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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Anong walang nakakaalam kung sino ang nagsulat? Nasasa possession yan ng Church from the day it was written. Anyways, no harm no foul at okay lang kung wala kang tiwala, it is your life and it is your choice...just wait for the end of your life and hope for a stalemate for both of us.
    1. okay so nasan iyung originals? kung meron

    2. your INC church does not possess anything but the translation of a translation of a translation of a copy of a copy of a copy. LABO!

  2. #22
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    Wala naman original ang mga aklat ng biblia na ngayon di ba! Kung may kopya man, yan ay kopya ng kopya ng kopya. Lahat ng yan ay corrupted na...kaya kailangan na daw ang Sugo ni Lord para itama ulit, at mukhang successful naman ang mission!

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    1. okay so nasan iyung originals? kung meron
    Kahit konting common sense lang eh pupuede na just to figure out that it will not survive as to date di ba?

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    2. your INC church does not possess anything but the translation of a translation of a translation of a copy of a copy of a copy. LABO!
    So? What's wrong if it was from copies to copies and translations to translations? Does it change the fact that it came from the original?

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Kahit konting common sense lang eh pupuede na just to figure out that it will not survive as to date di ba?



    So? What's wrong if it was from copies to copies and translations to translations? Does it change the fact that it came from the original?
    1. Copies are subject to errors, errors in copying and errors in translation. Not to mention the personal biases of the people who did the copying. This errors get magnified as they go through more copying. And there are no copies of the "original" to verify the authenticity and accuracy of your copy. Parang chismis, habang dumadami ng dinadaanang tenga lumalala.

    2. The gospels were written decades after Jesus's supposed death. That's an accurate start for something that'll copied for generations. /sarcasm

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    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    So? What's wrong if it was from copies to copies and translations to translations? Does it change the fact that it came from the original?
    If you are copying a copy it is a FACT that you are copying a "copy" not an "original". What is fact is that there is no such thing as "perfect copy". Assuming a perfect copy exist today, there is no way you can prove it is for the reason that the original no longer to be found for comparison.

    It is very easy to differentiate between copies. But if you insist that your copy was copied from the original...make a wish that someone will take you seriously.

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    @krams na-ban ka pala, ok lang iyon puwede ka pa din naman mag post sa bago mong handle.

    Can you further elaborate ETEs response about "spiritual analogy"? Where did ETEs get this idea and what is this analogy?

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  10. #27
    Oo, nakasulat talaga na King, Shepherd at Husband si Panginoong Jesus ng kanyang Iglesia, pero hindi ka ba nagtataka kung paano niya nakuha ang mga ideas na iyan? Kung bakit niya ginamit ang mga ideas na iyan sa kanya? What are the underlying reasons for using them?

    Are you guys familiar with the narratives of the Bible? Kasi marami akong mga nakakausap na panay ang sabi na nabasa na nila ang bible from end to end and yet can not tell me the narratives of the bible, on how the salvation history of God's people is narrated.

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    kung bkit husband? inasawa nya kasi si mary magdalene........

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  13. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    So? What's wrong if it was from copies to copies and translations to translations? Does it change the fact that it came from the original?
    alam mo without an original, how do you even know there was one!!! according to scholars some of the books in the bible eh tagpi-tagping stories lang! that means NO ORIGINAL. like the book of genesis - minimum of 3 different authories due to differing writing styles! and those gospels- you dont really know who wrote them! the names mathew, mark, luke & john are just products of traditions! hula hula lang ng catholic church fathers!


    sorry the true god would understand why i cannot honestly trust the bible.

    so if god wants me to change my life, i want to hear it from Him NOT FROM YOU.

  14. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdinand View Post
    Oo, nakasulat talaga na King, Shepherd at Husband si Panginoong Jesus ng kanyang Iglesia, pero hindi ka ba nagtataka kung paano niya nakuha ang mga ideas na iyan? Kung bakit niya ginamit ang mga ideas na iyan sa kanya? What are the underlying reasons for using them?

