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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
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    Matthew 1
    22 All of this occurred to fulfill the Lord’s message through his prophet:

    23 “Look! The virgin will conceive a child!
    She will give birth to a son,
    and they will call him Immanuel,[j]
    which means ‘God is with us.’”

    if you believe that the prophecy has been fulfilled then you would believe that mama Mary did name him Immanuel.

    Thats no different from most people who has 2 or more first names at birth but are only known by their first names.

    Did it say there that Mary named Him Immanuel? It says there that "they" will call him Immanuel! So why will I believe what you say, poser? Napapatunayan lang na pilit mo lang akong itinutumba pero ikaw ang nari-reveal!

  2. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post

    Did it say there that Mary named Him Immanuel? It says there that "they" will call him Immanuel! So why will I believe what you say, poser? Napapatunayan lang na pilit mo lang akong itinutumba pero ikaw ang nari-reveal!
    ok so we agree that people called Jeeezus 'Immanuel'. Eh di pangalan nga nya yun!

  3. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Sinabi ko na nga sa inyo, Christ is FORESHADOWING FYM HERE!!! FYM will never own what is Christ's, Christ being the head of the Church he was ro re-establish!

    It is something done before that will be done again - Christ did this before and while Christ was already ascended to heaven, FYM did it again at the time when the end is really near!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Because it foreshadowed what FYM did to the prisoners of the false religions!
    Alam mo kid MALING MALI iyang PAGGAMIT mo nang "foreshadowing", that is not the proper use of typology. You are abusing and misusing this method of exegesis. INC is again making their own definition of terms to advance their cultist doctrines.

    Biblical typology is when a person or an event in the Old Testament foreshadows a person or an event in the New Testament. The bible is full of these kind of things. It is a primary tool of Catholic biblical exegesis to study these, because they all point toward the fact that Jesus Christ is indeed the Messiah (the Anointed One) promised to the Israelites for centuries.

    http://www.catholicbible101.com/biblicaltypology.htm

    One of the most interesting ways to read the Bible is through the lens of typology. Typology is where a person or event in the Old Testament foreshadows a greater person or event in the New Testament. The word “typology” comes to us from St. Paul himself, in Romans 5:14, where he referred to Adam as a “type” of Christ. So let’s get started on this most interesting study.

    http://www.catholicstand.com/biblica...ead-scripture/

    Typology in Christian theology and Biblical exegesis is a doctrine or theory concerning the relationship of the Old Testament to the New Testament. Events, persons, or statements in the Old Testament are seen as types pre-figuring or superseded by antitypes, events or aspects of Christ or his revelation described in the New Testament. For example, Jonah may be seen as the type of Christ in that he emerged from the fish's belly and thus appeared to rise from death. In the fullest version of the theory of typology,the whole purpose of the Old Testament is viewed as merely the provision of types for Christ, the antitype or fulfillment.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typology_(theology)

    Kaya kid stop abusing typlogy. Tandaan mo ang typology is ALL about CHRIST and the CHURCH HE FOUNDED, It has NOTHING to do with FYM or INC, NOTHING!!! Mahiya ka naman kid, ginawa mo pa na si Jesus ang nag forshadow kay FYM na ibig mo pang palabasin na si FYM ang FULFILLMENT nung prophecy at si Jesus lang partial fulfillment, eh wala ngang ibinigay na covenant si FYM at walang prophecy na after the New Covenant eh merong pang MAS BAGONG NEW COVENANT na ibibigay ni Manalo, WALA! Kaya sa parable of the vineyard yung anak ang HULING ISINUGO. Pero sa INC after nung anak eh meong pang MAS huli yung angel na si Manalo-MANGLOLOKO!
    Last edited by Ferdinand; Jun 17, 2017 at 11:04 AM.

  4. #184
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    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    [B]Well, OK, I totally get your point! But yung inis mo eh more of your attitude towards INC, GALIT ka sa INC and your emotion is taking the better of you.
    Wow ha! Kung maka react ka dun sa "galit" ko, kala mo naman eh nag pupuyos na ko sa galit. Like, haller! Duh! Feelingero much!?

    To make it clear to your "pa importante" attitude, hindi ako galit sa kulto nyo, naiinis, yes, dahil binabaluktot nyo yung ibig sabihin nang mga verses sa bible, pati mga propesiya, pinapaikot nyo para mag mukhang yung panginoon nyong tigok na, pero di nabuhay ulit, yung tinutukoy, kahit obvious na hindi.

