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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    There you go! I doubt Ferdie will agree. Problem with Ferdie is he tries so hard to protect and defend his false religion!

    so going back to isaiah, si cyrus ang pinaguusapan na nabigyan ng special mission. then all of a sudden ibang tao pala ang 'bird of prey'? that makes no sense. si cyrus din dapat ang bird of prey, not some filipino guy way into the future.


    bakit si manalo hindi anointed? hindi ba special ang mission nya? did he not rule? did he not help save people?

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    so going back to isaiah, si cyrus ang pinaguusapan na nabigyan ng special mission. then all of a sudden ibang tao pala ang 'bird of prey'? that makes no sense. si cyrus din dapat ang bird of prey, not some filipino guy way into the future.


    bakit si manalo hindi anointed? hindi ba special ang mission nya? did he not rule? did he not help save people?
    It's not necessarily na si Cyrus lang ang pinag-uusapan. Wala ring sinabing si Cyrus ang "Bird of Prey"! A bird of prey snatches and brings all of what he caught to one place (his nest). Cyrus on the other hand will free those imprisoned in Babylon. Contradicting ang trabaho nila kaya hinsdi si Cyrus ang "Bird of Prey"!

  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    It's not necessarily na si Cyrus lang ang pinag-uusapan. Wala ring sinabing si Cyrus ang "Bird of Prey"! A bird of prey snatches and brings all of what he caught to one place (his nest). Cyrus on the other hand will free those imprisoned in Babylon. Contradicting ang trabaho nila kaya hinsdi si Cyrus ang "Bird of Prey"!
    no. no. no. no. no. no. no. regular bird lang ang sinasabi mo.
    a bird of prey is a purely carnivorous predator who devours its victims. kadalasan di na umaabot sa nest ang nilalamon nya, unless she has little chicks to feed.

    cyrus presented himself as a bird of prey because he devours smaller nations around him.






    kayo talagang mga inc you have nooooooooo idea what you are talking about.

  4. #84
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    Eh bird of prey naman kasi talaga si Felix "who you" Manalo. Nasa NT nga sya eh.

    Mateo 24:24

    24 Sapagkat may magsisilitaw na mga huwad na Cristo at mga huwad na propeta, at magpapakita ng mga kahanga-hangang himala at mga kababalaghan, na dahil dito'y maililihis, kung maaari, pati ang mga pinili.

    Oh deva, dinadagit nya yung mga tao at dinadala sa pugad nya (INM), imbes na sa Diyos.

    Yun nga lang si Cyrus, Diyos mismo ang nag anoint, si Felix, sarili nya, epektib naman daw eh, kasi marami-rami rin syang nadagit. Kaya yung mga naiwan nya, buhay na buhay, kahit di mag banat nang buto, yun nga lang halos magpatayan sa pag aagawan sa kapangyarihan.

    So, pareho silang bird of prey.

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    By this reasoning, you are implying that all anointed prophets are messiahs and christs, so how would you DIFFERENTIATE our Lord Jesus Christ from among them? If you can explain that nicely with support from the bible, then I will believe you!

    Also, if you can explain Satan's anointment (when he was a cherub) makes him a messiah or christ as you say!

    As you can read, mine is a reasoning based on facts. And again as you can read I am not only implying since I am saying that all anointed prophets, kings, priests, and even pagan saviours or even Lucifer are messiahs in their literal meaning since anointed means messiah. Until you change your INC brainwashed mind and accept that anointed = messiah = christos it will be hard for you to get what we are saying. And as I have said the messiahship of Jesus is different in context and in prophecies. Jesus is the quintessential Messiah but being that doesn’t take away the fact that others in a lesser capacity or mission or purpose are messiahs too, like kings, priests and prophets. And it is easy to differentiate the messiahship of Jesus from the messiahship of other people since only the messiaship of Jesus is prophesied, others like priests, kings and prophets hold the title by traditional rituals or by virtue of their office. Jesus on the other hand has been prophesied since Genesis and especially in the book of the prophets.


    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Sabi mo nga ang anointed means "elected, designated, appointed with authority" - so ang anointment ba kay Cyrus ay sa Pagliligtas sa sangkatauhan KAGAYA ng anointment kay Christ? Tinawag bang messiah o christ si Cyrus o iba pang mga propeta na anointed?
    Style mo kasi kid ay knee jerk reaction. Basta galing sa akin or sa katoliko automatic ang reaction mo na KONTRAHIN YUNG SINABI namin. Dapat kasi intindihin mo muna ang isinulat namin bago ka sasagot. Ito ang sinabi ko sa post #46:

    Pinahihirapan na naman ni kidlat ang sarili niya. Simple lang naman ang ibig sabihin ng messiah, ibig sabihin ay elected, designated, appointed with authority. Lahat ng kings ng Judah ay tinatawag na messiah, pati na rin ang mga priests and prophets dahil anointed sila with authority. Kaya ang term na messiah ay applicable sa kings, priests and prophets, si Jesus ay ang lahat na iyan, priest, king and prophet.

