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    Quote Originally Posted by Nietono_no_Shana View Post
    @djaynitor

    I don't have it, but it doesn't change the fact that the comparison is invalid. They should have the same year to be valid.

    I'm not saying your statement is incorrect, but to have an objective analysis they should have the same year (specifications).

    Bottom Line: You don't compare a 2006 Toyota Corolla to a 2012 Ford Focus.
    Bottom line: East Timor has higher unemployment to PI. Thus the statement: "PI has highest unemployment in East Asia" is WRONG.

    Ergo this thread should be deleted because the opening statement is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djaynitor View Post
    Bottom line: East Timor has higher unemployment to PI. Thus the statement: "PI has highest unemployment in East Asia" is WRONG.

    Ergo this thread should be deleted because the opening statement is wrong.

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    Bring that up with Channel News Asia. There's a link on the OP.

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    @djaynitor

    Since you don't have any factual data to backup your claim then your call for the thread to be deleted cannot be justified.

    Bottom Line: You only compare with information currently available, not with information 5 years ago.

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    News article dated 6-Jul-2012:

    But unemployment is high, and East Timor is still one of the region’s least developed countries. Of the 1 million-plus people in East Timor, two-thirds are under the age of 30, and officials say between 50 and 60 percent of those are out of work.

    Link: East Timor is changing, but not fast enough

    Bottomline: PI **DOES NOT** have the highest unemployment rate in Southeast Asia as the title of this thread claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nietono_no_Shana View Post
    @djaynitor

    Since you don't have any factual data to backup your claim then your call for the thread to be deleted cannot be justified.
    Oh yes, I do: East Timor is changing, but not fast enough

    I'll leave it with the mods what to do with this thread.

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  6. #26
    Nope. Not gonna do anything with this thread. Like I said, bring it up with Channel News Asia.

    It's their news and they have a credibility to sustain.

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    mr. just, tanggapin na lang natin. you cant have it all.

    okay naman ang stock market ah. may latest upgrade pa sa pinas. pati tourism malaki improvement.

    tsaka bakit east timor pa gagamiting bench mark kung talagang umuunlad na tayo??



    http://thepoc.net/thepoc-features/po...nos-watch.html

    Jobless numbers soar under Aquino’s watch

    Despite a seemingly rosy picture of the economy as portrayed by the expanding GDP, strong performance of the local stock market, and influx of foreign direct investments, economic growth remains neither sustainable nor inclusive as more Filipinos suffer from the chronic problem of joblessness and poor quality of jobs under the Aquino administration.

    Independent research group IBON estimates that the number of unemployed and underemployed increased to 11.9 million in 2012. An additional 48,000 Filipinos became unemployed to reach 4.4 million, while 349,000 Filipinos were added to the pool of the underemployed to reach 7.5 million.

    This translates to an unemployment rate of 10.5 percent while the underemployment rate increased to 20 percent from 19.3 the year before, the independent think-tank states.

    IBON’s figures are estimates on official data correcting for the change in methodology that underreports unemployment.

    The government adopts a more stringent definition of unemployment which it said is more in tune with international standards. Those who were without work and not actively seeking work were no longer automatically included in the labor force and unemployment figures, naturally resulting in lower unemployment figures without the government having to actually generate jobs.

    Numbers don’t lie

    But even as the methodology used by the government tends to obscure the true extent of joblessness, official data still paint a grim picture of the country’s employment situation.

    The government’s own labor statistics would show that the number of unemployed and underemployed reached an all-time high: 2.9 million and 7.9 million respectively. The number of unemployed workers soared by 2,000 while the underemployed rose by 812,000.

    This pegs the government unemployment figure for 2012 at 7.0 percent, making the Philippines the country with has the highest unemployment rate in East Asia: Thailand (0.6 percent), Singapore (1.7 percent), Malaysia (3.0 percent), Korea (3.0 percent), China (4.1 percent, Taiwan (4.3 percent), Vietnam (4.4 percent), and Indonesia (6.5 percent.

    Amidst these worsening unemployment numbers, observers and economists now doubt the ability of the Aquino administration to meet its goal of reducing the employment rate to 4-5% by the end of 2016.

    While ideally economic expansion would translate to more jobs and a higher rate of job creation, the number of jobless and those with low-paying jobs continue to soar at unprecedented levels.

    Economists have observed that the last decade has seen the fastest growth in the post-Marcos era. At the same time, however, it has also seen record joblessness and increasing numbers of poor Filipinos aside from severe inequality.


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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_tracer View Post
    mr. just, tanggapin na lang natin. you cant have it all.

    okay naman ang stock market ah. may latest upgrade pa sa pinas. pati tourism malaki improvement.

    tsaka bakit east timor pa gagamiting bench mark kung talagang umuunlad na tayo??
    Simple lang naman ang usapin - tama ba na paratangan na "Philippines' Unemployment rate Highest in Southeast Asia"?

