SPEAK YOUR MIND MONDAY: Do you support the RH Bill? Why or why not ?

[Nakura]

The RH Bill is in the hands of the congressmen. It will either be passed in congress or get rejected. For this week, we ask you...


Do you support the RH Bill ? Why or why not ?


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[motherfather]

I SAY YES TO RH BILL because I say NO to the following:
-overpopulation,
-extreme poverty,
-extreme hunger resulting to malnourished children,
-increase in maternal death,
-unwanted pregnancy,
-unsafe sex, and
-IGNORANCE!

Above all, I'm PRO-RH BILL because I'm PRO-LIFE, PRO-HUMAN, & PRO-CHOICE.

Motherfather for the 2013 elections. Thank you!

[jonslaught]

Reproductive health and population control has been a very controversial debate for decades now. Whatever the results on the plenary is that whether you agree or disagree with the bil, the onus of responsible parenthood will always be at the hands of every parent in this country and the government must do its role to make every families' BASIC needs are met. It will always be for the sake of what the family needs.

[pjay0928]

I SAY YES TO RH BILL.

it gives a chance to plan for the future of the family. the RH BILL will or could put a stop to families with many children add another child. kawawa yung mga pamilya na maraming anak na konti ang kaalaman sa family planning. this is one way of the government to help them. besides, hindi porket may RH BILL ay may ma legalize ang abortion dahil different naman sila. hindi ibig sabihin nun na gumagamit ka ng condom, ay supporter ka na rin ng abortion.

iwas sakit na rin ang dulot ng RH BILL.

YES to RH BILL. YES to LIFE.

[legendpba]

I SAY YES TO RH BILL because I say NO to the following:
-overpopulation,
-extreme poverty,
-extreme hunger resulting to malnourished children,
-increase in maternal death,
-unwanted pregnancy,
-unsafe sex, and
-IGNORANCE!

Above all, I'm PRO-RH BILL because I'm PRO-LIFE, PRO-HUMAN, & PRO-CHOICE.

Motherfather for the 2013 elections. Thank you!

just to add.. higher crime rates due to poverty kadalasan sinasabi ng mga skwater
"kailangan lang namin magnakaw kasi kailangan namin ng pera may sakit anak ko, 10 anak ko sir maawa na ***"

sabi ng Diyos

"Genesis 1:28) (NWT) Further, God blessed them and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth.”"

subdue = control kapag sumobra. eliminate or to take control wag aabusuhin..

kaso inaabuso na natin ang mundo at dami nating tao. kailangan magbawas o control

[imanh0rn]

YES I support RH Bill



Classic example of a large family nandito lahat

1. Mga anak (lima lahat) namatay sa kapabayaan, sakit, sinapupunan etc
2. Mga anak na naging barumbado, di nakatapos sa skwela
3. Mga anak walang gamit sa skwelahan
4. Maaga na nag trabaho na mga anak (below 18 yo)
5. Mga anak na pinamigay dahil di na kayang alagaan
6. Sa isang kilo na bigas 22 kumakain di pa kasama ang magulang
7. Mga anak na matanda na at magulang di na kakain na lang para sa mga kababatang kapatid
8. Anak na nakapag asawa ng lalaki na sobrang matanda pa sa kanya
9. Finally nagkasakit ang Nanay, kailangan operahan sa apdo (may bato sa apdo)

Ang sabi lang ng tatay (not verbatim)

Danilo Cabenan: Di ko hinangad dumami ang anak ko... Wala nagbigay sa akin advice na "Ba't di kayo mag pills" walang nagsabi

At the end of the video aba meron pa palang ibang anak si Nanay. Kalurkey

[imanh0rn]

Kalimutan ko idagdag dyan sa video

10. INCEST (watch the vid, as in EW)

[imanh0rn]

I'd like to add again sa video, (edit button where art thou?)

kung bakit pro RH ako

11. Suicide - one of the family members tried committing suicide because of HUNGER

Kung tutuusin, the father confessed magkano sweldo nya. Go to 8:10, he says he earns 404 a day.