    Si Cyrus ay elected, or anointed, pinili ng Diyos na tagapagligtas ng Israel. Kung ang isang anointed ng Diyos ay maging masama ay walang kabuluhan sa term na messiah or anointed dahil lahat ng kings ng Judah ay anointed, at dalawang kings lang ng Judah ang naging mabuting kings. Ang pagiging masama ni Luciper ay walang kabuluhan sa pagiging anointed niya.

    Now throughout the Prophetic books there are MESSIAHNIC PROPHECIES that can be, and properly, attributed to Jesus but that is a different kind of saving prophecies. Those prophecies do not take away the messianic title of Cyrus, since his job is to be God’s instrument to liberate Judah from the hands of the Babylonian captivity. Jesus messianic title is the liberation of not just Israel and Judah but of all gentile nations, ALL PEOPLE OF ALL TIME from powers of Satan himself the power of sin and death.


    Ngayon kung binasa mo iyan at inintindi, hindi mo na ako tatanungin pa kung magkapareho ang messianic purpose ni Cyrus at ng Panginoong Jesus.

    Ang salitang messiah kasi english iyan, ang Hebrew niyan ay mashiach, usually ang ginagamit sa Old Testament ay ang salitang "one anointed" in reference to a person who has a mission from God, like priests, prophets, kings, and even pagan saviors who will do God's plan for His people. Na bog down ka kasi sa English translation at saka sa quentessential meaning ng salitang messiah. Now a days when we say messiah we automatically think of Jesus as if He alone and no other else was consecrated to do a mission. Basahin mo ang Kings, Chronicles, Psalms, Habakkuk, Samuel, Isaiah at makikita mo na ginamit din ang salitang messiah sa ibang tao, most of the time it is translated in English as "one anointed" pero ang root word niyan ay ito:

    Strong's Concordance
    mashiach: anointed
    Original Word: מָשִׁ֫יחַ
    Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
    Transliteration: mashiach
    Phonetic Spelling: (maw-shee'-akh)
    Short Definition: anointed

  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    So the translation:

    maschiach = anointed = christos = messiah

    is correct,

    but for you the anointment of jeeezus is so much more. if thats the case we all agree to that.
    sa bible naman the significance of anointment is to declare that a person has been given a special mission.
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    There you go! I doubt Ferdie will agree. Problem with Ferdie is he tries so hard to protect and defend his false religion!
    Kid ako pa ngayon ang binabaligtad mo? Agree ako kay sophion dahil iyon din ang punto ko at ang pruweba ay ang mga post ko. Ikaw ang komontra sa mga sinabi ko tapos ngayon ay nag-a-agree ka na dahil si sophion ang nagsabi sa iyo.

    Post #42
    messiah = anointed = christos

    Post #46
    Pinahihirapan na naman ni kidlat ang sarili niya. Simple lang naman ang ibig sabihin ng messiah, ibig sabihin ay elected, designated, appointed with authority. Lahat ng kings ng Judah ay tinatawag na messiah, pati na rin ang mga priests and prophets dahil anointed sila with authority. Kaya ang term na messiah ay applicable sa kings, priests and prophets, si Jesus ay ang lahat na iyan, priest, king and prophet.

    Si Cyrus ay elected, or anointed, pinili ng Diyos na tagapagligtas ng Israel. Kung ang isang anointed ng Diyos ay maging masama ay walang kabuluhan sa term na messiah or anointed dahil lahat ng kings ng Judah ay anointed, at dalawang kings lang ng Judah ang naging mabuting kings. Ang pagiging masama ni Luciper ay walang kabuluhan sa pagiging anointed niya.

    Now throughout the Prophetic books there are MESSIAHNIC PROPHECIES that can be, and properly, attributed to Jesus but that is a different kind of saving prophecies. Those prophecies do not take away the messianic title of Cyrus, since his job is to be God’s instrument to liberate Judah from the hands of the Babylonian captivity. Jesus messianic title is the liberation of not just Israel and Judah but of all gentile nations, ALL PEOPLE OF ALL TIME from powers of Satan himself the power of sin and death.

