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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaroncm View Post
    FYI. ang MWSS hindi humihingi ng pera sa DBM yan. kaya hindi dian napupunta ang taxes natin. tsk!

    income generating sila.
    Kung tama yang sinasabi mo ano ngayon ang pinagpuputok ng butsi ng iba dito?

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Jameaux View Post
    Kung tama yang sinasabi mo ano ngayon ang pinagpuputok ng butsi ng iba dito?
    na uto na naman sila ng yellow media.

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    ^Ang source ba naman eh Rappler

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    Even if earning companies sila, it still doesnt make sense to give them huge salaries lalo na't (1) may mga government subsidies ang mga GOCCs (2) the GOCCs serve the general population, most of which are poor. Para silang mga lechon sa gitna ng nagugutom na sambayanan. I would assume may autonomy ang mga GOCCs, that's why nagawa nilang magkaroon ng sariling salary scheme.

    Kung gayon, panahon nang maregulate ang ang kagahamanan ng mga GOCCs.

    GOCCs share of the national budget has always hovered around 30-40%. In 2010, it was 40%. Even if majority of that percentage came from their incomes, it still doesnt make sense. We are a poor country to begin with. Kahit na nga wag na tayong tumingin sa buong bansa, kahit pagtabihin na lang PAG-ASA at MWSS. Overall, tight ang national budget at maraming mga social services ang hindi pa rin sapat ang alokasyon.

    With all due respect aaroncm and your (what appears to be defensive) stance, what you subscribe to is an old philosophy and in light of Pinoy's "daang matuwid", they all have to be looked into again and revised.

    Panahon na para irebisa ang batas patungkol sa mga GOCC.

  5. #65
    Merong talagang leeway pag GOCC kasi income generating sila.

    And the juiciest position of them all: The PAGCOR chairmanship. Lintik natin tirahin si Genuino nun pero si Naguit exempted ata.

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by jielun View Post
    Even if earning companies sila, it still doesnt make sense to give them huge salaries lalo na't (1) may mga government subsidies ang mga GOCCs (2) the GOCCs serve the general population, most of which are poor. Para silang mga lechon sa gitna ng nagugutom na sambayanan. I would assume may autonomy ang mga GOCCs, that's why nagawa nilang magkaroon ng sariling salary scheme.

    Kung gayon, panahon nang maregulate ang ang kagahamanan ng mga GOCCs.

    GOCCs share of the national budget has always hovered around 30-40%. In 2010, it was 40%. Even if majority of that percentage came from their incomes, it still doesnt make sense. We are a poor country to begin with. Kahit na nga wag na tayong tumingin sa buong bansa, kahit pagtabihin na lang PAG-ASA at MWSS. Overall, tight ang national budget at maraming mga social services ang hindi pa rin sapat ang alokasyon.

    With all due respect aaroncm and your (what appears to be defensive) stance, what you subscribe to is an old philosophy and in light of Pinoy's "daang matuwid", they all have to be looked into again and revised.

    Panahon na para irebisa ang batas patungkol sa mga GOCC.



    meron na brad! GOCC law of 2011. author is Sen Drilon.


    kaya lang huwag tayong mag re reklamo kung panget ang performance ng isang GOCC or bugok ang mga tao sa PAGASA ha. kung pumipila kayo ng mahaba sa DFA, NBI or SSS dahil yung mga frontliner nila walang paki-alam sa mga naka pila.

    kasi pag mababa ang sueldo sa mga GOCC or Govt Agency. asahan natin na lahat ng mga magagaling sa industry eh nasa private sector na. kasi mas maganda ang sueldo sa salary.

    kung malupit kang banker tapos may offer ka sa BSP. pero kailangan mababa lang sueldo mo kasi magagalit ang mga tax payer sayo tapos kailangan mo pang mag declare ng SALN dahil magiging civil servant ka na. tingin mo ba worth it na umalis ka ng Private sector para lang lumipat sa Govt? it's not worth it.

  7. #67
    I will check that GOCC law of 2011.

    You have a point. But we still need to draw the line between greed and a competitive salary. When GOCC execs meet twice a day to get double their per deim, that's greed. We need not concede to the notion that a government employee becomes efficient only if he receives 2x or 3x the salary of his peers from other government agency, as if GOCCs are a model of efficiency (look at the lines of people asking for medical help in PAGCOR).

    I just checked the MWSS website to look for job openings


    Kaso

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by jielun View Post
    I will check that GOCC law of 2011.