For a 20 day work that's roughly 8,000, technically hindi dapat "poor" kasi according to National Statistical Coordination Board (NSCB)

The SWS on Wednesday estimated that in 2011, the average income of poor Filipinos must be around P8,000 per month to keep themselves out of poverty.

http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/hom...line-says-nscb

Pero may dagdag

SWS showed that in the National Capital Region, food cost for families with 1 to 2 members was P5,000 a month while 3 to 4 members need P5,500. Families with 5 to 6 members and 7 to 8 members need an average food budget of P7,000 a month while families with more than 9 members need P8,000 a month to keep from being food poor.

I know it came from SWS but those figures are downright understandable. Food cost pa lang yan, what about education? healthcare? utility bills? transportation?

404 is actually right near the minimum wage set for NCR

source: SUMMARY OF CURRENT REGIONAL DAILY MINIMUM WAGE RATES
Non-Agriculture, Agriculture
As of July 2012

However, he has to share that 8,000 pesos to a family size of 24 (22 children + 2 parents)

Kaya I believe that over population isn't just the number of family members rather the number of family members sharing the resources.

Kung tutuusin, that 8,000 will just be about right for a family of three

Pass the RH BILL!

[ArnoldZ]

Those who think that the RH bill will solve the following problems,
-overpopulation,
-extreme poverty,
-extreme hunger resulting to malnourished children,
-increase in maternal death,
-unwanted pregnancy,
-unsafe sex, and
-IGNORANCE!
are up to facing a hard reality soon.
The RH bill is an emotional and populist approach that sways those who dislike the Church, that;s what the politicians what to portray themselves.

Country............Population..... Land area (sq mi)...Density/sq m.
Philippines.......89,468,677......115,124 ...................777
Japan.............127,463,611.....152,411...................836
Korea, South.....48,846,823 ......37,911 ................1,288
Vietnam............84,402,966 ....125,622 ...................672
India............1,095,351,995 .1,147,949 ...................954
Denmark............5,450,661.......16,359...................333
France.............60,876,136.....210,668................... 289

Denmark known for its very liberal attitude when it comes to sex and almost just 15% the size pof the Philippines yet, it has a low population density.
Japan has larger population density than the Philippines and yet it is very prosperous.
India with large population baelay have the problems as the Philippines.
And South Korea with the largest population densitiy is much better than the Philippines industrially.
In foreign countries where citizens of the above immigrated, flourishes in business, Korean businesses, Indian, Vietnamese, can be seen all over, but not the Pinoys, well a scattering here and there but considering the literacy in English and educational level one would expect that the Pinoys will have as much if not more businesses as the other nationalities.

It is the Philippines' westernized culture, lack of true identity, attitude towards sex as a pastime activity, get-rich quick dreams, lack of self-motivation and industriousness, are most of the causes that makes the Philippines it is today. These are the problems that an RH bill will not solve and thus the RH bill can make the situation much worse than it is now. Pinoys have the predisposition/propensity to be misdirected in their efforts when trying to solve problems.

[therrajj]

I don't support this rh bill because there are more important things that the government must focus on, and i hate that it will allow abortion.

Contraceptives are already practiced but not implemented well by local government maybe because of corruption, ignorance, selfishness, etc.



The government should be focused on quality education, malnutrition, hunger and poverty, safety and security, pollution, graft and corruption, and our economy.


For the reproductive health program, the government, even without this bill, can improve health centers on different barangays. They don't need to pass this bill to take the necessary action for birth control and maternal care.

[Maximum_effort]

LET'S MAKE THIS OBJECTIVE AND KNOWLEDGEABLE AND NOT MERELY BASED ON OPINIONS

Chant the RH mantras By Antonio J. Montalvan II (PDI May 16, 2011 Issue)

YOU WERE born yesterday. Your science is outdated. Your faith should be schizophrenic—leave it at your doorsteps.

That, in recap, seemed to be what pro-RH Bill adherents are saying to those who oppose it.