    Post #49
    ^^^ Ang Gusto kasi ni kidlat si Jesus lang ang messiah. Mahilig sa narrow definition ang mga INC.

    Post #59
    Si kidlat nagtatanga-tangahan.

    "Hindi lahat ng anointed ay messiah"

    Para na ring sinabi mo na hindi lahat ng messiah ay messiah or hindi lahat ng anointed ay anointed, or hindi lahat ng elected ay elected. Parang si Menorah, totally is not the same as completely. Anointed means messiah, kid!

    Saka paanong hindi magiging messiah si Cyrus eh tinawag na ngang "anointed". Two sentences lang KINONTRA NO NA AGAD ANG SARILI MO! Yung isa mong sentence ayaw mong maniwala na messiah si Cyrus dahil pagano siya. Tapos yung sumunod na sentence mo inamin mo na anointed siya "for the sole purpose of freeing the Israelites from Babylon"! Ano ba ang ibig sabihin ng "anointed"? Hindi ba "messiah"?

    lim-šî-ḥōw = to his anointed= 4899 [e] = mashiach: anointed
    3 Cyrus as commissioned by ׳י, מְשִׁיחוֺ Isaiah 45:1.


    http://biblehub.com/hebrew/4899.htm

    Ano pa ang ipinuputok ng butse mo? Saka kahit pagano iyang si Cyrus, siya ang nagligtas sa Judah from Babylonian Captivity, siya ang pinili ng Diyos na savior ng Israel from Babylon. Try doing a word study kid, find out how they use "messiah" "anointed" in the Bible baka sakaling magising ka sa brainwashing sa iyo ng INC.

  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    It's not necessarily na si Cyrus lang ang pinag-uusapan. Wala ring sinabing si Cyrus ang "Bird of Prey"! A bird of prey snatches and brings all of what he caught to one place (his nest). Cyrus on the other hand will free those imprisoned in Babylon. Contradicting ang trabaho nila kaya hinsdi si Cyrus ang "Bird of Prey"!
    Kid basahin mo kasi ang chapter 45 and 46 ng diretso at isipin mong walang chapter divisions. Makikita mo na God is using Cyrus to liberate Israel thereby giving proof that God is the only God and he can use anyone to His purpose, and in this case to prove that He is the one God, and the idols have no power over Him, andthat Cyrus is His instrument of liberation.

  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdinand View Post
    Kid ako pa ngayon ang binabaligtad mo? Agree ako kay sophion dahil iyon din ang punto ko at ang pruweba ay ang mga post ko. Ikaw ang komontra sa mga sinabi ko tapos ngayon ay nag-a-agree ka na dahil si sophion ang nagsabi sa iyo.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sophion
    The anointment of jeeezus is so much more.
    That's what I agree with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdie

    Post #42
    messiah = anointed = christos

    Post #46
    Pinahihirapan na naman ni kidlat ang sarili niya. Simple lang naman ang ibig sabihin ng messiah, ibig sabihin ay elected, designated, appointed with authority. Lahat ng kings ng Judah ay tinatawag na messiah, pati na rin ang mga priests and prophets dahil anointed sila with authority. Kaya ang term na messiah ay applicable sa kings, priests and prophets, si Jesus ay ang lahat na iyan, priest, king and prophet.
    AGAIN, Ferdie:

    By this reasoning, you are implying that all anointed prophets are messiahs and christs, so how would you DIFFERENTIATE our Lord Jesus Christ from among them? If you can explain that nicely with support from the bible, then I will believe you!

    Also, if you can explain Satan's anointment (when he was a cherub) makes him a messiah or christ as you say!


    Sabi mo nga ang anointed means "elected, designated, appointed with authority" - so ang anointment ba kay Cyrus ay sa Pagliligtas sa sangkatauhan KAGAYA ng anointment kay Christ? Tinawag bang messiah o christ si Cyrus o iba pang mga propeta na anointed?


    Si Cyrus ay elected, or anointed, pinili ng Diyos na tagapagligtas ng Israel. Kung ang isang anointed ng Diyos ay maging masama ay walang kabuluhan sa term na messiah or anointed dahil lahat ng kings ng Judah ay anointed, at dalawang kings lang ng Judah ang naging mabuting kings. Ang pagiging masama ni Luciper ay walang kabuluhan sa pagiging anointed niya.
    Pinili ng Diyos si Cyrus (isang pagan) to do work for him. Si Cyrus lang ang pwedeng magpalaya sa mga Hudyo mula sa Babylon noon. Ang importante ay maalis sila sa Babylon at tanging si Cyrus lang ang madalaing makakagawa ng bagay na yan.

