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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    whether or not fake yung mga presented original sources ng history is another issue.

    ganito lang iyan eh:

    presented Original Source VS completely absent source

    in short buti pa iyung meron kesa sa wala, diba? mas mapapagkatiwalaan iyung may naipakikitang pruweba kesa sa iyung puro pambobola lang!
    Ganito lang kasimple yan: Papyrus and papers where the original manuscript was written cannot and will not stand the time, it will decay at basic common sense yan, But buried stone where they carved something will stand for ages.kaya apples and oranges ang analogy mo.

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    i was referring to the heroes of the bible stories tulad nila adam, abraham, noah, samson, angel gabriel.

    si hitler alam nating mayroon niyan dahil kitang kita sa video. eh paano iyung character ng biblia? how do you know na hindi lang basta kwentong kutsero mga yun?
    lol! Video naman ngayun...So kung walang video eh hindi na totoo? Hehe. The OT is a historical books that was written long long time ago. And the are archeological findings that those names notably King David was mentioned.

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    i am completely agnostic on that. basta di ako makapaniwala na ang dios ay KSP at INSECURE tulad ng pinaniniwalaan mo....na di lang mabigyan ng complete attention eh gigil na gigil na sa galit!
    Akala mo lang iyun na KSP ang God. Pero di mo ma-rebutt na the God that you believe in is also the God of the Hebrew people...or else where did you learn that there is God? Baka may balak kang sagutin? Kung masaagot mo lang.

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    kasi nga they are parasites. they are harmful.
    how about your version of god, what is his excuse for allegedly torturing people? can people harm your bible god?
    You are missing the point. The truth is, sa matuwa ka o sa magalit eh pumapatay ka ng living things with LIFE... anytime, any day, anywhere kasi nga you consider them parasites...pero kapag iyung author of life ang gagawa nun eh may problema ka and you consider him a PSYCHOPATH and He has no right to consider you a parasite? A nuisance to his creation? And to TOAST YOU ON FIRE? Ganun ba yun? Eh nasasaan ba ang logic nun?

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    was just trying to remind you na masama iyung ginagawa mo, wishing for people to go to hell. Interpretation mo lang yun. Cant you just leave that decision to God himself?
    O eh bakit ka naman kinakabahan eh WALA NAMAN HELL sabi nyo di ba? At walang life after death that the God of the Hebrew people (whom you believe THE GOD) declared to eradicate the PARASITES from his creations and throw them in the lake of fire which you also do to all living things with life AT WILL AND ANYTIME YOU WISH and don't you think that is fair?

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Ganito lang kasimple yan: Papyrus and papers where the original manuscript was written cannot and will not stand the time, it will decay at basic common sense yan, But buried stone where they carved something will stand for ages.kaya apples and oranges ang analogy mo.
    did you forget about the story about the stone tablets and the relics associated with them? protected ba? NO!



    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Akala mo lang iyun na KSP ang God. Pero di mo ma-rebutt na the God that you believe in is also the God of the Hebrew people...or else where did you learn that there is God? Baka may balak kang sagutin? Kung masaagot mo lang.
    FYI it wasnt the Hebrews who invented the concept of 'god'. so anyone is free to imagine what god is.

    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    You are missing the point. The truth is, sa matuwa ka o sa magalit eh pumapatay ka ng living things with LIFE... anytime, any day, anywhere kasi nga you consider them parasites...pero kapag iyung author of life ang gagawa nun eh may problema ka and you consider him a PSYCHOPATH and He has no right to consider you a parasite? A nuisance to his creation? And to TOAST YOU ON FIRE? Ganun ba yun? Eh nasasaan ba ang logic nun?
    brad ikaw lang talaga ang alam kong nagsasabing cruel ang pumatay ng parasites at harmful creatures.

    and why would god consider me a parasite? am i harming god? if i am then sure he can squash me anytime. so answer the question, AM I HARMING GOD?

    also, i am part of God's creation so how can you say i'm a nuance to his creation? who made me like this? who placed me in this situation in life? diba si god din? so you see God is fully responsible for me and what i do.
    There is no moral excuse for blaming something that you are responsible for.

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    did you forget about the story about the stone tablets and the relics associated with them? protected ba? NO!

