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    ^^ continuing from the post of tiburcioSais...


    Jhn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


    * the man born of water is the limited human consciousness. This what was quoted from Yeshua as the "Son of man". The "Son of God" is the Cell Spark of divinity that resides in the heart, where the kingdom of heaven is experienced.

    The limited human consciousness is like a personality avatar of the Light Spark. This avatar is reconstructed each time from the grid imprints/records during the conception within the womb. The womb is a waterworld where you are born from.

    The limited human consciousness must yield to the Spirit within so that it can be a usable vehicle for God Spark to interact with space-time. Merging of the two results in Christedness consciousness.

    - the following is an applicable saying: "...be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind (limited human consciousness), that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God (the kingdom of God within/Son of God).



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    acts 2: 38 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

    40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.



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    The personality of Peter in this book is very Essenic, a Messianic Essene - requires baptism, a little bit fear based, separatist like the Essene community he grew up from.

    It can be asked, was Peter baptized by Yeshua?

    No, he was not! He could already have been baptized into the Essene beliefs, way before Yeshua arrived from his so called "Lost Years of Jesus".

    Baptism was not a pre-requisite for receiving the "Holy Spirit". As earlier stated, Yeshua mentioned that children have the kingdom of God within - no qualifications.

    Also, humans are temples of the "Holy Spirit". - was there a qualification in such quotes? Was there mentioned a need for a prayer for having Jesus as personal saviour? No!

    Ye are Gods - that is what Yeshua would have us know, and he did not prequalified either in that quote.

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    Apollonius of Tyana / Pisos-Flavians / Paul




    Deified literary hero:


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    GOD ' s written Words for them >(matt 18:3)

    Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. 1 Cor 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 1 Tim 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
    1 Tim 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
    Ps 68:11 The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it.
    Mk 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
    Acts 13:49 And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.
    1 Cor 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

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    There were religious parties vying for positions in their society. It seems those parties called Pharisees had a religious coup. Yeshua himself was not allied with this group.

    It is most probable that this group mixed the Babylonian practices with their religion. Thus their scriptures and traditions began to have the Babylonian Talmudic influence.

    It would be difficult to untangle which commands and scriptures came from benevolent influence and which ones came from fascist, theocratic beings who abrogated sole Godship over lesser intelligent beings:


    Is this the God who created humans in his own likeness? Why would he tolerate or promote slavery?

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    Naririto ang dalisay na relihiyon na mula lamang sa Salita ng DIOS na KANIYANG ipinasulat:

    Sa mga nakumberte lang ito tulad sa mga maliliit na bata na tiak na tiak naman na lalapastanganin lang ng mga ibang kung anu-anungg mga kamangmangan mula sa mga mistikong karunungan o mga historikong lumangg mga aklat.

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    PURE RELIGION


    - What is Pure Religion in the "literal-physical language" of man?

    - How does God explain it in His "spiritual language?"

    - Who can claim following Pure Religion?


    WW Webster Dictionary gives the meaning of "pure" as spotless, stainless and containing nothing that does not properly belong; and free from moral fault or guilt, marked by chastity (adj. Latin purus). "Religion" means supernatural constraint, sanction, from religare meaning restrain (Latin religio, middle English religioun). God through His words in the Holy Bible defines Pure Religion as:

    James 1:26-27 (KJV) "If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain. Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."

    Denominations composing Christianity, a religion relying on the Holy Bible as spiritual authority, are one in the interpretation of Pure Religion. As defined in the verses, it means “loving and caring for the orphans and the widows who are most materially and emotionally in need.” The establishment and maintenance of the following non-profit institutions, aside from individual good works, are the results of this rendition:

    1.Hospitals
    2.Orphanages
    3.Home for unwed mothers
    4.Home for the aged
    5.Adult training programs
    6.Different charitable institutions and organizations

    Attending to the material needs, aside from emotional guidance, of the unfortunate people is the perceived fruition of Pure Religion. It is with this human understanding that "ecumenism" or the "unity" of Christian denominations is hatched under the aegis of love. In reality, however, they cannot be truly united because of variances in doctrines.

    A glimpse of the deeper meaning

    God is represented by His words (John 1:1) and Jesus Christ is the Word of God (Revelation 19:13 ). Simply stated, God should be the sole authority to speak for HIMSELF through His words! In plain illustration, God speaks through the microphone and the chosen servants should only act as the speaker system. Any sound coming from the speaker system that did not originate from the microphone is the nauseating hiss and hum. The topic will demonstrate how God explains His words. These are some points in the verses that God has to elucidate to clearly understand PURE RELIGION from His point of view:

    1."If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain."

    What is “not keeping a tight rein on one’s tongue” from man’s point of view?

    From God’s point of view on the matter?

    How could one’s heart deceive him?

    2.“To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction.”

    Who are the fatherless and who are the widows from God’s point of view?

    Why only “visit” and not to give all-out support?

    What is their affliction?

    3.“To keep himself unspotted from the world.”

    What is keeping oneself “unspotted from the world” from man’s point of view?

    What is God’s point of view on the matter?


    A. "KEEPING REIN ON ONE’S TONGUE"


    Man’s perception of "keeping rein on one’s tongue" is to speak only on a subject known under appropriate circumstances. To God, speaking on something only He is the sole authority is "not keeping rein on one’s tongue." Examples: The Scribes or Teachers of the Law during the time of Christ expounded on the words of God and people followed them. Our Lord said, "blind guides followed by the blind."

    Christ spoke in parables. Not one of the apostles opened the mouth to explain the parables. Only Christ should explain His words that are expressed in parables.

    Mark 4:34 (KJV) "But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples."

    If Peter, Paul or John explained the parables, then they would "not have kept rein on their tongue.'' Examples: when Jesus said, "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up again." Did any of His apostles volunteer to explain His words? When Jesus gave the parable of the sower (Matthew 13:3-23), did any of the apostles explain the meaning? If they did, then they would have taken His role.

    God is the author of His words and only He is the authority to explain the great message. Who among the people today "keep rein on the tongue?" The dictate of the heart, however, tempts people to take the role of Christ by explaining the words of God.

    Jeremiah 17:9 “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

    (KUNG IPINAPALIWANAG MAN NG MGA ALAGAD - NOON AT NGAYON - ANG MGA SALITA NG DIOS, KAILANGAN AY EKSAKTO LAMANG SA TUNAY NA PAKAHULUGAN NG DIOS SA ISANG TALATA/PAKSA ANG DAPAT NA KANILANG IPINAHAHAYAG)

    Revelation 22:18 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things ( O IIBAHIN ANG MENSAHE NG DIOS), God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book (ANG ESPIRITUWAL NA PAGKABULAG HALIMBAWA):"

    Revelation 22:19 "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy (0 HINDI TINATANGGAP/GINAGAMIT ANG IBANG TALATA KUNDI NAMIMILI LAMANG), God shall take away his part out of the book of life (SILA'Y WALA SA TALAAN NG DIOS SA MGA ILILIGTAS)...."