    Now throughout the Prophetic books there are MESSIAHNIC PROPHECIES that can be, and properly, attributed to Jesus but that is a different kind of saving prophecies. Those prophecies do not take away the messianic title of Cyrus, since his job is to be God’s instrument to liberate Judah from the hands of the Babylonian captivity.
    Show me that he was given that title! :D

    Jesus messianic title is the liberation of not just Israel and Judah but of all gentile nations, ALL PEOPLE OF ALL TIME from powers of Satan himself the power of sin and death.

    Post #49
    ^^^ Ang Gusto kasi ni kidlat si Jesus lang ang messiah. Mahilig sa narrow definition ang mga INC.

    Post #59
    Si kidlat nagtatanga-tangahan.

    "Hindi lahat ng anointed ay messiah"

    Para na ring sinabi mo na hindi lahat ng messiah ay messiah or hindi lahat ng anointed ay anointed, or hindi lahat ng elected ay elected. Parang si Menorah, totally is not the same as completely. Anointed means messiah, kid!

    Saka paanong hindi magiging messiah si Cyrus eh tinawag na ngang "anointed". Two sentences lang KINONTRA NO NA AGAD ANG SARILI MO! Yung isa mong sentence ayaw mong maniwala na messiah si Cyrus dahil pagano siya. Tapos yung sumunod na sentence mo inamin mo na anointed siya "for the sole purpose of freeing the Israelites from Babylon"! Ano ba ang ibig sabihin ng "anointed"? Hindi ba "messiah"?

    lim-šî-ḥōw = to his anointed= 4899 [e] = mashiach: anointed
    3 Cyrus as commissioned by ׳י, מְשִׁיחוֺ Isaiah 45:1.


    http://biblehub.com/hebrew/4899.htm

    Ano pa ang ipinuputok ng butse mo? Saka kahit pagano iyang si Cyrus, siya ang nagligtas sa Judah from Babylonian Captivity, siya ang pinili ng Diyos na savior ng Israel from Babylon. Try doing a word study kid, find out how they use "messiah" "anointed" in the Bible baka sakaling magising ka sa brainwashing sa iyo ng INC.
    Jesus was given the title Messiah or Christ in the bible:

    Acts 2:36
    New International Version
    "Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah."

    He was also referred to as the Anointed One

    The terms Messiah, Christ, Annointed One are TITLES! With regards to Cyrus as "anointed" (verb) means a person appointed, given authority, directed (also as Ferdie said). Cyrus was given a TASK to do but this does snot mean that he was given the title or personal authority like Christ! Show me even one verse that says that Cyrus is a Messiah, otherwise, that is again YOUR OPINION!

  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    no. no. no. no. no. no. no. regular bird lang ang sinasabi mo.
    a bird of prey is a purely carnivorous predator who devours its victims. kadalasan di na umaabot sa nest ang nilalamon nya, unless she has little chicks to feed.

    cyrus presented himself as a bird of prey because he devours smaller nations around him.


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    kayo talagang mga inc you have nooooooooo idea what you are talking about.
    BUT what we are talking about here is GOD'S PURPOSE! Not Cyrus' purpose. If he ever presented himself as a "bird of prey", that it his own purpose which is not what is talked about in the bible. You are presenting something out of the bible's context, fwend!

    Here is the bible passage again:


    Isaiah 46:11
    New International Version
    From the east I summon a bird of prey; from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose. What I have said, that I will bring about; what I have planned, that I will do.

    What is God's purpose?

    Exodus 9:16
    "But I have raised you up for this very purpose, that I might show you my power and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth"

    Can Cyrus, A PAGAN, do this purpose? Was he able to do this in his lifetime?

    What is "God's name" that He wants to be proclaimed in all the earth?

    John 17:11
    New International Version
    I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one.

    Who was able to accomplish that?

    Today, the membership of the Iglesia Ni Cristo comprises at least 110 nationalities. It maintains about 104 ecclesiastical districts in the Philippines and in 100 more countries and territories.

    http://iglesianicristo.net/directory/

  10. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    That's what I agree with.
    That is good that you agree with us on that MAIN point, that is what we are saying. Your problem is being bogged down on the quintessential meaning of the word messiah, the DEVELOPED meaning of messiah based on revelation and prophecies. "Anointed one" is a noun, a title based on the root word "mashiach" which is a verb. Throughout the whole OT "mashiach" is translated in the English Bible as "anointed one" or "one who is anointed" or simply "anointed". That is why you are bogged down in the English translation but when you go to the Hebrew and Greek the use to root word messiah or christos. This is like the English word church which you can't find in the Old Testament, but is there and only lost in the English translation since the word "qahal" = "church" in English, but in the Old Testament, the English translators did not use the term "church" to translate the Hebrew word "qahal" they used "assembly". So basically qahal = assembly = church. The English NT did not use the term qahal, they used church. The English OT did not use church they used assembly but both are basedin the Hebrew word qahal.