    Common sense lang yan brad. It was transferred to Papers, why do we need the Stone? Ano ba yan?

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    FYI it wasnt the Hebrews who invented the concept of 'god'. so anyone is free to imagine what god is.
    Kahit na anong palusot ang gawin mo eh the God of the Hebrews pa rin ang origin ng GOD that you acknowledges. Kaya nga lang eh binabago mo ang concepto base sa kapritso mo. In short gumawa ka ng sarili mong God from someone else God.


    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    brad ikaw lang talaga ang alam kong nagsasabing cruel ang pumatay ng parasites at harmful creatures.
    You decided to yourself and the society that taking a life of a living things is but normal if it is considered parasites or pest in the society. Parang criminal that is considered a parasite in the human society that needs to be eradicated..kaya we execute Criminals whom we consider a pest in the society di ba?

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    and why would god consider me a parasite? am i harming god? if i am then sure he can squash me anytime. so answer the question, AM I HARMING GOD?
    Man are govern by the law of man with consequences if violated di ba? In the same manner God created a law to every man, the only difference is, The judgment for the violation of God's law is not quick and decisive believing man will repent, but it will come to an end once man breath his last, which is also the the end of his right to be forgiven from all of the sins He has done, either from the law of man or from the law of God that cannot be hidden. Nothing personal, but sins is a violation of the law and man must pay everything He has done.

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    also, i am part of God's creation so how can you say i'm a nuance to his creation? who made me like this? who placed me in this situation in life? diba si god din? so you see God is fully responsible for me and what i do. There is no moral excuse for blaming something that you are responsible for.
    You were created with logical understanding and basic common sense di ba? By God's law, if man violates His law then man must pay for it, and DEATH is required as a payment. Man is not illiterate when it comes to good and evil and whatever man does good or bad is subject to accountability even man's law requires the same. In the past, if you despise, ridicule, disobey, etc...the King or his authorities then surely you will die...how much more the one who created you who did not gave you the right to ridicule or disobey him?

    Basic life cycle lang yan from the beginning of time till now and you/rest only hope is, all of you came from Apes and evolution is true, otherwise, The Hebrew God will execute his judgment to all man with the same mentality like yours...not judging you but to let you know.

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    Buti na lang there is no such thing as god

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Kung saan saan ka na napasuot ng paliwanag na walang back up verse(s) to support your explanation. .
    Sa sagot mong iyan ay alam ko na na hindi mo nga alam ang mga pangako ng Panginoong Diyos sa kanyang mga anak sa Lumang Tipan.

    Binigyan na nga kita ng mga hint sa timeline ng biblya kung saan ginamit ng Panginoong Diyos ang mga salitang Husband, King, Messiah, at Shepherd. Tapos binigyan ka rin ni Aida nang few verses sa Old Testament na ginamit ng Panginoong Diyos, pero hindi mo pa rin nakuha.

    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Itinatanong mo sa akin kung bakit naging husband si Jesus at bakit niya sinabi yun, at sinagot ko na yan di ba? So agree ka ba sa sagot ko o hindi?
    Agree ako na marriage is how god save His people. He promised that in the Old Testament and that is how covenant works, kinship.

    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Balikan mo ang thread at may supporting verses at hindi kwentong kutsero yun.
    Sinagot mo nga pero hindi mo pa rin masabi sa akin kung ano ang ibig mong sabihin sa "spiritual analogy".
    Hindi kuwentong kutsero ang sinabi KUNG alam mo ang istorya sa divided kingdom, Davidic kingdom at exile. Binigyan na nga kita ng mga hints, pero hindi mo pa rin nakuha.



    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Iyung JESUS IS GOD mo eh konti na lang ang subscriber..if biblical knowledge is concern, pero dun sa sumusunod lang sa agos na Jesus is God (ahh basta) eh marami yan.
    Kayo lang nga mga JW ang hindi naniniwala na Diyos ang Panginoong Hesus kasi nga hindi ninyo alam ang istorya.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigot3AtBalbas View Post
    Buti na lang there is no such thing as god
    god garin mo mukha mo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyros View Post
    god garin mo mukha mo
    a-che-che!