    Again, siguro kayo paniwalang-paniwala, kasi nga uto-uto kayo. Baka ikaw ang nag papadala sa galit mo, galit mo sa RCC, kaya lunok ka nang lunok sa bawat subo sayong kasinungalingan nang iglesya ni Manalo. Gosh!

  5. #185
    Quote Originally Posted by skye_phoenix View Post
    Wow ha! Kung maka react ka dun sa "galit" ko, kala mo naman eh nag pupuyos na ko sa galit. Like, haller! Duh! Feelingero much!?

    To make it clear to your "pa importante" attitude, hindi ako galit sa kulto nyo, naiinis, yes, dahil binabaluktot nyo yung ibig sabihin nang mga verses sa bible, pati mga propesiya, pinapaikot nyo para mag mukhang yung panginoon nyong tigok na, pero di nabuhay ulit, yung tinutukoy, kahit obvious na hindi.

    Again, siguro kayo paniwalang-paniwala, kasi nga uto-uto kayo. Baka ikaw ang nag papadala sa galit mo, galit mo sa RCC, kaya lunok ka nang lunok sa bawat subo sayong kasinungalingan nang iglesya ni Manalo. Gosh!
    PAANO NAMING BABALUKTUTIN ANG MALINAW NA MALINAW AT TUWID NA SINASABI NG DIYOS MISMO, NA IISA LANG SIYA, HE ALONE IS GOD???

    Tapos alam mo namang sa Nicean Council na doon pa lang ginawang Diyos si Cristo at Holy Spirit, so sinong NABBABALUKTOT?

    Between Cyrus and FYM, malinaw na malinaw na yung ilang verses sa Isaiah ay patungkol sa isang lalaki na magmumula sa malayong silangan, sa mga pulo at gagawin niya ang PURPOSE ng God, na nasabi ko na through bible verse na tipunin ang lahat sa katawan ni Cristo, at ano ba ang "katawan" ni Cristo, base sa biblia ay ang Church???

    Anong ginawa ni Cyrus na PAGANO para ma-involve siya sa church?

    So sinong uto-uto??? AT galit nga ba ako sa RCC? OO!!! Sapagka't marami siyang kaluluwang naloko, maging ang mga zealous na mananamba na kagaya mo ay nauto! Dapat nga magpasalamat ka dahil nagtitiyaga akong ialis kayo diyan sa kadilimang yan!

  6. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdinand View Post
    Alam mo kid MALING MALI iyang PAGGAMIT mo nang "foreshadowing", that is not the proper use of typology. You are abusing and misusing this method of exegesis. INC is again making their own definition of terms to advance their cultist doctrines.

    Biblical typology is when a person or an event in the Old Testament foreshadows a person or an event in the New Testament. The bible is full of these kind of things. It is a primary tool of Catholic biblical exegesis to study these, because they all point toward the fact that Jesus Christ is indeed the Messiah (the Anointed One) promised to the Israelites for centuries.

    http://www.catholicbible101.com/biblicaltypology.htm

    One of the most interesting ways to read the Bible is through the lens of typology. Typology is where a person or event in the Old Testament foreshadows a greater person or event in the New Testament. The word “typology” comes to us from St. Paul himself, in Romans 5:14, where he referred to Adam as a “type” of Christ. So let’s get started on this most interesting study.

    http://www.catholicstand.com/biblica...ead-scripture/

    Typology in Christian theology and Biblical exegesis is a doctrine or theory concerning the relationship of the Old Testament to the New Testament. Events, persons, or statements in the Old Testament are seen as types pre-figuring or superseded by antitypes, events or aspects of Christ or his revelation described in the New Testament. For example, Jonah may be seen as the type of Christ in that he emerged from the fish's belly and thus appeared to rise from death. In the fullest version of the theory of typology,the whole purpose of the Old Testament is viewed as merely the provision of types for Christ, the antitype or fulfillment.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typology_(theology)