    Ang mga lider ng pananampalataya ng iba't-ibang relihiyon at ang kanilang mga manggagawa at mga miembro, dahil sa hindi nila pagkaunawa sa mga salita ng Dios, nangyayaring sila ay "nagdaragdag" o iniiba ang tunay na mensaheng ipinararating ng Dios. Gayundin naman, sila ay "nagbabawas" o hindi tinatanggap at ginagamit ang ilang mga talata. Ganoon pa man, sila ay nagtuturuan at nagbibintangan na "nagdaragdag at nagbabawas" gayung sila'y pare-pareho lang naman...na ginagawa ang gayung bagay...para sa ikatataas ng kanilang samahan at ikalalago ng kanilang mga miembro. Ito kung bakit ang Dios ay nananawagan sa mga tao na sila, para tanggapin Niya at maligtas, ay magsialis sa kanila:

    Revelation 18:4 "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her (SA LAHAT NG MGA SEKTA NA PINAMUMUNUAN NG MGA TAO)....that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

    2 Corinthians 6:17 "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,"


    TO BE CONTINUED
    Quote Originally Posted by aida View Post
    PURE RELIGION


    The "letter must die"


    Just as Jesus died on the cross, so should the "letter" in the word that He represents must also die with Him:

    Colossians 2:14 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross."

    The "handwriting of ordinances" refers to the "letter of the law" which, standing alone, cannot represent the truth. This is what Jesus said regarding this:

    John 5:31 "If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true."

    The "letter" has "to die" as Jesus died in order to "rise again" taking the spiritual nature.

    Romans 7:6 "But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter."

    Jesus requires another witness to prove Him to be Truth. Aside from Him is the Father Who should testify to the Truth.

    John 5:31 "If I (Jesus = literal word) bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. 32 There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he (Father = spiritual word) witnesseth of me is true."

    Very clearly therefore, Truth in the words of God requires the LITERAL WORD representing Jesus, and the SPIRITUAL WORD representing the Father. Correspondingly, simply knowing the PHYSICAL JESUS is not enough to clearly recognize Him, for it needs the identity of the Father as well.

    John 8:19 “ …Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

    Here is the rebuke for not recognizing God by simply looking at the PHYSICAL JESUS, in spite of what is written about Him "Emmanuel" or "God with us":

    John 8:54 "Jesus answered… it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: 55 Yet ye have not known him…"

    Seeing Christ without His clear identification follows the non-recognition of the Father. Correspondingly, since Jesus represents the "letter" in the word, simply understanding the literal meaning does not necessarily follow the clear comprehension of the great spiritual message that the Father represents. That is how our Lord exposed the religious people in His time. He called them, "Blind guides leading the blind." Today, who can claim clear recognition of God if Jesus is truly identified?

    Recognizing the "PHYSICAL CHRIST therefore is not enough. We have also to identify the SPIRITUAL CHRIST. These two are one and constitute the Truth. The "Spirit God, the Father," and "Emmanuel, God with us, the Son," are the TWO WITNESSES to the Truth. A guide to the truth was revealed in the Old Testament:

    Deuteronomy 19:15 "One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established."

    Since God is the Word (John 1:1) and Jesus Christ is the Word of God (Revelation 19:13 ), the TWO WITNESSES therefore are the LITERAL and the SPIRITUAL word. Without "Emmanuel" God could not have been seen (John 14:7), is equivalent to, without the "literal word" God could not have communicated with His chosen. Just as the "Spirit God" and "Emmanuel" are one (John 10:30), so also the "spiritual word"" cannot be separated from the "literal word" that establishes the truth. The "third witness" refers to the Holy Spirit that gives "ife" to the words.

    John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth…the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

    Here we can see the Spirit God uttering the Word that represents Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit giving "life" to the words. The "literal word" is "quickened" or given life by the Holy Spirit’s revelation through the very words:

    1 Corinthians 2:12-13 "Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual."

    Here is God’s way to read the Holy Bible. It is not verse-by-verse, or chapter-by-chapter, or book-by-book, as to simply get the context of the story. It must be:

    Isaiah 28:10 KJV "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little."

    Ang pagaaral sa evangelio ayon na rin sa pagtuturo ng Dios ay ang hindi pagalis sa isang paksa o isang titik na pinaguusapan...na kumukuha ng linya sa linya, kaunti dito, at kaunti doon - sa Luma at Bagong Tipan. Halimbawa: Kung ang paksa ay ukol sa "Dios" puro ukol sa Dios (o salitang "Dios") lang ang inyong hanapin at gamitin at huwag ninyong sasamahan ng salitang "tao."

    Halimbawa: sa sinasabi sa 1Juan 5:20 na si Jesucristo ang tunay na Dios, huwag ninyong gagamitin ang 1Timoteo 2:5 na nagsasabing "äng taong si Cristo Jesus" dahil malamang na mangyaring si Jesus ay maging tao lamang sa inyong unawa.

    Ang Juan 14:6 na nagsasabing "si Jesus ang daan, ang katotohanan at ang buhay," ang mga tao sa paggamit ng salitang daan at paghahambing sa mga salitang "pamamagitan at tagapamagitan," nangyaring nahati ang Dios sa dalawa. Umiral magkagayon ang literal na dumaan muna kay Jesus. Sa katotohanan, si Jesus ang DAAN dahil sa mga "halimbawa" na Kaniyang ipinakita sa "salita at gawa" na siyang daan paparoon sa kaligtasan. Sa hindi pagagamit ng mga tao ng Isaias 28:10 sa pagunawa sa Juan 14:6, resulta nito ay nasaisantabi at nabalewala ang "si Jesus ang katotohanan at ang buhay."

    Dagdag sa Isaias 28:10 na pagaaral sa salita ng Dios, alalahanin din natin na ang salita/mga kautusan ng Dios ay espirituwal (juan 6:63, Roma 7:14) kaya't ang paghahambing ay dapat na "espirituwal sa espirituwal" (1 Corinto 2:13). Gayundin naman, ang mga salita o titik, ayon sa isang paksa at pagkakagamit, ay may mga "simbolo" na ang Dios din ang nagpapahayag sa mga kahulugan nito. Halimbawa, ang salitang "lupa" sa tao ay nangangahulugan ng basta lupa. Sa Dios, ito ay tumutukoy sa tao (Jeremias 22:29).

    Panghuli, huwag po kayong "magbabawas" o mamimili lamang ng talata (bagkus ay tanggapin at gamitin ninyo ang lahat ng mga talata at isiping ang Luma at Bagong Tipan ay iisang Aklat ), o dili kaya ay "magdaragdag" na iniiba ang mensahe ng Dios (gaya ng paraan ng mga lider ng pananampalataya). Sa madaling salita, sa Dios lamang po tayo umasa sa lahat ng mga bagay na nauukol sa espirituwal, gaya ng ipinakitang halimbawa ni Jesus nang Siya ay nasa lupa (na nasasasad sa nauunang apat na evangelio sa Bagong Tipan). Mula Gawa hanggang Apocalipsis, doon na nasasaad ang mga kapaliwanagan nito gaya ng kung paaanong si Jesucristo ang tunay na Dios.