Watching ANC’s “Harapan” more than a week ago, the time has come for us to shift to what is not being said because these actually speak volumes. To get anywhere near the truth which precisely cannot be afforded any denial is what is owed to a public on the verge of making an informed decision. But by arguing with the “follow what I say, not what I do” mode?

Edcel Lagman, for instance, was clearly caught on the defensive when confronted with what he had repeatedly claimed, that the RH Bill is not a population measure. Lagman could not counter the fact either that the Philippine population growth rate has been steadily declining. Why the need for the bill?

Esperanza Cabral did not deny saying that the pill can cause breast cancer. Yet that fact is slurred over by pro-RH advocates precisely because it will demolish their cause. I am sure Cabral did not commit a boo-boo. She is a medical doctor and knows the truth and for that we must be grateful to her. In fact, we must now use her statement as a mantra. The medical evidence on the link between contraception and breast cancer is well established. But in downplaying that fact of science, is that not lying?

Risa Hontiveros-Baraquel kept on saying “no name calling” yet could not stop colleague Carlos Celdran from making an unkind cut on the still-speaking Joey Lina by saying, audibly to televiewers, “liar!” Who started the Damaso trend of name-tagging anyway? Wow, so much integrity is indeed at stake here, let alone proper manners.

A Thomas-Aquinas-quoting Sylvia Estrada Claudio admitted she was no Catholic yet could not explain how the RH Bill could in fact impose its domination on those who deem it contrary to their faith. Imagine an employer who is Catholic face the specter of jail if that employer refuses to make available contraceptive services to employees.

Again, the mikes picked up Carlos Celdran, muttering audibly without being asked, that “We have the Pulse Asia and SWS surveys behind us, where the respondents did not have to pay 2.50 to text in their answers.” Precisely, the inutile selectivity for surveys. We are pleased with them only when the results are in our favor. But when a soaring 65 percent is against the bill?

It is the taxpaying public who will pay the costs of the RH Bill, truly a bonanza to multinational pharmaceuticals. Going base in denying the truth about contraception is a vicious approach at educating the public. That approach will be futile: the history of contraception is long.

We have much to learn from one of the most astute contraception magistrates of the world. To Hillary Rodham Clinton goes that credit. At the G8 Foreign Ministers meeting in Gatineau, Canada, Clinton chastised the host Canadian government, a conservative at that moment, for focusing on maternal health by omitting discussions on contraception.

“I’m not going to speak for what Canada decides, but I will say that I’ve worked in this area for many years. And if we’re talking about maternal health, you cannot have maternal health without reproductive health. And reproductive health includes contraception and family planning and access to legal, safe abortion.” (underscoring mine)
There you have it. A bogey it is not.

Besides the Cabral mantra we must now chant, add the Clinton mantra that contraception and abortion are, verily, conjoined twins. Thank you, Mrs. Clinton.

The US Secretary of State could not have skimmed over the fact that in Canada, the birth control pill was legalized there in 1969, the same year it legalized abortion. Just a year after, Canada Statistics reported 11,152 abortions. Today that number is a whopping 106,418, a ten-fold increase since 1970. And yet how pervasive is contraceptive use in Canada? The World Health Organization reports that “among Canadian women age 15-44, 86 percent report using the pill.”

“There is no culture or subculture in the world that has permitted contraception and then has not gone on to permit abortion,” writes Natalie Hudson in “The Contraception Misconception.”

“As acceptance of contraception increases, so does acceptance of abortion. Why is this the case? Because at the root of contraception is the notion that a couple can engage in sexual activity and avoid its natural consequences. Couples who unintentionally conceive a child while using contraception are far more likely to resort to abortion than others.
“Contraception alters our understanding of human sexuality by changing its purpose. The effects are far reaching and affect the way that we understand relationships, gender roles and the human person. Contraception has historically been promoted as a means of women’s emancipation, yet ironically it has led to a much greater objectification of women. Women’s bodies have become a testing ground for pharmaceutical companies to reap profits from the myth that the natural consequences of sex can be avoided; women are put out of touch with their bodies as their fertility cycles become chemically controlled; and contraception can also be used to hide the evidence of abuse that is sometimes perpetrated among young or marginalized women.”