    Kaya kid stop abusing typlogy. Tandaan mo ang typology is ALL about CHRIST and the CHURCH HE FOUNDED, It has NOTHING to do with FYM or INC, NOTHING!!! Mahiya ka naman kid, ginawa mo pa na si Jesus ang nag forshadow kay FYM na ibig mo pang palabasin na si FYM ang FULFILLMENT nung prophecy at si Jesus lang partial fulfillment, eh wala ngang ibinigay na covenant si FYM at walang prophecy na after the New Covenant eh merong pang MAS BAGONG NEW COVENANT na ibibigay ni Manalo, WALA! Kaya sa parable of the vineyard yung anak ang HULING ISINUGO. Pero sa INC after nung anak eh meong pang MAS huli yung angel na si Manalo-MANGLOLOKO!
    FYM being the Last Messenger is not a disrespect for Christ who is the King of Kings. Ang problema kasi sa yo, you do not believe in apostasy kaya wala nang place si Manalo sa yo. You do not believe in anything that was used to prophesy Manalo and insist your "apostolic" line which the MALING-MALI dahil Christ never bestowed His title as Head of the Church to anyone, not to Peter and most especially NOT to your line of Popes!

    FYM, being a messenger from God and from Christ is MERELY an instrument for them to re-establish the pristine Church which they already prophesied before the first-century church became the Roman Catholic Church!

    God's way is a pattern of events so how Christ did God's will was also how FYM did God's and Christ's will.

    Hebrews 8:5
    King James Version (KJV)
    5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

  7. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    FYM being the Last Messenger is not a disrespect for Christ who is the King of Kings. Ang problema kasi sa yo, you do not believe in apostasy kaya wala nang place si Manalo sa yo. You do not believe in anything that was used to prophesy Manalo and insist your "apostolic" line which the MALING-MALI dahil Christ never bestowed His title as Head of the Church to anyone, not to Peter and most especially NOT to your line of Popes!

    FYM, being a messenger from God and from Christ is MERELY an instrument for them to re-establish the pristine Church which they already prophesied before the first-century church became the Roman Catholic Church!

    God's way is a pattern of events so how Christ did God's will was also how FYM did God's and Christ's will.

    Hebrews 8:5
    King James Version (KJV)
    5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
    You are wrong to say that I do not believe in apostasy since I do, what I do not believe is the total apostasy doctrine of INC because it doesn't square with the prophecy in the OT and in the NT and it doesn't square with WHO Jesus is to us. And think about it again kid, Typology is all about the fulfillment of particular events, things and person in Jesus and His Church. Kaya lumalabas na disrespect na gamitin ninyo kay FYM ang mga passages na patungkol sa Panginoong Jesus dahil si Panginoong Jesus ang TRUE FULFILLMENT ng typology HINDI si Manalo at ang itinayo niyang INC.

  8. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdinand View Post
    You are wrong to say that I do not believe in apostasy since I do, what I do not believe is the total apostasy doctrine of INC because it doesn't square with the prophecy in the OT and in the NT and it doesn't square with WHO Jesus is to us. And think about it again kid, Typology is all about the fulfillment of particular events, things and person in Jesus and His Church. Kaya lumalabas na disrespect na gamitin ninyo kay FYM ang mga passages na patungkol sa Panginoong Jesus dahil si Panginoong Jesus ang TRUE FULFILLMENT ng typology HINDI si Manalo at ang itinayo niyang INC.
    Departing from the true faith is departing from what the Bible teaches through going beyond what is written. Hence, apostasy is going beyond what is written in the Bible.

    The Bible explicitly says that worships and services rendered to God but if based on the teachings of men are fruitless and vain:

    “They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.” (Matthew 15:9 NIV)

    The Bible doesn’t approve that men established their own way, rules and doctines:

    “For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness.” (Romans 10:2-3 NIV)

    Thus, apostasy is also creating or establishing their own rules or doctrines, or upholding man-made doctrines or teachings. Moreover, apostasy is also changing the gospel of Christ or the doctrine written in the Bible:


    “I am surprised at you! In no time at all you are deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ, and are accepting another gospel. Actually, there is no ‘other gospel,’ but I say this because there are some people who are upsetting you and trying to change the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel that is different from the one we preached to you, may he be condemned to hell!” (Galatians 1:6-8 TEV)

    Apostle Paul mentioned it in Acts 20:30 as “distorting the truth”:

    “Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.” (Acts 20:30 NIV)

    Apostle Paul said, “there is no other gospel,” but a “distortion of the gospel.” Also, this is what Apostle Peter tells us regarding apostasy:

    “But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them-bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.” (II Peter 2:1-3 NIV)

    Apostasy according to Apostle Peter is “bringing the way of truth to disrepute” through “made up stories.”