    Magpakababa po kayong lahat sa harapan ng Panginoong Jesucristo at Siya mismo ang magpapakilala sa inyo nang lubusan, at magpapaunawa sa inyo sa Kaniyang mga salita. Gaya ng mga alagad na sige-sige lang na nakikinig (bagaman naguguluhan nang una), sa kanilang mga pagtitiyaga sa huli ay suma kanila ang Espiritu Santo.
    Ipinanganak ng tubig o purong salita (mula sa tao ng Dios at sa mismong evangelio kapalit ng pisikal na si Jesus), at sa pagsa inyo ng Espiritu Santo, doon pa lang masasabi na tunay ang "faith" ninyo sa Dios (kaloob nga ang "faith"). Sa gayon, kayo nga ay espirituwal na "bagong nilalang" na. Mula sa pagiging "taong ayon sa laman" (1 Corinto 2:14), kayo ay espirituwal nang tao (1 Corinto 2:15) na "kay Cristo" at may "kaisipan ni Cristo" (1 Corinto 2:16).
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    PURE RELIGION

    B."VISIT THE FATHERLESS AND WIDOWS IN THEIR AFFLICTION."


    If to the Natural Man the "fatherless" are the orphans whose physical fathers had died, Jesus revealed the spiritual father in the following:

    JOHN 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil…he…abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar…"

    Therefore the "fatherless" refer to people who found the TRUTH that now Satan, “the father”, had died in their life. These are the “spiritual orphans” who need to be “visited” and to be taken to the “household of the Lord (Ephesians 2:19).” They are to be fed with the Living Bread or the pure word of God.

    JEREMIAH 15:16 “Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name…”

    God tells us “to visit” them only. This presupposes that it is God Who will take care and feed them with His spiritual words. God is the actual giver, and the chosen are only the messengers.

    The “widows” in the LANGUAGE OF MAN are women whose husbands had died. In the SPIRITUAL LANGUAGE OF GOD, the husband refers to SATAN. This is deduced from the following where God is supposed to be the spiritual “husband.”

    ISAIAH 54:5 “ For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name…”

    JEREMIAH 3:14 “Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family…”

    The “seeds” of God are the truth in His words (Luke 8:11). The “seeds” of Satan are the deceptions in the words of God. Satan showed that he could cite Bible verses (Matthew 4:6). During the time of our Lord, the spiritual “wife” of God were the Disciples who only received His “seeds”. The Pharisees and Sadducees, the religious sects at that time, who followed the Teachers of the Law could not have been the “wife” of God for they had been receiving “seeds” that were not of God. This is gleaned from the warning of our Lord:

    MATTHEW 16:6 “Then Jesus said unto them (Disciples), Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.”

    MATTHEW 16:12 “Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.”

    Doctrines contradictory to what is written in the Holy Bible although supported by Bible verses could not have come from God. These are the “leaven of bread” spoken of by our Lord.

    The “widows” are physical male and female (Galatians 3:28), who had been receiving “strange seeds” or “leaven” in the word. These are the condemned human precepts and religious traditions (Colossians 2:8). Cessation from receiving these strange seeds makes them “spiritual widows” of the enemy of God. Satan now had “died” in their life. Like the “fatherless”, they need to be “visited,” taken to “the household of God,” and be fed with the Living Bread or the pure word of God.

    To be noted is, the “widows are only to be visited.” It seems the role of the believer is relegated to a simple accessory. Let us remember the believer acts as a simple “speaker system” only. It is God Who “speaks over the microphone.” It is God Who explains His words and it is He Who can make them understand the message. It is God Who actually takes care and feeds them spiritually.

    Ephesians 2:8-10 “For by grace (FROM GOD) are ye saved (BECAUSE OF SPIRITUAL HUMILITY) through faith (GOD-GIVEN FAITH); and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast."

    The “affliction of the widows and fatherless” is their spiritual isolation and persecution by the “sons and wives of Satan” (NG MGA TAONG NABIBILANG SA MGA SEKTA) Jesus Christ warned His disciples, a type of the “fatherless and widows”:

    JOHN 16:2 “They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. 3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me (THEY DO NOT KNOW THE REAL CHRIST/TRUE GOD).

    “Whosoever killeth you” does not necessarily mean physical death, but “murder in spirit.”

    Sa mga taong nabibilang sa "sekta," lagi na'y kanilang sinasabi kapag may nakikipagtalo sa kanila na sila daw ay pine-persecute dahil sila ang nasa katotohanan. Paano mangyayaring sila ang nasa katotohanan gayung hindi naman si Jesucristo ang kanilang Dios na siyang KATOTOHANAN? at sa hindi nila pagkakilala sa Kaniya kasabay nito ay wala ring KATOTOHANAN sa kanilang mga ipinahahayag? Ano nga kundi ang "panananampalataya" kailangan ay nakasalig sa dalawang bagay:

    JOhn 8:32 "And ye shall know the truth (JESUS CHRIST), and the truth (THE TRUTH IN HIS WORDS) shall make you free (SPIRITUAL FREEDOM FROM HUMAN PRECEPTS, DOCTRINES, AND RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS)."

    Lingid nga sa kaalaman ng mga tao, ang "persecution" ay espirituwal na pag-persecute sa mga taong mga "kay Cristo" o si Jesucristo ang kinikilalang Dios....na nararanasan ang mga panlalait, panunuya, pagtuligsa, atbp., dahil sa kanilang pagsasalita ng katotohanan ukol sa Kaniya at sa Kaniyang mga salita (hindi kabilang ang mga Pentecostal Oneness dahil bagaman si Jesucristo ang kinikilala nilang Dios, literal naman ang kanilang unawa sa evangelio).

    Matthew 5:11 "Blessed are ye, when men (NATURAL MEN) shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake (FOR THE SAKE OF THE TRUTH ABOUT JESUS CHRIST AND HIS WORDS).

    ........

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    I have a sympathy for the atheists, because they are exercising their free will coupled by their common sense.

    And the religions of this world including their sacred books are full of contradictions and questionable mental impositions:



    The bible is not a person, it is not Jesus. Jesus is not Yeshua, though they are close in linguistics, the human Yeshua was not the caricature that eventually became the composite Jesus.

    It may be right to refer to a Christed being as the Word of God made flesh. But to refer to the written book as God or the Word of God is patronizingly mindless.

    Each Christed being whether named Buddha or Confucius or Yeshua is the Word of God begotten in the flesh. He is animated by the Spark of God. The existential GOD can be termed as the WORD (all caps for differentiation), which was in the beginning with GOD and is GOD. This WORD is essentially the VIBRATION or pure potentiality that manifests as Existence.

    The experiential GOD is individuated into separate identities that indwells the consciousness of beings.

    The written bible is a book full of violence and darkness that a typical man of common sense will not even accept to associate with.


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    Only GOD's revelations become so endearing within the realm of HIS Spiritual Truth and never from word for word interpretations and analysis.

    noah's, noah's ark, where art thou in the letter for letter perceptions of the human mind that is desperately searching just for the visual evidence from GOD's Words that were written.