    The English translation use "messiah" or "christos" when referring to the messianic prophecies or to Jesus Himself who is the fulfillment of the messianic prophecies. But when it refers to kings, prophets, priests and pagan saviours, they use the word "anointed". I think that this way of translation is setting Jesus apart as the quintessential messiah and the others as messiah in their own right or specific mission. So don't get bogged down on the English translation. You agree with us on this already, then go further and make a word study on the words "messiah", "anointed", and "christos" and you will understand what I am saying. The fact that other "messiahs" or "anointed ones" in the bible went bad or were bad doesn't take away the fact that they were chosen and anointed, therefore (take note small letters) "messiahs" and "christos".

    And don't be lazy kid, the internet is full of information but you just have to be careful in selecting the right information. Unlike in my days of studying this, I have to buy books. Now it is easy to cop paste instead of copying quotes from books.

    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    AGAIN, Ferdie:

    By this reasoning, you are implying that all anointed prophets are messiahs and christs, so how would you DIFFERENTIATE our Lord Jesus Christ from among them? If you can explain that nicely with support from the bible, then I will believe you!

    Also, if you can explain Satan's anointment (when he was a cherub) makes him a messiah or christ as you say!


    Sabi mo nga ang anointed means "elected, designated, appointed with authority" - so ang anointment ba kay Cyrus ay sa Pagliligtas sa sangkatauhan KAGAYA ng anointment kay Christ? Tinawag bang messiah o christ si Cyrus o iba pang mga propeta na anointed?
    I already answered that kid, you are not even trying to understand what I've said and you are too lazy to do a word study. The main point is this and you can elaborated it on your own by STUDYING ON YOUR OWN!

    Jesus is the QUINTESSENTIAL MESSIAH, He is the QUINTESSENTIAL MESSIAH PRIEST, the QUINTESSENTIAL MESSIAH PROPHET, the QUINTESSENTIAL MESSIAH KING, the QUINTESSENTIAL MESSIAH SAVIOR, QUINSTESSSENTIAL MESSIAH SON OF GOD BASED ON THE USE OF THE TERM "MESSIAH" IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, AND AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPED CONCEPT OF MESSIAH BASED ON MESSIANIC PROPHECIES, and others are just messiah priest, messiah prophets, messiah kings, OR messiah saviour for a smaller and specific mission.

    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Pinili ng Diyos si Cyrus (isang pagan) to do work for him. Si Cyrus lang ang pwedeng magpalaya sa mga Hudyo mula sa Babylon noon. Ang importante ay maalis sila sa Babylon at tanging si Cyrus lang ang madalaing makakagawa ng bagay na yan.
    No disagreement there, God ANOINTED = לִמְשִׁיחוֹ֮ = lim-šî-ḥōw = 4899 [e] = mashiach: anointed =Short Definition: anointed Cyrus as Israels savior from Babylonian captivity

    American Standard Version
    Thus saith Jehovah to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him, and I will loose the loins of kings; to open the doors before him, and the gates shall not be shut:


    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Show me that he was given that title! :D
    Kid don't get bogged down with the title and the DEVELOPED and QUINTESSENTIAL English meaning of messiah. I'll give you one example and you do the rest.

    American Standard Version 2 Sam 23:1
    Now these are the last words of David. David the son of Jesse saith, And the man who was raised on high saith, The anointed of the God of Jacob, And the sweet psalmist of Israel:

    Read and understand that, not just in English but in Hebrew and Septuagint, the Greek translation. "The meshiach" in Hebrew and "The christos" in the Septuagint Greek. In English the used "The anointed".


    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Jesus was given the title Messiah or Christ in the bible:

    Acts 2:36
    New International Version
    "Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah."

