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  1. #41
    Joe Ventilacion hoped to be promoted was punished instead!

    September 23 2015 at 11:03 PM Sis Lori (Login SisLori009)


    Response to When I read this news article, I thought Bro Jose Ventilacion killed himself...


    He had been eyeing to become God's Message Magazine Editor in Chief, but, because of his loose tongue of encouraging expelled ministers to sue the Iglesia, his earned points in defending EVM's administration were instead thrown into the garbage and punished to have the tiniest locale. Can Debater Joe Ventilacion be able to survive in his fights against flesh and blood in Scenic, South Dakota? To think alone how he can produce Iglesia converts in a ghost town is already a daunting task, how much more daunting would it be to pay up protection monies levied by biker gangsters who discover a 7 member Iglesia cult living in a ghost town?

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by tiburcioSais View Post
    When I read this news article, I thought Bro Jose Ventilacion killed himself...

    September 22 2015 at 6:06 PM The Lions Of Eden (Login TheLionsOfEden)

    ...Since Bro Jose Ventilacion, the chief bible debater and defender of the Iglesia Ni Cristo, Since he is presently being punished and banished by the INC Santos Administration for encouraging former INC Members to sue the INC Church and though he was being innocently sarcastic, and now it backfired and there are presently now a growing number of ex-INC Members filing suit against the Church. The INC Santos Administration degraded and banished Bro. Jose Ventilacion and his family to some God-awful outpost locale, some lonely desert post in Scenic South Dakota in the middle of dead nowhere, worst than the jungles of Mindanao, instead of fending off Philippine Islamic Militants, Here in South Dakota he needs to fend off against dessert Biker Gangs, Ku Klux Klansmen and local militias against foreigners like Jose Ventilacion, to make sure he guards the supposed Oil Rich Reserves for the church, he is now stationed as a 7-member Locale, INC Minister dash Security Guard for the "now defunct" oil-less reserves underground. Bro. Jose Ventilacion will eventually snap and go crazy and possibly kill his family, the 7-church members of the little locale, then himself...

    ...Woke up this morning and read this news title and thought it was Bro. Jose Ventilacion... ( It just came to mind)

    http://news.yahoo.com/south-dakota-f...154611176.html
    Platte, South Dakota is about 200 miles from Scenic, South Dakota.
    http://www.howtogetfrom.com/route-fr...d-to-scenic-sd

    You are a malicious non-member who is feeding poison to innocent readers of these forums!

    Are you even a former member of INC to drop statements like this, that Bro. Ventilation was "punished" when he was assigned there to nurture a place that seems to have nothing so that his able hands can make it a flourishing paradise?

    What he was given is the honour to show the trusting administration that his able leadership can turn a wasteland into something teeming with God's people. The Executive Minister has entrusted Bro. Joe this very delicate and almost impossible task!

    People like you are already marked by the Holy Spirit for God's wrath:

    Proverbs 6:16-19Contemporary English Version (CEV)

    16 There are six or seven
    kinds of people
    the Lord doesn’t like:
    17 Those who are too proud
    or tell lies or murder,
    18 those who make evil plans
    or are quick to do wrong,
    19 those who tell lies in court
    or stir up trouble
    in a family.

  3. #43
    ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

    From an indoctrinated non biblical inc that has not been remitted of his sins and not also received the holy ghost yet just to hoot cashing it forth to himself.

    Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

    2 Cor 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?


    Poor Ka Joe

    September 23 2015 at 11:08 PM iamonewithGod (Login iamonewithGod)

    Response to When I read this news article, I thought Bro Jose Ventilacion killed himself...

    A minister of his level should not be in a locale like in Scenic. Well, no one should be blamed but himself. Ka Jun Samson just heeded his advice after all.



    EVM is a closet Catholic sympathizer. The Proof:

    September 23 2015 at 7:56 AM Sis Lori (Login SisLori009)

    Here's what's circulating in Philippine Society News:

    Congratulations to low-key “rags-to-riches” realty billionaire Jose “Jerry” Acuzar of New San Jose Builders on his eldest child Jet Acuzar marrying Manila’s 5th district topnotcher, Councilor Ali Atienza, who’s the youngest son of Buhay Partylist Congressman Lito Atienza and wife Beng Ilagan Atienza. The wedding was held at the Acuzar family’s unique 400-hectare Las Casas Filipinas de Acuzar in Bagac, Bataan province.
    Among the godparents were House Speaker Sonny Belmonte, BDO boss Tessie Sy-Coson (whose brother, Hans Sy of SM, also attended), Acuzar’s brother-in-law, Executive Secretary Pacquito Ochoa Jr., Iglesia ni Cristo executive minister Eduardo Manalo and wife Lynn, INC general auditor Jun Santos and wife Annie, former Vice President Noli De Castro, entrepreneur Jack Lam and Julie Rose Defensor.
    There are talks that Vice President Jojo Binay and ex-President Joseph Estrada might draft former three-term Manila Mayor Lito Atienza to run for senator in 2016.

  4. #44
    Saturday's EVM's INC exposition was shameful & disgusting

    September 27 2015 at 4:46 PM Sis Lori (Login SisLori009)

    The world wide telecast was mired by long minutes of repeated on and off disruptions of video and sound or totally blank silent screen that EVM's loyalists in the U.S.A. hid their faces in shame. EVM's Iglesia is at least ten years behind Eli Soriano's problem free telecast of his Church of God International worldwide propagation.