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    [B] ....
    Quote Originally Posted by aida View Post
    AS IT WAS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH
    Something to think about:

    For the dimension of the Ark, the following are excerpts from Wikipedia regarding the different measurements. With this we can, more or less, figure out the size of the Ark made by Noah based on the instructions of God.

    From Eastman’s Bible dictionary:

    Standard cubit - elbow to end of middle finger (20 inches).

    Lower forearm cubit - elbow to base of the hand (12 inches).

    Considering the following, how physically realistic and feasible for all the things that happened in the Great Deluge? How could all animals and insects in pairs, from the largest animal to the smallest being gathered, accommodated in a small Ark measuring only 300 cubits in length, 50 cubits in breadth, and 30 cubits in height? Following is excerpts from Wikipedia:

    "A cubit is the first recorded unit of length and was one of many different standards of measurement used through history. It was originally based on measuring by comparing to one's forearm length. The Egyptian hieroglyph for the unit shows this symbol. It was employed through Antiquity, the Middle Ages up to the Early Modern Times, especially for measuring cords and textiles, but also for timbers, stone and volumes of grain.

    "The largest animal is the elephant, the male weighs about 24,000 lb (11,000 kg) with a shoulder height of 3.96 metres (13.0 ft), and the smallest insect, the fairy fly that is considered to be the smallest insect known in existence. The fairy-flies are tiny wasps from the Mymaridae family. The Costa Rican fairy-flies males are no larger than .0139 mm in length. Many of these fairy-flies are only about .5 to 1 mm in length and there have even been some found to be no larger than 0.2 mm. This means it was only 0.008 of an inch. Fairy-flies are parasites, which lay their eggs on other insects. Their favorite hosts include beetles, flies, leafhoppers, and booklice. It would take a microscope to see these tiny wasps."

    How could all these animals, including the smallest insects that do not even thrive in a particular place, be brought by Noah to the Ark as God instructed him to do? So also the foodstuff and water needed to sustain all these living things for so long period of time in the Ark that lasted for a little less than one year. For the two elephants alone, data from circus people, "each drinks around 100 to 150 litres of water daily, or 37 gallons," therefore for the two they consume around one and a half drums a day."

    Considering the size of the Ark to accommodate all and the food requirement, so with the kind of container to provide water for the animals and the family of Noah, one needs to think of the feasibility accomplishing this great undertaking........./QUOTE]

    Here's another that rebutted such letter for letter, word for word interpretations matching current catastrophic events with GOD's written Words.
    Truth about creation

    On the creation of man:

    God created man with "free will," that is, the freedom to think and express what is in the heart called feeling or emotion. It is in exercising "free will" that God expects the people to humble themselves in order to realize His promise of eternal life with them. In no way does God control or withhold what was given free in determining who among the people deserve to be with Him in eternity.

    On the creation of nature:

    In like manner, God created nature allowing to take its due course in order to sustain itself. For example, rain occurs from the process of evaporation and condensation. When the water in the clouds becomes too heavy, precipitation occurs and we have rain. Earthquakes happen with the rearrangement of "faults" below the ground. In geology, "a fault is a planar fracture or discontinuity in a volume of rock, across which there has been significant displacement" (Wikipedia). Volcanoes erupt due to intense and uncontrollable heat below the ground, thus causing mountains to burst. The universe that is composed of planets, stars and everything in it, all works in perfect harmony because God created it that way, and allowing everything taking its due course, as man in exercising his "free will." Would God violate His own design without being true to which He is known for?

    In law, earthquakes and all uncontrollable catastrophic events are called acts of God. All these should only be considered "acts of nature." Therefore, considering the truthfulness of God with His creation, the Great Deluge could not have happened literally without certain violations of nature from its right and proper course.

    Example, in the Great Deluge if the highest mountain was submerged with water; thereafter, where did all the water go since it cannot escape to the sea for it must have been of the same level, and the ground did not have the capability to absorb all.
    .....

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by oobi View Post
    I have a sympathy for the atheists, because they are exercising their free will coupled by their common sense.

    And the religions of this world including their sacred books are full of contradictions and questionable mental impositions:

    [video=youtube;rfDJbi5gfC0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfDJbi5gfC0

    The bible is not a person, it is not Jesus. Jesus is not Yeshua, though they are close in linguistics, the human Yeshua was not the caricature that eventually became the composite Jesus.

    It may be right to refer to a Christed being as the Word of God made flesh. But to refer to the written book as God or the Word of God is patronizingly mindless.

    Each Christed being whether named Buddha or Confucius or Yeshua is the Word of God begotten in the flesh. He is animated by the Spark of God. The existential GOD can be termed as the WORD (all caps for differentiation), which was in the beginning with GOD and is GOD. This WORD is essentially the VIBRATION or pure potentiality that manifests as Existence.

    The experiential GOD is individuated into separate identities that indwells the consciousness of beings.

    The written bible is a book full of violence and darkness that a typical man of common sense will not even accept to associate with.

    [video=youtube;0iUxdFM89Kw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iUxdFM89Kw
    What is your absolute belief then. Is it one of them as written below ?

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  10. #50
    ^ The kingdom of God is already within. The individuated Spark of God resides within the heart and tries to mold the limited human consciousness.

    No belief is entirely compatible to the inner personal mission of incarnation or perfectly suitable for the whole of humanity.

    Get what nugget of wisdom one can from all things outer to the Self in order to be used as a tool for growth. But go within to always allow and let the Father in the heaven within to be channeled by the limited human consciousness.


    Ps.

    - don't create a dogma, a scripture or a religion out of the evolving and limited interpretation of divinity. Such is the works of men turning into commerce the temple of the Holy Spirit (which is the human vessel).

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by oobi View Post
    ^ The kingdom of God is already within. The individuated Spark of God resides within the heart and tries to mold the limited human consciousness.

    No belief is entirely compatible to the inner personal mission of incarnation or perfectly suitable for the whole of humanity.

    Get what nugget of wisdom one can from all things outer to the Self in order to be used as a tool for growth. But go within to always allow and let the Father in the heaven within to be channeled by the limited human consciousness.


    Ps.

    - don't create a dogma, a scripture or a religion out of the evolving and limited interpretation of divinity. Such is the works of men turning into commerce the temple of the Holy Spirit (which is the human vessel).
    Are we creating Dogma here ?? - from what we believe after being converted to little children because of revelations from GOD 's written Words in spirit ??

    Posted for the little children:

    matthew 18:3...
    1 Jn 2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.

    1 Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

    1 Jn 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

    1 Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

    1 Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

    1 Jn 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

    1 Jn 5:21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

    GOD ' Words above are our spiritual buckler indeed at these times of current world events too devastating for some human beings to endure due to evil that some men do.

  12. #52
    '^ no, dont take that as an accusation. It was not you. I was just saying that my personal investigations and findings may be used by any readers to create a dogma of their own.

    May be even for some with agenda for power over others, knowledge from many sources can be turned into a system of trapping others.