    He was also referred to as the Anointed One

    The terms Messiah, Christ, Annointed One are TITLES! With regards to Cyrus as "anointed" (verb) means a person appointed, given authority, directed (also as Ferdie said). Cyrus was given a TASK to do but this does snot mean that he was given the title or personal authority like Christ! Show me even one verse that says that Cyrus is a Messiah, otherwise, that is again YOUR OPINION!
    Again you are focusing in the DEVELOPED and QUINTESSENTIAL meaning of the term "messiah". You are being dishonest with your researh as IF you attach the term messiah to other person it looses its meaning. It doesn't looses its DEVELOPED AND QUINSTESSENTIAL MEANING but actually enhace it since Jesu is priest, prophet, king and savior ALL at the same time. Yung sa iyo kasi ang opinion lang. Hindi ka makapagbigay ng word study reference ng "messiah". Kami panay ang bigay namin sa iyo ng references.
    Last edited by Ferdinand; 2 weeks ago at 11:44 PM.

  11. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    BUT what we are talking about here is GOD'S PURPOSE! Not Cyrus' purpose. If he ever presented himself as a "bird of prey", that it his own purpose which is not what is talked about in the bible. You are presenting something out of the bible's context, fwend!

    Here is the bible passage again:


    Isaiah 46:11
    New International Version
    From the east I summon a bird of prey; from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose. What I have said, that I will bring about; what I have planned, that I will do.

    What is God's purpose?

    Exodus 9:16
    "But I have raised you up for this very purpose, that I might show you my power and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth"

    Can Cyrus, A PAGAN, do this purpose? Was he able to do this in his lifetime?

    What is "God's name" that He wants to be proclaimed in all the earth?

    John 17:11
    New International Version
    I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one.

    Who was able to accomplish that?

    Today, the membership of the Iglesia Ni Cristo comprises at least 110 nationalities. It maintains about 104 ecclesiastical districts in the Philippines and in 100 more countries and territories.

    http://iglesianicristo.net/directory/
    But kid that is what Isaiah said. God used Cyrus for His purpose, He anointed Cyrus for purpose of liberating Israel, you, yourself said and admitted that. By conquering other nations especially Babylon, Cyrus fulfilled God's purpose declaring not just to israel, not just to other pagan nations , but specifically to Cyrus that Yahweh is the real God and He does what He wills, and is faithful to His words and He uses people whether pagan or Israelites for His purpose.
    Last edited by Ferdinand; 2 weeks ago at 11:22 PM.

  12. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdinand View Post
    But kid that is what Isaiah said. God used Cyrus for His purpose, He anointed Cyrus for purpose of liberating Israel, you, yourself said and admitted that. By conquering other nations especially Babylon, Cyrus fulfilled God's purpose declaring not just to israel, not just to other pagan nations , but specifically to Cyrus that Yahweh is the real God and He does what He wills, and is faithful to His words and He uses people whether pagan or Israelites for His purpose.
    God's purpose for Cyrus is WAY DIFFERENT from the purpose He gave to the man he called "Bird of Prey".

    Cyrus is to RELEASE the Israelites from Babylon - set them free. By setting them free, they are no longer under him or under his care which means he is not to do anything else for them after releasing them!

    The Bird of Prey is to gather all of God's children:


    Fear not for I am with you; I will bring your descendants from the east, And gather you from the west; I will say to the north, 'Give them up!' And to the south, 'Do not keep them back!' Bring My sons from afar. And My daughters from the ends of the earth." (Isa. 43:5-6, NKJV)

  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    God's purpose for Cyrus is WAY DIFFERENT from the purpose He gave to the man he called "Bird of Prey".

    Cyrus is to RELEASE the Israelites from Babylon - set them free. By setting them free, they are no longer under him or under his care which means he is not to do anything else for them after releasing them!

    The Bird of Prey is to gather all of God's children:


    Fear not for I am with you; I will bring your descendants from the east, And gather you from the west; I will say to the north, 'Give them up!' And to the south, 'Do not keep them back!' Bring My sons from afar. And My daughters from the ends of the earth." (Isa. 43:5-6, NKJV)
    Again read chapters 45 and 46 without thinking there are chapter breaksand then take the context of those two chapters. There is now way they are talking about two DIFFERENT PEOPLE. You are again bogged down this time with chapter breaks.

  14. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    The Bird of Prey is to gather all of God's children:[/B]

    Fear not for I am with you; I will bring your descendants from the east, And gather you from the west; I will say to the north, 'Give them up!' And to the south, 'Do not keep them back!' Bring My sons from afar. And My daughters from the ends of the earth." (Isa. 43:5-6, NKJV)
    wala namang sinabing bird of prey dyan.

    at huy hindi trabaho ng isang bird of prey ang mangligtas. quite the opposite, predator yun maraming pinapatay at nabibiktima.

    si cyrus bird of prey iyun dahil marami syang pinagpapatay sa mga conquests nya.


    now regarding Isa 43:5-16 mas appropriate na katuparan ang re-establishment ng state of israel dyan. i dont believe in this sh1t but i think its a most convenient COINCIDENCE. Christians helped fulfill the prophecy of Isaiah by helping jews re-establish Israel.