  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Man are govern by the law of man with consequences if violated di ba? In the same manner God created a law to every man, the only difference is, The judgment for the violation of God's law is not quick and decisive believing man will repent, but it will come to an end once man breath his last, which is also the the end of his right to be forgiven from all of the sins He has done, either from the law of man or from the law of God that cannot be hidden. Nothing personal, but sins is a violation of the law and man must pay everything He has done.

    You were created with logical understanding and basic common sense di ba? By God's law, if man violates His law then man must pay for it, and DEATH is required as a payment. Man is not illiterate when it comes to good and evil and whatever man does good or bad is subject to accountability even man's law requires the same. In the past, if you despise, ridicule, disobey, etc...the King or his authorities then surely you will die...how much more the one who created you who did not gave you the right to ridicule or disobey him?
    how can you say we are governed by god when you cant even prove that your version of god is real! and there is nobody enforcing your religious rules on everybody else! sa imagination mo lang!

    and look at it this way, kung laws of man pa lang eh masunurin na ako. what more kung sigurado akong si God na mismo magpapalakad ng batas! DIBA????
    gets mo?

    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Common sense lang yan brad. It was transferred to Papers, why do we need the Stone? Ano ba yan?
    according to the stories the israelites carried around those stone tablets for decades, maybe even hundreds of years! it was very precious to the bible god. tapos bale wala lang pala sayo.

    you need that stone because it would have served as proof that those stories really happened! it would have been a very important archeological artifact. it is because of stone relics containing laws and hieroglyphics that modern man is able to understand ancient civlizations.

    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Kahit na anong palusot ang gawin mo eh the God of the Hebrews pa rin ang origin ng GOD that you acknowledges. Kaya nga lang eh binabago mo ang concepto base sa kapritso mo. In short gumawa ka ng sarili mong God from someone else God.
    you do have a little bit of point there. ganito yun eh, kaya naman ako nagpupumilit pa ring maniwala sa isang dios eh dahil pinanganak at pinalaki akong katoliko eh. i did not choose to be born that way. i did not to choose to have this overbearing pressure to believe in an all powerful santa in the sky. so what if i choose to imagine a different god? anung problema mo dun? thats none of your business!

    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    You decided to yourself and the society that taking a life of a living things is but normal if it is considered parasites or pest in the society. Parang criminal that is considered a parasite in the human society that needs to be eradicated..kaya we execute Criminals whom we consider a pest in the society di ba?
    tumalon ka sa conclusion, brad. kaya ko nasabing cruel is because of torturing people in hell forever. biru mo di lang makasama sa little INC club ninyo eh infinite torture na raw? thats just stupid and cruel bro. ikaw ba do you torture your own kids for disobeying you? NO. that makes you morally superior to the supposed god you are trying to believe in. we dont even torture animals!!!

    executing criminals is a much more mercy than torturing them for the rest of their lives! agree?

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    how can you say we are governed by god when you cant even prove that your version of god is real! and there is nobody enforcing your religious rules on everybody else! sa imagination mo lang!
    Nakakatuwa ka naman kausap. If my God which is the God of the Hebrew people is not real...why then you come aboard and believe in him also? And the only difference is, you created in your mind a God that is not what the Hebrew writings presented...and attack that God for not being real, but convinced yourself right at the same time that He is real after adapting the Hebrew God and modified it in a different version? Di mo ba maintindihan ang punto vista ko? DINADAYA MO ANG SARILI MO ang ibig kong sabihin.

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    and look at it this way, kung laws of man pa lang eh masunurin na ako. what more kung sigurado akong si God na mismo magpapalakad ng batas! DIBA????
    gets mo?
    Your words and action says something else about God...magulo ang version mo.

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    according to the stories the israelites carried around those stone tablets for decades, maybe even hundreds of years! it was very precious to the bible god. tapos bale wala lang pala sayo. you need that stone because it would have served as proof that those stories really happened! it would have been a very important archeological artifact. it is because of stone relics containing laws and hieroglyphics that modern man is able to understand ancient civlizations.
    Yes they carried that stones in their journey to Canaan for forty years upon departing Egypt, and was placed in the Temple at the time of Solomon...but history also foretold that Israel was conquered by their enemies in so many times and the temple items was destroyed and looted

    Now, It is no longer the stone that counts...it is what was written in the stone that became the book of Torah if you know what the continuation of the life of the Israelites from history to history.

