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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by rambler View Post
    If a 'christian' commits a serious offense like that, I am 200% sure he or she is not saved and has never been saved. The 'conversion' experience he or she had was a fluke, perhaps only an emotional experience and nothing else.

    Why? Because Jude 1:24 says that Jesus keeps true Christians from "stumbling" and will present them to the Father "faultless" pag dating ng panahon.

    The whole of Romans 8 details the promises to true believers. Take time to read it.

    It's only by His grace that we are saved, and it's only by His grace that salvation is secure with Him for eternity.
    TAINTED AND TRUE CHRISTIANITY


    1. TAINTED CHRISTIANITY claims competence to interpret the word of God. The result is division into denominations. The establishment of Seminaries and Bible Schools, an "addition" to the word of God, for each sect aggravates the division. Confusion therefore is evident from the claim of TRUTH by each denomination. Human reasoning and passion are the cause for this incident.

    TRUE CHRISTIANITY professes incompetence to perceive the message of the word of God. Therefore it preaches humility to obtain God's mercy for wisdom to understand His words.

    2. TAINTED CHRISTIANITY, for reliance on human capability to understand the word of God, fails to identify God of the Old and New Testament. Often heard when asked about the clear identity of the One True God is the plausible excuse, "It is impossible to identify the infinite God with the finite mind of man.

    TRUE CHRISTIANITY, by virtue of total trust in God for divine wisdom, is endowed with a clear perception of the identity of the One True God of the Holy Bible. This is the great spiritual miracle that God is endowing His chosen.

    3. TAINTED CHRISTIANITY is overly concerned with the construction of chapels, churches and cathedrals where sect leaders are distinguished and looked up by the laity.

    In TRUE CHRISTIANITY Christ and His disciples never built physical structures or edifices but rather produced spiritual temples by preaching the TRUTH in the word of God.

    4. TAINTED CHRISTIANITY preaches easy way of salvation. No wonder chapels, churches and cathedrals are teeming with people thinking that number is the gauge for the TRUTH.

    TRUE CHRISTIANITY recognizes difficulty and hardness of salvation. While God is ready to pour His mercy, only a few people truly humble themselves as to be gifted with FAITH.

    5. TAINTED CHRISTIANITY, while professing belief in the immutability of God, cannot comprehend the immutability of His words whilst the Lord is being represented thereto. Thus it teaches amendments and irrelevance of some word of God, which is tantamount to "deduction," failing to perceive the realization of the TRUTH in Matthew 5:17 and Rev. 22:19. Thus it teaches that that some Old Testament laws, stories, and incidents are no longer applicable or relevant in the New Testament.

    TRUE CHRISTIANITY, by virtue of the divine revelation of TRUTH, unfolds the immutability of God through the immutability of His words. Thus, Old Testament laws are seen to be equally applicable during the time of Christ, in the future as they are NOW, and this is not based on human wisdom but on God's divulgement of the spiritual meaning of His words. God's words are like prophecies that are fulfilled ALL THE TIME. Thus, only God can interpret His words through His words (2 Peter 1:20).

    6. TAINTED CHRISTIANITY puts the BODY over the SOUL, while preaching salvation for the latter. The inveiglement or bait to embrace the doctrines of denominations is chartered on the physical-material benefit from the word of God. These are the "miracles" purportedly coming from God through His words.

    TRUE CHRISTIANITY clearly recognizes Christ's statement in John 6:63, "the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit." The life of the Apostle's, the foundation of FAITH ( Ephesians 2:20), is a demonstration of this TRUTH. Never is there anything written about them where they received miracles benefiting the body.

    7.TAINTED CHRISTIANITY teaches prayer the same way as other religions, Islam, Buddhism, etc. do. But that is how human wisdom perceives the word of God on the subject. How could it be followed with the command, "Pray without ceasing?"

    TRUE CHRISTIANITY follows the way of the Apostles as they saw this in the life of our Lord Jesus Christ. True prayer and worship is spiritual realationship with God through His words. Thus, genuine praise for God is lifting up of His words. Prayer as it is known should be be the manifestation of this divine relationship (Psalms 56:10).

    8. TAINTED CHRISTIANITY cannot sustain without the literal application of the Law on tithes and offerings. The Apostles, following the WAY shown by Jesus Christ, did not preach the law in the manner that is being applied using human understanding. Nowhere in the Gospels and Epistles can we find Paul and the other Apostles made preaching as a profession or full time job.