  15. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    wala namang sinabing bird of prey dyan.
    Papunta yan sa bird of prey sa Chapter 46

    at huy hindi trabaho ng isang bird of prey ang mangligtas. quite the opposite, predator yun maraming pinapatay at nabibiktima.
    Ang pagiging 'bird of prey" ni FYM ay sa pag-agaw niya sa mga anak ng Diyos na nakulong sa kadiliman o mga maling relihiyon:

    Isaiah 43:6
    English Standard Version
    I will say to the north, Give up, and to the south, Do not withhold; bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the end of the earth,

    ^The north being the Protestant churches and the south being the catholic church, FYM is tasked to bring to God His sons and daughters from the far east at the time "ends of the earth".



    Isaiah 42:16
    "I will lead the blind by a way they do not know, In paths they do not know I will guide them. I will make darkness into light before them And rugged places into plains. These are the things I will do, And I will not leave them undone."

    Isaiah 9:2
    The people who walk in darkness Will see a great light; Those who live in a dark land, The light will shine on them.


    si cyrus bird of prey iyun dahil marami syang pinagpapatay sa mga conquests nya.
    IBA si Cyrus, ito si FYM sa hula:

    The Servant of the Lord

    1 “Here is my servant, whom I uphold,
    my chosen one in whom I delight;
    I will put my Spirit on him,
    and he will bring justice to the nations.
    2 He will not shout or cry out,
    or raise his voice in the streets.
    3 A bruised reed he will not break,
    and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out.
    In faithfulness he will bring forth justice;
    4 he will not falter or be discouraged
    till he establishes justice on earth.
    In his teaching the islands will put their hope.”

    5 This is what God the Lord says—
    the Creator of the heavens, who stretches them out,
    who spreads out the earth with all that springs from it,
    who gives breath to its people,
    and life to those who walk on it:
    6 “I, the Lord, have called you in righteousness;
    I will take hold of your hand.
    I will keep you and will make you
    to be a covenant for the people
    and a light for the Gentiles,
    7 to open eyes that are blind,
    to free captives from prison
    and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness.

    8“I am the Lord; that is my name!
    I will not yield my glory to another
    or my praise to idols.
    9 See, the former things have taken place,
    and new things I declare;
    before they spring into being
    I announce them to you.”

    Song of Praise to the Lord

    10 Sing to the Lord a new song,
    his praise from the ends of the earth,
    you who go down to the sea, and all that is in it,
    you islands, and all who live in them.

    11 Let the wilderness and its towns raise their voices;
    let the settlements where Kedar lives rejoice.
    Let the people of Sela sing for joy;
    let them shout from the mountaintops.
    12 Let them give glory to the Lord
    and proclaim his praise in the islands.

    13 The Lord will march out like a champion,
    like a warrior he will stir up his zeal;
    with a shout he will raise the battle cry
    and will triumph over his enemies.
    14 “For a long time I have kept silent,
    I have been quiet and held myself back.
    But now, like a woman in childbirth,
    I cry out, I gasp and pant.
    15 I will lay waste the mountains and hills
    and dry up all their vegetation;
    I will turn rivers into islands
    and dry up the pools.
    16I will lead the blind by ways they have not known,
    along unfamiliar paths I will guide them;
    I will turn the darkness into light before them
    and make the rough places smooth.
    These are the things I will do;
    I will not forsake them.
    17 But those who trust in idols,
    who say to images, ‘You are our gods,’
    will be turned back in utter shame.

    Israel Blind and Deaf

    18 “Hear, you deaf;
    look, you blind, and see!
    19 Who is blind but my servant,
    and deaf like the messenger I send?
    Who is blind like the one in covenant with me,
    blind like the servant of the Lord?
    20 You have seen many things, but you pay no attention;
    your ears are open, but you do not listen.”
    21 It pleased the Lord
    for the sake of his righteousness
    to make his law great and glorious.
    22 But this is a people plundered and looted,
    all of them trapped in pits
    or hidden away in prisons.
    They have become plunder,
    with no one to rescue them;
    they have been made loot,
    with no one to say, “Send them back.”