    The mother abuser head of the Iglesia makes known to the world that he can be a people abuser, too. He ordered his Iglesia members to bring breakfast snacks to bribe their invited visitors who were shown a bad theatrics starring Cheech and Chung, the mother abuser, Eduardo V. Manalo (EVM) and his Bible reader. Who paid for the snacks? His deceived loyalists, of course.

    How did EVM doubled up his people abuse talent? He hid what version he read on his favorite Acts 20:28 verse. It's supposed to be Church of God, that was redeemed, but, used instead Lamsa's bad translation of Church of Christ.

  5. #45
    Rebellion on what? EGM said almost all his workers are corrupt!

    September 29 2015 at 3:30 PM Nom (Login Nom_1990)

    Response to this question is for the fallen angels, or those recently expelled for rebellion.

    “Sa pagsusuri sa kalooban ng ating Panginoong Diyos, hindi kami magbibigay ng opinyon. Kundi babasahin lang namin kung ano ang katotohanan na nakasulat sa Biblia [In studying God’s will, we will not give any opinion. We would merely read what is written in the Bible],” Bro. Eduardo said at the start of the evangelical mission that started earlier than 7 p.m., at the Philippine Arena.

    EVM said that. so what is your problem with the rebel INCers? why do you call them "fallen angel" when they have the SAME belief as yours? are you insane? you are "one with EVM" aren't you? is that written in the Bible? are you also "one with egm?" because egm said that "almost all" his workers ARE CORRUPT! is egm a liar?

    when are you going to be "one with Christ?" i don't ever see any INC writes like that? why? it should be according to evm that YOU, wilson should be "One With The Bible", right?

    fallen angel expelled because they believe EGM?


    Does Manalo have Forbes Park Mansion or not?

    September 27 2015 at 6:31 AM hijo (Login hijo7591)

    ?



    A Peso 1 billion mansion if so surely that would be enough

    September 29 2015 at 1:02 PM Hijo (Login hijo7591)

    Response to Does Manalo have Forbes Park Mansion or not?

    To show members what a load of garbage they have been sold?

    There beloved leader living in the flesh, doing all the things they tell you not to do.

    Or can you just shrug it off, he has to live somewhere why not a USD $25 MILLION DOLLAR palace! He has to travel why not a $USD 300 million dollar airplane what do you expect him to Walk!

    Can you smell the stink yet, the rotten mess doesn't add up does it, all those nonsense prophecies,boring and hopeless worship services, all the demand for your cash, the whole rotten crumbling mess, manages his family well, ha. Corruption, death threats,

    Wake up and get yourself free of those conmen or just turn your blind eye and soldier on for your saviour Manalo who couldn't give a hoot about you, he just wants your cash and to keep you there in his milking stall



    Hey Wilson Nom and Dolor, did you bring guests to the Worldwide GEM?

    September 26 2015 at 1:09 PM inctruth2015 (Login inctruth2015)

    Hey Wilson Nom and Dolor, did you bring guests to the Worldwide GEM?

    Were they enlightened by the most Extensive Propagation of Gods words?

    Did they attend because of your below average way with words or did you have to pay them with rice?

    A little advice, if you want to talk **** to English speaking Americans, do it in English, okay pare?

    Maybe ACTIV will pay for your online English classes. Oh, my bad, Smiling Eddie Boy doesn't believe in learning English either.

    Remember, when you are willing to see the truth, God will forgive you.



    so you have nothing else better to do with your life then troll INC Blogs, pathetic!

    September 26 2015 at 3:21 PM inctruth2015 (Login inctruth2015)

    Response to hey inctruth, i'm not an inc! are you?

    so you have nothing else better to do with your life then troll INC Blogs, pathetic!

    Have a life brother! You still have time to redeem yourself. God will forgive you!

    Unlike myself, I am INC, so the situation is personal.

    The corruption is true.

    So why do you care? What is your intent?



    who are you to me, idolater? you are nothing but a fake INC trolling here!

    September 26 2015 at 4:09 PM Nom (Login Nom_1990)

    Response to so you have nothing else better to do with your life then troll INC Blogs, pathetic!

    have a life? do you have one pathetic INC idolater? troll? is accusing you of idolatry trolling? is telling you that Christ preexist is trolling? is telling you that you don't kneel in your WS is trolling? what words in Philippians that let you believe that you should worship and pray to a mere man huh? tell me? does your god promotes IDOLATRY? or is it peliks the rapist? tell me! You and INC on the other hand is in big trouble after that Angel and Tenny's video and it is all over the media! you and other inc here is playing a kalye-serye and hitting each other! and that is shameful! so who is in the truth, you or dolor/wilson/feu?

    personal? why are you here? and don't ever tell me what to do in this forum! i can and will always be hitting INC like you! read the rules of this forum! this is not exclusive to you or other INC! i can hit you anytime i want to! and i do care about the corruptions in INC! if you believe it is true, why waste your time here? go to De Lima and tell her all you know!

    so, how is your life as an idolater and coward INC who believes that there is corruptions in your church? you will just tell us it here? pity on you coward! we cannot do anything about your so-called belief that INC is a corrupt business enterprise!


    worship of man
    ThesaurusAntonymsRelated WordsSynonymsLegend:
    Noun 1. worship of man - the worship of human beings
    anthropolatry
    idolatry, veneration, cultism, devotion - religious zeal; the willingness to serve God

    see, you are a idolater and your church is a cult! go and attack your own brother who defend EVM and Sanggunian you blithering fool! I pity you old man!