    - That is how so many religions were created - using picked up knowledge but for creating corporate religious boxes where the founders fleece money from followers.

  13. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by oobi View Post
    ^
    Ps.

    - don't create a dogma, a scripture or a religion out of the evolving and limited interpretation of divinity. Such is the works of men turning into commerce the temple of the Holy Spirit (which is the human vessel).
    I deemed directed upon us converted to little children with the Ps. and the sentence structure.

    No problem and just go ahead for this PEx RoT is a no holds barred exchanges of beliefs and knowledge.

    Would be just childish if I labeled you as getting out of line here in this thread.

    The Truth Spiritually discerned hurts but not for deep and sincere searchers of GOD's Truth that encompasses HIS old and new testaments.

    Bible versions proliferating long enough can not hide the real message but instead the translators unconsciously or probably with self-justified intentions incorporated smokescreens to validate the words according on what they believe or where indoctrinated to.

    For the called at this point in time and perhaps converted to spiritual little children, please continue on further in knowing and recognizing the One and Only True GOD that manifested in flesh deeper, deeper and deeper.
    v v v v v

    Quoted from aida
    Where was God when He manifested Himself in the flesh?


    Perhaps, the big question that bothers the mind of the Natural Man is, "Where was God when He manifested Himself in the flesh?" Jesus was the Father in the flesh, a real man. He is not half-God, half-man, in order to be a perfect model in showing the Way to His brethren. As such, therefore, He was called the "eldest Son of God," and "the only begotten Son of the Father."

    To the Apostles, the question could be gleaned in the request of Philip: "Lord, show us the Father (John 14:8)." Jesus kept on relating to the Father: praying, asking, depending, etc. They knew that Jesus of Nazareth was a real man like themselves, made of "flesh and blood, and of bones." So they wanted "to see" the Father God Who is a Spirit. Jesus told them with a tint of rebuke in His voice, "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me...how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? Jesus told them, "Believest thou not that...the Father is in me?...the Father dwelleth in me (John 14:10)."

    Were the Apostles expected to understand what Jesus told them? Did the Apostles fully recognize God and Jesus at that moment? If they did, they would not have doubted Jesus’ resurrection, and many things He told them before. While the Disciples did not fully comprehend things about God and Jesus, they, however, did not reject what they heard from Him. They "tarried in Jersualem until they were endowed with power and wisdom from on high (Luke 24:49)."

    To the Scribes, Pharisees, Sadducees, Elders of Israel, and the Jews in general, the matter was dismissed as plain stupidity and foolishness. Everything that Jesus told them were all hoax and fraud. They were greatly inflamed when Jesus said, "That ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him (John 10:38)." Jesus was accused of blasphemy and that is one cause of His death. At the moment Jesus said, "the Father is in me," they sought to take him; but he escaped out of their hand (John 10:39). To hear Jesus say, "The Father is in me," must have been very loathsome to the Jews, especially to the Scribes and Pharisees, who did not recognize Him.

    To the real Christians of the 20th and 21st centuries, how does the Son’s claim, "The Father is in me," register in their mind? Is it similar to Jesus’ Disciples’ non-rejection and wait-to-know attitude? Or, to the Scribes’, Pharisees’, and Sadducees’ total rejection and repulsive disposition?

    To the Apostles, the statement "The Father is in me" did not mean much before Pentecost. To the Scribes, Pharisees, and Sadducees, and the Elders of Israel, it was abominable. What did the statement mean to the Apostles after Pentecost? What does it mean to the people believing in the Bible today?

    To the Apostles after Pentecost, the statement meant the revelation of the relationship of the Father and the Son; and the identities of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Son showed that His human body, as a perfect example for His brethren, was the temple or the dwelling place of the Father, a Spirit. The Father promised Himself to be the Inheritance in His Testament (Ezekiel 44:28, Numbers 18:20, Psalms 16:5), but what the real believers received was the Holy Spirit (John 7:39, Acts 2:3, 1 Corinthians 3:16 & 6:19).


    To the Disciples of Christ, the statement meant seeing themselves in the shoes of the model:


    1. Just as the model said, "The Son can do nothing of himself," the Disciples saw themselves saying the same thing.

    2. While Jesus was in His human body, He told them that He was not the real Teacher, but the Spirit:

    JOHN 16:12-13 "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth..."


    The Apostles saw themselves in the shoes of the model. While Jesus spoke the truth, it was not He Who could make the believers understand, but the Holy Spirit; so with the "brethren." This is the rationale behind:

    1 JOHN 2:27 "But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you..."


    This is God’s divine justification for dispensing with human teachers and human trainors for Christ’s chosen servants:


    EPHESIANS 4:11 "And he (Jesus, not any man or group of men) gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;"

    The Apostles, putting themselves in the shoes of the model, including Paul who was appointed by the "spiritual" Christ, replayed the life of the "physical" Jesus. Just as the Son said, "The Father is in me," so the Disciples claimed being "filled" with the Holy Spirit. "The Father or the Holy Spirit is in us:"

    ACTS 13:52 "And the disciples were filled with joy, and with the Holy Ghost."

    HEBREWS 10:15 "Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us..."


    Is this not the same for the Son, a real human being, changing only the Holy Ghost to Father?


    JOHN 5:36-37 "But I have greater witness...the Father hath sent me. And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape."


    The Son was endowed with power and wisdom by the Father, as the Apostles were endowed with power and wisdom by the Holy Spirit!

    ACTS 10:38 "How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power... for God was with him."


    Where was God when He manifested Himself in the flesh? The "flesh" was in front of the very people professing to know the God of Abraham. The "flesh" was with the chosen people of God humbly demonstrating the Way for them. God was never gone, He is a spirit. The spirit God was in the presence of both the believers and the unbelievers. The "flesh" testified to this:

    JOHN 8:29 "And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him."


    WHO IS THE FATHER? WHO IS THE PROMISED INHERITANCE? WHO IS RESIDING IN THE PHYSICAL BODY OF THE DISCIPLES AFTER PENTECOST? WHO WAS RESIDING IN THE PHYSICAL BODY OF THE SON JESUS? WHO IS RESIDING IN THE PHYSICAL BODY OF THE REAL CHRISTIANS TODAY?

    Just as the "flesh" said, "The Father hath not left me alone," so the real Christians also say, "the Holy Spirit is dwelling in us, Who teaches and makes us understand great things about Him." But all these "spiritual things" are foolishness to the NATURAL MAN:

    1 CORINTHIANS 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

    Using the sense of SIGHT (at the baptism of Jesus) and the sense of HEARING (at the 'conversation' of the Father and the Son), and trying to comprehend with the INTELLECT (grammatical plurality of God), is it not a "foolish question" to ask, "WHERE WAS GOD WHEN HE MANIFESTED HIMSELF IN THE FLESH?" We heard this question from the Apostles before Pentecost. But never after Pentecost!


    Jews waiting for the Messiah


    Until now the Jews are still waiting for the promised Messiah. The Messiah came in the person of Jesus Christ. They saw and heard Him speak. But they did not recognize Him! The reason is they "did not come to their God with their whole heart."

