Millions of Muslims gather to pray for world peace

[MENJ]

Monday January 21, 8:04 PM


Millions of Muslims gather to pray for world peace


DHAKA, Jan 21 (Reuters) - Nearly two million Muslims from around the world prayed on Monday for global peace and harmony at the end of a grand Islamic congregation on the bank of the Turag river near Bangladesh's capital, Dhaka.

Religious scholars and devotees from about 75 countries joined the Biswa Ijtema, the biggest Muslim gathering after annual Haj pilgrimage in Mecca, Saudi Arabia.

Organisers said the scholars delivered religious sermons explaining the greatness of Islam, how it shunned violence and promoted peace.

They urged the Muslims to follow the footsteps of Prophet Mohammad and renounce violence in all forms.

Mulsim extremists, led by Osama bin Laden, are accused of the September 11 attacks on the United States. India and Pakistan have engaged on a dangerous military buildup on their shared border after an attack on the Indian parliament last month that New Delhi blames on Pakistan-based Muslim militants.

Muslims from Saudi Arabia, the United States, Russia, Pakistan, China, Malaysia, Indonesia, Kuwait, India and South Africa participated at the annual ritual.

Bangladesh President A.Q.M. Badruddoza Chowdhury, Prime Minister begum Khaleda Zia and opposition leader Sheikh Hasina attended the prayer.

[abuGian]

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[MENJ]

Originally posted by abuGian
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So if Muslims start praying for peace, we are ignored. But when Muslims fight for freedom, the labels start pouring in....

MENJ
menj@maxis.net.my

[abuGian]

There is no objections for Muslims praying for peace Menj that is expected of any religion.

[MENJ]

Originally posted by abuGian
There is no objections for Muslims praying for peace Menj that is expected of any religion.

So why the hypocrisy, abuGian?

MENJ
menj@maxis.net.my

[abuGian]

All religions are supposed to be peaceful, this is expected from any religion, this cannot be objected to, there are definitely sober and kind people in Islam, HOWEVER, there is the other side of it: the doctrines of Islam in the Koran and the Hadiths really promote violence which the sober Muslims just choose to ignore. Unfortunately these doctrines are faithfully adhered to by the more zealous Muslims.

While their brothers pray for peace, the more zealous Muslims plan to bomb the Jews and exterminate the Christians in Indonesia or kidnap the missionaries in the Philippines. Now that's hypocrisy.

[DoctorNO]

Originally posted by MENJ

So if Muslims start praying for peace, we are ignored. But when Muslims fight for freedom, the labels start pouring in....

Perhaps because the Muslim's modern methods of fighting involve atrocities and crimes against humanity. Aside from the fact that Muslims have created stirs around the globe from America to the middle east to China to Indonesia. Now dont throw at me that stupid oppression argument.

By the way the Hindus, Sikhs, and Communists are also angry with Muslims. Dont put all the blame on us poor Christians and Jews.

[DoctorNO]

C'mon MENJ be reasonable.

[Murphy]

Originally posted by DoctorNO

Perhaps because the Muslim's modern methods of fighting involve atrocities and crimes against humanity. Aside from the fact that Muslims have created stirs around the globe from America to the middle east to China to Indonesia. Now dont throw at me that stupid oppression argument.

By the way the Hindus, Sikhs, and Communists are also angry with Muslims. Dont put all the blame on us poor Christians and Jews.

What sort of numbers are we talking about in atrocities and crimes and against humanity that puts Muslims apart from any other groups whom have commited similar atrocities? Atrocities and human rights violations are not really confined to one group of people to the exclusion of others.

In terms of numbers over the last decade, Christans have FAR, FAR outdone Muslim atrocities. The Hutus (Christians) massacred 700,000 Tutsis..many who sought shelter in Churches and were even turned over to the attackers by Hutu priests!

The Serbs massacred over 150,000 men, women and children in Bosnia..the Muslims were NOT the agressors.. they simply declared independence from Yugoslavia (like Croatia, whom were Christians and also set upon by the Serbs).

Sorry Dr.No..but you seem to be the new Janelle Yap now. And your argument does not seem to be driven by reason or logic anymore..but more by bias and hate..it shows.

[DoctorNO]

Originally posted by Murphy

In terms of numbers over the last decade, Christans have FAR, FAR outdone Muslim atrocities. The Hutus (Christians) massacred 700,000 Tutsis..many who sought shelter in Churches and were even turned over to the attackers by Hutu priests!

Bout africa, I thought that was a tribal war. You have an even-handed source for these allegations? Show me that I may be enlightened. Otherwise we'll just assume that this is just another case of civil war.

Originally posted by Murphy

The Serbs massacred over 150,000 men, women and children in Bosnia..the Muslims were NOT the agressors.. they simply declared independence from Yugoslavia (like Croatia, whom were Christians and also set upon by the Serbs).

That is civil war then. Declaration of independence by a minority without the approval of the state is a form of aggression or may be considered as an act of war. As Canadians would we allow a minority, say East Indians, to occupy a piece of canadian land and declare independence without the blessings of the majority? HECK NO WAY!

