Industrialized nations should rehabilitate the Philippines

[4Wheeler]

Typical pinoy attitude. It's everyone's fault but their own. The typical squatter mentality "paano na kami mga mahihirap?" sense of entitlement.

Philippines aren't the only nation in this region dealing with monsoon/flood/storm. Japan, Taiwan, S. Korea, and China have them too.

The best solution is to start digging for an underground storm sewer system like Japan did. It's an investment that will benefit every future filipinos. Dig as deep as possible and when there's still flood, dig some more.

[nikkilove]

and why would the first world countries, help us, knowing that many pinoys are hard headed, batugan, walang disiplina, and mahirap umintindi.

we make a mess of ourselves and then we expect other countries to vouch for us.

magaanak ng walo, na alam naman di kayang buhayin, at tapos aasa sa iba.

ayaw ng mga kano sa ganyan. ang gusto nilang tulungan, yung mga marunong bumangon sa sariling paa, at nagsusumikap at nagsasakripisyo, pero kelangan lang ng konting boost para makaahon.

and the way we think and act, na mga ang yabang na di masabihan, they won't even bother at all.

[darmonx]

lets say i'm an industrialized nation and my number one priority is to take care of my own people and you want me to help your country dahil kami may kasalanan ng kahirapan at mga kalamidad niyo?

do you know how you sound like?

in fairness... kahanga hanga ang paniniwala mo na may kaso ka.

[razzer_rising]

umm....

IMHO climate change is a myth

the world already went from tropical (dinosaur age) to ice age and back to tropical again

and it's been established that the axis of earth has turned many times. who knows, a decade or two from now, hindi na equator ang location ng pinas.

as for a class act against industrialized nations?

um...

oh this is a joke thread right?

Medyo agree ako sa yo. And besides Man Made events are actually natural.

I think the problem here is humans are now 6-7 Billion. A catastrophe like a typhoon or deluge will likely affect a huge number of people given the total population of humans. It is natural for catastrophe to happen and unfortunately killing people in the process.

For me what we can do is to decentralize. Masyado kasi mataas ang population density sa one area.

[ftwcp955]

Global warming? for TS it is caused by humans and to some hindi, Wala namang mali sa inyo e, parepareho kayong may datas na pwedeng panghawakan from those people whos making thier lives sa datas na kanilang ginagawa to serve ang kanikanilang interes. But one thing for sure Di magandang earth's tenants ang mga tao.
Now industrialization ba kamo TS at iaasa mo sa gobyerno?
Palagay no gobyerno ang dahilan kung bakit naging industrialisado ang mga developed na bansa, O ang mga taong bumuo ng Sony, BMW, Ford, Toyota, Ferrari etch? Meron bang pinoy na tulad ng mga taong bumuo ng mga kumpanyang nabanggit? Nah, that is why pinoy is pak ap now and will stay as it is forevere, lagi na lang gobyerno ang may kasalanan, ang dapat gumawa ng lahat. Lagi na lang away-away dahil lang sa mga parasites na pulitiko. They are all the same wherever you go. Ang mamayan ang tunay na pag-asa. Ikaw TS, pwede mo ng simulan ang industrialisasyon pati na ang matatalino at mga feeling ekonomista dito sa pex.

[Juan Plus One]

President Aquino should urge industrialized nations to fund the rehabilitation of our country due to the catastrophic rainfall that destroys lives and many properties. He should do so by saying that we are not the culprit behind climate change. As a matter of fact, the Philippines does not even contribute a half percent of greenhouse emissions.

The irony of climate change is that poor nations who are not emitting even an iota of these greenhouse substances ends up as the target of rage by Mother Nature
whereas rich nations are still wrangling over emission quotas and the size of their carbon footprints. While they’re debating stats and responsibilities, poor nations like our country have to live with the consequences of their greed.

To sum it up, we are climate change victims. As victims, we have all the right to ask for compensation from the perpetrators of climate change. According to a top-calibre lawyer Atty. Rita Jimeno, this is in-line with two articles derived from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Article 3: “Every one has the right to life, liberty and security of person.”
If we, as members of the family of nations, are guaranteed the right to life and security of person, it follows that when we are deprived of life and property because of catastrophic storms brought by climate change, the makers of climate change must be made accountable.

Article 22: “Every one, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international cooperation and in accordance with the organization of each state, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.”
The Philippines already lost hundreds of lives and billions worth of properties; its people suffered untold injuries and loss of livelihood, with the onslaught of this catastropic storm. The world’s industrialized nations which principally caused climate change must help restore us back to our dignity.

Class suit?

Are you fvcking kidding me?

Climate change my a$$!

The problem here Kiki are:

Irresponsible citizens
Antiquated infrastructures
Useless, incompetent and corrupt government.

You are a victim of your own...stupidity.

Having Noynoy as your president is worse than having a typhoon, fire, earthquake, flood, volcanic eruption, etc.