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    you do have a little bit of point there. ganito yun eh, kaya naman ako nagpupumilit pa ring maniwala sa isang dios eh dahil pinanganak at pinalaki akong katoliko eh. i did not choose to be born that way. i did not to choose to have this overbearing pressure to believe in an all powerful santa in the sky. so what if i choose to imagine a different god? anung problema mo dun? thats none of your business!
    Ang sinasabi ko lang eh...either there's a real Hebrew God or NO God lang ang choice mo...you cannot swim into two waters. You cannot convince anyone that that God that was etched in your mind from childhood which is also the God of the Hebrew people will be on your side...mas kapani-paniwala ang Hebrew writings about their God and not what you adapted from them then modified in your mind then convinced yourself that is it the true God, eh di ba dinadaya mo ang sarili mo niyan. But it is not my business, I am simply setting the facts at baka sakaling maintindihan mo bago mo iwanan ang world of the living.

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    executing criminals is a much more mercy than torturing them for the rest of their lives! agree?
    Logically speaking, we execute criminals as the last resort. But most of the time they serve their time in hard labors and confinement for a long long time as a form of torture for the sins they have done.

    Now, I am not the law giver, me, but we are under the law. You can say what you want, you can cry and shout for foul all day long, but what can you do once you breath your last? Me magagawa ka pa ba kung forever kang parurusahan dahil sa nagawa mong kasalanan sa creator?

  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    tumalon ka sa conclusion, brad. kaya ko nasabing cruel is because of torturing people in hell forever. biru mo di lang makasama sa little INC club ninyo eh infinite torture na raw? thats just stupid and cruel bro. ikaw ba do you torture your own kids for disobeying you? NO. that makes you morally superior to the supposed god you are trying to believe in. we dont even torture animals!!!
    Set aside the INC and let's talk common sense and logical reasoning based on facts and history.

    Now, have you ever asked yourself if the God that you believe in has a LAW that you need to follow? And if ever violated or transgressed then there is a corresponding penalty? The Hebrew God made it clear and PROVED to all Israel and her descendants the consequences if His laws is violated...God said Israel will be scattered in slavery and be killed and no peace will come to them because of their unfaithfulness to him...and the curse did happen and experienced by the entire Nation of Israel, and peace is not near to them attested by written history...latest is the eradication of the Jews by Hitler and the Jews are the most hated people on earth for some reason. Bakit kaya if their God is not real (sabi mo)...coincidence lang kaya?

    Note: Now take it or leave it dahil sa ipinakikita ko lang sa yo ang facts about what the God of the Hebrew can do to anyone who violated a covenant with him. Ikalawa, ignorance of the law is no longer applicable for man not to be punished because of disobedience and evil deeds specially those who ridiculed the God of the Hebrew people which you people did from day to day basis.

    Kaya ang tanging pagasa nyo lang eh, THERE IS NO GOD AND YOU CAME FROM THE APES THROUGH STUPID EVOLUTION and once you breath your last then that's it...STALEMATE LANG TAYO...yan lang ang tanging pagasa mo...but if NOT, then you lose everything forever and ever. Now, Now can we stop the pending Judgment? MAYBE...If we can stop DEATH ITSELF which is happening with no bias to anyone as we speak!

  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Ang sinasabi ko lang eh...either there's a real Hebrew God or NO God lang ang choice mo...you cannot swim into two waters.
    and who are you to dictate what my choices are? sorry but there actually are many many choices.

    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Now, I am not the law giver, me, but we are under the law. You can say what you want, you can cry and shout for foul all day long, but what can you do once you breath your last? Me magagawa ka pa ba kung forever kang parurusahan dahil sa nagawa mong kasalanan sa creator?
    eh paano ba ako nagkasala sa creator? sige nga anung kasalanan ko sa kanya? SAGOT!

    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Logically speaking, we execute criminals as the last resort. But most of the time they serve their time in hard labors and confinement for a long long time as a form of torture for the sins they have done.
    confinement is not torture. prisoners are not physically harmed in any way. ikaw lang ang may ganyang opinion.

    in your beliefs hell is not just confinement. its also a place of torture.