    Has that truth passed away in our time? Just as the Jews were entrusted with the Laws or words of God, traditional Christianity is likewise entrusted with the words of God in the Bible. Are not so-called Christians today in the different religious sects, also waiting for the second coming of the Messiah?

    The God of Abraham, the only Savior, came in the form of man and He was not recognized by the Jews. Jesus Christ came in the form of Spirit, the Holy Spirit, and He also is not being recognized by so-called Christians. The Jews are still waiting for their Messiah, just as so-called Christians are waiting for the second coming of Jesus, the Messiah. Can they now both claim "having come to the Lord with their whole heart" that the promised heart to know Him would have been given to them? Who is telling a lie? God or man?

    The Jews, because they did not recognize their Messiah, rejected and killed Him! Can we not see the same thing today how, thousands of Christian religious sects, because they do not recognize the TRUTH Who is the spiritual Messiah, reject and "kill" Him with their man-made doctrines?
    psalm 56:10

  14. #54
    Who Wrote The Bible? Holy Ghost Writer or just men in power?


    What happens if you really follow the bible

  15. #55
    Ang mga written Words of God only in Truth for the salvation of the soul ng mga converted little children.

    Cloudy ang mga Words at deceiving kapag sa literal na ang interpretations mix with physical mind na understanding.

    Quote Originally Posted by aida View Post

    Look how God speaks "spiritual things" or in parables. He is talking of "taking our infirmities and bare sicknesses," but at the same time giving the warning, "blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me." This is put to light by distinguishing miracles from wonders:


    1. "The blind see"

    a. To see the light of the sun, moon, stars, Christmas lights, or

    b. To see the "light of the gospel" which is the truth.



    2. "The deaf hear"

    a. To hear the sound of beautiful music, cry of a baby, listen to a preacher who does not even know God, or

    b. Understand the great message of the word of God.



    3. "The lame walk"

    a. To be able walk in the park, walk going to the chapel or church, or

    b. To "walk on the Way" shown by Jesus Christ.



    4."Cast out evil spirits" (Christ vs. Satan, Truth vs. falsehood and deceptions)

    a. For a person to come to his senses and become normal again, or

    b. For a person to have the strength to renounce everything against the truth.



    5. "Prophesy in the name of Jesus Christ"

    a. To be able to predict political, economic, and social events, or

    b. To plot the "journey" of the soul based on the truth.



    6. "Lazarus raised from the dead"

    a. Rejoicing, for Lazarus living again with his sisters Mary and Martha, or

    b. For a person "to rise from spiritual death" because of spiritual ignorance following human precepts instead of God’s standard of righteousness.


    Proverbs 21:16 "The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead."


    Miracles are superior to wonders because they permanently benefit the SOUL instead of the temporary benefit to the BODY. The BODY returns to dust, while the SOUL still lives after death:


    Genesis 3:19 "…till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."


    Luke 16:22 "And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. "


    The Natural Man perceives Christ’s miracles benefiting the BODY and ignorantly thinking to benefit the soul also.

    1 Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."


    However, it is the superiority of miracles over wonders that Jesus Christ speaks of this extraordinary promise to real believers because the Natural Man has a limited view of their great spiritual message.


    John 14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father."


    When Jesus said, "I go to my Father," this indicates the completion of His role showing the example as model to the real believers. Just as He performed many miracles, so are His followers capable of doing them after finding the truth. These things however are hidden from the people because they are only after wonders. The "wise builders" are clearly distinguished from the "foolish builders" with the revelation of this truth. Their respective "houses" are tested whether they are able to withstand the great "flood and strong wind."

  16. #56

    Mental Slavery - emancipate yourself

    "I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves."


    One problem with zombified bible thumpers is that they are safe from hell by spouting from the bible without discernment. In order to talk with them you may have to quote the bible:


    In practicality, however, this "I side with God, the winner." mentality is a hypocrisy!

    In honest assessment, such is plain mental slavery practiced for convenience.

    insecure bookish Christians would quote this:

    "You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me."


    -let us rephrase that:

    You study the Scriptures diligently because you think you can find in them the eternal life. Fine! If you insist then: - understand that these scriptures is meant for you to know about the "I Am" within.

    - you do that by exercising your own inner discernment, your freewill and the guidance of the "I Am", the "Holy Spirit", within - remember the kingdom of heaven is within.

    With such approach, you begin to know which ones of the writings is about imposter Gods and which ones are compatible with one's inner sense of Godliness.



    "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these."

    - such was a quote from the Jesus character.


    So the Angel or I Am presence of a child plays with angels of heaven.

    But what is this reptilian God that the bible told to have abhorred children?:


    God will punish women by aborting their fetus through a miscarriage.

    “Give them, O LORD–what will You give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.” (Hosea 9:14)

    God teaches the use of a bizarre ritual using cursed “bitter water” to abort a fetus who was conceived through infidelity. (Numbers 5:11-21)

    God orders Moses to kill every Midianite woman who was no longer a virgin. (many of these women would obviously have been pregnant) (Numbers 31:15-18)


    God promises to destroy the infants of Samaria and rip open the stomachs of pregnant women.

    The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open. (Hosea 13:16)



    God allows the pregnant women of Tappuah to be ripped open.

    At that time Menahem, starting out from Tirzah, attacked Tiphsah and everyone in the city and its vicinity, because they refused to open their gates. He sacked Tiphsah and ripped open all the pregnant women. (2 Kings 15:16)


    God commands the killing of infants and nursing babies.

    Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey. (1 Samuel 15:3)


    God repays your enemies by destroying their babies.

    Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us. He who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks. (Psalms 137:8-9)


    Apparently all life is precious to the god of the Bible, unless it is a fetus conceived out of wedlock or conception happens within an “enemy” nation that does not worship him. The Bible teaches that abortion is acceptable if God performs it or he commands it to be done through contaminated water or by violent force….

    You can be a pro-life supporter, but leave your Bible at home. It’s horrific and violent stories against innocent infants and unborn children have no place in a discussion on morality and the value of human life.

    - http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unreaso...child-killing/


    --------

    Yeshua advised some that he was sending them out like sheep among wolves, among the Pharisees (holder of the scriptures), politicians, etc.

    His advice was: "be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves." Discern and put yourselves in the pov of those Pharisees who corrupt the writings, mixing the Babylonian gods and practices with the profound scriptures of wise men. Think how serpents would put themselves into advantage by using the tools of scriptures.

    But then again, remain in the awareness of the I Am within, the Spirit inside that animates an innocent child before it gets messed up by mental programming and slavery.

    Sadly though, because of mental slavery, many christians proceed in life having the innocence of the serpent and being as vulnerable as a child!


  17. #57

    ..while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat..