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  7. #47
    INC Minister Edmund Legaspi's Unthinkable Act

    September 30 2015 at 4:59 PM Sis Lori (Login SisLori009)

    EVM's Iglesia drove this American minister Edmund Legaspi to do the unthinkable Act

    Edmund Legaspi is an American of a Philippine parent raised in California and has the American accent. This young man had a promising good paying job, but, was lured by an Iglesia minister to study in the Iglesia's School of Evangelical Ministry so he can become an asset to the Iglesia in the propagation of the Iglesia ni Cristo faith. This young man gave up his good future to accept a thankless and demanding 24 hour obligatory job that pays less than 5% of his job he had abandoned. This American Iglesia trained minister had been serving the Iglesia for more than five years obeying all the rigors, perseverance, and travails of a dead end, future less, thankless job, until he was transferred to a small congregation in New Jersey to replace a minister there who had no fruits or Iglesia converts. In the Iglesia, ministers have quotas of converts to produce. It will be a bad assignment if you are reassigned to a small congregation whose members have difficulties in getting prospects for conversion. If you live in a United States town that has no Filipino non Iglesia community it will be hard to have an Iglesia prospect. Americans don't usually mingle with Filipinos nor attracted to the Iglesia to hear its boring propagation unless male Americans are seduced by Iglesia females for marital purposes. What is the prospect of making Edmund Legaspi change that congregation of fruitless record into a fruitful record when two or three previous ministers had failed? None, zero, zip.

    Then comes the usual Iglesia punishment being meted out to unfruitful Filipino ministers in the United States, which is, to reassign the erring unfruitful ministers to the most dangerous locales in Southern Philippines, the land of the Abu Sayyaf Muslim rebels, who chop the heads of Iglesia ni Cristo members trying to convert Muslims. At first, Edmund Legaspi and wife were assigned in Manila District. Unfortunately, due to being not able to speak the Tagalog dialect as he is a natural born American, he is less qualified to mingle with the Filipinos or to acquaint with their Filipino customs. Edmund found out that the convert quota in the Philippines is five to ten times more than what is required in the U.S. So, Edmund Legaspi failed again in his obligation to produce the required converts. Therefore, he was punished to be thrown into the lairs of Abu Sayyaf kidnap for ransom terrorist gangs of Southern Philippines where Edmund will have to fend off with his life and his wife's life against the Muslim terrorists in addition to fulfilling his quota of getting Iglesia converts. The Iglesia never pays ransom to kidnapped ministers being a money-in only cult organization. If you are a deacon, a choir, family organization officers, finance and record officers, SCAN, CWS, or other officers serving the Iglesia diligently, your pay will be received when promised salvation comes .

    Rightfully, Edmund Legaspi disobeys the order to be thrown into the mouth of the lions. So, he was defrocked and became just a lay member of the Iglesia and went back to California his hometown with his wife. He was still a civilized Iglesia member regularly attending the bi-weekly worship services until that eventful Sunday worship service upon the reading of the circular of the official expulsion from the Church of the wife and children of deceased former Executive Minister Erano G. Manalo approved by no less than the new Executive Minister Eduardo V. Manalo, the son of Erano, who owes his position to his father Erano. Immediately, after the reading of the circular and amidst the cries and shrieks of the heart broken brethren, Edmund stood up and walked out of the now devil possessed Iglesia worship hall.

    Not only did Edmund Legaspi walked out, but, as he passed through the members' tag boards in the lobby he smashed all the names until all tag names were thrown and scattered all over the floor and left the premises never to come back. Right there, Edmund expressed his anger why he was used as a tool by the Iglesia to convert people to a church whose leaders are the very violators of God's mandate of honoring of parents (Ex.20:12, Mt.15:4) and of loving the brotherhood (1 Pt.2:17).

    In the Iglesia, you can't win. It is either you obey the Church Administrator (Executive Minister), or you are out from the Iglesia. The Iglesia ni Cristo owns you whole – your body, your soul, your mind, and your money. It is a religion that obeys man made commandments, specifically, the doctrines coded in the Iglesia's Fundamental Doctrines Book written by its bogus last days Messenger of God, Felix Y. Manalo. Although the Iglesia ni Cristo is guilty of implementing a vain worship (Mt. 15:9), the Iglesia made it compulsory (Doctrine #18) in order that members will not escape the cult's brainwashing sessions. Indoctrinees or candidates for Iglesia membership are required to undergo six months of uninterrupted bi-weekly worship attendances. In other words, that is how long an Iglesia brainwashing spell will last to have a complete control over you. Inversely, any member who abandons the Iglesia worships continuously for six months will rid the member of his/her Iglesia devil's spell. It is time for all Iglesia members to leave the cult by abandoning its compulsory brainwashing sessions.

    "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." (Rev.18:4 KJV).

  8. #48
    USA Finance Officers & Head Deacons will go to jail, too!

    September 23 2015 at 1:26 PM Sis Lori (Login SisLori009)

    Response to Vincent Florida's Warning to U.S.A. Finance Officers

    The coming investigations by the Internal Revenue Service of all the U.S. dollar currencies secretly taken by the Sanggunian from all U.S. locale congregation offerings will surely catch the head deacons, locale treasurers, and locale auditors for their involvement in the crime of cash diversions to evade federal tax laws. Being the official officers handling the church funds of each and every congregations in the United States, you will be subjected to various legal proceedings and if found guilty for willful violations of tax laws pertaining to diversions of cash receipts from a tax exempt organization used for non tax exempt purpose to avoid paying federal taxes, all such officers are liable for fines, imprisonment, or both.

