SPEAK YOUR MIND MONDAY: Do you support the RH Bill? Why or why not ?

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The RH Bill is in the hands of the congressmen. It will either be passed in congress or get rejected. For this week, we ask you...

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Do you support the RH Bill ? Why or why not ?


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YES....to raise children or bring children to this world without providing well for them is more of a sin than mere using contraceptives

[gUy^]

^^ agree, mas maka bwisit talga yung makita mo nanlilimos na magulang na may hawak na anak. naawa ako sa anak at the same time natatakot din. kase sila na susunod na maging bad guys

[Maximum_effort]

YES....to raise children or bring children to this world without providing well for them is more of a sin than mere using contraceptives

The government's duty is to provide EDUCATION, SHELTER, EMPLOYMENT and SAFETY for it's CITIZENS, including the unborn and the family.

To Interfere with conception and the choice of family to have the number of children they want to have is no more than NEGLECT of duty on the part of the government.

Emerging economies today used their population and WORKFORCE to improve their economy. I mean workforce... We just need to translate Population into Workforce.

The problem of China and India nowadays is their aging population because of their own reproductive bills.

Our nation survives because of our huge WORKFORCE... why not make them our advantage???

[Maximum_effort]

^^ agree, mas maka bwisit talga yung makita mo nanlilimos na magulang na may hawak na anak. naawa ako sa anak at the same time natatakot din. kase sila na susunod na maging bad guys

It's because we neglect to help our country by providing everyone sufficient education and shelter... We don't have the right to discriminate their right to live... Our real problem is the lack of sense of nationality because "naiinis tayo sa mga nanlilimos" rather than "naaawa tayo dhil wala silang sapat na edukasyon at makakain", because us citizens and the government want them out by interfering with their right to live rather than IMPROVE their lives by addressing poverty through cheap education, enough necessities AND employment.

What if Children saw these condoms and contraceptives used and scattered inside their own homes because it's freely given and tolerated by the government?? Morality will surely diminish... God save our country.

[Maximum_effort]

Can't you understand what is meant by “There is no culture or subculture in the world that has permitted contraception and then has not gone on to permit abortion,” writes Natalie Hudson in “The Contraception Misconception.”??

[valarc]

The chance of a Latex condom breaking WHEN USED PROPERLY is astronomically low. If it stills breaks, you still have morning pill. Ta DA!!! No more abortion.

Then what was the 85% protection rate from HIV that Esperanza Cabral was talking about when she mentioned condoms? 15% is not astronomically low. You're making up your own statistics.

http://archives.pia.gov.ph/?m=12&sec...ate=03/23/2010

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Yes .. it's the right thing to do.. if you deeply care about it.. your love is always be there for them but that's not enough they will live in a real world..so think about it..

[maikimai]

Then what was the 85% protection rate from HIV that Esperanza Cabral was talking about when she mentioned condoms? 15% is not astronomically low. You're making up your own statistics.

http://archives.pia.gov.ph/?m=12&sec...ate=03/23/2010

I was talking about the condom BREAKING not protecting against HIV. Read again.

[imanh0rn]

I was talking about the condom BREAKING not protecting against HIV. Read again.

that's why proper education is essential. there's actually the correct method of putting on a condom such as pinching the reservoir before putting on, avoiding petrol based lubricant to prevent the condom from breaking, after ejaculating the condom has to be removed correctly.

it's just a 30 minute seminar

[rob_arciaga]

One of the challenges here in the PH is the lack of division between the State and the Church(es). It's hard to believe the religious groups go against the RH bill out of the mere belief it's against their religious POV; they always have another motive. On the other hand, politicians always suck up to these groups because of the potential votes they can garner.

IMHO, it's simply like this: sex is a physiologic response of any living organism (kaya nga may mga migrations at mating season ang mga hayop e, tayo pa kayang mga tao?) and it should be my responsibility to bear those choices --- I can either prevent a pregnancy, or be responsible if my woman does bear a child.

