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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    so bakit mas asenso bansa ng mga born again? ever heard of the PROTESTANT WORK ETHIC?
    kaya nga umasenso dahil sa kanilang business work ethic, pero when it comes to practice of faith, pang-tamad lang talaga yang OSAS

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    ^Pangtamad, eh kaya pala ang mga true believers ang masigasig sa pagpapalaganap ng Salita ng Diyos. I'm sure kapag nireview na sa langit ang lahat ng nangyari dito sa lupa, makikita na ang mga Kristiyano ang talagang nagtrabaho para sa kaharian ng Diyos at nagkawang-gawa. Nati-take for granted lang kasi hindi mahilig magbuhat ng bangko..nandoon sa mga liblib na lugar ng Mindanao o India o China..laboring to spread the gospel. O sige, I'm going to toot my own horn for the sake of argument: kapag nilista ko dito ang mga nagawa ko para sa Panginoon, siguro tameme ang mga guys here. I'm not trying to brag, just for argument lang.

    That's the paradox of Christianity:

    1. Salvation is by faith alone, but Christians are the ones with loads of good works to back up their faith.
    2. Christians believe that the social gospel (helping the poor and the needy) is secondary only to the main gospel of salvation, but Christians are the ones who have reached out to the poor and the needy.

    Parang conservatives vs. liberals lang yan eh. Ang mga liberals daw ay may malasakit sa marginalized ng society, pero ang totoo, ayon sa sangkatutak na studies, ang conservatives talaga ang nagbibigay sa charity. Conservatives put their money where their mouth is.

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    Ang Eternal Security, hindi maiintindihan ng unregenerated minds yan. Hinding-hindi nila magegets kung bakit ang mga believers during the Church Age ay minarkahan na ng Panginoong Diyos (2 Corinthians 1:22) bilang tanda ng pagmamay-ari Niya sa kanila.

    Eternal Security is unique to the Church Age or Age of Grace. Kaya kahit si King David ay nagsumamo sa Diyos na huwag kunin ang Holy Spirit sa kanya. (Psalm 51:11) The rapture is the event that would give justice to the doctrine of eternal security.

    After the rapture, balik uli sa Old Testament timeline. Walang eternal security. Kaya ang warning sa mga tao na maiiwan dito ay, "He who endures to the end will be saved." (Matthew 24:13) That means, wag na wag magpapamarka ng mark of the beast even to the point of death otherwise yari ka.
    Last edited by rambler; May 5, 2017 at 06:00 AM.

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    Ang Church or ang Bride, planado na yan bago pa man lalangin ang mundo. Regalo ng Ama sa Anak yan.

    "And this is the will of Him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day. (John 6:39)

    Jesus will never lose those souls given to Him by the Father.

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by rambler View Post

    Parang conservatives vs. liberals lang yan eh. Ang mga liberals daw ay may malasakit sa marginalized ng society, pero ang totoo, ayon sa sangkatutak na studies, ang conservatives talaga ang nagbibigay sa charity. Conservatives put their money where their mouth is.
    ang conservatives din ang mahilig manggera!

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Archimedes View Post
    Yang OSAS na yan ay para lang sa mga Kristiyanong TAMAD!
    once you are saved, you need to labor for the reward. you may be saved, but it won't be rewarding in the end if you take it for granted.

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    kung ok lang pala magkasala eh bakit mabubuting tao pa rin ang mga born again christians?

    tignan mo na lang si rambler miski nakakabwiset eh di naman palamura at di nangiinsulto tulad nating lahat!
    si rambler ang may pinakachristianong values sa inyong lahat!
    just shows that salvation is personal (not "personalized" as some atheists like to equivocate), ako palamura ako.

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    sa totoo lang OSAS IS JUST A GIMMICK

    in truth and in practice, born again christians believe that a christians need to live a faithful and righteous life in order to be saved. otherwise if you are like me na dating born again who sincerely accepted jeeeezus as personal lord and savior tapos many years later eh nawalan ng faith eh i was never saved daw in the first place.

    kaya ang OSAS na yan bullsh1t lang iyan. sa totoo lang pareho lang ng paniniwala ang born again sa katoliko pagdating sa salvation:

    salvation = faith + good works
    true, but there is a simple difference between RC and BAs.
    RC believes that one can accomplish the feat on their own to be righteous
    BAs believe that they can't and need help from Christ.


    Quote Originally Posted by HermesTrismegistus View Post
    christ's trick is for you not to believe in his return so you will break john 3:16.

    no one is saved. only chosen.
    all of us are sinners, and need saving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jagon View Post
    once you are saved, you need to labor for the reward. you may be saved, but it won't be rewarding in the end if you take it for granted.

    Pang-tamad pa rin yan. Wala namang pakialam ang mga tamad sa reward basta nag-enjoy na rin sila sa buhay nila

  8. #28
    pwede mang-rape after tanggapin ang salvation, based sa sinabi ng BA apologists na:

    "Christ has saved us completely through his grace, nothing we do can change that"



    Last edited by attackmode; May 5, 2017 at 11:59 AM.