[Kikiyo_Mori]

Even GMA argued for this way back the scourge of Qndoy and Pepeng.

Arroyo eyes int’l aid for climate change effects
Michelle Remo
Philippine Daily Inquirer

October 14, 2009

MANILA, Philippines—President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo said the Philippines, as a victim of climate change, would press for additional aid from multilateral lenders and other foreign institutions run mostly by rich countries so it could rebuild from the damage caused by storm "Ondoy" (international codename: Ketsana) and typhoon "Pepeng" (Parma).

In a speech during the Philippine Economic Briefing held on Wednesday, Arroyo said the country has been suffering from the effects of climate change, which it did not cause, and should therefore be compensated and helped.

"The Philippines is not a culprit to climate change. We are victims, and victims should be compensated and not penalized by high interest rates [on loans]," President Arroyo said in her speech.

The government would focus on soliciting grants rather than loans from international bodies, Arroyo stressed.

Climate change, which explains abnormal weather conditions such as heavy rains and rising temperature, is blamed on the ever rising greenhouse emissions. Environment experts said industrialized nations, led by the United States, contribute the bulk of the harmful gases that cause climate change.

The Philippines has not been a major contributor to climate change, experts said, as the country only accounted for 0.27 percent of total greenhouse emissions of the world.

Nonetheless, the Philippines is named one of the countries most prone to calamities caused by climate change because of its geographic location.

President Arroyo said she tasked Finance Secretary Margarito Teves to organize a pledging session, where foreign organizations would be invited to commit various forms of assistance to aid in the rehabilitation and recovery efforts.

She said the National Development Co. could sell "reconstruction" bonds, proceeds of which would be used to also fund rehabilitation and reconstruction activities. If ever bonds were sold for the purpose, a government-owned entity would do the bond float and not the national government, the President said.

President Arroyo explained that she did not want the national government's debt-to-GDP [gross domestic product] ratio to worsen just because of the need to raise funds to help the country recover from Ondoy and Pepeng.

"We [national government] want to reduce the debt-to-GDP ratio so that we can stop wasting resources for debt servicing, and so we can spend more on human capital," the President said.

The Philippine national government's debt-to-GDP ratio, the proportion of the debts to the country's economic output, currently stands at 56 percent. The ratio is a closely watched economic indicator, which foreign investors, creditors and credit-rating firms consider in assessing a country's credit-worthiness.

While allowing the NDC to sell bonds has been an option to raise funds, the President said, it would only be second to seeking grants as the top choice.

"We prefer grants," Arroyo said.

The devastation by Ondoy and Pepeng came amid the government's efforts to accelerate the economy amid the downturn caused by global economic turmoil.

The Department of Finance earlier said the national government was allowing its budget deficit to balloon to P250 billion in 2009, given the need to pump-prime the economy. However, observers said the deficit ceiling would likely be breached because of the need to spend on rehabilitation and reconstruction efforts.

Estimates said damage to crops caused by the two calamities reached at least P6 billion. The amount of damage would be much higher if damage to non-agricultural properties were included, economists said.

Ondoy ravaged Metro Manila and nearby provinces, leaving nearly 300 people dead due to flash floods. Pepeng devastated the country's northern provinces, leaving hundreds dead in landslides.

Finance Secretary Margarito Teves admitted that the deficit ceiling could be exceeded, noting that the budget gap could reach as high as P300 billion this year. The deficit was only at P68.1 billion last year.

However, the finance department said the government would go back to its deficit-reduction mode next year. It aims to limit the deficit to P233 billion by 2010.

I am not a GMA fan but I agreed with what she said here.

[Kray0n]

about climate change, find out what the consensus among scientists are. I certainly do not care about the opinions of non-experts. after people have googled what the informed consensus is, get back here.

nevertheless, that is no reason for this ridiculous thread to exist. infrastructure is certainly a bigger failure here.

[vict0ryliner]

[Ghost Rider]

about climate change, find out what the consensus among scientists are. I certainly do not care about the opinions of non-experts. after people have googled what the informed consensus is, get back here.

nevertheless, that is no reason for this ridiculous thread to exist. infrastructure is certainly a bigger failure here.

Tama, ang key sa survival ay kung paano tayo mag-aadjust, ganyan ang purpose ng evolution, species evolve to adapt sa changing environment, you can't adapt, then your species will be extinct

I'm not saying na we need to biologically evolve, baka mamaya may tumira nanaman sakin dito

What I mean is, we should learn to adapt sa changing times, alam na natin na magiging "normal" na ang dating "once in a lifetime" events na eto dahil sa global warming, pero anong gagawin natin? Nganganga?

Okay maaaring kasalanan pa eto ng mga naunang presidente o sinumang LGU na nakaupo, pero kayong mga nasa pwesto ngayon at tayong mga nabubuhay ngayon, matuto tayong mag-adjust.

Proper urban planning sa gobyerno, disiplina naman sa mga mamamayan, magkusa na tayong mag-reduce ng basura natin.