“It is a sin to tell a lie,” medical doctor Rep. Janet Garin, sworn to the Hippocratic oath, says. If my understanding is correct, I suppose the Garin Morality also covers not lying to the public that now has to make an informed decision on the RH Bill? Transpose that to a doctor not disclosing all the medical consequences to a patient. No wonder the ignorance is much.

Now comes Death knocking on the Philippines’ doors. But chant the mantras.

[imanh0rn]

LET'S MAKE THIS OBJECTIVE AND KNOWLEDGEABLE AND NOT MERELY BASED ON OPINIONS

Chant the RH mantras By Antonio J. Montalvan II (PDI May 16, 2011 Issue)

YOU WERE born yesterday. Your science is outdated. Your faith should be schizophrenic—leave it at your doorsteps.

That, in recap, seemed to be what pro-RH Bill adherents are saying to those who oppose it.

Watching ANC’s “Harapan” more than a week ago, the time has come for us to shift to what is not being said because these actually speak volumes. To get anywhere near the truth which precisely cannot be afforded any denial is what is owed to a public on the verge of making an informed decision. But by arguing with the “follow what I say, not what I do” mode?

Edcel Lagman, for instance, was clearly caught on the defensive when confronted with what he had repeatedly claimed, that the RH Bill is not a population measure. Lagman could not counter the fact either that the Philippine population growth rate has been steadily declining. Why the need for the bill?

Esperanza Cabral did not deny saying that the pill can cause breast cancer. Yet that fact is slurred over by pro-RH advocates precisely because it will demolish their cause. I am sure Cabral did not commit a boo-boo. She is a medical doctor and knows the truth and for that we must be grateful to her. In fact, we must now use her statement as a mantra. The medical evidence on the link between contraception and breast cancer is well established. But in downplaying that fact of science, is that not lying?

Risa Hontiveros-Baraquel kept on saying “no name calling” yet could not stop colleague Carlos Celdran from making an unkind cut on the still-speaking Joey Lina by saying, audibly to televiewers, “liar!” Who started the Damaso trend of name-tagging anyway? Wow, so much integrity is indeed at stake here, let alone proper manners.

A Thomas-Aquinas-quoting Sylvia Estrada Claudio admitted she was no Catholic yet could not explain how the RH Bill could in fact impose its domination on those who deem it contrary to their faith. Imagine an employer who is Catholic face the specter of jail if that employer refuses to make available contraceptive services to employees.

Again, the mikes picked up Carlos Celdran, muttering audibly without being asked, that “We have the Pulse Asia and SWS surveys behind us, where the respondents did not have to pay 2.50 to text in their answers.” Precisely, the inutile selectivity for surveys. We are pleased with them only when the results are in our favor. But when a soaring 65 percent is against the bill?

It is the taxpaying public who will pay the costs of the RH Bill, truly a bonanza to multinational pharmaceuticals. Going base in denying the truth about contraception is a vicious approach at educating the public. That approach will be futile: the history of contraception is long.

We have much to learn from one of the most astute contraception magistrates of the world. To Hillary Rodham Clinton goes that credit. At the G8 Foreign Ministers meeting in Gatineau, Canada, Clinton chastised the host Canadian government, a conservative at that moment, for focusing on maternal health by omitting discussions on contraception.

“I’m not going to speak for what Canada decides, but I will say that I’ve worked in this area for many years. And if we’re talking about maternal health, you cannot have maternal health without reproductive health. And reproductive health includes contraception and family planning and access to legal, safe abortion.” (underscoring mine)
There you have it. A bogey it is not.

Besides the Cabral mantra we must now chant, add the Clinton mantra that contraception and abortion are, verily, conjoined twins. Thank you, Mrs. Clinton.