I'd rather jerk off if I will only choose to face it with the worst of choices: abort the baby (hell NO!) or raise the kid inefficiently (bad parenting skills not counted).

Honestly, even those who are sworn into celibacy feel the physiologic need for sex, hence their need to meditate. Let's see what happens if you drop a beautiful naked woman in the midst of celibates who have not seen one in a loooong time. I doubt there won't even be the slightest physiologic reaction; and I'm not simply referring to an erection.

Those who *force* abstinence unto others are pure hypocrites.

[Aizrith]

I don't see any harm in passing this bill. At the end of the day, it's still us, who's going to decide whether to render the services provided by the bill or if you think it's not appropriate to your values and beliefs, you're free to ignore it and stick to your own principles.

Imposing one's values and belief on others can bring no good. If it’s for the better why not give this bill a chance? We need to be open-minded and look at the bigger picture instead of painting the negative sides of the bill. The future of our children, and the next generations to come is also at stake here.

-From a Christian supporting RH Bill

[maikimai]

One of the challenges here in the PH is the lack of division between the State and the Church(es). It's hard to believe the religious groups go against the RH bill out of the mere belief it's against their religious POV; they always have another motive. On the other hand, politicians always suck up to these groups because of the potential votes they can garner.

IMHO, it's simply like this: sex is a physiologic response of any living organism (kaya nga may mga migrations at mating season ang mga hayop e, tayo pa kayang mga tao?) and it should be my responsibility to bear those choices --- I can either prevent a pregnancy, or be responsible if my woman does bear a child.

I'd rather jerk off if I will only choose to face it with the worst of choices: abort the baby (hell NO!) or raise the kid inefficiently (bad parenting skills not counted).

Honestly, even those who are sworn into celibacy feel the physiologic need for sex, hence their need to meditate. Let's see what happens if you drop a beautiful naked woman in the midst of celibates who have not seen one in a loooong time. I doubt there won't even be the slightest physiologic reaction; and I'm not simply referring to an erection.

Those who *force* abstinence unto others are pure hypocrites.

Yeah, not all people has the willpower to celibate like monks.

[rob_arciaga]

Yeah, not all people has the willpower to celibate like monks.

lol

Just to re-iterate what I said, I'm not insinuating that the only choices are to have sex or not to have sex.

I simply want to be left with my choice: to abstain or to have responsible sexual activities. It's either that or we see the Filipinos turn into sexually-depraved, cranky, mood-swinging folks. Or a rise in abortion rates. Or a population explosion (not like we're not having that problem... but I digress.)

My body. My needs. My choice. And as Ben Grimm would say, "it'll be a cold day on Yancy street" before someone else will make my choices.

[curiouser]

The RH Bill alone is not the solution to our country's ailments. We also need sound economic and monetary policies, as well as effective administration. Without the RH Bill, however, these policies and administration will fall short. I believe it is about time that our country has a comprehensive population policy that is available and beneficial to all, regardless of race, creed, gender, or moral inclination.

(Im)morality and corruption are important considerations, but they are tangential issues to what this bill aims to achieve, and thus, should be addressed in parallel, and not considered impediments to its legislation.

[imanh0rn]

The RH Bill alone is not the solution to our country's ailments. We also need sound economic and monetary policies, as well as effective administration. Without the RH Bill, however, these policies and administration will fall short. I believe it is about time that our country has a comprehensive population policy that is available and beneficial to all, regardless of race, creed, gender, or moral inclination.

(Im)morality and corruption are important considerations, but they are tangential issues to what this bill aims to achieve, and thus, should be addressed in parallel, and not considered impediments to its legislation.

dapat mo yan i-translate in layman's terms

feel ko di nila naintindihan sinabi mo lol

[jerxthegreat]

Yes to rh bill.

Our future mother and existing ones depend on it.