  9. #49
    damage control

    October 1 2015 at 11:08 AM james (Login ManalosEmpire)

    This cult is still in damage control in my opinion based on a recent worship lesson. The minister states, "do not believe anything you SEE OR READ on the internet." He continued after a pause, "Do not rely on what you know, do not use your own wisdom, rely on those whom taught you within the church of Christ."

    Now take a second to analyze the choice of words used by this cultist pawn. The word 'anything', thats right anything you read or see on the internet. If an individual looks at the the iNC propaganda internet sites or videos it completely destroys the logic of this damage control minister's statements.

    Additional events that transpired during the lesson was the continued use of promoting FEAR in order to gain control of it's listening subjects.

    By the way, were did all these ACTIV/scan manalista trolls come from...is their mission to flood this board with their hate speech?


    Yes listen to Manalo only

    October 1 2015 at 11:30 AM hijo (Login hijo7591)


    Response to damage control

    He must know what he's talking about, He's living in a $USD 25 million dollar house by all reports he's no fool.

  10. #50
    The latest on EVM's atrosities against his mother and siblings

    October 1 2015 at 7:10 PM Sis Lori (Login SisLori009)

    From Kelly Ong's exposse:

    GINAWA NG MAGNANAKAW NA SANGGUNIAN NA ISANG PRESOHAN ANG COMPOUND NG KA ERDY PARA SA KANIYANG SARILING PAMILYA!

    Layunin ng Mga kampon at mga tagapagturo ni Satanas na gutumin ang pamilya ng KAPATID NA ERANO G. MANALO.

    Hindi po sila nakuntento na maglagay ng mataas na bakod sa palibot ng compound, ngayon naman ay isang guard house sa labas ng gate ang itinayo. At para lang maisagawa nila ang kanilang kasamaaan ay itinayo nila mismo sa harap ng gate sukdulang walang madaanan palabas ang pamilya.

    LAYUNIN PO NITO NA HARANGAN NG GUWARDIYA ANG PAGDADALA NG MGA PAGKAIN AT TAKUTIN ANG MGA NAGDADALA NITO AT LUBUSANG IKULONG SA COMPOUND ANG PAMILYA NG KA ERDY.

    SUBALIT MABIBIGO KAYONG LAHAT DAHIL HABANG GINIGIPIT NINYO ANG PAMILYA NG KA ERDY AY LALO NINYO KAMING GINAGALIT AT BINIBIGYAN NG LAKAS UPANG SAGUPAIN ANG LAHAT NINYONG KABUKTUTAN !

    English Translation:
    THE SANGGUNIAN (THE COUNCIL OF THIEVES) TURNED THE EGM COMPOUND INTO A PRISON FOR HIS OWN FAMILY

    It is the purpose of Satan’s followers and teachers to starve the family of Brother Erano G. Manalo.

    They are not content or satisfied with the high fence or wall that they have already built around the EGM compound. Now, they have even built a guard house outside of the gate of the compound. To carry out their wickedness, they built right in front of the gate a pitch where the family of Ka Erano cannot even pass through.

    The purpose of this is for the guard to block the food and supplies being delivered to the family, and to scare and threaten those who are bringing these provisions. They want to completely imprison Ka Erdy’s family inside the compound.

    But you will all fail because while you are harassing the family of Ka Erdy, the more you are making us angry and giving us the strength to brave all of your atrocities!

  11. #51
    Why the Iglesia ni Cristo is an evil church

    October 4 2015 at 2:56 PM Sis Lori (Login SisLori009)

    The INC is an evil church because it is full of fraud, an enemy of righteousness, and perverts the right ways of the Lord (Acts 13:10).

    Examples of the frauds and perversions of the Bible by the Iglesia:
    1. Jesus is the last days messenger of God (Heb. 1:1) yet it teaches it is Felix Y. Manalo, the rapist of Rosita Trillanes, as the last days messenger;
    2. There is no offerings part in Christian meetings (1 Cor 14:26) yet Manalo made it an important part;
    3. Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the only name whereby people must be saved (Acts 4:10-12) yet Manalo teaches his Iglesia ni Cristo is the name where we must be saved.
    4. The contributions and collections done by the Gentiles(e.g Macedonia, Achaia) were used exclusively for the poor brethren and men in Jerusalem (Rom 15:20, 1 Cor. 16:1-2)yet Manalo use the verses for such contributions for anything under the sun depending upon the whims of Cult leader Manalo.
    5. The religion of the Apostles was Church of God yet Manalo teaches Church of Christ relying on the Acts 20:28 wrong translaton of Lamsa which had already been corrected by him in his 2 Pet 5:2 feeding of the flock of God.
    6. The setting aside Iglesia verse (2Cor 9:2) was not real, but, only a boasting by Apostle Paul (2 Cor 9:3)yet Manalo used it as his authority for making thanksgiving weekly deposits.

    The Apostles never defrauded no man (2 Cor 7:2), but, this Iglesia of Manalo is full of frauds.