The US Secretary of State could not have skimmed over the fact that in Canada, the birth control pill was legalized there in 1969, the same year it legalized abortion. Just a year after, Canada Statistics reported 11,152 abortions. Today that number is a whopping 106,418, a ten-fold increase since 1970. And yet how pervasive is contraceptive use in Canada? The World Health Organization reports that “among Canadian women age 15-44, 86 percent report using the pill.”

“There is no culture or subculture in the world that has permitted contraception and then has not gone on to permit abortion,” writes Natalie Hudson in “The Contraception Misconception.”

“As acceptance of contraception increases, so does acceptance of abortion. Why is this the case? Because at the root of contraception is the notion that a couple can engage in sexual activity and avoid its natural consequences. Couples who unintentionally conceive a child while using contraception are far more likely to resort to abortion than others.
“Contraception alters our understanding of human sexuality by changing its purpose. The effects are far reaching and affect the way that we understand relationships, gender roles and the human person. Contraception has historically been promoted as a means of women’s emancipation, yet ironically it has led to a much greater objectification of women. Women’s bodies have become a testing ground for pharmaceutical companies to reap profits from the myth that the natural consequences of sex can be avoided; women are put out of touch with their bodies as their fertility cycles become chemically controlled; and contraception can also be used to hide the evidence of abuse that is sometimes perpetrated among young or marginalized women.”

“It is a sin to tell a lie,” medical doctor Rep. Janet Garin, sworn to the Hippocratic oath, says. If my understanding is correct, I suppose the Garin Morality also covers not lying to the public that now has to make an informed decision on the RH Bill? Transpose that to a doctor not disclosing all the medical consequences to a patient. No wonder the ignorance is much.

Now comes Death knocking on the Philippines’ doors. But chant the mantras.

there's no provision legalizing abortion in the RH bill

you should read it

[Maximum_effort]

there's no provision legalizing abortion in the RH bill

you should read it

but it's the first step before abortion could be prevalent, whether legal or not. pls read the article closely

[imanh0rn]

but it's the first step before abortion could be prevalent, whether legal or not. pls read the article closely

I have and it's irrelevant dahil sa law ng RH Bill bawal nga ang abortion. If the RH bill got passed and a new law be made to legalize abortion the RH bill will be one of the laws that will prevent the abortion law from being passed

DUH

[Maximum_effort]

I have and it's irrelevant dahil sa law ng RH Bill bawal nga ang abortion. If the RH bill got passed and a new law be made to legalize abortion the RH bill will be one of the laws that will prevent the abortion law from being passed

DUH

“There is no culture or subculture in the world that has permitted contraception and then has not gone on to permit abortion,” writes Natalie Hudson in “The Contraception Misconception.”

They said it's "contraceptive", but since it's not 100% effective, some have failed, making them pregnant which they have not chosen. Thus, they are forced to undergo abortion. freedom of choice means adequate knowledge of the choices.

duh, sorry Mr. if I speak on a GLOBAL Perspective and not merely on a piece of bill

[Maximum_effort]

The US Secretary of State could not have skimmed over the fact that in Canada, the birth control pill was legalized there in 1969, the same year it legalized abortion. Just a year after, Canada Statistics reported 11,152 abortions. Today that number is a whopping 106,418, a ten-fold increase since 1970. And yet how pervasive is contraceptive use in Canada? The World Health Organization reports that “among Canadian women age 15-44, 86 percent report using the pill.”

[imanh0rn]

“There is no culture or subculture in the world that has permitted contraception and then has not gone on to permit abortion,” writes Natalie Hudson in “The Contraception Misconception.”

They said it's "contraceptive", but since it's not 100% effective, some have failed, making them pregnant which they have not chosen. Thus, they are forced to undergo abortion. freedom of choice means adequate knowledge of the choices.

duh, sorry Mr. if I speak on a GLOBAL Perspective and not merely on a piece of bill

Duh sorry if I don't seem to think you're making intelligent statements

Contraceptives carry % protection rates. PROPER USE can increase protection rate which is why EDUCATION is important that is reinforced by the RH BILL


FACT 5: #RHBill will not teach a 10-year-old how to use condoms. RH education is age- and development- appropriate.