    TRUE CHRISTIANITY follows the law on tithes the Way Jesus Christ and the Apostles preached and applied it. It is SPIRITUAL and not literal-physical. The spread of the TRUTH in the word of God is the responsibility of God using His chosen servants as instruments. This was seen in Jonah, but it is not literal-physical as the Natural Man (1 Corinthians 2:14) understands it.

    9. TAINTED CHRISTIANITY follows the Pastoral System where religious leaders and their appointees act as steerman or guides for the laity.

    TRUE CHRISTIANITY recognizes God's sole authority to teach. His servants act only as His mouthpiece.

  2. #62
    ^at diyan nagsasasara ang topic ng thread

    anyway, hirit pa ko onti.

    Quote Originally Posted by Archimedes View Post
    Pang-tamad pa rin yan. Wala namang pakialam ang mga tamad sa reward basta nag-enjoy na rin sila sa buhay nila
    may parusa ka parin pag dating ni Lord, kahit saved ka pa.

    kasi gusto ni Lord, lahat ng Kristiano e magpantay pantay ng spiritualidad, kaya pag balik Niya, sisiguraduhin Niya na maabot ni tamad na Kristiano ang maturity ng mga nakakuha ng reward. Gigisahin ni Lord ang mga tamad, didisiplinahin, parang uling na dinadaan sa matinding init para maging diamante.

    mas matindi ang hirap sa araw na yun para maging mature, kaya ngayon palang kelangan nating magsipag, mag-"labor" ika nga ni Pablo.

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    you believe that a person is only saved if he accepted jeeezus and endures to the end. not like me who accepted jeeezus but did not endure. kayat i wasnt saved in the first place. correct?
    maybe that's what you think.

    we don't know what the Lord is planning for you, bilog ang bola. malay mo mapatunayan Niya na hindi fabrication ang iniisip mong fabrication.

    you wait and see. actually, tingin ko mas madali kang mabingwit uli, kasi may kargada ka na eh

    do I think you are saved? well I believe you are saved, because you believed in Him with your whole being like you said, and God responded to it, it's just that along the way, you back-slid, it's quite common, sometimes it's essential.

    Quote Originally Posted by rambler View Post
    Maraming ganyan, inaccept daw si Jesus, kahit sa church namin may ganyan. Pero I don't think they have truly accepted Him on a spiritual level.

    Romans 10:9 says that if you believe in your heart - meaning, true conversion is a collusion of the heart and the mind, which I'm sure have never happened to you. Judgmental? Just stating facts, dear.
    The heart is what connects the soul and the spirit, it's the gate from mundane to the spiritual realm, that's why Christ urges us to "open our hearts".

    who knows the heart of men? Only God knows the heart of men, that is why we really don't know if another person is saved, we can only believe and hope, and try to gain them again, and again, no matter what, without failing, and with all perseverance.

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by john 5:39 View Post
    God's isaiah 28:10 reveals HIS name
    upon the converted little children's
    spiritual baptism:



    math 28: 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations,
    baptizing them in the name of the Father,
    and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost
    :

    20 Teaching them to observe all things
    whatsoever I have commanded you
    : and,
    lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of
    the world
    . Amen.

    acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent,
    and be baptized every one of you in the name
    of Jesus Christ
    for the remission of sins,
    and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


    GOD's written Words For HIS spiritually converted little children to
    enter HIS Kingdom.

    john 3:3 "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God
    unless he is BORN AGAIN."

    Written GOD's Words that must be discerned in spirit for they
    straightforwardly stated that by being solely "born again" would
    only let a man see the kingdom of GOD.


    In reality, Nicodemus a well known teacher of the law those times
    was at a lost on how to understand what our Lord JESUS CHRIST
    said unto him.


    john 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old?
    can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

    Not being led by the contextual flow of GOD's Words, Nicodemus
    was rebuked:


    john 3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

    john 3:10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel,
    and knowest not these things?

    Our Lord continue further and declared the keys to enter
    HIS Kingdom.


    john 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man
    be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the
    kingdom of God
    .


    matt 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye
    be converted, and become as little children, ye shall
    not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    john 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that
    which is born of the Spirit is spirit.