    Tweaking the scriptures to create a compiled book for mental slavery
    - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...dj5gbxPf3Wy1Oc


    Fingerprints of human interventions:



    The bible is continuously re-written over time and even today:



    We should not abandon the physical and historical evidences that the bible was wrought by human hands. Any curse for tampering written therein favored these human compilers in their serpentine motives to subject people into a common mental paradigm. They could even be purposefully included for fear-mongering:

  18. #58
    Originally Posted by aida;35641150[B

    THE WISE AND FOOLISH BUILDERS - Building the "Spiritual Life" [/B]


    People subscribing to the Holy Bible as basis for salvation all profess: "Jesus Christ is come in the flesh." Yet they have different perceptions of Him:


    1. Some say, "Jesus Christ is only a man and not God" (Arian doctrine, 2nd century A.D.), and its derivative belief "Jesus Christ is only a minor or mighty God for there is an Almighty God."


    2. Others say, "Jesus Christ is the Father and the Holy Spirit" (Oneness or Jesus only doctrine, 2 nd century A.D.), and its derivative belief "Jesus Christ is the Father and the Holy Spirit is only a force of God."


    3. Many say, "Jesus Christ is both God and man, and He is the 2 nd person of the Trinity" (Trinitarian doctrine, 3rd century A.D.).


    Who is "Jesus Christ come in the flesh?" The SON or the FATHER?
    How could the following be reconciled with the answer?


    1 Corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things…"


    1 John 5:20 "And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life."


    2 Corinthians 3:17 "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty (freedom from human precepts and religious traditions)."


    1 Corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but … one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things…"


    With a clear identification of Jesus Christ by divine revelation, all the things purportedly making God a mystery are put to light. Like "right hand," it means power and totality of God.


    Exo. 15:6 "Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O LORD, hath dashed in pieces the enemy."


    Luke 22:69 "Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God."


    This is proven in the following that points to God in the person of Jesus Christ after His plan of salvation:


    Colossians 2:9 "For in him (Jesus) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."


    Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder (power or right hand): and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor (or Comforter), The mighty God, The everlasting Father,"


    How many people noticed that God had not yet revealed His name in the Old Testament? "I am that I am," "Lord," "El Shadai," "Jehovah," "Yahweh," "Rose of Sharon," "YHWH" are not names but titles or descriptions of God. God revealed this in the following:


    Isaiah 52:6 "Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I."


    How many people know the NAME of God? Not even Christ’s Apostle knew it until they were endowed with divine knowledge and wisdom after Pentecost.


    Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father (is father a name?), and of the Son (is son a name?) , and of the Holy Ghost (is Holy Ghost a name?) ."


    How many people know the NAME God? They say God has several names, but it is written He has not yet revealed His name in the Old Testament (Isaiah 52:6). It required a "miracle" for Simon Peter to identify JESUS.


    Matthew 16:16 "And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ (in His role as Father), the Son of the living God (in His role as Son of God). 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood (self competence) hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven."


    It was also to Peter that the NAME of the Father, the NAME of the Son, and the NAME of the HOLY SPIRIT was revealed after Pentecost.


    Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."


    From the inquiry of the humble Scribe, Jesus Christ set the basic principle for LOVE:


    FIRST STEP – Know or be able to identify the One True God.


    SECOND STEP – Love Him, and never a strange or unknown God (1st to 3 rd of the Ten Commandments).


    THIRD STEP – Love "thy neighbor as thyself"


    Mark 12:29 “And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel ; The Lord our God is one Lord (1st step) :30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: (2 nd step) this is the first commandment. 31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself (3rd). There is none other commandment greater than these."
    Quote Originally Posted by john 5:39 View Post
    john 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

    and then because of HIS permissive will, the open invitation:
    john 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

    Enlightening posts from some of GOD's only Truth eternal life searchers, the spiritual little children.




    GOD, praise YOU for the direct Spiritual written message.

    No money involved, no organizational hierarchy, absence of corporate status hence not legally needed to be SEC registered and not violating government laws of any country.

    GOD, praising YOU again for the Spiritual truth and not of the letter only from YOUR written Words that killeth the former spirit within inside my soul. To the effect that same affected my physical component that resulted for me to went astray. Finally, by being a spiritual little children i was directed on to this john 5:39.
    GOD[/B] i rejoice so much for YOUR Words like these that nullified all religions, sects or denominations organized under an allegation of doubtful veracity that money is just nothing for their existence with pretensions. Some that really prosper (of course with the charismatic bandwagon sweet talk blessings to lure the highest number of gullible people ) forcefully and proudly preached that because of their untiring service to GOD, they are abundantly blessed with so much financial blessings and riches. Logic is where do all of these came from - needless to expound more indeed for the easily recognizable sources and facts.

    [/I]GOD, thank YOU so much again for this freely given eternal soul salvation.

  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by aida;37362301 . . . . .


    Words of God in the Holy Bible


    God is a Spirit (John 4:24). He spoke so that He could relate to us (John 1:1). His words are those found in the Holy Bible (2 Pet. 1:21, 2 Timothy 3:16). We are physical beings, earthly, and could only comprehend the literal-physical meaning of the words. Perhaps, we can ascribe further meanings to them through symbolism, but at most limited to moral lessons. It is written, God’s "language" is expressed in parables:

    Ezekiel 20:49 "Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?"

    Who can explain the parable except God Himself through His words![/B
    It was prophesied, Jesus Christ would speak in parables:

    Psalms 78:2 "I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:"

    Jesus Christ said in Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Did He not imply that His words are like prophecies that will all come to pass? It is written, "the laws (words) of God are spiritual (Romans 7:14)." Jesus Christ revealed His "language" in the following:

    John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

    "Private interpretation" therefore includes all people, apostles and religious leaders not excepted. Only God can interpret His words. Like prophecies, "not a jot or a tittle will come to pass without being fulfilled." God should be the sole SPEAKER over the microphone. His servants serve only as the speaker system. Any sound not coming from the SPEAKER is the pestering hum and hiss, a noise. Perhaps the meaning of the following is now revealed:

    Revelation 5:1 "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? 3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. 5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David , hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof."

    Is it any wonder therefore why all hypothesis or educated guess in the past regarding the identity of the Beast and his mark of "666" were all erroneous? Who can explain God’s words with His spiritual language but the Lion of the Tribe of Juda or the Root of David alone!

    Mark 4:34 "But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples."

    Why do some people take upon themselves the authority to explain the words of God? Did the apostles and prophets take this authority? It is written, these chosen vessels of God acted only as His spokesmen.

    Perhaps, their relationship with God is better illustrated in the following: God is the One speaking over the microphone, and the apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers should act only as the Speaker System. Without someone speaking over the microphone, there could be no sound but the pestering hum and hiss. How many people see this relationship of God with His chosen servants? How many people commit the mistake of looking at PERSONS as if they are the ones talking over the microphone?

    Which is the book referred to in Revelation 5:1-5, considering that God was speaking in parables? Is there anyone who can explain the words of God, that are expressed in parables? Peter, John, Paul, or the other apostles?

    John 10:6 "This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them."

    Very clearly, the BOOK refers to no other than the HOLY BIBLE! But the Natural Man, who is limited to intellectual, sensual (of the senses) and emotional perception, cannot swallow his ego and says, "Can I not open the Holy Bible, read and understand the contents? Did not God give me the intellect to comprehend His message?" Could we imagine the Apostles saying this?