    Hence, an apostate is:

    (1) those that followed the erroneous doctrines (doctrines of demons);
    (2) went beyond what is written (taught doctrines not in the Bible or upholding unbiblical doctrines);
    (3) invented, established or created their own (man-made doctrines),
    (4) believed in made up stories (traditions), and
    (5) changed or distorted the doctrines written in the Bible.

    Apostle Paul said, “if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel that is different from the one we preached to you, may he be condemned to hell!.”

    Thus, apostasy took place in the first century Church Of Christ when doctrines taught by Christ and the apostles were changed and distorted, and when they brought inside the Church and uphold the doctrines of demon, unbiblical doctrines, man-made doctrines and made up stories.

    http://theiglesianicristo.blogspot.c...ostasy-is.html

  9. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Departing from the true faith is departing from what the Bible teaches through going beyond what is written. Hence, apostasy is going beyond what is written in the Bible.
    That is just your opinion. If that is the case then we can't really make decisions on what are the fulfillments of prophecies, since that will be going beyond to what is written.

    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    The Bible explicitly says that worships and services rendered to God but if based on the teachings of men are fruitless and vain:

    “They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.” (Matthew 15:9 NIV)

    The Bible doesn’t approve that men established their own way, rules and doctines:

    “For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness.” (Romans 10:2-3 NIV)

    Thus, apostasy is also creating or establishing their own rules or doctrines, or upholding man-made doctrines or teachings. Moreover, apostasy is also changing the gospel of Christ or the doctrine written in the Bible:


    “I am surprised at you! In no time at all you are deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ, and are accepting another gospel. Actually, there is no ‘other gospel,’ but I say this because there are some people who are upsetting you and trying to change the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel that is different from the one we preached to you, may he be condemned to hell!” (Galatians 1:6-8 TEV)

    Apostle Paul mentioned it in Acts 20:30 as “distorting the truth”:

    “Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.” (Acts 20:30 NIV)

    Apostle Paul said, “there is no other gospel,” but a “distortion of the gospel.” Also, this is what Apostle Peter tells us regarding apostasy:

    “But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them-bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.” (II Peter 2:1-3 NIV)

    Apostasy according to Apostle Peter is “bringing the way of truth to disrepute” through “made up stories.”


    Hence, an apostate is:

    (1) those that followed the erroneous doctrines (doctrines of demons);
    (2) went beyond what is written (taught doctrines not in the Bible or upholding unbiblical doctrines);
    (3) invented, established or created their own (man-made doctrines),
    (4) believed in made up stories (traditions), and
    (5) changed or distorted the doctrines written in the Bible.

    Apostle Paul said, “if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel that is different from the one we preached to you, may he be condemned to hell!.”
    I can agree with that, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Thus, apostasy took place in the first century Church Of Christ when doctrines taught by Christ and the apostles were changed and distorted, and when they brought inside the Church and uphold the doctrines of demon, unbiblical doctrines, man-made doctrines and made up stories.

    http://theiglesianicristo.blogspot.c...ostasy-is.html
    Yeah I can still agree with that. Apostasy happened in the 1st century Church and still happens in the Church today. In the first century, we already have the Docetists, the Gnostics, the Ebionites, the backsliders to Judaism and paganism. Take note that the belief of INC regarding Jesus is the same as the Ebionites. But I don't want to dwell in that since that is really a different topic and I don't want to disrespect sophion on this really nice thread and the discussion is pretty much courteous.

  10. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdinand View Post
    That is just your opinion. If that is the case then we can't really make decisions on what are the fulfillments of prophecies, since that will be going beyond to what is written.
    Ferdie, WE DO NOT MAKE DECISIONS, we only obey or disobey! This is what the bible says:

    Deuteronomy 7:6
    New International Version
    For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.

    And yet some do not acknowledge that by disobeying:

    Jeremiah 4:22
    New International Version
    "My people are fools; they do not know me. They are senseless children; they have no understanding. They are skilled in doing evil; they know not how to do good."

    Yeah I can still agree with that. Apostasy happened in the 1st century Church and still happens in the Church today. In the first century, we already have the Docetists, the Gnostics, the Ebionites, the backsliders to Judaism and paganism. Take note that the belief of INC regarding Jesus is the same as the Ebionites. But I don't want to dwell in that since that is really a different topic and I don't want to disrespect sophion on this really nice thread and the discussion is pretty much courteous.
    Yes, apostasy still happens in the one true church today. Those who disobey God by rebelling against our church leader for one.