    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Nakakatuwa ka naman kausap. If my God which is the God of the Hebrew people is not real...why then you come aboard and believe in him also? And the only difference is, you created in your mind a God that is not what the Hebrew writings presented...and attack that God for not being real, but convinced yourself right at the same time that He is real after adapting the Hebrew God and modified it in a different version? Di mo ba maintindihan ang punto vista ko? DINADAYA MO ANG SARILI MO ang ibig kong sabihin.

    Your words and action says something else about God...magulo ang version mo.
    ETEs, kayo ngang mga christians magkakaiba ng dios eh. for example catholics believe Jeeezes is God. Their god is a trinity. Sa inyo iba!


    Tapos ipagpipilitan mo pang magkapareho tayo ng dios!

    NO. I dont believe in your version of God. period.

    Now my point remains...if i can stay true to the laws of men, then i can do the same with the laws of God.

    I just honestly dont see God telling me what to do just yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Yes they carried that stones in their journey to Canaan for forty years upon departing Egypt, and was placed in the Temple at the time of Solomon...but history also foretold that Israel was conquered by their enemies in so many times and the temple items was destroyed and looted

    Now, It is no longer the stone that counts...it is what was written in the stone that became the book of Torah if you know what the continuation of the life of the Israelites from history to history.
    sino nagsabing the stone tablet no longer counts? opinion mo lang ba? sacred object tapos no longer counts. sabi nga sa stories ninyo magkamali ka lang ng hipo sa Ark eh dedbol ka na. kung totoo yun nobody could destroy it!

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    and who are you to dictate what my choices are? sorry but there actually are many many choices.
    Kaya nga magulo ang takbo ng utak mo brad...dahil walang direction kung saan ka tataya...sa God ba ng Hebrew people? Sa Evolution? Or sa theory na we simply just puff and vanishes? O baka mayroon ka pang ibang choices?

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    eh paano ba ako nagkasala sa creator? sige nga anung kasalanan ko sa kanya? SAGOT!
    Even if I post the biblical answer still you will not believe...kasi naka-program na ang utak mo na the Hebrew writings is not true...so what for? Kaya bagsak mo eh STALEMATE muli...sorry but that is a fact now.

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    confinement is not torture. prisoners are not physically harmed in any way. ikaw lang ang may ganyang opinion.
    Harming the body is not the only form of torture cause torture has many forms. Removing the freedom of anyone in this life is a form of torture in his mind. Problem, sickness, stress, anxiety, depression, cancers are all forms of torture in the body and minds.

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    in your beliefs hell is not just confinement. its also a place of torture.
    It is a place where fire and brimstone burns forever, and sinners will be placed there for eternity. Just keep convincing yourself that it is simply a myth and hope for the best that you will NOT be awaken after your death...cause if you do, then welcome to eternity that you wish you can turn the time backward and change everything.

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    ETEs, kayo ngang mga christians magkakaiba ng dios eh. for example catholics believe Jeeezes is God. Their god is a trinity. Sa inyo iba!
    Kaya ang tanong eh sino ba ang nadaya? Kami o sila (Catholics)? Ang Hebrew people ba eh Trinitarians? O Monotheistic, ONE GOD with one entity in it believer? Kaya dapat pagaralan yan base sa history kung bakit nagkaroon ng Trinity. Kapareho mo rin sila that adapted the Hebrew God then modified it to their liking...kaya naging Trinity. Ang sa yo naman eh, ibang version though pareho kayo ng sistemang ginamit...ganun lang kasimpleng intindihin yan.


    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    Tapos ipagpipilitan mo pang magkapareho tayo ng dios!

    NO. I dont believe in your version of God. period.
    Well, My version of my God is what the Hebrew people wrote and preaches which is the ORIGINAL VERSION....eh iyung sa inyo...saan nangaling ang version na yan? Di ba sa sarili nyong kaisipan? Eh di niloloko nyo ang sarili nyo nyan di ba?

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    Now my point remains...if i can stay true to the laws of men, then i can do the same with the laws of God.

    I just honestly dont see God telling me what to do just yet.
    But the truth remain the same..that is your own created law na gusto mong ipakain at tanggapin ng adapted and modified Hebrew God mo di ba? And who is the God who will tell you what to do if what you have is a modified God? Ganito lang yan eh..parang IDOL that you had created yourself and convinced yourself that He will talk to you and tell you what to do...any ba yan?