    23 Which of you will listen to this
    or pay close attention in time to come?
    24 Who handed Jacob over to become loot,
    and Israel to the plunderers?
    Was it not the Lord,
    against whom we have sinned?
    For they would not follow his ways;
    they did not obey his law.
    25 So he poured out on them his burning anger,
    the violence of war.
    It enveloped them in flames, yet they did not understand;
    it consumed them, but they did not take it to heart.




    now regarding Isa 43:5-16 mas appropriate na katuparan ang re-establishment ng state of israel dyan. i dont believe in this sh1t but i think its a most convenient COINCIDENCE. Christians helped fulfill the prophecy of Isaiah by helping jews re-establish Israel.
    God has cursed the Old Israel who does not belief in Jesus Christ. Here in these verses, the "Israel" is the new Israel (a believer of Christ), therefore this refers to the Church headed by the seed of Abraham!

  16. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Ang pagiging 'bird of prey" ni FYM ay sa pag-agaw niya sa mga anak ng Diyos na nakulong sa kadiliman o mga maling relihiyon:
    i think what you really mean to say is BIRD OF PRAY. right?


    iba ang pray sa prey:



    Definition of prey
    plural prey also preys
    1
    archaic : spoil, booty
    2
    a : an animal taken by a predator as food
    b : one that is helpless or unable to resist attack : victim was prey to his own appetites


    kinain ba kayo ni manalo? in a way ang lakas nyang kumain ng pera ninyo. so in that case bird of prey nga.

  17. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    i think what you really mean to say is BIRD OF PRAY. right?


    iba ang pray sa prey:



    Definition of prey
    plural prey also preys
    1
    archaic : spoil, booty
    2
    a : an animal taken by a predator as food
    b : one that is helpless or unable to resist attack : victim was prey to his own appetites


    kinain ba kayo ni manalo? in a way ang lakas nyang kumain ng pera ninyo. so in that case bird of prey nga.
    Yes, he "attacked" the catholic and protestant churches so he can snatch the members from these false religions and place them in the one true church. He was very voracious and did not stop. Until now, the ministers of the church are trained to be like this.

    Pera namin is our offering to God which everyone can see around them - in thousands of grandiose church buildings, homes for the widows and church workers, in good works to help many poor peoplearound the world and many more!

  18. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Yes, he "attacked" the catholic and protestant churches so he can snatch the members from these false religions and place them in the one true church. He was very voracious and did not stop. Until now, the ministers of the church are trained to be like this.

    Pera namin is our offering to God which everyone can see around them - in thousands of grandiose church buildings, homes for the widows and church workers, in good works to help many poor peoplearound the world and many more!
    no no no no no. a bird of pray always attack something smaller. something that snatches tiny bits and pieces of a much larger creature is referred to as a PARASITE.

  19. #99
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    OMG!!! Nakaka boil nang blood!

    Oi, kidlatnuon, sigurado ka bang tinutukoy sa Isaiah 42 eh si bird of prey, Felix "who you" Manalo?



    Explain that!

    Talaga naman oh, pati si Kristo, nanakawan nang propesiya, para lang mai-angat si sugo! Sigurado kang Kristiyano ka? Sigurado kong nauunawaan mo mga verses na ipinopost mo? My gulay!

  20. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by skye_phoenix View Post
    OMG!!! Nakaka boil nang blood!
    O, puso mo! Inaatake ka na nyan, see a doctor na, now na!!!

    Oi, kidlatnuon, sigurado ka bang tinutukoy sa Isaiah 42 eh si bird of prey, Felix "who you" Manalo?



    Explain that!

    I presented the full Isaiah 42 chapter dahil baka sabihin nyo na naman e, pinutol ko!

    As our Lord Jesus Christ owned Isaiah 42:1-4, then that is truly Him in the prophesy. But what does the whole chapter mean, it seems that it is showing things that will happen till the "ends of the earth" in the "islands". If you can show me that Jesus Christ taught in the "islands of the sea", then I will listen to you.

    I-explain mo sa akin kung bakit sinabing "Servant" si Cristo diyan, not a hint that He is God or one of the three persons of God! Explain mo rin kung ano yung "islands" na sinasabi diyan base sa gusto mong i-interpret! I am open to what you say, provided it is supported by biblical verses, OK?


    Talaga naman oh, pati si Kristo, nanakawan nang propesiya, para lang mai-angat si sugo! Sigurado kang Kristiyano ka? Sigurado kong nauunawaan mo mga verses na ipinopost mo? My gulay!
    Hindi naman, kasi kay Cristo rin naman galing ang pagsusugo. At ano ba ang pangalang taglay ng iglesiang ibinalik ni FYM? Para kay Cristo yun at hindi sa kanya. Ang sabi ni Cristo:

    Matthew 10:40
    He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives the One who sent Me.

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