  11. #191
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    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    PAANO NAMING BABALUKTUTIN ANG MALINAW NA MALINAW AT TUWID NA SINASABI NG DIYOS MISMO, NA IISA LANG SIYA, HE ALONE IS GOD???

    Tapos alam mo namang sa Nicean Council na doon pa lang ginawang Diyos si Cristo at Holy Spirit, so sinong NABBABALUKTOT?

    Between Cyrus and FYM, malinaw na malinaw na yung ilang verses sa Isaiah ay patungkol sa isang lalaki na magmumula sa malayong silangan, sa mga pulo at gagawin niya ang PURPOSE ng God, na nasabi ko na through bible verse na tipunin ang lahat sa katawan ni Cristo, at ano ba ang "katawan" ni Cristo, base sa biblia ay ang Church???

    Anong ginawa ni Cyrus na PAGANO para ma-involve siya sa church?

    So sinong uto-uto??? AT galit nga ba ako sa RCC? OO!!! Sapagka't marami siyang kaluluwang naloko, maging ang mga zealous na mananamba na kagaya mo ay nauto! Dapat nga magpasalamat ka dahil nagtitiyaga akong ialis kayo diyan sa kadilimang yan!
    Yung paggamit nang Diyos kay Cyrus ay katulad lang din nang paggamit nya kay Nebuchadnezzar II, duh.

    Anong pinagsasabi mong tipunin ang "katawan ni Kristo"? Yung Isaiah 42 na naman ba yung tinukoy mo? Yung "malinaw" na si Kristo ang tinutukoy?

    Nakikita nyo si FYM kasi desperado kayong ilagay sya sa pedestal. Yung pagpipilit nyo na sya ang huling "messenger" nang Diyos, para naring gusto nyo syang ipantay kay Moses, or worse, kay Kristo, kaya lang hirap kayo, dahil never syang nakagawa nang himala. Plus, namatay pa sa malubhang karamandaman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    PAANO NAMING BABALUKTUTIN ANG MALINAW NA MALINAW AT TUWID NA SINASABI NG DIYOS MISMO, NA IISA LANG SIYA, HE ALONE IS GOD???

    Tapos alam mo namang sa Nicean Council na doon pa lang ginawang Diyos si Cristo at Holy Spirit, so sinong NABBABALUKTOT?

    Between Cyrus and FYM, malinaw na malinaw na yung ilang verses sa Isaiah ay patungkol sa isang lalaki na magmumula sa malayong silangan, sa mga pulo at gagawin niya ang PURPOSE ng God, na nasabi ko na through bible verse na tipunin ang lahat sa katawan ni Cristo, at ano ba ang "katawan" ni Cristo, base sa biblia ay ang Church???

    Anong ginawa ni Cyrus na PAGANO para ma-involve siya sa church?

    So sinong uto-uto??? AT galit nga ba ako sa RCC? OO!!! Sapagka't marami siyang kaluluwang naloko, maging ang mga zealous na mananamba na kagaya mo ay nauto! Dapat nga magpasalamat ka dahil nagtitiyaga akong ialis kayo diyan sa kadilimang yan!
    Yung paggamit nang Diyos kay Cyrus ay katulad lang din nang paggamit nya kay Nebuchadnezzar II, duh.

    Anong pinagsasabi mong tipunin ang "katawan ni Kristo"? Yung Isaiah 42 na naman ba yung tinukoy mo? Yung "malinaw" na si Kristo ang tinutukoy?

    Nakikita nyo si FYM kasi desperado kayong ilagay sya sa pedestal. Yung pagpipilit nyo na sya ang huling "messenger" nang Diyos, para naring gusto nyo syang ipantay kay Moses, or worse kay Kristo, kaya lang hirap kayo, dahil never syang nakagawa nang himala. Plus, namatay pa sa malubhang karamandaman.

    Dapat nga akong magpasalamat sa'yo, dahil sa'yo, maraming makakabasa kung paano kayong gingawang tang-a nang kulto nyo. Kung paanong gingamit nang kulto nyo si Kristo, para maitaas si FYM "the who you, bird of prey".

    Salamat sa iyong effort.