And remember the Yugoslavian conflict started all the way back centuries ago to the moslem invasion of Eastern Europe. Same story with the Moslem invasion of 4 out of 5 patriarchal cities of Christianity: Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem and Constantinople. If the Moslems never invaded in the beginning we wouldnt have these problems today. Just some historical facts, no hatred intended.

Originally posted by Murphy

Sorry Dr.No..but you seem to be the new Janelle Yap now. And your argument does not seem to be driven by reason or logic anymore..but more by bias and hate..it shows.

Sorry if you see it that way but from my point of view it seems that you still havent recovered from our last major encounter.

Forget the past. Lets give the present a new chance.

[DoctorNO]

and remember any atrocosious actions by christians have no biblical foundation whatsoever.

Just a fact. Lets be reasonable.

[DoctorNO]

So my answer aint reasonable enough, eh?

Lets see how you answer this argument then:

Originally posted by MENJ

So if Muslims start praying for peace, we are ignored. But when Muslims fight for freedom, the labels start pouring in....

Take Note: The labels are pouring from Christians, Jews, Hindus and Communists.

[DoctorNO]

Originally posted by Murphy


What sort of numbers are we talking about in atrocities and crimes and against humanity that puts Muslims apart from any other groups whom have commited similar atrocities? Atrocities and human rights violations are not really confined to one group of people to the exclusion of others.

Its not the numbers, my friend. Its the driving force behind THEM.

[Murphy]

Originally posted by DoctorNO

Bout africa, I thought that was a tribal war. You have an even-handed source for these allegations? Show me that I may be enlightened. Otherwise we'll just assume that this is just another case of civil war.

That is civil war then. Declaration of independence by a minority without the approval of the state is a form of aggression or may be considered as an act of war. As Canadians would we allow a minority, say East Indians, to occupy a piece of canadian land and declare independence without the blessings of the majority? HECK NO WAY!

Civil war??? Well, ahem.., when one group wipes out 700,000 members of a rival group in the space of one month sounds a bit more like GENOCIDE than a 'civil war'. Members of the Christian clergy of the Hutu side were also involved and were (not too long ago) brought to court to face charges in Belgium.

The Bosnians by virtue of legitimate ethnic differences, declared independence from Yugoslavia (just like the Christian Croats) and were RECOGNIZED by the world community. Civil wars usually involve 'combatants', not innocent women and children whom were massacred by the Serbs as part of their 'ethnic cleansing' campaign that outraged the world. Why do you think Milosevic is in the slammer facing 'crimes aginst humanity' and 'genocide'? Why do you think the former Bosnian Serb leadership (Karadzic, Mladic, etc.) are being sought for trial in the Hague. Interestingly, during the war, these 'war criminals' (as labeled by Nato and the Europeans) had motivated their forces with Christian slogans and 'justified' their actions as a war between Christianity and Muslims.

Originally posted by DoctorNO And remember the Yugoslavian conflict started all the way back centuries ago to the moslem invasion of Eastern Europe. Same story with the Moslem invasion of 4 out of 5 patriarchal cities of Christianity: Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem and Constantinople. If the Moslems never invaded in the beginning we wouldnt have these problems today. Just some historical facts, no hatred intended.

Hmmm, so you want to go back again through the Middle ages to the time of Muslim incursions through Europe? Well, uh... I think that was not a too 'auspicious' time in Christian history...when Christian brutality was near its most horrendous (Crusades, Inquisitions, Reformation)... The cities you mention have traditionally had a Muslim presence..I would say the European Christians were more the 'outsiders' invading than the other way around.

[Murphy]

Forget the Muslims and Christians wars which you attribute to 'Muslim invasions'...what about the poor Jews whom were cut down by the hundreds of thousands by the 'saintly' Christians.. the Jews, many to this day, still can not forgive Christianity for this past (i.e. protests against the Pope in his visit to the Holy Land).

[Murphy]

Originally posted by DoctorNO

Originally posted by Murphy
What sort of numbers are we talking about in atrocities and crimes and against humanity that puts Muslims apart from any other groups whom have commited similar atrocities? Atrocities and human rights violations are not really confined to one group of people to the exclusion of others.

Its not the numbers, my friend. Its the driving force behind THEM.

Oh, I see... in the case of Christians committing atrocities its attributable to 'human nature' (as you mention in earlier threads)...and in the case of Muslims its attributable to their religion.

Hmmm, let me get this straight..Christian attrocities due to human nature.. but human nature NOT involved in Muslim attrocities.. So are we to say then that.. Muslims are better 'humans' than Christians but are encumbered by a 'faulty' faith? And Christians have a 'superior' faith but are 'lousy' humans?

Hey doc, doesnt this belong in some humor thread in the PEX?

[MENJ]

Originally posted by abuGian
While their brothers pray for peace, the more zealous Muslims plan to bomb the Jews and exterminate the Christians in Indonesia or kidnap the missionaries in the Philippines. Now that's hypocrisy.