    Base sa info na binigay ko - MALI ITO. Mas mababa pa rin ang unemployment sa East Timor kaysa Pinas.

    Wala akong sinasabing ginagamit na bench mark ang East Timor.

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    The general stats you provided is quite misleading. So I dug something up and here, I got a better stats to share. I don't know that much when it comes to stats so I came up with whatever stock knowledge I have.

    This is from the NSO quickstat for January 2013:

    Total 15 years old and over (in '000): 63,682

    Labor force participation rate: 64.1%

    Employment rate: 92.9%
    Underemployment rate: 20.9%
    Unemployment rate: 7.1%

    Total employed persons (In thousands): 37,940
    Total underemployed persons (In thousands): 7,934
    Total unemployed persons (In thousands): 2,894

    Class of worker (In percent)
    Wage and salary workers: 60.2
    Self-employed: 26.9
    Own-account: 3.5
    Unpaid family workers: 9.4

    9.4% of UNPAID FAMILY WORKERS translate to more than 4,000,000 people. This figure is actually worse than being UNEMPLOYED, but let's consider them equally deprived of benefits deserving of someone that is employed. And thus, we'll have the figure 6,900,000.

    Or, 11% of the labor force that DO NOT GET ANYTHING, may they be employed or otherwise.

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    9.4% of UNPAID FAMILY WORKERS translate to more than 4,000,000 people. This figure is actually worse than being UNEMPLOYED, but let's consider them equally deprived of benefits deserving of someone that is employed. And thus, we'll have the figure 6,900,000.

    Or, 11% of the labor force that DO NOT GET ANYTHING, may they be employed or otherwise.
    Whoah, not far a figure from the other surveys, right?

    Eto pa isang discrepancy among the surveys:

    SWS collected data from people 18 years old and older, while the NSO had the limit at 15 years old.

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    channel news asia nagsabi eh. hindi patakbuhin ang network na 'yan.

    hindi ko nilulubog ang pilipinas. sinasabi ko lang yung totoo.

    katulad sa kabilang thread, yes phils. is going to build a railway system. but it is not a bullet train. iba ang bullet train.

    susme duy. parehas kayo ni noynoy resistant mag accept ng facts.

    oh ayan:

    pati bangladesh sinama ko na rin.

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/coun...mployment-rate


    BANGLADESH.......4.50

    BRUNEI.................2.60

    CAMBODIA............0.20

    EAST TIMOR.........3.60

    INDONESIA..........6.14

    LAOS...................2.50

    MALAYSIA............3.00

    MYANMAR.............4.01

    PHILIPPINES........7.10

    SINGAPORE...........1.90

    THAILAND.............0.62

    VIETNAM..............1.81

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taga-dagat View Post
    Unpaid family workers: 9.4

    9.4% of UNPAID FAMILY WORKERS translate to more than 4,000,000 people. This figure is actually worse than being UNEMPLOYED, but let's consider them equally deprived of benefits deserving of someone that is employed. And thus, we'll have the figure 6,900,000.

    Or, 11% of the labor force that DO NOT GET ANYTHING, may they be employed or otherwise.
    They are unpaid family workers out of their own volition. They don't count as unemployed per international standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_tracer View Post
    EAST TIMOR.........3.60
    This is incredible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djaynitor View Post
    WRONG.

    The following Asian countries have higher unemployment than PI: 7.1%:

    Uzbekistan: 8.0
    Kyrgyzstan: 8.2
    Syria: 9.2
    Lebanon: 10.0
    Iran: 11.5
    Jordan: 11.9
    Mongolia: 12.2
    Bahrain: 15.0
    West Bank: 17.2
    Iraq: 18.0
    East Timor: 20.0
    Afghanistan: 36.0
    Nepal: 46.0
    Tajikistan: 60.0
    Turkmenistan: 70.0

    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...mployment_rate

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    pls indicate the size of the population vs. the percentage........at ever so reliable wikipedia pa ang gamit mo ha,,,,

    Uzbekistan: 8% Population: 28,394,180 x .08 = 2,271,534 unemployed
    Kyrgyzstan: 8.2% Population: 5,496,737 x .082 = 450,732.434 unemployed
    Syria: 9.2% Population: 22,530,746 x .092 = 2,072,828.632 unemployed
    Lebanon: 10% Population: 4,140,289 x .1 = 414,028 unemployed
    Iran: 11.5% Population: 78,868,711 x .115 = 9,069,901.765 unemployed
    Jordan: 11.9% Population: 6,508,887 x .119 = 774,557.553 unemployed
    Mongolia: 12.2% Population: 3,179,997 x .122 = 387,959.634 unemployed
    Bahrain: 15% Population: 1,248,348 x .15 = 187,252.2 unemployed
    West Bank: 17.2% Population: 2,622,544 x .172 = 451,077.568 unemployed
    Iraq: 18% Population: 31,129,225 x .18 = 5,603,260.5 unemployed
    East Timor: 20% Population: 1,143,667 x .20 = 228,733.4 unemployed
    Afghanistan: 36% Population: 30,419,928 x .36 = 10,951,174.08 unemployed
    Nepal: 46% Population: 29,890,686 x .46 = 13,749,715.56 unemployed
    Tajikistan: 60% Population: 7,768,385 x .6 = 4,661,031 unemployed
    Turkmenistan: 70% Population: 5,054,828 x .7 = 3,538,379.6 unemployed