    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    sino nagsabing the stone tablet no longer counts? opinion mo lang ba? sacred object tapos no longer counts. sabi nga sa stories ninyo magkamali ka lang ng hipo sa Ark eh dedbol ka na. kung totoo yun nobody could destroy it!
    Brad common sense lang yan...stone still a stone, wood still a wood that don't last but deteriorate...but what counts is what was written in that stone kasi iyun ang law that needs to accomplish by those under the law (Hebrew people), and Moses transferred it to something else for future generation and became the Torah...eh bakit hahanapin mo pa iyung pinagsulatan ng law na wala na at walang nakakalam kung saan napunta? At kahit makita man yan eh HINDI KA PA RIN MANINIWALA...dahil sa sarado na ang isip mo brad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Kaya nga magulo ang takbo ng utak mo brad...dahil walang direction kung saan ka tataya...sa God ba ng Hebrew people? Sa Evolution? Or sa theory na we simply just puff and vanishes? O baka mayroon ka pang ibang choices?
    naguguluhan ka kisi masyadong makitid ang utak mo eh: you dont consider the fact na maraming klaseng "God" ang pinaniniwalaan nig ibat ibang relehiyon at ng ibat ibang tao.

    kayat huwag mo na lang problemahing paniwala ng ibang tao, OK?

    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Even if I post the biblical answer still you will not believe...kasi naka-program na ang utak mo na the Hebrew writings is not true...so what for? Kaya bagsak mo eh STALEMATE muli...sorry but that is a fact now.
    hebrew writings? naku naman eh para sa mga hudyo eh para sa kanila lang yun eh! saan sinabi sa hebrew writing na its for the whole world for all time?

    see diyan pa lang talo ka na!

    so ano may kasalanan ba ako sa creator o wala? sino nagsabing may kasalanan ako? ano ang kasalanan ko? SAGOT!


    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Harming the body is not the only form of torture cause torture has many forms. Removing the freedom of anyone in this life is a form of torture in his mind. Problem, sickness, stress, anxiety, depression, cancers are all forms of torture in the body and minds.
    plain incarceration is not torture. you can disagree but you will be alone in that opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    And who is the God who will tell you what to do if what you have is a modified God?
    napakasimple naman! eh di magpakita sya sakin at sabihin nya kung sino talaga sya at kung anung gusto nyang gawin ko! diba?

    sa bible stories nga ninyo ganun din mga heroes ninyo eh. di nila alam kung sino si god hanggang sa may nagpakilala sa kanila! like moses!

    so the point remains. I WILL LISTEN DIRECTLY TO GOD. not from you. not from a piece of paper.

    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Brad common sense lang yan...stone still a stone, wood still a wood that don't last but deteriorate...but what counts is what was written in that stone kasi iyun ang law that needs to accomplish by those under the law (Hebrew people), and Moses transferred it to something else for future generation and became the Torah...eh bakit hahanapin mo pa iyung pinagsulatan ng law na wala na at walang nakakalam kung saan napunta? At kahit makita man yan eh HINDI KA PA RIN MANINIWALA...dahil sa sarado na ang isip mo brad.
    so its not protected! sige patunayan mong 100% accurate ang copy na hawak mo!

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    naguguluhan ka kisi masyadong makitid ang utak mo eh: you dont consider the fact na maraming klaseng "God" ang pinaniniwalaan nig ibat ibang relehiyon at ng ibat ibang tao.

    kayat huwag mo na lang problemahing paniwala ng ibang tao, OK?
    Totoong maraming gods, by the millions yan, most specially the Hindus, about 333 millions ang God nila...eh alin sa kanila ang true God? Kung mayroon ka pang alam besides sa pinaniniwalaan mong modified Hebrew God?

    Can you not be more specific?

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    hebrew writings? naku naman eh para sa mga hudyo eh para sa kanila lang yun eh! saan sinabi sa hebrew writing na its for the whole world for all time?

    see diyan pa lang talo ka na!

    so ano may kasalanan ba ako sa creator o wala? sino nagsabing may kasalanan ako? ano ang kasalanan ko? SAGOT!
    Halatang di mo pa nabasa ng ang OT and NT. Ipinaliliwanag dun kung bakit tayo nagdurusa and what the cause of our sufferings and what violation have we done to be punished after we die.