  12. #52
    San Francisco Superior Court

    October 5 2015 at 8:10 AM Alex (Login Blue_Speed)

    http://www.sfsuperiorcourt.org/online-services

    Click on "Access Now" button in the Case Query (accelerated beta version) section

    A new window will pop up (allow pop ups or open specific URL)

    Enter secuirty code, click OK

    Search by name

    Enter "iglesia ni cristo"

    1st case - $3,460 is awarded to Patti Wood

    2nd/3rd cases - click either case

    click case # CGC-14-541073

    click Documents on top

    click "View" for Document on APR-15-2015

    on page3,
    Chicago Title is awarded $18,654.75
    INC's "defense" based on forum non conveniens lacks merit both procedurally and substantially

  13. #53


    inc not paying its bills - see the link

    October 5 2015 at 2:21 PM jodlas (Login ja4age)


    http://imageshack.com/i/pdkKwn0oj

    guess they are too busy trying to cover up all the corruption and also not recieving enough offerings to keep its finances in order.

    big surprise eh?

    happy.gif

  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by tiburcioSais View Post
    Why the Iglesia ni Cristo is an evil church

    October 4 2015 at 2:56 PM Sis Lori (Login SisLori009)

    The INC is an evil church because it is full of fraud, an enemy of righteousness, and perverts the right ways of the Lord (Acts 13:10).

    Examples of the frauds and perversions of the Bible by the Iglesia:

    1. Jesus is the last days messenger of God (Heb. 1:1) yet it teaches it is Felix Y. Manalo, the rapist of Rosita Trillanes, as the last days messenger;
    Jesus is the GREATEST messenger of God. (which also shows He is not God because what's the point of sending a messenger if you yourself will deliver the message?) Anyways, there is no bible verse that says Jesus is the Last Messenger. Jesus has many roles that God gave Him - the ONLY MEDIATOR between God and Men; The Son of God; King of Kings, Head of the Church and many more, but there is no bible verse that says He is the "last" messenger.

    In fact, God said this:

    Exodus 23:20
    20 "Behold, I am going to send an angel before you to guard you along the way and to bring you into the place which I have prepared. 21 "Be on your guard before him and obey his voice; do not be rebellious toward him, for he will not pardon your transgression, since My name is in him.…

    The "angel" here of course refers to a "messenger" who we all know is Jesus Christ. But the verses never said that He is to be the last messenger.

    Jesus, Himself, actually SENT another "angel" or messenger:

    Revelation 22:16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star." 17 The Spirit and the bride say, "Come." And let the one who hears say, "Come." And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost.

    The verse also says that He sent the messenger to TESTIFY that he, Jesus, IS THE ROOT AND THE DESCENDANT OF DAVID - meaning he is a descendant of man, therefore He is man in nature. Who testified that Jesus is man? Only Felix Y Manalo in these last days.


    2. There is no offerings part in Christian meetings (1 Cor 14:26) yet Manalo made it an important part;
    This is NOT true! There were offerings in the early Christian worship services:

    The book of Hebrews teaches that Jesus crucifixion was the final sacrifice for sin. (Hebrews 10:1-18) No more burnt animal sacrifice will be offered. However, there will still be offering in the form of monetary offerings:

    Mark 12:41-44 NIV

    The Widow's Offering
    41 Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42 But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a fraction of a penny. 43 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, "I tell you the truth, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44 They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything--all she had to live on."

    Luke 14:28 "Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Will he not first sit down and estimate the cost to see if he has enough money to complete it?

    1 Peter 5:2-3 NIV

    2 Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, serving as overseers--not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not greedy for money, but eager to serve; 3 not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock.

    Even our Ministers and Executive Minister render their monetary offering, no one is exempted.

    The bible explicitly says "double honor and wages" should, in fact, given to the elders who work hard for the church:

    1 Timothy 5:17 The elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. 18 For the Scripture says, "YOU SHALL NOT MUZZLE THE OX WHILE HE IS THRESHING," and "The laborer is worthy of his wages."…



    3. Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the only name whereby people must be saved (Acts 4:10-12) yet Manalo teaches his Iglesia ni Cristo is the name where we must be saved.
    It is, indeed, Jesus who saves and NOT the church. But who will Jesus save? His body or church, hence, the need to be inside His body or church:

    Ephesians 5:23
    New International Version
    For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.

    4. The contributions and collections done by the Gentiles(e.g Macedonia, Achaia) were used exclusively for the poor brethren and men in Jerusalem (Rom 15:20, 1 Cor. 16:1-2)yet Manalo use the verses for such contributions for anything under the sun depending upon the whims of Cult leader Manalo.
    It is not true that the offerings (which you said was not done in No. 2) was used EXCLUSIVELY for the poor. The preachers needed help or money to do their duties. The church herself needed material things to grow in many different places.

    1 Corinthians 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. 2 On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come. 3 When I arrive, whomever you may approve, I will send them with letters to carry your gift to Jerusalem;…

    5. The religion of the Apostles was Church of God yet Manalo teaches Church of Christ relying on the Acts 20:28 wrong translaton of Lamsa which had already been corrected by him in his 2 Pet 5:2 feeding of the flock of God.
    The real translation is "Church of the Lord" which refers to Jesus as God made Him Lord and Christ:

    Acts 2:36
    New International Version
    "Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah."

    The Almighty God (Father) is the original Lord and He made His son "Lord" too. Acts 20:28 refers to the "Lord" who gave His blood for his people - we all know that that Lord is the Man Jesus with blood and not Lord God who is spirit.

    6. The setting aside Iglesia verse (2Cor 9:2) was not real, but, only a boasting by Apostle Paul (2 Cor 9:3)yet Manalo used it as his authority for making thanksgiving weekly deposits.

