barakoman, if you want to know about rcc tithing, check out the catholic encyclopaedia or any other parish near to you. the priest will surely accomodate you, even you're a protestant in the true spirit of ecumenism, but don't do ala mcarthy(lumen productions) on father chillson huh?!?

[Ginataang_suso]

oopsssss! wow mali!

[DoctorNO]

Tithing in the old testament constitutes the very taxes the people make. The New Testament clearly states the Christians should give as their heart desires.


In Canada total government taxes almost amount to 40% of your TOTAL income. Deducting another 10% from this would be too painful.

Besides if 10% is not compulsary then why the heck should pastors even preach it.

[abuGian]

We can give 40% to Cesar. We give less than 10% to God.

[Barakoman]

Originally posted by abuGian
It has to be taught but it is not compulsary. In fact the First Century Christians gave more than their 10%. What about this-century Christians?

Abraham gave his 10% even prior to the commandment about it.

Luke 6:38b *For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

That's my point, there is no more use to preach about 10% tithes. Because we cant just live with our past, and that teaching was a past one, an old fashion. Maybe during Jesus' time they really had to give 10%, but not now. Anyway, wala naman sa biblia na nakalagay na habang buhay tayo dapat magbigay ng sampung persyento.

In fact, many christians really doesn't agree with it and they all laid back every time they hear about that 10%.

Simply its not applicable in our present generation.

Just give as what your heart desire, as what the Bible says.......

[Barakoman]

Originally posted by Ginataang_suso


mod kariton, will you please restrain this guy from ad hominems, since his thread is all about tithing. what the hell my church have to do with his church tithing.

if he wants my share, he badly needs taming his tongue and all of his oald and rehash ignorant accusations.

IKAW huh pwede ba, itigil mo nayang malaswa mong bungangang walang alam kundi manggulo.

At anong pinagsasabi mong IGNORANT? Baka ikaw ang IGNORANTE dahil hanggang ngayon ay hindi mo pa alam yung mga EVILS of the RCC. Hmmp.


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mr. barakoman, if you want to know about rcc tithing, check out the catholic encyclopaedia or any other parish near to you. the priest will surely accomodate you, even you're a protestant in the true spirit of ecumenism, but don't do ala mcarthy(lumen productions) on father chillson huh?!?

First of all, as what I previously said, "I just heard about that...". Balita yan sa buong bayan na gagayahin naraw ng mga katoliko yung pagsingil ng 10% Tithes sa pilipinas. ok boy?

[Barakoman]

Originally posted by abuGian
We can give 40% to Cesar. We give less than 10% to God.

hmmm?

eto pa ang karamihan sa sinasabi ng ating mga pastor, kung hindi raw tayo makakapagbigay ng 10%, then its just between us and God. ang tono kasi eh parang tinatakot pa kami ng pastor. hmmm unang una, wala sa pera yan para sukatin ang ating pananampalataya, eh paano na yang mga mahihirap na walang pera? pero karamihan sa kanila ay mas malalapit sa Dios kesa sa mga mayayaman.

[Barakoman]

Originally posted by kartoonista
This is all I have to say about tithing. Thank you.

ayos.

pero di parin ako agree.

[abuGian]

Even if we give 10% all our lives we can never out give God who gives more than what we can possibly give.

Even if we give 10% all our lives we can never really give the 10% of what we had in totality.

If we give less than 10%, how come we give more to “Ceasar”?

Our 10% is a meager amount compared to what the poor widow of Mark 12:43 gave (by percentage).

I also notice that when Christians start to earn more, they tend to give less (by percentage).

I found myself free from financial burden when I started to give starting from the 10% mark. When I stopped, the financial burden beset me (because of the perversion taught by Soriano against tithing). But when I again began to give in the 10% mark, the financial burden went away. I realized we became a recipient of the promise of being the "head and not the tail."

[Barakoman]

Originally posted by abuGian
Even if we give 10% all our lives we can never out give God who gives more than what we can possibly give.

Even if we give 10% all our lives we can never really give the 10% of what we had in totality.

If we give less than 10%, how come we give more to “Ceasar”?