    You have a point. But we still need to draw the line between greed and a competitive salary. When GOCC execs meet twice a day to get double their per deim, that's greed. We need not concede to the notion that a government employee becomes efficient only if he receives 2x or 3x the salary of his peers from other government agency, as if GOCCs are a model of efficiency (look at the lines of people asking for medical help in PAGCOR).

    I just checked the MWSS website to look for job openings


    Kaso
    http://mwss.gov.ph/images/under_construction_r2_c4.gif
    for me dapat higher ng kunti sa industry standard, yun ang the best way para ma attract natin ang mga magagaling sa industry para lumipat sa government service.

    pag dating sa issue ng mga Board of Trustees, medyo masalimuot ito. kasi usually ang mga na aapoint na board members are political accommodations usually from the executive department. kamag aanak ni ES, kaibigan ni Presidente, bata ni Secretary. kaya halos laging self-serving ang mga board decisions na ginagawa nito.

    hindi lang si Noynoy or Gloria ang guilty sa ganitong practice. lahat ng Presidente ginawang milking cow ang mga GOCCs and GFI.

    try to check lahat ng board of trustees sa mga GOCCs lahat halos yan walang alam sa trabahong pinasok nila. malakas lang kay ganito kaya na appoint yan.

  9. #69
    dapat ang mga bantayan talaga natin maigi is yung mga staff ng mga congressmen, senators and mga local officials. kasi nandun lahat ng ghost employees at mga 15-30 employees. tapos galing talaga sa tax payers ang pinapasueldo sa mga yan.

  10. #70
    As to employees whose expertise are vital to the operation of GOCCs, making their salary comparable with the private sector (or slightly higher, but not too much) sounds reasonable.

    Ito pala yung provision:
    (a) All GOCC personnel shall be paid just and equitable wages in accordance with the principle of equal pay for work of equal value. Differences in pay shall be based on verifiable Compensation and Position Classification factors in due regard to the financial capability of the GOCC;

    (b) Basic compensation for all personnel in the GOCC shall generally be comparable with those in the private sector doing comparable work, and must be in accordance with prevailing laws on minimum wages. The total compensation provided for GOCC personnel shall be maintained at a reasonable level with due regard to the provisions of existing compensation and position classification laws including Joint Resolution No.4, Series of 2009, and the GOCCs operating budget; and

    (c) A review of the GOCC compensation rates, taking into account the performance of the GOCC, its overall contribution to the national economy and the possible erosion in purchasing power due to inflation and other factors, shall be conducted periodically.


    But I wonder if the GOCC law has provisions on preventing the abuse of execs. Or shall we just wait for the next public scandal to erupt. Wag naman sana.

  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by aaroncm View Post
    dapat ang mga bantayan talaga natin maigi is yung mga staff ng mga congressmen, senators and mga local officials. kasi nandun lahat ng ghost employees at mga 15-30 employees. tapos galing talaga sa tax payers ang pinapasueldo sa mga yan.
    GOCCs and this too. Andaming dapat bantayan. I hope Noynoy isn't concentrating his efforts on political enemies. Many of our institutions are weak. Andaming practices na hindi napapansin.

    Kaya dapat talaga ipasa na ang FOI bill.

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by jielun View Post
    As to employees whose expertise are vital to the operation of GOCCs, making their salary comparable with the private sector (or slightly higher, but not too much) sounds reasonable.

    Ito pala yung provision:
    (a) All GOCC personnel shall be paid just and equitable wages in accordance with the principle of equal pay for work of equal value. Differences in pay shall be based on verifiable Compensation and Position Classification factors in due regard to the financial capability of the GOCC;

    (b) Basic compensation for all personnel in the GOCC shall generally be comparable with those in the private sector doing comparable work, and must be in accordance with prevailing laws on minimum wages. The total compensation provided for GOCC personnel shall be maintained at a reasonable level with due regard to the provisions of existing compensation and position classification laws including Joint Resolution No.4, Series of 2009, and the GOCCs operating budget; and

    (c) A review of the GOCC compensation rates, taking into account the performance of the GOCC, its overall contribution to the national economy and the possible erosion in purchasing power due to inflation and other factors, shall be conducted periodically.


    But I wonder if the GOCC law has provisions on preventing the abuse of execs. Or shall we just wait for the next public scandal to erupt. Wag naman sana.
    this is the same issue of Cong Lagman. may pending constitutionality issue case pending before the supreme court about this GOCC law.

    the problem is that medyo focus ang GOCC sa mga employees and executives lang. pero yung sa mga board of trustees walang specific provision. mas abusado ang board kesa sa employees. yun lang

  13. #73
    BOT, or whoever is behind all the greed.

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