    Anyways, hindi ka naman naniniwala sa kasulatan eh...so it is useless to present it to you and just stay in a STALEMATE MODE..and hope that everything will be okay once you die.

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    plain incarceration is not torture. you can disagree but you will be alone in that opinion.
    ▸ noun: the act of torturing someone
    ▸ noun: unbearable physical pain
    ▸ noun: intense feelings of suffering; acute mental or physical pain
    ▸ noun: extreme mental distress
    ▸ noun: the act of distorting something so it seems to mean something it was not intended to mean
    ▸ verb: subject to torture
    ▸ verb: torment emotionally or mentally


    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    napakasimple naman! eh di magpakita sya sakin at sabihin nya kung sino talaga sya at kung anung gusto nyang gawin ko! diba?

    so the point remains. I WILL LISTEN DIRECTLY TO GOD. not from you. not from a piece of paper.
    Maski magpakita sa yo ang God di ka rin maniniwala...sapagkat you programmed your mind to believe that THERE IS NO GOD except the modified one in your mind that you can adjust to your desire. Ganun lang kasimple yun.


    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    sa bible stories nga ninyo ganun din mga heroes ninyo eh. di nila alam kung sino si god hanggang sa may nagpakilala sa kanila! like moses!

    God of the Hebrews was introduced as invisible God, He can only be seen through HIS POWER his works that He created, the creation that NO ONE EVER CLAIM HE/SHE IS THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE except the God of the Hebrew people.

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    so its not protected! sige patunayan mong 100% accurate ang copy na hawak mo!
    Anong proof ang kailangan mo? The original stone? The original manuscript? etc? Which mean you are not using your common sense that what we have are copies and copies and copies from the original at anong ACCURACY ba ang hanap mo?

  15. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdinand View Post
    Rev1913, are you a member of INC?
    Hindi ako member ng anomang sekta. Ang pinanghahawakan ko, ay ang 1 JOhn 2:27..kung na kay Hesus ka, hindi ka na kailangang turuan ng sinomang tao, maging anghel man, kundi ng Banal na Espiritu. Ang Sekta ng Relihiyon sa aking karanasan ay magandang Negosyo, katuruan ng tao, Moral Lessons ang makakamit ng tao.

  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Rev1913 View Post
    Hindi ako member ng anomang sekta. Ang pinanghahawakan ko, ay ang 1 JOhn 2:27..kung na kay Hesus ka, hindi ka na kailangang turuan ng sinomang tao, maging anghel man, kundi ng Banal na Espiritu. Ang Sekta ng Relihiyon sa aking karanasan ay magandang Negosyo, katuruan ng tao, Moral Lessons ang makakamit ng tao.
    Alam mo ba na on Judgment day maraming tao na sangkaterbang religious works ang ginawa in the NAME OF JESUS pero di maliligtas?

    So ano ang chances mo na maligtas kung iyung may ginawa for their salvation did not make it? Di ba 0% to none ang chances mo?

    Matthew 7:22 When the Judgment Day comes, many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord! In your name we spoke God's message, by your name we drove out many demons and performed many miracles!'

    23 Then I will say to them, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you wicked people!'


    Take note: That is what will happen in the future a confirmation that those people who preach the gospel without the authority to do so, performs exorcism, miracles, healings and etc...WILL NEVER EVER BE SAVED!

  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Totoong maraming gods, by the millions yan, most specially the Hindus, about 333 millions ang God nila...eh alin sa kanila ang true God? Kung mayroon ka pang alam besides sa pinaniniwalaan mong modified Hebrew God?

    Can you not be more specific?
    just leave it at that. di tayo magkapareho ng dios.


    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Halatang di mo pa nabasa ng ang OT and NT.
    FYI the NT was never a Hebrew writing.

    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Anyways, hindi ka naman naniniwala sa kasulatan eh...so it is useless to present it to you and just stay in a STALEMATE MODE..and hope that everything will be okay once you die.
    ok so chismis lang pala talaga basehan mo.
    basta ako malinis ang conscience ko. wala akong kasalanan sa dios.
    there is just no way i can hurt god or make him upset.

    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    ▸ noun: intense feelings of suffering; acute mental or physical pain
    heto sagutin mo: sino mas cruel iyung mental suffering lang or iyung parehon mental at physical?