    GOD's isaiah 28:10 paved the way for a clear
    Spiritual revelations from HIS written Words
    to enter HIS Kingdom.

    psalm 56:10

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Jagon View Post
    ^at diyan nagsasasara ang topic ng thread

    anyway, hirit pa ko onti.



    may parusa ka parin pag dating ni Lord, kahit saved ka pa.

    kasi gusto ni Lord, lahat ng Kristiano e magpantay pantay ng spiritualidad, kaya pag balik Niya, sisiguraduhin Niya na maabot ni tamad na Kristiano ang maturity ng mga nakakuha ng reward. Gigisahin ni Lord ang mga tamad, didisiplinahin, parang uling na dinadaan sa matinding init para maging diamante.

    mas matindi ang hirap sa araw na yun para maging mature, kaya ngayon palang kelangan nating magsipag, mag-"labor" ika nga ni Pablo.



    maybe that's what you think.

    we don't know what the Lord is planning for you, bilog ang bola. malay mo mapatunayan Niya na hindi fabrication ang iniisip mong fabrication.

    you wait and see. actually, tingin ko mas madali kang mabingwit uli, kasi may kargada ka na eh

    do I think you are saved? well I believe you are saved, because you believed in Him with your whole being like you said, and God responded to it, it's just that along the way, you back-slid, it's quite common, sometimes it's essential.

    hay naku!


    in short, it's the same banana!


    faith + works din pala dami pang paliguy ligoy!

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by attackmode View Post
    hay naku!


    in short, it's the same banana!


    faith + works din pala dami pang paliguy ligoy!
    but we are talking about being save in eternity.

    sa RC, pag di ka nag-work, you will end up NOT saved in eternity = LAKE OF FIRE
    pero sa once saved always saved, pag di ka nag work, saved ka parin in eternity, yun nga lang, may parusa ka, pero save parin, walang LAKE OF FIRE.

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Jagon View Post
    but we are talking about being save in eternity.

    sa RC, pag di ka nag-work, you will end up NOT saved in eternity = LAKE OF FIRE
    pero sa once saved always saved, pag di ka nag work, saved ka parin in eternity, yun nga lang, may parusa ka, pero save parin, walang LAKE OF FIRE.
    anong parusa?

  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    anong parusa?
    The outer darkness in Matt. 8:12

    says there that it is an outer darkness. it's the outside of the kingdom of glory full of light during the millennial kingdom. where weeping (regret) and gnashing of teeth (self blame) will take place for happy go lucky christians.

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Jagon View Post
    The outer darkness in Matt. 8:12

    says there that it is an outer darkness. it's the outside of the kingdom of glory full of light during the millennial kingdom. where weeping (regret) and gnashing of teeth (self blame) will take place for happy go lucky christians.
    ano iyan parang purgatory?


    jews did believe in purgatory. but they did not believe in eternal punishment.

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Jagon View Post
    The outer darkness in Matt. 8:12

    says there that it is an outer darkness. it's the outside of the kingdom of glory full of light during the millennial kingdom. where weeping (regret) and gnashing of teeth (self blame) will take place for happy go lucky christians.
    Ang "kingdom of glory" ay ang iglesia, samakatuwid, ang "outside of the kingdom of glory" ay outside of the church of Christ. The church is "full of light" o kalinawan ng katotohanan!

    At oo, tulad noong panahon ni Noah, nang pumapatak na ang malakas na ulan at nalaman ng tao ang katotohanan sa mga sinasabi ni Noah ay nagsara na ang pinto ng arko at wala nang makapasok. Nang mapatunayan ang katotohanan ay HULI NA kaya may "gnashing of the teeth" due to remorse and regret! Kaya habang bukas pa ang pinto ng iglesia ay makinig kayo, fwends!

  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Ang "kingdom of glory" ay ang iglesia, samakatuwid, ang "outside of the kingdom of glory" ay outside of the church of Christ. The church is "full of light" o kalinawan ng katotohanan!

    At oo, tulad noong panahon ni Noah, nang pumapatak na ang malakas na ulan at nalaman ng tao ang katotohanan sa mga sinasabi ni Noah ay nagsara na ang pinto ng arko at wala nang makapasok. Nang mapatunayan ang katotohanan ay HULI NA kaya may "gnashing of the teeth" due to remorse and regret! Kaya habang bukas pa ang pinto ng iglesia ay makinig kayo, fwends!
    sino ba iyung "children of the kingdom"?