    The Apostles never defrauded no man (2 Cor 7:2), but, this Iglesia of Manalo is full of frauds.
    This is only your opinion. INC follows the principle set up by apostle Paul.

    Indeed, It is Not A "Cult"

    In saying that the Iglesia Ni Cristo is not a "cult," we are referring to the modern use of the word "cult" which has a negative connotation:


    (1) A "cult" is "a system of religious or spiritual beliefs, especially an informal and transient belief system regarded by others as misguided, unorthodox, extremist, or false, and directed by a charismatic, authoritarian leader" (Microsoft Encarta Dictionary, c. 2009).

    However, the Iglesia Ni Cristo has a system of belief based solely in the Bible. Although her teachings differ from many denominations and churches, it is because that the teachings of other denominations and churches are not in the Bible, while the teachings of the Iglesia Ni Cristo are all in the Bible. For example, majority of the denominations and churches believe in the Trinity, however, the term "Trinity" and the doctrine of the Trinity cannot be found in the Bible, while the teaching of the Iglesia Ni Cristo that the Father alone is the only true God is the one clearly written in the Bible (cf. John 17:1 and 3; Malachi 2:10; I Corinthians 8:6).

    (2) A "cult" is also "an extreme admiration of something or somebody, an idolization of something or somebody" (Ibid.). The Iglesia Ni Cristo worships only God and the Lord Jesus Christ. Her belief about Brother Felix Y. Manalo is plain and simple, that Brother Manalo is the messenger of God in these last days, a man sent by God to preach the Iglesia Ni Cristo and the pristine Gospel in these last days. We don't call him prophet, pope, bishop or of any title, just "Brother Felix Y. Manalo." We respect him, but we do not exalt him, nor worship him. We followed all his teachings because all of his teachings are written in the Bible, and he never invented any doctrine of his own.

    (3) Today, the word "cult" means "false religion." However, Catholics and Protestants easily dismissed as a "cult" others having beliefs different from theirs. But the "standard" to determine if a religion is a indeed "cult" or a false religion is not the Catholic dogmas, nor the Protestant dogmas, but the teachings written in the Bible. The Bible says:


    “Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, ‘Do not go beyond what is written...” (I Corinthians 4:6 NIV)

    Doctrines not written in the Bible (unbiblical doctrines) or the teachings of men if used in the service and worship of God is vain and useless:


    “They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.” (Matthew 15:9 NIV)

    Thus, the real "cult" or "false religion" are those who adhere to unbiblical or unscripturl doctrines, teachings and doctrines made by men. Therefore, the Iglesia Ni Cristo is not a cult, but the true Christian religion upholding the unadulterated teachings written in the Bible because all her doctrines can be found in the Bible.

    THE LORD JESUS CHRIST PROMISED THAT THE CHURCH OF CHRIST WILL BE RE-ESTABLISHED

    It was the Lord Jesus Christ Himself who prophesied that multitudes of His disciples will be led astray. However, even though the first century Church of Christ will be apostatized, this is what the Lord Jesus promised:

    “And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.” (John 10:16 NKJV)

    The Lord Jesus Christ said that “other sheep I have.” He called them His “other sheep” because they “are not of this fold.” He will bring them also and they will hear His voice and they will be “one flock.” The “fold” or “flock” mentioned refer to the “Church Of Christ” (Acts 20:28 Lamsa). Thus, when the Lord said that He has other sheep “not of this fold,” He meant, He has other sheep “not of THIS Church Of Christ.” The “other sheep” are not of the Church Of Christ of the first century. Remember that the first century Church Of Christ was apostatized.

    Thus, even though the first century Church Of Christ was apostatized, Christ said He has “other sheep.” He said that he will bring them also and will be “one flock.” Therefore, Christ prophecy regarding His “other sheep” is His promised of the re-establishment of the Church Of Christ.

    Thus, the gap between the first century Church Of Christ and the Church of Christ that emerged in the Philippines was because the first century Church was apostatized. However, Christ promised that He will re-establish the Church of Christ. Hence, the emergence of the Iglesia Ni Cristo in the Philippines in 1914 was the fulfillment of Christ’s promise of re-establishing His Church.

    God's Testimony Regarding The Iglesia Ni Cristo

    The emergence of the Iglesia Ni Cristo in the Philippines in 1914 is the fulfillment of the Lord Jesus Christ's promise of re-establishing His Church. However, it is also the fulfillment of God's prophecy about His sons and daughters from the Far East, from the ends of the earth:


    “Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west; I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth.” (Isaiah 43:5-6 KJV)

    We firmly believe that the Iglesia Ni Cristo is the fulfillment of this prophecy. God recognize the members of the Iglesia Ni Cristo as His sons and daughters from the ends of the earth. In a related prophecy, God also recognize the Iglesia Ni Cristo as His people:

    “Indeed the LORD has proclaimed To the end of the world: ‘Say to the daughter of Zion, 'Surely your salvation is coming; Behold, His reward is with Him, And His work before Him.' And they shall call them The Holy People, The Redeemed of the LORD; And you shall be called Sought Out, A City Not Forsaken.” (Isaiah 62:11-12 NKJV)

    Thus, we firmly believe that the Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church Of Christ) is not only a religious organization, a Christian religion, but the true Church Of Christ today and God's nation in these last days.

  15. #55
    Absolutely !! there is no money even literally as it was written thus now the pitfall of all these so-called belief in GOD thru the ages.