    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Maski magpakita sa yo ang God di ka rin maniniwala.
    akala mo lang yun. masyado ka namang judgemental pare ko.

    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Anong proof ang kailangan mo? The original stone? The original manuscript? etc? Which mean you are not using your common sense that what we have are copies and copies and copies from the original at anong ACCURACY ba ang hanap mo?
    aba kahit anong proof. sige bira!

  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    just leave it at that. di tayo magkapareho ng dios.
    Sana be more specific kung may iba kang concept sa sinasabi mong your "God" katulad ng pagtatanong mo sa aking God na patuloy kong ipinaliliwanag..which I expect you do the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    FYI the NT was never a Hebrew writing.
    NEVER? Really? Eh di ba Hebrew people ang mga Apostol?

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    ok so chismis lang pala talaga basehan mo.
    Nakakatuawa kang talaga pre. Iyung chismis na sinasabi mo ang nag-etched sa yong kaisipan na may God at yan ang idinedefensa mo brad.

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    basta ako malinis ang conscience ko. wala akong kasalanan sa dios.
    there is just no way i can hurt god or make him upset.
    Ha? Iyung God na sinasabi mo eh maraming batas na isinaad at condemned ka as far as the God of the Hebrew is concerned...kaya dapat magbago ka ng God, how about the hindu God? Yun walang sinasabi at tatanggapin nun maski ano pa man ang gawin mo ikalawa millions ang dami nun you can choose which one you want.

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    heto sagutin mo: sino mas cruel iyung mental suffering lang or iyung parehon mental at physical?
    They are both torture and both will give equal pain to anyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    akala mo lang yun. masyado ka namang judgemental pare ko.
    Totoo yun, hindi ka maniniwala kung magpakita siya sa yo. Subukan mong mag-post dito at sabihin mong kinausap ka ni Lord at tingnan natin kung ano ang reaction ng posters..lol!

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    aba kahit anong proof. sige bira!
    Be more specific, ayaw mo ng copies from the original, eh ano pa?

  19. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    They are both torture and both will give equal pain to anyone.
    1 vs 2 ay equal sayo? ETEs ha nang-aandromeda ka nanaman!

    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Totoo yun, hindi ka maniniwala kung magpakita siya sa yo. Subukan mong mag-post dito at sabihin mong kinausap ka ni Lord at tingnan natin kung ano ang reaction ng posters..lol!
    ETEs naman pagpapakita ang pinaguusapan natin dito hindi pagkukuwento!

    I think you are speaking for yourself...na masyadong sarado ang utak mo you dont consider the possbility na mali ka kayat kung ang tunay na dios ay iba sa paniniwala mo ay di ka maniniwala sa kanya miski magpakita sayo!

    sorry but not everyone is like you. ako bukas isip ko. i am always open to correction.


    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Be more specific, ayaw mo ng copies from the original, eh ano pa?
    ba malay ko sayo. wala ka na bang maisip na ibang paraan para patunayang 100% accurate a copies na hawak mo?

  20. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Alam mo ba na on Judgment day maraming tao na sangkaterbang religious works ang ginawa in the NAME OF JESUS pero di maliligtas?

    So ano ang chances mo na maligtas kung iyung may ginawa for their salvation did not make it? Di ba 0% to none ang chances mo?

    Matthew 7:22 When the Judgment Day comes, many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord! In your name we spoke God's message, by your name we drove out many demons and performed many miracles!'

    23 Then I will say to them, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you wicked people!'


    Take note: That is what will happen in the future a confirmation that those people who preach the gospel without the authority to do so, performs exorcism, miracles, healings and etc...WILL NEVER EVER BE SAVED!
    Naniniwala ka ba sa Talatang ito?

    1 Corintho 3:16 Hindi baga ninyo nalalaman na kayo'y templo ng Dios, at ang Espiritu ng Dios ay nananahan sa inyo?

    1 Corintho 6:19 O hindi baga ninyo nalalaman na ang inyong katawan ay templo ng Espiritu Santo na nasa inyo, na tinanggap ninyo sa Dios? at hindi kayo sa inyong sarili;


    Matatanggap mo ba ang talatang ito?

    1John{2:27} But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

    Heb 8:11 "And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest."

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