  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    sino ba iyung "children of the kingdom"?
    Kapag sinabing "children of the kingdom", yan nga ay mga anak ng Diyos na nasa loob ng bayan Niya o sa loob ng iglesiang katawan ni Cristo. SUBALI'T, hindi porke nasa loob ng iglesia ay ligtas na! Merong mga masusuwaying anak at ito ay unang nakita sa unang Bayan ng Diyos, ang Israel.

    Isaiah 1:4
    New Living Translation
    Oh, what a sinful nation they are--loaded down with a burden of guilt. They are evil people, corrupt children who have rejected the LORD. They have despised the Holy One of Israel and turned their backs on him.

    How did they become "corrupted children" and "reject the LORD God"?

    Nehemiah 1:7
    "We have acted very corruptly against You and have not kept the commandments, nor the statutes, nor the ordinances which You commanded Your servant Moses.

    Samakatuwid, ang pagiging corrupt at pagre-reject sa Diyos ay sa pamamagitan ng HINDI PAGSUNOD sa mga kautusan ng Diyos o DISOBEDIENCE!

    Ang mga "anak ng Diyos" na hindi sumunod sa mga kautusan ng Diyos ang mga ito na ITINAPON SA KADILIMAN!

    Sa iglesia ay nangyayari ito ngayon sa pamamagitan ng mga miembro ng iglesia na natitiwalag dahil sa pagrerebelde sa pangangasiwa. Hindi nila sinusunod ang kautusan ng Diyos na igalang at pagtiwalaan ang Pangangasiwang inilagay ng Diyos. Sila ay LUBUSAN NANG PINAGDIMLAN ng pag-iisip at natapon na sa kadiliman ng sanlibutan! Sa kanilang isip ay sila ang tama nguni't darating ang araw na makikita nila ang katotohanan subali't huli na para sa kanila dahil hindi na sila makakabalik sa loob!

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Jagon
    kasi gusto ni Lord, lahat ng Kristiano e magpantay pantay ng spiritualidad, kaya pag balik Niya, sisiguraduhin Niya na maabot ni tamad na Kristiano ang maturity ng mga nakakuha ng reward. Gigisahin ni Lord ang mga tamad, didisiplinahin, parang uling na dinadaan sa matinding init para maging diamante.

    mas matindi ang hirap sa araw na yun para maging mature, kaya ngayon palang kelangan nating magsipag, mag-"labor" ika nga ni Pablo.
    On the contrary, ang paggigisa ay BAGO dumating si Lord Jesus Christ, at ang "gigisahin", sabi mo nga, ay HINDI ang mga indibiduwal kundi ang IGLESIA mismo o KALIPUNAN ng mga sangkap ng katawan ni Cristo (ang bawa't indibiduwal ay SANGKAP) sapagka't pupuruhin itong parang ginto sa pamamagitan ng pagdadaan dito sa APOY o maraming pagsubok at paghihirap. Pagdadaan sa apoy ang paraan ng pagpupuro sa ginto.

    Pagkatapos nito ay IPEPRESENTA ang walang dungis na bride kay Cristo na groom. Hindi iyong sa pagbabalik pa ni Cristo ang "paggigisa"!

    Ephesians 5:27
    New Living Translation
    He did this to present her to himself as a glorious church without a spot or wrinkle or any other blemish. Instead, she will be holy and without fault.

    At ano ang sabi ng biblia tungkol sa TAMAD?

    Proverbs 18:9
    International Standard Version
    Whoever is lazy regarding his work is also a brother to the master of destruction.

    Sa tingin mo, ililigtas ni Cristo ang mga "tamad"???

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Jagon View Post
    The outer darkness in Matt. 8:12

    says there that it is an outer darkness. it's the outside of the kingdom of glory full of light during the millennial kingdom. where weeping (regret) and gnashing of teeth (self blame) will take place for happy go lucky christians.
    yung mga christians na rapist dyan mapupunta?! regrets and self blame ang makukuha nila? sigurado ka bang magsisisi o sisisihin nila ang sarili nila kung wala namang parusa?! baka tawanan ka lang ng mga hayup na yun.

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Kapag sinabing "children of the kingdom", yan nga ay mga anak ng Diyos na nasa loob ng bayan Niya o sa loob ng iglesiang katawan ni Cristo. SUBALI'T, hindi porke nasa loob ng iglesia ay ligtas na! Merong mga masusuwaying anak at ito ay unang nakita sa unang Bayan ng Diyos, ang Israel.
    so bakit....