Our 10% is a meager amount compared to what the poor widow of Mark 12:43 gave (by percentage).

I also notice that when Christians start to earn more, they tend to give less (by percentage).

I found myself free from financial burden when I started to give starting from the 10% mark. When I stopped, the financial burden beset me (because of the perversion taught by Soriano against tithing). But when I again began to give in the 10% mark, the financial burden went away. I realized we became a recipient of the promise of being the "head and not the tail."

good for u and how lucky u r!

honestly, i agree to what youve just said. the more we give, the more we will be blessed (in short).

but the thing is, IF a person came out with no money on his pocket after he/she was baptized as a Christian, now how can he/she give 10% tithes if he/she cannot give? let say she's really broke, no more money to spare?

thats why there is no use to preach that 10%. but what they should been preaching was, give as what our heart desires and you will be blessed. as what God said, blessed is the cheerful giver, and the more u give the more u will blessed.....

isnt?

[Pam2001]

Sa church namin, tithing is being taught... pero it doesn't mean that it is a requirement for every member, & when we give our tithes, it doesn't mean that it should be 10% of our income- what matters is the condition of our hearts when we give. I believe that tithing is an expression of 2 things:

1. Acknowledging that God is the one who is providing all the blessings in our lives. All our blessings (e.g. Income) is His provision. Ano ba naman ang masama kung ishare natin sa Kanya ang 10% ng blessings natin? All we have is His', and bakit pati 10% ng pag-aari Nya ay ipagdadamot pa natin di ba?

2. It is also an expression of our trust in Him... trusting Him that He will provide for our future needs. I suggest, you read Malachi 3:8-12. Andito ang promise ng God kung pano Nya tayo lalong i-bless if we learn to give our tithes and offerings faithfully.

In addition to that,
God wants us to practice tithing in order to keep us away from the LUST OF MATERIAL THINGS, from the Love of MONEY (which is the root of all evil), and from greed...

For Mr. Barakoman, I hope, you will have time to analyze the way you communicate or better na rin ***** if you analyze yourself. Sometimes, your words are too harsh (especially for the RCC). I believe that the fruit of the Spirit is gentleness, kindness, goodness.... I'm not a RCC, I'm a Born Again Christian. pEACE TYO!

[abuGian]

Originally posted by Barakoman


good for u and how lucky u r!

honestly, i agree to what youve just said. the more we give, the more we will be blessed (in short).

but the thing is, IF a person came out with no money on his pocket after he/she was baptized as a Christian, now how can he/she give 10% tithes if he/she cannot give? let say she's really broke, no more money to spare?

thats why there is no use to preach that 10%. but what they should been preaching was, give as what our heart desires and you will be blessed. as what God said, blessed is the cheerful giver, and the more u give the more u will blessed.....

isnt?

It has nothing to do with luck. I believe a spiritual law is in effect here. If we sow ungrudgingly to God through his ministry, esp. past the 10% mark, we shall reap the blessings of financial liberty--not necessarily a winning lotto number .

In my example the poor widow of Mark 12:43 gave her all and was commended by Christ. We are not as poor as she was yet we give less (by percentage).

Therefore having less money is not an excuse to give less than the 10% mark.

[kartoonista]

Originally posted by Barakoman
ayos.

pero di parin ako agree.

What's so disagreeable about that? Si God na mismo yung nagsasalita dun.

[Barakoman]

Originally posted by Pam2001
Sa church namin, tithing is being taught... pero it doesn't mean that it is a requirement for every member, & when we give our tithes, it doesn't mean that it should be 10% of our income- what matters is the condition of our hearts when we give. I believe that tithing is an expression of 2 things:

1. Acknowledging that God is the one who is providing all the blessings in our lives. All our blessings (e.g. Income) is His provision. Ano ba naman ang masama kung ishare natin sa Kanya ang 10% ng blessings natin? All we have is His', and bakit pati 10% ng pag-aari Nya ay ipagdadamot pa natin di ba?

