Is Jesus God?

[admiral__cidric]

Between those antiChrists here and the ECF, I choose the latter.

Enough said.

[sashisu]

THE NAME... JESUS CHRIST.

Kanya kanyang paniniwala.

Kapag binanggit ang pangalang Jesus. Kung minsan nangyayari din kahit sa mga public forums na nga lang nagkakagulo pa.

Kung bakit, there is one thing for sure, JESUS is extraordinary. JESUS is not just a man. JESUS is the CHRIST, the SON of the LIVING GOD. JESUS is remarkable and exceptional, period.

[SmartDessa]

In John "I am" merely implies Jesus' place in time.

actually the Lord is saying that He is not of our time. He is the eternal "I am"

when the Lord said:
"Before Abraham came into being, I am"

notice that the Lord somehow made a wrong grammar, if we was really talking about His place in time then He should have said:
"Before Abraham came into being, I was"

but the Lord never make mistakes, to Him, "I am" which is in present tense", or "I was" in past tense, is the same. This shows that He is eternal.
In Exo. 3:14, "I AM WHO I AM" also implies eternality.

consider Rev 1:4
...Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is coming...

In this verse, God the Father is implied, the father has the same nature with the Son. Both are "I AM"

notice also in the same chapter that the Lord said that He is "I AM" who is out of this world,
truly the Lord is divine & eternal, God Himself.

[SmartDessa]

please read:

1 Cor. 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am; and His grace unto me did not turn out to be in vain, but, on the contrary, I labored more abundantly than all of them, yet not I but the grace of God which is with me.



done reading?
did you get goosebumps?

[tonton]

Is your interpretation brought about by the HS? Is it the absolute objective truth?

Even Satan existed before Abraham. Until now he is supposed to exist. Angels too. Are they God too?

Your interpretation is a contortionist's act.
.

[tonton]

please read:

1 Cor. 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am; and His grace unto me did not turn out to be in vain, but, on the contrary, I labored more abundantly than all of them, yet not I but the grace of God which is with me.



done reading?
did you get goosebumps?

Why are we supposed to get goosebumps? Is there anything profound in that? I see a hypocrite.

[tiburcioSais]

From GOD ' s written Words precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little, there a little.

JESUS CHRIST is GOD !

Requisite for a Covenant or Testament[/B]


It is fundamental to a testament that, for its fulfillment, it requires the death of the testator or the maker thereof. This is revealed to Apostle Paul in:

Hebrews 9:16 "For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator."

Who can refute and repudiate that the God of Abraham is the maker of the Testament of salvation. The declaration was "heard from His mouth" in Genesis 17:7. This therefore required God’s manifestation in the flesh. Let us now compare the different translations of the Holy Bible for God to fulfill His promise for salvation:

KJV or Authorized Version of 1611

1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

1 John 3:6 "Hereby perceive we the love of GOD, because he laid down his life for us..."



Modern versions of the Holy Bible vaguely render this promise:

NIV (New International Version)

1 Timothy 3:16 "Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory."

1 John 3:16 "This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us..."

The American Standard Version

Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory."

1 John 3:16 "Hereby know we love, because he laid down his life for us...."

Good News Translation - Second Edition

1 Timothy 3:16 "No one can deny how great is the secret of our religion: He appeared in human form, was shown to be right by the Spirit, and was seen by angels. He was preached among the nations, was believed in throughout the world, and was taken up to heaven."

1 John 3:16 "This is how we know what love is: Christ gave his life for us...."

Contemporary English Version

1 Timothy 3:16 "Here is the great mystery of our religion: Christ came as a human. The Spirit proved that he pleased God, and he was seen by angels. Christ was preached to the nations. People in this world put their faith in him, and he was taken up to glory."

1 John 3:16 "We know what love is because Jesus gave his life for us...."

Christian Standard Bible

1 Timothy 3:16 "And most certainly, the mystery of godliness is great: He was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up in glory."

1 John 3:16 "This is how we have come to know love: He laid down His life for us..."

The Douay-Rheims Bible

1 Timothy 3:16 "And evidently great is the mystery of godliness, which was manifested in the flesh, was justified in the spirit, appeared unto angels, hath been preached unto the Gentiles, is believed in the world, is taken up in glory."

1 John 3:16 "In this we have known the charity of God, because he hath laid down his life for us..."

Holy Bible, The New Living Translation

1 Timothy 3:16 "Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith: Christ appeared in the flesh and was shown to be righteous by the Spirit. F9 He was seen by angels and was announced to the nations. He was believed on in the world and was taken up into heaven."