Dapat pati ang culture sa tingi system baguhin na rin, magpatupad ng batas para ipagbawal eto, yung mga sachet ng shampoo, detergents, etc. yan ang bulk ng basura na tinatapon sa drainage system.

Kung tulong sa ibang bansa, nasa Kyoto Protocol yan dati, eh nag-expire na so hintay na lang tayo ng bago .

Mas maraming bansa ang mas nangangailangan pa bukod sa atin, andyan ang Maldives na ang buong bansa mismo mawawala sa mapa dahil sa pagtaas ng tubig sa dagat.

Kung kaya nating gayahin ang Netherlands na binakuran ang ilang lugar sa kanila parang dam to prevent na kainin ang bansa nila ng tubig o sa Venice (City of water). Alam ko naipropose na dati yan sa Manila dati pero mukhang walang nangyari.

Yun pang sinabi ni Palafox na kung natuloy lang ang mega drainage project ni Marcos sa Paranaque (he opened the topic after the Ondoy event) sana hindi ganito. May mga usapan na itutuloy na yan ngayon pero maraming opposed dahil marami ng commercial at exclusive subdivisions na nakatayo sa ibabaw ng gagawan ng project na eto.

So kung magpapatigasan tayo, hindi tayo mananalo sa kalikasan.

[_Zei_Emu_]

Kaya tayo binu-bully ng ibang bansa dahil sa "paawa" attitude ng Pinoy e.

Imbes na mamalimos ng tulong si PNoy sa ibang bansa bakit hindi mag-isip ng paraan kung paano malulutas ang problema sa baha, sa basura, sa mga squatters.. We can do this by ourselves without the help of other countries.. pero dapat yung pondo gamitin sa tamang paraan imbes na mapunta sa bulsa ng mga corrupt and greedy politicians.

[sliceoftime]

How are you going to establish causality? How will you prove that carbon emissions from the US is causing the floods in the Philippines? I know you say everything is related in this circle of life pero correlation does not imply causation.

Saka the real cause of the flooding is inadequate infrastructure to cope with the volume of rainwater and dagdag pa natin yung lack of discipline ng mga tao na tapon lang ng tapon ng basura.

Off topic: nakita ko sa inquirer kanina lumuluha daw ang langit dahil sa RH Bill. haha

[paenggoy]

Will be difficult because they are also experiencing economic difficulties. See the global meltdown thread for details.

[Nietono_no_Shana]

@Kikiyo_Mori

Whether the typhoons, floods, LPA, etc. are more frequent and stronger than they were decades ago, it doesn't change the fact that the current government is unprepared.

The government can do much more, if they will just move their lazy asses. Take for example the impeachment of Corona, who would have thought it will be possible.

I agree with you that if the rage of mother nature will be unstoppable if it is too strong, but IMHO the recent incident is not even at par with Hurricane Katrina. The government's lack of preparation for the worst case scenario, immediate solution, long term solution, etc. doesn't help our current situation and just makes it worst.

Our current situation is not as worst as Maldives and Tonga, thus the comparison is way off track.

[RedbeD]

how can you convince them to pay when they can see that the flooding is a result of poor urban planning, poor waste management and poor discipline among the metro's citizens?

[Aizrith]

Hihingi nang tulong sa ibang bansa?. Hindi nga natin matulungan sariling bansa natin.

Walang aksyon para sa pangmatagalang solusyon,
gusto laging donasyon

[_Kitty_]

Bakit aasa sa industrialized countries? Kaya nga naghihirap ang Pilipinas dahil sa mga mauunlad na bansang yan. Aangat ang Pilipinas kung lalaya tayo sa mga manghuhuthot na mga bansang industriyalisado. Pero ano ang nangyayari? Pinananatili tayong atrasado para laging may mapagkunan ng hilaw na materyales. At aabuluyan sa panahon ng kalamidad para magmukhang matulungin.

Ang mga propesyunal na walang alam sa pulitika lang ang naniniwala diyan.

[Darius03]

An Atomic Bomd was dropped in Hiroshima 67 years ago and you can google and search how it is today and it looks much better than the Philippines. Did the people of Hiroshima asked other nations to rehabilitate them?
Kapal-muks talaga ang mga Pinoy pag nakinig sila sa starter ng thread na ito.
Asa ng asa na lang sa iba. Walang kusang palo!

[paenggoy]

An Atomic Bomd was dropped in Hiroshima 67 years ago and you can google and search how it is today and it looks much better than the Philippines. Did the people of Hiroshima asked other nations to rehabilitate them?
Kapal-muks talaga ang mga Pinoy pag nakinig sila sa starter ng thread na ito.
Asa ng asa na lang sa iba. Walang kusang palo!

From what I remember, the Dodds report initiated such in general for the Japanese economy, as the country was needed to act as an obstacle to the threat of communism in the region. PH was seen as merely a source of raw materials.