2. It is also an expression of our trust in Him... trusting Him that He will provide for our future needs. I suggest, you read Malachi 3:8-12. Andito ang promise ng God kung pano Nya tayo lalong i-bless if we learn to give our tithes and offerings faithfully.

In addition to that,
God wants us to practice tithing in order to keep us away from the LUST OF MATERIAL THINGS, from the Love of MONEY (which is the root of all evil), and from greed...

For Mr. Barakoman, I hope, you will have time to analyze the way you communicate or better na rin ***** if you analyze yourself. Sometimes, your words are too harsh (especially for the RCC). I believe that the fruit of the Spirit is gentleness, kindness, goodness.... I'm not a RCC, I'm a Born Again Christian. pEACE TYO!

ay nako salamat nalang sa rebuke mo. ang layo na nang topic mo uh? tsaka ang kulit mo rin ano? angkukulit ninyong mga katoto kong born agains, porket ba galit na ako ay wala na akong pagmamahal sa kapwa ko? sus. ang masama kung nagmumura ako. ano ngayun kung di ninyo makita ang gentleness ko dito sa net?

as what i said, im trying. so pls....

anyway, wala akong problema sa sinabi. ayan din ang tinuturo ng simabahan ko. tama ka dyan.

but u didnt see my point of view here. listen, if people gives more or less than 10%, then whats the use of mentioning that 10% tithes? well sure pstors can mention 10% tithes but they shoudnt teach us to give 10%, INSTEAD, simply teach us to give tithes just as what the RCC practices. ANYWAY, protestants were all from the RCC, so originally, we should just give what we can, at walang pwersahan.

therefore, u r agree with the 10% tithes. me still no.

[Barakoman]

Originally posted by kartoonista

What's so disagreeable about that? Si God na mismo yung nagsasalita dun.

sheesh. the thing is, wala syang sinabi na habang buhay tayo na dapat magbigay ng 10%. di rin naman nya sinabing dapat magdamot tayo.

hmmm, paglahat tayo ay magbigay ng exactly or more than 10%, lahat tayo ay maghihirap. kaya nga hindi applicable, basta kung ano ang kaya ng tao, yun yun. syempre, hahayaan mo bang magutom ang pamilya mo? nope.

[Barakoman]

Originally posted by abuGian


It has nothing to do with luck. I believe a spiritual law is in effect here. If we sow ungrudgingly to God through his ministry, esp. past the 10% mark, we shall reap the blessings of financial liberty--not necessarily a winning lotto number .

In my example the poor widow of Mark 12:43 gave her all and was commended by Christ. We are not as poor as she was yet we give less (by percentage).

Therefore having less money is not an excuse to give less than the 10% mark.

Abugian, you are living in the past. Parekoy, iba na ang takbo ng buhay ngayon, hindi na simple. So dont rely too much on Mark 12:43.

Well siguro ang iba sa atin dito ay na-born again spiritually na may kaya na, di tulad ko, taghirap ako nun. Pero unti-unti akong nagbibigay na mas malaki. Although talaga minsan ay may mga priority ako sa buhay, tulad ng pagbili ng diaphers, more fruits to eat, bahay para sa future ng aming mga anak, at kung anu-ano pa.

Naghumpisa ako sa hirap kaya nga blessing rin yung ibinigay sa akin ng Panginoon na magandang trabaho at tamang tama lang ang sweldo para sa pamilya ko.

See? Nagbigay ba ako ng 10% noon? Mga katoto, pag ako nagbigay ng 10% nun, wala na akong maipapadala sa pinas na pera para sa asawa ko at panganay ko noong nandoon pa sila. Plus hindi na ako makakabili ng very reliable car dahil kailangan ko yun sa trabaho. And lastly, napakababa ng sweldo ko noon prior to my present job. Whew kung alam nyo lang.

God bless!

[Pam2001]

Mr. Barakoman:
Hindi ako agree sa 10%, at hindi rin ako disagree... Like what I've said earlier, when we give our tithes, it doesn't mean that it should be 10% of our income- what matters is the condition of our hearts when we give.

Giving 5% wholeheartedly is more honorable in the eyes of God, than giving a 10% or 20% na sapilitan lang naman.

God bless!