[albertus magnus]

I'm all for women's health, birth spacing at responsible parenthood(not just rhythm method but the use of condom, IUD for e.g). But they say Section 3, article 11(?) is for legalizing abortion. All the objectives of these RH bill are already have their proper legal framework in place at may budget na rin dyan sa condom et al. May mga obfuscated provisions dyan na questionable.

But population control and any other genocidal Eugenics pursuit of the Sabbatean Mammon worshipping zionist banksters of the Libor Conspiracy Scandal fame with their Agenda 21/Millenium development goals to cull the many useless eaters of the brown race (just kidding) in the guise of the noblest of goals like eradicate the poor este poverty, pursuit of maternal and child health are just band aid solution to the root cause of these problems, their failed parasitic financial system. We have to return to physical economy as pursued by FDR in the New DEAL making use of Hamiltonian economics.

[imanh0rn]

I'm all for women's health, birth spacing at responsible parenthood(not just rhythm method but the use of condom, IUD for e.g). But they say Section 3, article 11(?) is for legalizing abortion. All the objectives of these RH bill are already have their proper legal framework in place at may budget na rin dyan sa condom et al. May mga obfuscated provisions dyan na questionable.

But population control and any other genocidal Eugenics pursuit of the Sabbatean Mammon worshipping zionist banksters of the Libor Conspiracy Scandal fame with their Agenda 21/Millenium development goals to cull the many useless eaters of the brown race (just kidding) in the guise of the noblest of goals like eradicate the poor este poverty, pursuit of maternal and child health are just band aid solution to the root cause of these problems, their failed parasitic financial system. We have to return to physical economy as pursued by FDR in the New DEAL making use of Hamiltonian economics.

it was clarified by Pia cayetano that the bill does not legalize abortion HOWEVER those women who were unfortunate enough to have an abortion (illegal) must receive proper care.

Kasi practice ng ibang hospitals such as catholic hospitals na pinaparusahan ang babae with suspected illegal abortion. Some of them have been turned away and forced to seek medical care from another hospital

Totoo yan dahil it happened in a "catholic" hospital in Cagayan de Oro city when I was still a student nurse. the family of the woman were crying because the Nuns who ran the hospital would not admit the patient because it was suspected that the patient was bleeding due to illegal abortion.


Sa tingin ko, tama naman si Pia Cayetano with that part of the law. It's not legalizing but helping women who were coerced or given wrong information about abortion dahil hindi nakapag gamit ng contraceptive in the first place.

[rob_arciaga]

Totoo yan dahil it happened in a "catholic" hospital in Cagayan de Oro city when I was still a student nurse. the family of the woman were crying because the Nuns who ran the hospital would not admit the patient because it was suspected that the patient was bleeding due to illegal abortion.

(For the record, I'm not pro-abortion.) Another of example of the religious leaders and their hypocrisy. I'll leave it at that.

Not considering therapeutic abortion, did the nun bother to ask why the patient had an abortion in the first place? What if it was a pregnancy due to rape? So they're willing to let the patient bleed to death or die of sepsis?

Back on-topic: do we not have public quorums of any form where the masa can actually read the entire bill, raise questions and get answers? Because honestly, the only reason why people object is because they don't understand the discussion. And there are ignoramuses even adding fuel to the fire because it suits their purposes or it makes them look good.

[imanh0rn]

(For the record, I'm not pro-abortion.) Another of example of the religious leaders and their hypocrisy. I'll leave it at that.

Not considering therapeutic abortion, did the nun bother to ask why the patient had an abortion in the first place? What if it was a pregnancy due to rape? So they're willing to let the patient bleed to death or die of sepsis?

Back on-topic: do we not have public quorums of any form where the masa can actually read the entire bill, raise questions and get answers? Because honestly, the only reason why people object is because they don't understand the discussion. And there are ignoramuses even adding fuel to the fire because it suits their purposes or it makes them look good.

ganun ka strict ang mga madre sa hospital. pero ngayon under new management na sila. mga pari na ang heads. so far mas compassionate compared to the nuns.