    Philippines: 25.4% Population: 103,775,002 x .254 = 26,231,850.508 unemployed vs 11.1million data by sunstar

    age bracket for eligible employment was not considered, but this is a rough estimate....clearly "ARAW ARAW NA NAMIN KAYONG FINOFOOL"

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    Quote Originally Posted by markfroilan View Post
    pls indicate the size of the population vs. the percentage........at ever so reliable wikipedia pa ang gamit mo ha,,,,

    Uzbekistan: 8% Population: 28,394,180 x .08 = 2,271,534 unemployed
    Kyrgyzstan: 8.2% Population: 5,496,737 x .082 = 450,732.434 unemployed
    Syria: 9.2% Population: 22,530,746 x .092 = 2,072,828.632 unemployed
    Lebanon: 10% Population: 4,140,289 x .1 = 414,028 unemployed
    Iran: 11.5% Population: 78,868,711 x .115 = 9,069,901.765 unemployed
    Jordan: 11.9% Population: 6,508,887 x .119 = 774,557.553 unemployed
    Mongolia: 12.2% Population: 3,179,997 x .122 = 387,959.634 unemployed
    Bahrain: 15% Population: 1,248,348 x .15 = 187,252.2 unemployed
    West Bank: 17.2% Population: 2,622,544 x .172 = 451,077.568 unemployed
    Iraq: 18% Population: 31,129,225 x .18 = 5,603,260.5 unemployed
    East Timor: 20% Population: 1,143,667 x .20 = 228,733.4 unemployed
    Afghanistan: 36% Population: 30,419,928 x .36 = 10,951,174.08 unemployed
    Nepal: 46% Population: 29,890,686 x .46 = 13,749,715.56 unemployed
    Tajikistan: 60% Population: 7,768,385 x .6 = 4,661,031 unemployed
    Turkmenistan: 70% Population: 5,054,828 x .7 = 3,538,379.6 unemployed

    Philippines: 25.4% Population: 103,775,002 x .254 = 26,231,850.508 unemployed vs 11.1million data by sunstar
    Wrong, dude. Yung ibang countries masyadong mataas ang young population, then yung iba elderly naman, e. Kaya mahirap magrough estimate diyan.

    Just use the percentage of the rated working population, not the entire population, per country. Philippines' is at 64%, the total population of all able-bodied 15 year old-ers and up. So that translates to roughly 64,000,000 individuals. NSO's 7.1% then is 4,544,000. This figure has been significantly lowered due to a threshold downgrade done under Aquino's first year. The news' 25% is 16,000,000. 11% is at about 7,000,000.

    Never mind OTHER figures that have been purposely underrated to cover the mess up. I dunno about the other countries.

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    iba talaga ang daan matuwid .. wala patid ang asenso .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taga-dagat View Post
    Wrong, dude.

    Just use the percentage of the rated working population, not the entire population, per country. Philippines' is at 64%, the total population of all able-bodied 15 year old-ers and up. So that translates to roughly 64,000,000 individuals. NSO's 7.1% then is 4,544,000. This figure has been significantly lowered due to a threshold downgrade done under Aquino's first year. Never mind OTHER figures that have been purposely underrated to cover the mess up.

    I dunno about the other countries.
    true,i stand corrected. then the other countries numbers would also go down...

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    Quote Originally Posted by djaynitor View Post
    This is incredible.

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    eh binigay na nga sa iyo ang link.

    in denial ka pa rin?

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/coun...mployment-rate

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_tracer View Post
    eh binigay na nga sa iyo ang link.

    in denial ka pa rin?

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/coun...mployment-rate
    It is incredible because other sources provide a stat of 50% unemployment for East Timor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_tracer View Post
    This pegs the government unemployment figure for 2012 at 7.0 percent, making the Philippines the country with has the highest unemployment rate in East Asia: Thailand (0.6 percent), Singapore (1.7 percent), Malaysia (3.0 percent), Korea (3.0 percent), China (4.1 percent, Taiwan (4.3 percent), Vietnam (4.4 percent), and Indonesia (6.5 percent.
    And then where are the figures for other countries in the region? East Asia is not limited to Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia, Korea, China, Taiwan, Vietnam, and Indonesia.

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