    But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into the exterior darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    iyan ba ang sinasabi mong israel?

  15. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    so bakit....

    But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into the exterior darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    iyan ba ang sinasabi mong israel?
    Ang sinasabi ko ay noong Israel pa lamang ang bayan ng Diyos ay matigas na talaga ang ulo ng mga anak Niya:

    Ezekiel 3:7
    New American Standard Bible
    yet the house of Israel will not be willing to listen to you, since they are not willing to listen to Me. Surely the whole house of Israel is stubborn and obstinate.

    Exodus 34:9
    New Living Translation
    Then the LORD said, "I have seen how stubborn and rebellious these people are.

    Ang mga "children of the Kingdom", ito yung tumalikod or nag-apostasize na mga miembro ng original na iglesia ni Cristo noong first century:

    2 Peter 2:1
    New Living Translation
    But there were also false prophets in Israel, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will cleverly teach destructive heresies and even deny the Master who bought them. In this way, they will bring sudden destruction on themselves.

    2 Corinthians 11:13
    For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ.

    Galatians 2:4
    This issue arose because some false brothers were brought in under false pretenses to spy on our freedom in Christ Jesus, in order to enslave us.

    So these people, God has cast them out to the "exterior darkness" meaning they no longer have the truth and the light inside the true church. The bible even gave a clue as to which church this became:

    1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons, 2 influenced by the hypocrisy of liars, whose consciences are seared with a hot iron. 3 They will prohibit marriage and require abstinence from meats that God has created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.…

  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    ano iyan parang purgatory?

    jews did believe in purgatory. but they did not believe in eternal punishment.
    there is no such thing as purgatory.
    but there is such a place as Hades.

    Hades is where all dead men go. it is of 2 parts, the paradise and the suffering part, this 2 parts is in one place but is separated by a chasm. All bad and unsaved people go this suffering place, all saved people good or bad, and all unsaved people who are good people will go to the paradise part. Check the lazarus and the rich man story, it's all there.

    The outer darkness is different, this only happens during millennial kingdom, since all saved people was given a promise of not thrown into the lake of fire, and also since they are bad christians they do not qualify to enjoy the riches of the Heavenly kingdom. So where are they placed? they are placed outside the kingdom, but they are not burning in hell. Since the kingdom is full of light, outside of it is full of darkness, hence outer darkness.

    check the 10 virgins parable, it's basically the same, 5 of them foolish, 5 prudent, why not 3 and 7? why 5 and 5?
    and why 10?
    5 = 4 +1, 4 signifies man, 1 signifies God, meaning that each 5 are believers, 5 foolish believers and 5 prudent believers.

    and what happened to the foolish believers in the end? they remained OUTSIDE, and the doors were shut.
    same with the outer darkness, during the millennial kingdom, the wedding party of Christ, some believers will not reach the party, and will remain outside.

    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    On the contrary, ang paggigisa ay BAGO dumating si Lord Jesus Christ, at ang "gigisahin", sabi mo nga, ay HINDI ang mga indibiduwal kundi ang IGLESIA mismo o KALIPUNAN ng mga sangkap ng katawan ni Cristo (ang bawa't indibiduwal ay SANGKAP) sapagka't pupuruhin itong parang ginto sa pamamagitan ng pagdadaan dito sa APOY o maraming pagsubok at paghihirap. Pagdadaan sa apoy ang paraan ng pagpupuro sa ginto.

    Pagkatapos nito ay IPEPRESENTA ang walang dungis na bride kay Cristo na groom. Hindi iyong sa pagbabalik pa ni Cristo ang "paggigisa"!

    Ephesians 5:27
    New Living Translation
    He did this to present her to himself as a glorious church without a spot or wrinkle or any other blemish. Instead, she will be holy and without fault.
    Luke 19:22 He said to him, Out of your mouth I will judge you, wicked slave. You knew that I am a harsh man, withdrawing what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow.

    the slaves are believers. at that time when the Lord comes back, He will judge His slaves.

    Matt 25:30 And cast out the useless slave into the outer darkness. In that place there will be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth.

    They will be thrown to the outer darkness, NOT hell, NOT lake of fire.