    JESUS CHRIST, the one and only MESSIAH GOD that manifested in flesh show the way for HIS apostles to walk on the path without any support in kinds from the converted little children to enter the kingdom.

  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by tiburcioSais View Post
    Why the Iglesia ni Cristo is an evil church

    October 4 2015 at 2:56 PM Sis Lori (Login SisLori009)

    The INC is an evil church because it is full of fraud, an enemy of righteousness, and perverts the right ways of the Lord (Acts 13:10).

    Examples of the frauds and perversions of the Bible by the Iglesia:
    1. Jesus is the last days messenger of God (Heb. 1:1) yet it teaches it is Felix Y. Manalo, the rapist of Rosita Trillanes, as the last days messenger;
    2. There is no offerings part in Christian meetings (1 Cor 14:26) yet Manalo made it an important part;
    3. Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the only name whereby people must be saved (Acts 4:10-12) yet Manalo teaches his Iglesia ni Cristo is the name where we must be saved.
    4. The contributions and collections done by the Gentiles(e.g Macedonia, Achaia) were used exclusively for the poor brethren and men in Jerusalem (Rom 15:20, 1 Cor. 16:1-2)yet Manalo use the verses for such contributions for anything under the sun depending upon the whims of Cult leader Manalo.
    5. The religion of the Apostles was Church of God yet Manalo teaches Church of Christ relying on the Acts 20:28 wrong translaton of Lamsa which had already been corrected by him in his 2 Pet 5:2 feeding of the flock of God.
    6. The setting aside Iglesia verse (2Cor 9:2) was not real, but, only a boasting by Apostle Paul (2 Cor 9:3)yet Manalo used it as his authority for making thanksgiving weekly deposits.

    The Apostles never defrauded no man (2 Cor 7:2), but, this Iglesia of Manalo is full of frauds.

    Wilson or Markus, are you still in the evil Iglesia?

    October 4 2015 at 4:46 PM Sis Lori (Login SisLori009)

    Response to Why the Iglesia ni Cristo is an evil church

    Get out of it fast! To tell you the truth, you are just the milking cows of EVM.
    Don't tell me your minister has not reminded you of your coming payment of your thanksgiving debt this December 2015. Wilson or Markus, I'm sorry to tell you that you are a fraud victim of the Iglesia. Being milked year after year after year. That's why the Sanggunian is taking advantage in stealing Iglesia offerings before the Iglesia closes.


    Yeah whatever. It is not your money anyways, so what's the fuzz

    October 4 2015 at 5:09 PM Markus (Login AureliusMark)

    Response to Wilson or Markus, are you still in the evil Iglesia?



    ah so you're not INC and was never an INC. so, what is your religion?

    October 5 2015 at 12:00 AM wilson (Login wilsonTapang)

    Response to Why the Iglesia ni Cristo is an evil church


    Wilson or Markus is classic example of a Manalo zombie

    October 5 2015 at 3:47 PM Sis Lori (Login SisLori009)

    Response to ah so you're not INC and was never an INC. so, what is your religion?

    No values at all for his life, for his possessions, for his livelihood, for advice that he is trading the path to destruction. The only thing that matters to these zombies is OBEY MANALO who constantly brainwash them in his forced, compulsory, on deacon's watch, man made vain worships to be drugged by Manalo that their greatest wealth on earth is being an Iglesia zombie member. These people do not have anymore souls of their own because their souls are imprisoned by the devil. And where do they meet their devil father? That's right, in their devil's house of vain worship(Mt.15:9)..

  17. #57
    To TS, if I were to believed all that you said in this forum and leave the INC, which church would you advised me to go then? What is your religion? care to share your belief and doctrines?

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Emilio Bonifacio View Post
    To TS, if I were to believed all that you said in this forum and leave the INC, which church would you advised me to go then? What is your religion? care to share your belief and doctrines?
    Advised you to search the written Words of GOD just only within HIS realm of Spiritual Truth by being like a little child.

    Here is a post shared unselfishly from a little child without any taint of financial solicitations as exemplified by the
    one and only Lord JESUS CHRIST that manifested in flesh.

    originally posted by aida

    "JESUS IS THE WAY," CAN WE FOLLOW HIM?


    - How easy to say, "Jesus is the Way and the Truth" as it is written.

    - And equally easy to say, "I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior."

    - But how true is the assertion? Let God be the sole Judge through His words.


    How many people have seen the line separating God’s standard from Man’s standard of (spiritual) good and evil? Who can accept the following having in mind man’s standard of righteousness?

    Isaiah 64:6 "But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousness are as filthy rags…"

    Romans 3:10-12 "…There is none righteous, no, not one. There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one."

    Therefore, the starting point is to distinguish the Two Ways: God’s way or God’s Standard and Man’s way or Man’s standard of good and evil.

    If nobody is righteous in the eyes of God according to His standard, who could show the Way for divine approval and sanctification? Noah? Abraham? Moses? Elias? Jeremiah? Isaiah? Peter? Virgin Mary? John? Paul? NOBODY AND NO ONE! Only God is worthy for the ROLE! But how could He do it when God is a Spirit (John 4:24)? How can people, who are physical beings, follow the Way and example of a Spirit God?


    God’s Plan


    There is only ONE GOD and this is the FATHER, according to what is written:

    1 Corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father , of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

    How many professing Christians thought of the plan of this "one God, the Father" manifesting Himself in the flesh?

    1Timothy 3:16 (KJV) "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh …"

    How many people see JESUS CHRIST as the "God in the flesh," showing the Way to His disciples?