FACT 6: #RHBill promotes BOTH natural & artificial methods.

Again, there is so much disinformation spreading that only artificial family planning shall be promoted under the RH bill. This is false.



IGNORANCE such as the one displayed by your posts hinders the decision of a lot of people to make intelligent choices.

FACT 2: #RHBill does not legalize abortion. In fact, it explicitly adheres to the penal law on abortion.



http://www.mydailyrace.com/

That alone is VERY clear that abortion WILL note be tolerated HOWEVER those victims of abortion must receive due care even though they have done the deed illegally much like how suspects who obtained cuts and bruises have to right to health care before they are jailed.

READ and don't spout ignorant statements

Even the UN recognizes different kinds of abortion between therapeutic and induced

While abortions are legal in most countries, the grounds on which they are permitted vary. According to the United Nations publication World Abortion Policies 2011[4] abortion is allowed in most countries in order to save a woman's life (97% of countries). Other commonly accepted reasons are preserving physical (67%) or mental health (63%). Abortion in the case of rape or incest is accepted in about half of all countries (49%), and performing them because of economic or social reasons in about a third (34%). Performing abortion only on the basis of a woman's request is allowed in 29% of all countries, including in North America and in most European countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law

Only 29% allow induced abortion or those who have abortion on a whim or because the couple made a mistake.

AGAIN, if the couple are educated on how to use contraception, use periodic abstinence AKA calendar method then unwanted pregnancies will not OCCUR.

Keeping the people misinformed now THAT will lead women to abortion.

You know what? 25 years after Cory junked Marcos' population control policies, 25 years after the RCC ruled out that contraceptives are immoral, don't you think that it's IRONIC that women are still going to abortion clinics?

DAHIL NABUNTIS sa di-oras at nagpa ABORT na lang.

I'm PRO-RH, I'm also PRO therapeutic abortion to save the life of the mother under threat of eclampsia, pre-eclampsia, IUFD, anencephaly, fetal abdominal wall defects and more

[my_alter]

Yes, i support the RH Bill,

Particularly kasi ayokong sumide sa grupong naniniwala dito:
Anti-RH think weather is God's punishment for the #RHBill
http://storify.com/redtani/anti-rh-t...shment-for-the

Gamitin ba ang disaster na nangyayari saten as an excuxe to further their agenda. Wala akong masabi. Grabeh lang

[maikimai]

I don't support this rh bill because there are more important things that the government must focus on, and i hate that it will allow abortion.

Contraceptives are already practiced but not implemented well by local government maybe because of corruption, ignorance, selfishness, etc.



The government should be focused on quality education, malnutrition, hunger and poverty, safety and security, pollution, graft and corruption, and our economy.


For the reproductive health program, the government, even without this bill, can improve health centers on different barangays. They don't need to pass this bill to take the necessary action for birth control and maternal care.

No it won't allow abortion, it will actually prevent illegal abortion, by informing the people on how to use contraceptives. If you knew how to prevent getting pregnant, why would you go to an illegal abortion clinic in the first place?

In my case, my friends are debating whether pre-cum is potent or not, and if you look around here in Pex, the amount of ignorance about sexual health is disturbing.

Though I partly agree with ArnoldZ that this bill will not solve poverty, however it will reduce the burden on both the government and the community by decreasing the number of unproductive people in the society and possibly breaking the cycle of poverty within the family due to many children and not having the resources to raise them properly.

[maikimai]

“There is no culture or subculture in the world that has permitted contraception and then has not gone on to permit abortion,” writes Natalie Hudson in “The Contraception Misconception.”

They said it's "contraceptive", but since it's not 100% effective, some have failed, making them pregnant which they have not chosen. Thus, they are forced to undergo abortion. freedom of choice means adequate knowledge of the choices.

duh, sorry Mr. if I speak on a GLOBAL Perspective and not merely on a piece of bill

The chance of a Latex condom breaking WHEN USED PROPERLY is astronomically low. If it stills breaks, you still have morning pill. Ta DA!!! No more abortion.