    Quote Originally Posted by attackmode View Post
    yung mga christians na rapist dyan mapupunta?! regrets and self blame ang makukuha nila? sigurado ka bang magsisisi o sisisihin nila ang sarili nila kung wala namang parusa?! baka tawanan ka lang ng mga hayup na yun.
    oo magsisisi sila, sige ilagay ka sa isang lugar na madilim tapos wala kang ibang magawa magisa ka lang, 1000 years.
    baka isang araw palang magrereklamo ka na e

  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Jagon View Post
    oo magsisisi sila, sige ilagay ka sa isang lugar na madilim tapos wala kang ibang magawa magisa ka lang, 1000 years.
    baka isang araw palang magrereklamo ka na e
    ok, sayo ko lang narinig yan outer darkness na yan outside hell, pero teachings ba yan ng born again christians sayo lang yan? im not saying na mali ang interpretation mo pwede naman na tama ang interpretation mo at mali sila, di naman paramihan yan, gusto ko lang malaman kung official stand o unanimous ang born again christians dyan?

  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by attackmode View Post
    ok, sayo ko lang narinig yan outer darkness na yan outside hell, pero teachings ba yan ng born again christians sayo lang yan? im not saying na mali ang interpretation mo pwede naman na tama ang interpretation mo at mali sila, di naman paramihan yan, gusto ko lang malaman kung official stand o unanimous ang born again christians dyan?

    I only believe on what the Bible says not what tradition says.

  19. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon
    On the contrary, ang paggigisa ay BAGO dumating si Lord Jesus Christ, at ang "gigisahin", sabi mo nga, ay HINDI ang mga indibiduwal kundi ang IGLESIA mismo o KALIPUNAN ng mga sangkap ng katawan ni Cristo (ang bawa't indibiduwal ay SANGKAP) sapagka't pupuruhin itong parang ginto sa pamamagitan ng pagdadaan dito sa APOY o maraming pagsubok at paghihirap. Pagdadaan sa apoy ang paraan ng pagpupuro sa ginto.

    Pagkatapos nito ay IPEPRESENTA ang walang dungis na bride kay Cristo na groom. Hindi iyong sa pagbabalik pa ni Cristo ang "paggigisa"!

    Ephesians 5:27
    New Living Translation
    He did this to present her to himself as a glorious church without a spot or wrinkle or any other blemish. Instead, she will be holy and without fault.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jagon
    Luke 19:22 He said to him, Out of your mouth I will judge you, wicked slave. You knew that I am a harsh man, withdrawing what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow.

    the slaves are believers. at that time when the Lord comes back, He will judge His slaves.

    Matt 25:30 And cast out the useless slave into the outer darkness. In that place there will be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth.

    You are talking about the Parable of the Talents. This story is about PREPARATION for the Coming of the Master so they will already be JUDGED accordingly when He comes.. Judgment is FINAL and will not put men in "limbo or purification" or paggigisa for a thousand years. You are understanding this wrongly, my friend!


    Quote Originally Posted by Jagon
    They will be thrown to the outer darkness, NOT hell, NOT lake of fire.
    Seems like the doctrine of Purgatory still! There are only 2 places where men can go after being judged: Holy City (more popularly known as Heaven) OR Lake of Fire (more popularly known as Hell) - nowhere else!

    Matthew 25:32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will place the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world

    Matthew 25:41 Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.…

    NOTHING IN BETWEEN!


    As I said already, the "outer darkness" you are referring to is OUTSIDE OF THE TRUE CHURCH! Not a frying pan where you can gisa-gisa!

  20. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    You are talking about the Parable of the Talents. This story is about PREPARATION for the Coming of the Master so they will already be JUDGED accordingly when He comes.. Judgment is FINAL and will not put men in "limbo or purification" or paggigisa for a thousand years. You are understanding this wrongly, my friend!
    no, the talents parable is different. This is the 10 virgin parable.

    understand that the millennial kingdom is like a huge wedding banquet, everyone in is going to rejoice and savor their rewards for 1000 years.

    Seems like the doctrine of Purgatory still! There are only 2 places where men can go after being judged: Holy City (more popularly known as Heaven) OR Lake of Fire (more popularly known as Hell) - nowhere else!

    Matthew 25:32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will place the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world

    Matthew 25:41 Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.…

    NOTHING IN BETWEEN!


    As I said already, the "outer darkness" you are referring to is OUTSIDE OF THE TRUE CHURCH! Not a frying pan where you can gisa-gisa!
    "outside the true church" cannot be, because the parable is talking about the "coming back" of the master, hence this refers to the end days.

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