  13. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Ferdie, WE DO NOT MAKE DECISIONS, we only obey or disobey! This is what the bible says:

    Deuteronomy 7:6
    New International Version
    For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.
    And yet some do not acknowledge that by disobeying:

    Jeremiah 4:22
    New International Version
    "My people are fools; they do not know me. They are senseless children; they have no understanding. They are skilled in doing evil; they know not how to do good."
    Sure but before you obey you have to know the source of the authority, if you don't which is what you are doing by joining the INC, then you you are basically obeying a false authority, but then again that is a different topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Yes, apostasy still happens in the one true church today. Those who disobey God by rebelling against our church leader for one.
    It is nothing new, kid.

  14. #194
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdinand View Post
    Sure but before you obey you have to know the source of the authority, if you don't which is what you are doing by joining the INC, then you you are basically obeying a false authority, but then again that is a different topic.

    It is nothing new, kid.
    Our source of Authority is THE BIBLE, we do not go outside of the Holy Scriptures as taught by our Sugo. We do not refer to any human traditions.

    2 timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.…

  15. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Our source of Authority is THE BIBLE, we do not go outside of the Holy Scriptures as taught by our Sugo. We do not refer to any human traditions.
    An authority is a person or persons who have the power to make rules and make decisions.

    Guidebook lang ang bible.

  16. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by skye_phoenix View Post
    Yung paggamit nang Diyos kay Cyrus ay katulad lang din nang paggamit nya kay Nebuchadnezzar II, duh.
    How did God use Nebuchadnezzar?

    Anong pinagsasabi mong tipunin ang "katawan ni Kristo"? Yung Isaiah 42 na naman ba yung tinukoy mo? Yung "malinaw" na si Kristo ang tinutukoy?
    Ang will ng God ay tipunin sa isang katawan o iglesia ang lahat ng mga anak Niya sa kawan sapagka't ang ililigtas ay hindi individual persons KUNDI ang Iglesia! Iglesia ang ise-save!

    Ephesians 5:23
    New International Version
    For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.

    So the way of God is for you to be in a PARTICULAR CHURCH, NOT any church - because that particular church is the one Christ will save!

    Kung fully for Christ ang Isaiah 42, de pumapayag kang Servant ng God si Christ at hindi Siya God?

    Nakikita nyo si FYM kasi desperado kayong ilagay sya sa pedestal. Yung pagpipilit nyo na sya ang huling "messenger" nang Diyos, para naring gusto nyo syang ipantay kay Moses, or worse, kay Kristo, kaya lang hirap kayo, dahil never syang nakagawa nang himala. Plus, namatay pa sa malubhang karamandaman.
    Hindi naman nagpapalagay sa pedestal si FYM. Kaming mga Iglesia, we are very thankful to him, we love and respect him as well because he hurdled all the hardships just so we, members of the INC, can be saved! He did all the hard work for us!

    Wala namang requirement na "himala" para maging messenger ng God, nako-confuse ka sa ginagawa nyong pag-canonize sa mga santo nyo! So what kung namatay sa malubhang karamdaman, dagdag na sakripisyo at biyaya pa nga yun! Yun bang nangyari kay Cristo, me lulubha pa dun?
    Last edited by KidlatNgayon; Jun 20, 2017 at 01:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    An authority is a person or persons who have the power to make rules and make decisions.

    Guidebook lang ang bible.
    The bible is GOD-BREATHED, so the authority is God THROUGH the bible! all of God's Laws, commandments, decrees are there! It is our Manual for obeying God!

    2 timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.

    DEFINITELY NOT JUST A GUIDEBOOK BUT A MANUAL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    Our source of Authority is THE BIBLE, we do not go outside of the Holy Scriptures as taught by our Sugo.
    ---who teaches it to you at the sixth grade level with absolutely no capacity for analysis, interpretation, or cross-referencing. Example: eating blood.

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    ---who teaches it to you at the sixth grade level with absolutely no capacity for analysis, interpretation, or cross-referencing. Example: eating blood.
    The bible is VERY CLEAR ON THE PROHIBITION OF EATING BLOOD! Blood was never classified as food since the time of Noah and it being in the animals whose flesh we eat, the bible was very careful to explain on how to kill the animals so most blood will come out. We are not to eat flesh of animals that got strangled or blood did not come out.

    I can't believe that clear verses on the prohibition of blood are still not understood by most people!

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    NO it's not.

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