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by rambler View Post
    Parang conservatives vs. liberals lang yan eh. Ang mga liberals daw ay may malasakit sa marginalized ng society, pero ang totoo, ayon sa sangkatutak na studies, ang conservatives talaga ang nagbibigay sa charity. Conservatives put their money where their mouth is.

    Totoo yan. Yung mga conservatives talaga ang tumutulong sa charity at hindi pa sila nagrereklamo samantalang ang mga liberals ay puros reklamo wala naman ginagawa!

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by rambler View Post
    "He who endures to the end will be saved."
    Quote Originally Posted by rambler View Post
    Ang Church or ang Bride, planado na yan bago pa man lalangin ang mundo. Regalo ng Ama sa Anak yan.

    "And this is the will of Him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day. (John 6:39)

    Jesus will never lose those souls given to Him by the Father.
    So the Father will only give to Jeeeeeeezus the souls of those who "endure to the end". Kaya pareho lang kayo ng paniniwala ng mga katoliko: maliligtas ka lang kung nagpursige ka.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archimedes View Post
    Pang-tamad pa rin yan. Wala namang pakialam ang mga tamad sa reward basta nag-enjoy na rin sila sa buhay nila
    pakipaliwanag na lang kung paano naging mas masipag ang katoliko sa born again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    So the Father will only give to Jeeeeeeezus the souls of those who "endure to the end". Kaya pareho lang kayo ng paniniwala ng mga katoliko: maliligtas ka lang kung nagpursige ka.
    Pakibasa uli yung post ko. Hindi mo ata nagets.

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by rambler View Post
    Pakibasa uli yung post ko. Hindi mo ata nagets.
    you believe that a person is only saved if he accepted jeeezus and endures to the end. not like me who accepted jeeezus but did not endure. kayat i wasnt saved in the first place. correct?

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    who the [email protected] is jeeeeeeezus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    you believe that a person is only saved if he accepted jeeezus and endures to the end.
    what? saan nanggaling yan? that is not what i believe at all.

  17. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by rambler View Post
    what? saan nanggaling yan? that is not what i believe at all.
    nanggaling iyan sa sinabi mong hindi ako ligtas. at sa lagi mong sinasabing karamihan ng churches eh fake christians.
    so technically if you remove all the acrobatics eh faith+good_works ang talagang definition mo ng 'kaligtasan'.

    o ano?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    nanggaling iyan sa sinabi mong hindi ako ligtas. at sa lagi mong sinasabing karamihan ng churches eh fake christians.
    so technically if you remove all the acrobatics eh faith+good_works ang talagang definition mo ng 'kaligtasan'.

    o ano?
    wow ha, nice try trying to misconstrue my posts.

    Salvation is by faith in Jesus Christ alone. But a true reborn spirit, a true regenerated being, will be drawn to good works. Good works is the evidence that a believer has truly crossed from death to life.

    Ang backsliding, normal yan. We sin every minute, every day. But if a person stays in his sinful lifestyle for years, what do you expect me to think? Kung walang pagbabago, most likely hindi saved yan in the first place.

    Kaya yang mga rhetorical questions like, "Can a born-again Christian who rapes someone lose his salvation?" ay purely rhetorical. Because I don't think the Spirit will allow a true believer to commit serious offenses like rape or murder. Kaya kapag ang isang 'believer' ay gumawa nyan, I'm sure hindi talaga believer yan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rambler View Post
    wow ha, nice try trying to misconstrue my posts.

    Salvation is by faith in Jesus Christ alone. But a true reborn spirit, a true regenerated being, will be drawn to good works. Good works is the evidence that a believer has truly crossed from death to life.

    Ang backsliding, normal yan. We sin every minute, every day. But if a person stays in his sinful lifestyle for years, what do you expect me to think? Kung walang pagbabago, most likely hindi saved yan in the first place.

    Kaya yang mga rhetorical questions like, "Can a born-again Christian who rapes someone lose his salvation?" ay purely rhetorical. Because I don't think the Spirit will allow a true believer to commit serious offenses like rape or murder. Kaya kapag ang isang 'believer' ay gumawa nyan, I'm sure hindi talaga believer yan.
    dear, i've seen many people like me who 'accepted jeeezus'. like it or not we were all drawn to good works. i did for more than 10 years. but fact is, people change. thats why you have pastors that actually end up raping people, and worst. half of the people i know who became 'born again' have stopped being religious just like me.

    question now is, who are you to judge us and claim that people like me were never sincere in our religious experience? ANONG KLASENG ACCEPTANCE OF JEEEZUS BA KELANGAN para maging guaranteed na hindi na bumaluktot ang isang tao?

    judging us only shows that for you true salvation is only achieved if one dies a righteous person.

  20. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    pakipaliwanag na lang kung paano naging mas masipag ang katoliko sa born again.

    nakakaawa ka naman Aquaman

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