    Are you guys familiar with the narratives of the Bible? Kasi marami akong mga nakakausap na panay ang sabi na nabasa na nila ang bible from end to end and yet can not tell me the narratives of the bible, on how the salvation history of God's people is narrated.
    Gagawin ko na lang buod kaibigan. SA mga naniniwala sa Bible at sa Diyos. Nagsimula ang lahat sa hardin ng Eden, Sa Hardin ay may 3 uri ng puno, ang una ay punong maganda sa paningin at masarap kainin. Ang ikalawang puno ay ang Puno ng Buhay..at ang Ikatlo ay puno na ipinagbawal ng Diyos kay Adan at Eva na huwag kakainin ang bunga ng puno na nagbibigay ng kaalaman sa tama at mali. Makakain nila ang lahat ng bunga ng punong nasa Paraiso huwag lamang ang punong nasa gitna ng Paraiso. Pag kanilang kinain sila ay mamamatay. Tunay nga dahil sa panunukso ni SAtanas kinain ni Eva ang bunga. Dahil sa sinabi ng Ahas kay Eva, tunay na pag kinain mo ang bunga ay hindi ka mamamatay bagkus ikaw ay matutulad sa Diyos. At pinakain ni Eva si Adan ng nasabing bunga.

    Nang dumating ang Diyos, sila ay nagtago dahil nagkaroon sila ng hiya sapagkat napag-alaman nila na sila ay hubad. Sila ay nagtabing ng dahon, dahil sa kahihiyan.

    Dito na nagsimula ang kasalanan ng Tao, pinalayas sila sa Paraiso. Paiksiin natin. GAyon na lamang ang pag-ibig ng Diyos at binigyan ang tao ng pagkakataong makalapit muli sa Diyos sa pamamagitan ng pag-aalay ng mga bagong ani, hayop, dugo ng hayop at iba pa, bilang tanda ng kanilang pagsisis, subalit hindi ito naging sapat upang ang tao ay maging matuwid sa harapan ng Diyos..pagkatapos maghain, sila ay muling babalik sa kasalanan.

    Dahil sa pag-ibig ng Diyos, may isang Abraham na matuwid sa mata ng Diyos at tinawag na kaibigan ng Diyos. Sa kanya ang Diyos ay gumawa ng Tipan (Testamento) na bagamat baog ang kanyang asawang si Sarai, lahat ng kanyang binhi ay mamanahin ang Diyos. Ayon sa batas ng paggawa ng Testamento, Magkakabisa lamang ito, Once na mamatay ang gumawa nito..Paano mamamatay ang Diyos na Espiritu..Dito nagkatawang tao ang Diyos. At inihandog ang kanyang dugo at buhay sa Krus bilang hain sa ikapagpapatawad ng kasalanan ng tao. Kaya sa ibabaw ng Krus, sinabi ni Hesus. Consumatum Est, Naganap na.

    buod lamang ito at may mas malalim pang mensahe ang mga bunga ng puno..to be continued....

  15. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by wimpy_kid View Post
    1. Copies are subject to errors, errors in copying and errors in translation. Not to mention the personal biases of the people who did the copying. This errors get magnified as they go through more copying. And there are no copies of the "original" to verify the authenticity and accuracy of your copy. Parang chismis, habang dumadami ng dinadaanang tenga lumalala.

    2. The gospels were written decades after Jesus's supposed death. That's an accurate start for something that'll copied for generations. /sarcasm
    Errors are but normal if the copiers has no concern on what they are copying.

    Israel and Jewish Escribes, which was the first members of the Church has a rigid method on how to copy from the original. They have a high regards to the Holy Scriptures. Hindi yan bata isinasalin ng iisang tao lang. If you know the term "septuagint" and how it came about, then you will know the rigidness of copying the holy text. Now just in case there was a minor error, since they are still human, then the book itself will correct it...HOW? The error (if there is) will contradict the rest of the text and will not harmonize the entire writings.