    This is precisely what is happening in the Christian religion today, that is why it is divided into 1001 denominations, each claiming the TRUTH!
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    1 Cor 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

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    GOD vs. MAN’S EXPLANATION OF THE LORD’S PRAYER (2)

    Quote Originally Posted by aida View Post
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    Let us consider how God through His words explain the Lord’s/Apostles’ Prayer:


    "OUR FATHER, HALLOWED BE THY NAME"


    How easy for anyone to say "Our Father." Our Lord however rebuked the religious people under the leadership of the Scribes and Pharisees who called God "our Father" when they did not know Him!

    John 8:54 "Jesus answered...it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: 55 Yet ye have not known him..."

    According to our Lord Jesus Christ, "to know Him is to recognize the Father also."

    John 8:19 "Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."

    Professing to "know Jesus" and pretending to "recognize the Father" is, perhaps, the height of spiritual hypocrisy.

    "Our Father" is an expression of clear recogntion of God. In fact, this is the essence of the First Commandment - an introduction of God of Himself. It is not just the simple knowledge that God delivered the Israelites from slavey in Egypt.

    Exodus 20:2 "I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

    Recogntion of God, as the First Commandment, is the first step for the rest of the commandments. This is revealed by our Lord in:

    Mark 12:28 "And one of the scribes came...asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God ...this is the first commandment. 31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these."

    Just as "knowing God" is the FIRST COMMANDMENT of the TEN, so is recognition of "the Lord our God is one Lord" is the PREREQUISTIE to the TWO GREAT COMMANDMENTS. Belief in one God is not enough:

    James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

    Ang talata pong ito ay hindi basta nagpapahayag na ang mga demonio ay nananampalataya sa iisang Dios kaya't ang tao man ay dapat na maging gayon na nananampalataya na ang Dios ay iisa. Manapa, ang talata pong ito ay nagpapahayag na ang sinomang tao na basta lamang na nananampalatayang ang Dios ay iisa at hindi Siya nakikilala, kapara niya ay isang demonio na kunwa'y nanginginig, may paggalang at natatakot sa Kaniya, datapuwa't sa katotohanan ay walang habas silang nangangaral ng kasinungalingan ukol sa Kaniya at sa Kaniyang mga salita. Halimbawa:

    1 Corinto 9:14 "Gayon din naman ipinagutos ng Panginoon na ang mga nagsisipangaral ng evangelio ay dapat mangabuhay sa pamamagitan ng evangelio."

    Ang talatang ito ay ipinapaliwanag ng mga lider ng pananampalataya sa paraang ang mga nagsisipangaral ng evangelio dapat ay pisikal na mangabuhay - at maging ang kanilang pamilya - mula sa salaping nagbubuhat sa mga miembro. Mula sa Malakias 3:10, idinugtong nila dito ang "Mangagbigay kayo at kayo ay bibigyan," at presto! Nakabuo sila ng katuruan na ang mga tao dapat ay magbigay ng ikapu! Sinasalungat ng iba, nabago na raw ang utos kung kaya't dapat ay magbigay mula sa puso, o kung magkano ang bukal sa kanilang kalooban na ibigay. Mula rito, kunin natin ang panig ng Dios ukol sa mga sinasabi nilang ito:

    Isaias 52:3 Sapagka't ganito ang sabi ng Panginoon, Kayo'y naipagbili sa wala; at kayo'y matutubos ng walang salapi."

    Sa katotohanan, ang tunay na mensahe sa 1 Corinto 9:14 ay ganito: Sinomang mangangaral ng evangelio dapat ay espirituwal na mabuhay na ang ipinagangaral ay purong salita ng Dios o katotohanan at pawang katotohanan lamang. Espirituwal na buhay at kamatayan ng mga tao ang nakasalalay sa gawaing ito kung kaya't sinabi ng Panginoon ito.

    Ang literal na pagiikapu o pagbibigay ng ikasampung bahagi ng kinikita ng mga tao (o anomang uri ng abuluyan at pagbibigay) sa isang gawain ay isa lamang pong raket at pinakamalaking raket na naimbento ng mga tao sa buong kasaysayan ng mundo! Sa mga taong biktima ng panlilinlang na ito, kilalanin nga ninyo ang namumuno sa inyo:

    Roma 16:17 "Ngayo'y ipinamamanhik ko sa inyo, mga kapatid, na tandaan ninyo yaong mga pinanggagalingan ng pagkakabahabahagi at ng mga katitisuran, laban sa mga aral na inyong nangapagaralan: at kayo'y magsilayo sa kanila."

    Roma 16:18 "Sapagka't ang mga gayon ay hindi nagsisipaglingkod sa Cristong Panginoon, kundi sa kanilang sariling tiyan; at sa pamamagitan ng kanilang mabuting pananalita at maiinam na mga talumpati ay dinadaya ang mga puso ng mga walang malay."
    . . . . .
    1 Cor 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
    Quote Originally Posted by oobi View Post
    There is value in using any written material and in identifying with the invented Jesus character. It is a form of inner alchemy to give oneself the self-forgiveness it requires to be free.

    But Christianity and a bookish claim of salvation have reach its limit. In many cases, it becomes a form of elitism and separation - where one rejoice in his self assured box which is a half truth.

    For heaven to be manifest on the surface of the earth, humanity must go beyond alchemy coming from the outside.

    Yeshua goes within the inner closet of his own heart when he prayed. There within, his limited consciousness meets with the I Am or his Father residing within.

    The essence or vibration of intent is more effective than babbling some pre-formatted words:

    [video=youtube;-uoHquJYGPM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uoHquJYGPM


    The Prayer To Our Father
    (translated into first century Aramaic)

    Abwűn
    "Oh Thou, from whom the breath of life comes,

    d'bwaschmâja

    who fills all realms of sound, light and vibration.

    Nethkâdasch schmach
    May Your light be experienced in my utmost holiest.

    Tętę malkuthach.

    Your Heavenly Domain approaches.

    Nehwę tzevjânach aikâna d'bwaschmâja af b'arha.
    Let Your will come true - in the universe (all that vibrates)
    just as on earth (that is material and dense).


    Hawvlân lachma d'sűnkanân jaomâna.
    Give us wisdom (understanding, assistance) for our daily need,

    Waschboklân chaubęn wachtahęn aikâna
    daf chnân schwoken l'chaijabęn.

    detach the fetters of faults that bind us, (karma)
    like we let go the guilt of others.


    Wela tachlân l'nesjuna
    Let us not be lost in superficial things (materialism, common temptations),

    ela patzân min bischa.

    but let us be freed from that what keeps us off from our true purpose.

    Metol dilachie malkutha wahaila wateschbuchta l'ahlâm almîn.
    From You comes the all-working will, the lively strength to act,
    the song that beautifies all and renews itself from age to age.


    Amęn.
    Sealed in trust, faith and truth.
    (I confirm with my entire being)


    - http://www.thenazareneway.com/lords_prayer.htm

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