    1 Corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

    The other reason for "GOD manifesting Himself in the flesh" is to fulfill His Testament or Covenant of salvation to those who believe.

    Hebrew 9:16 "For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator."

    It is written in the different books of the Old Testament that the Father God is the one making this Testament, appropriately now called the Testator. Can many people now deny that JESUS CHRIST is the "Father in the flesh," that God could fulfill His testament by death? This alone will reveal who "The Lord our God is one Lord" is, in Deuteronomy 6:4 and Mark 12:29. Emmanuel that means "God with us" is another confirmation for this truth. Well, that is what is written that many people perhaps have overlooked. To confirm this truth further, let us listen to the FATHER speaking:

    Isaiah 52:6 "Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I."

    Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD … I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."

    JESUS CHRIST corroborated what the FATHER said in the following:

    John 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he , ye shall die in your sins."

    Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

    The very people entrusted with God’s words did not recognize JESUS CHRIST. And for that, He was ridiculed and despised. They did not see the "Way" as He said in:

    John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

    Due to spiritual blindness, people who heard JESUS say this saw Him and the Father as two distinct persons relating to each other: The Father "sending," and the Son "being sent." No wonder, it required divine revelation for Peter to recognize JESUS (Matt. 16:16-17).

    Due to the hardness of the heart, people do not want to be like Peter. They try to recognize JESUS with their "flesh and blood" or with human capability. Our Lord therefore rebuked the Scribes and Pharisees for not recognizing Him by the "revelation of the Father." Thus,

    John 8:19 "…Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."

    John 8:54-55 "Jesus answered…it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God. Yet ye have not known him…"

    As it is written the "wise and the prudent," because of human wisdom, have not clearly identified God:

    1 Corinthians 1:19-21 "…I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? …For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God…"

    Who among the people who only recognized JESUS with "flesh and blood" can profess having also known the FATHER that He is no longer a mystery? The general assertion today is "The infinite God is a mystery, incapable of clear recognition with the finite mind of man." Is this not spiritual blindness as our Lord saw in the religious people in His time?


    Saul of Tarsus the persecutor

    Saul of Tarsus before he was known as Paul was a zealous follower of the word of God. He persecuted our Lord, the Truth, for he was not of the truth. Can we not now say that, people may also be zealous followers of the word of God, and yet they could be persecutors of our Lord if they don’t have the Truth in the Word?

    Have people truly identified Who our Lord Jesus Christ is in relation to the One True God? Is not the identification of Jesus limited only to His physical being?

    It was Paul who wrote that there is "only one God and that is the Father." It was also Paul, who wrote, "And without controversy, great is the mystery of godliness, God was manifest in the flesh." Paul therefore recognized Jesus Christ as the one true "God in the flesh." Unwittingly therefore, without truly identifying Jesus Christ and clearly recognizing the Father, many people are like Saul of Tarsus persecuting the Truth.


    Paul followed the Model

    Since no one is righteous and all fall short of the glory of God, there is only ONE who can show the Way to the people. This is JESUS CHRIST, the FATHER in the "flesh." For being a model showing the Way to the chosen, He is called the Son of God.

    God in the person of Jesus Christ, as man, is an ideal model to His chosen. Thus,

    1 Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."

    Saul of Tarsus, an enemy of Christ, after truly identifying his God, became the model who followed the Model. Thus, he said:

    1 Corinthians 11:1 "Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ."

    On one extreme, we may overlook the fact that first we have to identify ourselves with Saul of Tarsus before jumping to be identified with Paul. On the other extreme, it may be difficult for us to identify with Paul specially when it hurts our feeling and sensibility. With this truth before us, we must be ready to follow the Way trekked by him. First, we must accept that we are spiritually dead as Saul of Tarsus was. If he understood the truth in the word before, he should not have persecuted our Lord.

    Proverbs 21:16 "The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead."

    It was only after Saul recognized Jesus as his God that he was given the privilege to understand the Truth in the words.

    Acts 9:4-5 "And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest…"

    The "spiritually dead" Saul of Tarsus was "born again" (John 3:3). He was transformed from being a Natural Man (1 Corinthians 2:14) into a Spiritual Man (1 Corinthians 2:16), now known as Paul the apostle.

    This is where he enjoins all real believers to follow him as he followed our Lord:

    1 Corinthians 11:1 "Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ."
    psalm 56:10

    By the way, i had been out of religiosity for decades.

  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Emilio Bonifacio View Post
    To TS, if I were to believed all that you said in this forum and leave the INC, which church would you advised me to go then? What is your religion? care to share your belief and doctrines?
    Emilio - WALA raw relihiyon a ng mga taong ito (kasamahan ni Aida). Hindi sila nanininiwala sa relihiyon, yan ang pananampalataya nila

    Ito ang paniniwala nila na NAGPATAWA nang malakas sa ken, share ko na sa yo - Ang Diyos (Ama) at si Cristo (anak) daw ay IISA lamang pero may papel-Ama at may papel-Anak.

  20. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by tiburcioSais View Post
    Advised you to search the written Words of GOD just only within HIS realm of Spiritual Truth by being like a little child.

    Here is a post shared unselfishly from a little child without any taint of financial solicitations as exemplified by the
    one and only Lord JESUS CHRIST that manifested in flesh.

    psalm 56:10

    By the way, i had been out of religiosity for decades.
    Oh I see you have a brain like that of a little child then, who tends to follow only what suits and appealing to his/her tiny brain.

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