  16. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    alam mo without an original, how do you even know there was one!!! according to scholars some of the books in the bible eh tagpi-tagping stories lang! that means NO ORIGINAL. like the book of genesis - minimum of 3 different authories due to differing writing styles! and those gospels- you dont really know who wrote them! the names mathew, mark, luke & john are just products of traditions! hula hula lang ng catholic church fathers!


    sorry the true god would understand why i cannot honestly trust the bible.

    so if god wants me to change my life, i want to hear it from Him NOT FROM YOU.
    Your ignorance on how the bible, most notably the Old Testaments came to be is so obvious. The OT is no longer in the picture since the day it was translated in Alexandria, Egypt, (BC) and the translation was known as the SEPTUAGINT from Hebrews to Greek. There is no such things as tagpi-tagpi in Hebrews writings and keeping records of their faith and belief in the ONE GOD since the time of Abraham. Parang heirloom yan that passed from generation to generation with rigid care of transfers.

    But you as a person who has one life which by the way will end very soon has no part in it, alam mo kung bakit? Kasi wala kang pag-asa and by law even in human law, every crime that you committed big or small has a payment. You may escape the law of man...but how can you escape the law of the one who created you? Ohh you and the others do not believe in it, hehe...take your chances, just believe that you will simply die and that's it, the end, and no such things as GOD, or judgment day... but if there is, then YOU WILL BE TOASTED FOREVER, and what have you gained in this life? Fool yourself? What a hopeless and useless stand in life...STALEMATE lang ang habol, soli puhunan

    In fairness: If human do not die, then probably THERE IS NO GOD, and stalemate is no longer in the picture.

  17. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Pyros View Post
    If you are copying a copy it is a FACT that you are copying a "copy" not an "original". What is fact is that there is no such thing as "perfect copy". Assuming a perfect copy exist today, there is no way you can prove it is for the reason that the original no longer to be found for comparison.

    It is very easy to differentiate between copies. But if you insist that your copy was copied from the original...make a wish that someone will take you seriously.
    Again so what's wrong with the copies from copies? Common sense states that the term copy, and copies means it came from "original" or else where was the copies originate? Every books in the bible was backed by HISTORICAL EVIDENCE to make it legit!

    Those who will not take it seriously are those people who are like APES who has no idea on how they became apes...yan ang malaking kahangalan di ba?

    But the learned believes and take it seriously!

  18. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Your ignorance on how the bible, most notably the Old Testaments came to be is so obvious.
    example lang iyung OT.

    eh paano iyung NT? sino ba talaga nagsulat ng mga gospels? patunayan mo!

    how can you believe in something na di mo talaga alam kung saan nanggaling! paano ka man lang makaka-stalemate nyan!

  19. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdinand View Post
    Oo, nakasulat talaga na King, Shepherd at Husband si Panginoong Jesus ng kanyang Iglesia, pero hindi ka ba nagtataka kung paano niya nakuha ang mga ideas na iyan? Kung bakit niya ginamit ang mga ideas na iyan sa kanya? What are the underlying reasons for using them?

    Are you guys familiar with the narratives of the Bible? Kasi marami akong mga nakakausap na panay ang sabi na nabasa na nila ang bible from end to end and yet can not tell me the narratives of the bible, on how the salvation history of God's people is narrated.
    Please analyze my response in #15, sinagot ko na yan in details and the reason why Jesus used those analogy.

    Uulitin kong muli. Ang bottomline of Jesus analogy was simple, YOU AND THE REST HAS NO CHANCE FOR SALVATION, kung alam mo ang law regarding SIN and Jesus simply cleared it up using the analogy that JESUS IS THE HUSBAND OF THE CHURCH and BOTH ARE ONE FLESH IN THE SIGHT OF GOD, meaning: the bride (members of the Church) is no longer be held liable for their sins which the husband paid by shedding his blood on the cross.

    Eto ang ibig sabihin ni Apostol Pablo sa sulat niya sa Efeso...

    Ephesians 5:31 As the scripture says, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and unite with his wife, and the two will become one." 32 There is a deep secret truth revealed in this scripture, which I understand as applying to Christ and the church. 33 But it also applies to you: every husband must love his wife as himself, and every wife must respect her husband.

    Kung hindi mo maintindihan eh wala na akong magagawa, pero ang bottomline niyan eh, WALANG PAGASANG MALIGTAS ANG TAO UNLESS MAKASAMA KAYO sa terminung ..."...and the two will become one."


    "...and the two will become one." 32 There is a deep secret truth revealed in this scripture, which I understand as applying to Christ and the church."