Ah...do I sense double-standards at play again, abuGian?

Let us see what word-games you will play when you see the reality of what your brethren are doing. And no need to look into Europe or Africa, let us take a much closer example, South-East Asia:

http://menj.tripod.com/Pejuang_Bangsa/maluku.htm

The reality is really very, VERY different from what abuGian and his allies would like us to believe.

Regards.

MENJ
menj@maxis.net.my

[MENJ]

Originally posted by DoctorNO
C'mon MENJ be reasonable.

Pray tell me, Dr. NO, have I really been the unreasonable one here?

Warmest regards,

MENJ
menj@maxis.net.my

[DoctorNO]

Originally posted by Murphy

Civil war??? Well, ahem.., when one group wipes out 700,000 members of a rival group in the space of one month sounds a bit more like GENOCIDE than a 'civil war'. Members of the Christian clergy of the Hutu side were also involved and were (not too long ago) brought to court to face charges in Belgium.

A civil war of atrocities. Didnt this conflict had a lot to do with tribal disputes than religion? Just because a murderer is baptised catholic doesnt mean that he murdered in the name of Catholicism. heck no.

Originally posted by Murphy

The Bosnians by virtue of legitimate ethnic differences, declared independence from Yugoslavia (just like the Christian Croats) and were RECOGNIZED by the world community.

Well I dont know about that part being recognized by the world community. Youre the politics enthusiast, perhaps you can give me a link to validate this.

Is it really that easy? Howcome Taiwan cant do the same thing?

Originally posted by Murphy

Civil wars usually involve 'combatants', not innocent women and children whom were massacred by the Serbs as part of their 'ethnic cleansing' campaign that outraged the world. Why do you think Milosevic is in the slammer facing 'crimes aginst humanity' and 'genocide'? Why do you think the former Bosnian Serb leadership (Karadzic, Mladic, etc.) are being sought for trial in the Hague. Interestingly, during the war, these 'war criminals' (as labeled by Nato and the Europeans) had motivated their forces with Christian slogans and 'justified' their actions as a war between Christianity and Muslims.

Well thank goodness stronger nations cant do things nowadays the way they used to do it yesterday (centuries ago). Lucky for Saddam that he got away.

Originally posted by Murphy

Hmmm, so you want to go back again through the Middle ages to the time of Muslim incursions through Europe? Well, uh... I think that was not a too 'auspicious' time in Christian history...when Christian brutality was near its most horrendous (Crusades, Inquisitions, Reformation)... The cities you mention have traditionally had a Muslim presence..I would say the European Christians were more the 'outsiders' invading than the other way around.

Err, you are greatly mistaken. These 5 bastions of Christianity (Rome is the 5th) had been living in peace since the 4th century. Islam came on the 7th century. Jerusalem was invaded on the 8th (I think). Constantinople fell on the 14th. Were it not for the Mongol invasion from the East and the political persuasiveness of the Roman pope we would all be Muslims now.

The Crusades happened on the 11th, BTW, to liberate Jerusalem. It was a bloody war. Only the first crusade succeeded and held Jerusalem for about a hundred years.

There used to be a pope for each of those patriarchal christian bases. Now, thanks to Muslims we are left with only one. One that monopolized Christian authority. Damn.

Originally posted by Murphy

Forget the Muslims and Christians wars which you attribute to 'Muslim invasions'...what about the poor Jews whom were cut down by the hundreds of thousands by the 'saintly' Christians.. the Jews, many to this day, still can not forgive Christianity for this past (i.e. protests against the Pope in his visit to the Holy Land).

Not only that but entire Jewish towns were also massacred in central Europe during the 15th century and in the 16th all Jews from Spain were driven into the sea. Some of the greatest marks against Christianity.

Originally posted by Murphy

Oh, I see... in the case of Christians committing atrocities its attributable to 'human nature' (as you mention in earlier threads)...and in the case of Muslims its attributable to their religion.

Hmmm, let me get this straight..Christian attrocities due to human nature.. but human nature NOT involved in Muslim attrocities..

I came up with something better.

Christian atrocities were committed out of ignorance of their faith. Muslim atrocities were committed out of knowledge, obedience and zealousness to theirs.

Originally posted by Murphy

So are we to say then that.. Muslims are better 'humans' than Christians but are encumbered by a 'faulty' faith? And Christians have a 'superior' faith but are 'lousy' humans?

Hey doc, doesnt this belong in some humor thread in the PEX?

HEY I LIKE THAT I THINK I’LL ADOPT IT IF YOU DON’T MIND!

Actually Ive always personally admired such zealousness to faith as displayed by muslims and some christian cultists.

Unfortunately not all religions are equally beneficial and some are actually harmful. In terms of morality I think Islam is ok except that their doctrines are prone to be abused with horrible consequences.

[DoctorNO]

Originally posted by MENJ


Pray tell me, Dr. NO, have I really been the unreasonable one here?

I think everybody had their share.

I just hope the TRUTH prevails.