    Now, yan DEEP SECRET TRUTH na binabangit diyan ang hindi nyo alam and it might not be revealed to you and the rest...and worst of all, your last days on earth will come in a surprise and afterwards, pay all the sins that you have done!

    HOPELESS ANG SITUATION NG MANKIND BECAUSE OF SIN and STUPIDITY!

  20. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    example lang iyung OT.

    eh paano iyung NT? sino ba talaga nagsulat ng mga gospels? patunayan mo!

    how can you believe in something na di mo talaga alam kung saan nanggaling! paano ka man lang makaka-stalemate nyan!
    Hindi na pinagtatalunan kung sino ang sumulat though it was stated. Go beyond it and used common sense, by asking...papaanong nakarating sa atin ang history ng Israel and the Jews salvation...dahil sa pineke ng Pagan Greeks and Roman Gentiles ang NT? lol!

    History ang kailangang pagaralan nyo.

    Tingnan natin kung may magagawa ang apes mentality ng evolution sa simple logic of life that after death, it is simply a STALEMATE...a mentality that animal understand, a living creature that does not know that they will die or what will happen afterwards, kaya sa kanila applicable ang terminung STALEMATE di ba? Or maybe to the rest also which is predominant?

  21. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by ETEs View Post
    Hindi na pinagtatalunan kung sino ang sumulat though it was stated.
    oo di na nga pagtatalunan yun kasi wala nang magawa dun eh. no way to know kung sino talaga nagsulat kayat either na magtiwala ka na lang sa catoliko or reject the bible.

    as for me, i simply cant trust any catholic traditions. the true God out there would understand.

    my approach to "stale-mate" is to persist in being a good person

  22. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by billy08 View Post
    kung bkit husband? inasawa nya kasi si mary magdalene........
    May mga bagay na napapatawad...mayroon ding WALANG KAPATAWARAN...you may not believe it, pero ang taong matalino eh sigurista, hindi basta nagsasalita yan ng walang sense assuming on something is not real and nothing will happen. Pero yung fools, walang preno ang bibig nyan and not knowing the consequences of their deeds.

    Tandaan mo, you have only one life like me, ang mabigat eh, baka di kunin yan ng maaga but make you suffer including your households until you and your loved ones perished in the face of the earth then account everything that you said and done as the final payment of your crime.

    Again, you may not believe it, but common sense states...every sin must be paid based on human law...no bias whatsoever and that is the only law of man that you can see, a law that obviously originated from someone else who is above that law that you cannot see.

    It is better to be quite and wise and seek for understanding, instead of being a fool and hurt himself and drag everyone in doing. Just a friendly advise

  23. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    oo di na nga pagtatalunan yun kasi wala nang magawa dun eh. no way to know kung sino talaga nagsulat kayat either na magtiwala ka na lang sa catoliko or reject the bible.
    Parang ganito lang yan mentality mo. No history is true kasi di mo alam kung sino ang nagsulat nun.

    Hindi mo kasi nakikita ang big pictures and you want to cater what is in your head and not reality based on history in regards of the NT books.

    Eto ang sa aking diyan. I believe in the ALMIGHTY. For one, due to the vast unconquerable Universe that no man can explain how did it came about. But man with an apes mentality assumed and speculates with no common sense in sight.

    If the Universe was created by a gigantic force and make it in harmony by the Almighty, then, can He not make his creation to write His words and translated it? The obvious that cannot be denied.

    My advise to you, THINK BIG and do not put your mind in a small box.

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    as for me, i simply cant trust any catholic traditions. the true God out there would understand.
    Is that God (that is out there) the creator of the Universe? Please answer me...tnks!

    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    my approach to "stale-mate" is to persist in being a good person
    What does being a "good person" can do to you? Does it change your destiny or perhaps eliminate the schedule of your departure from this world which is NEAR? Again and again, being a good person will not erase the crime (sins) that you have committed, and by human law...it must be paid no matter what and that is THE LAW...so how can you escape the producer of the law and the one who is above the law?

    Again, your stalemate mentality will do you no good, walang pagasa yan maging sa buhay na ito na full of sufferings. Nagsuffer ka na sa earth then you will pay the rest of your crime after...unless THERE IS NO GOD which the brainless REAL apes assumes and hope for the stalemate!

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