1 John 3:16 "We know what real love is because Christ gave up his life for us. ...."


It appears that the modern versions avoided citing the word "GOD" in 1Timothy 3:16 and, instead, substituted "He" or "Christ." In The Douay-Rheims Bible nothing is mentioned at all regarding this matter. And in 1 John 3:16, to further emphasize that God fulfilled His testament with His death, only the KJV or Authorized Version of 1611 and the Bishops Bible properly renders as:

1 John 3:6 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us...".... ...


The Testament of salvation

After the Fall as every Bible believer knows, man needs God’s assurance for salvation. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob revealed this covenant in:

Genesis 17:7 "And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee."

Later, God made known that this testament of salvation was not exclusive to the (physical) "seeds of Abraham" but to all people belonging to Christ.

Romans 9:6 "Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel."

Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed (spiritual seed), and heirs according to the promise." .. .....

[totben331]

If "I AM" is the name of God.

Who is YAHWEH?
Who is Jehovah?

Then why He changed His name to "Jesus"?

[Frank_Macky]

That's precisely the problem with this Jesus character. He stumbled upon some esoteric teachings and mastered a lot of them, but ended up misleading his crew and hundreds of millions thereafter.

He should have listened to the religious authorities of his day and stopped calling himself God. But he was apparently as vainglorious as any of these modern day cult leaders who call themselves Jesus. Of course, for many brainwashed Jesus freaks, the paradoxical thing is that they don't believe any of these cult leaders who are here in the flesh but rather choose to believe in something imaginary. How do they reconcile this with their constant mumbling about how Jesus coming back...? How can they be so sure that it's not one of these cult leaders already? The answer is that they don't know anything at all, they just need their emotional crutches.


What is the difference between some character calling himself "Son of God" 2 thousand years ago versus a cult leader today calling himself "Jesus"?? NOTHING.

Anyone can make up claims of miraculous feats, all the better if it happened so long ago that no one can verify them.

[Frank_Macky]

THE NAME... JESUS CHRIST.

Kanya kanyang paniniwala.

Kapag binanggit ang pangalang Jesus. Kung minsan nangyayari din kahit sa mga public forums na nga lang nagkakagulo pa.

Kung bakit, there is one thing for sure, JESUS is extraordinary. JESUS is not just a man. JESUS is the CHRIST, the SON of the LIVING GOD. JESUS is remarkable and exceptional, period.

Yep, Jazeebus is all they say he is...

[Pyros]

Even Popeye did repeatedly say "I AM WHAT I AM" and no one from the christiandom raised an eyebrow nor make any petition to stop the show! Jesus only said half of the phrase and he was claiming to be a god. Popeye must had been claiming twice as much god as Jesus.

Quoting God...err Dessa:

actually the Lord is saying that He is not of our time. He is the eternal "I am"

God needs an interpreter so he send Dessa....kicked her out of the clouds and came falling down...live with us in PEx & now the Mouth from heaven speaks with thundering voice---Listen to her....swerty natin di bah!

[Ateo]

please read:

1 Cor. 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am; and His grace unto me did not turn out to be in vain, but, on the contrary, I labored more abundantly than all of them, yet not I but the grace of God which is with me.



done reading?
did you get goosebumps?

Itong mayabang na si Pabling ay I AM din pala siya?!? Walastik!

[Pyros]

You misread the verse. Wait for the correct interpretation from heaven after which you will get goosebumps

[baldo!]

sa maramihan lang naman ginagamit ang pangalan. pero kung nagiisa lang naman di na kailangan ng pangalan.

[sophion]

actually the Lord is saying that He is not of our time.

mas may sense pa kung ganyang argument lang.

notice that the Lord somehow made a wrong grammar

anak lang kasi ng carpintero eh. there are other grammar mistakes in the bible. could also have been caused by faulty transmissions.

[tonton]

That's precisely the problem with this Jesus character. He stumbled upon some esoteric teachings and mastered a lot of them, but ended up misleading his crew and hundreds of millions thereafter.

He should have listened to the religious authorities of his day and stopped calling himself God. But he was apparently as vainglorious as any of these modern day cult leaders who call themselves Jesus. Of course, for many brainwashed Jesus freaks, the paradoxical thing is that they don't believe any of these cult leaders who are here in the flesh but rather choose to believe in something imaginary. How do they reconcile this with their constant mumbling about how Jesus coming back...? How can they be so sure that it's not one of these cult leaders already? The answer is that they don't know anything at all, they just need their emotional crutches.


What is the difference between some character calling himself "Son of God" 2 thousand years ago versus a cult leader today calling himself "Jesus"?? NOTHING.

Anyone can make up claims of miraculous feats, all the better if it happened so long ago that no one can verify them.

The cultists can verify them because Jeeezas is in them.

[tonton]

What does God and Popeye have in common?

[totben331]

please read:

1 Cor. 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am; and His grace unto me did not turn out to be in vain, but, on the contrary, I labored more abundantly than all of them, yet not I but the grace of God which is with me.



done reading?
did you get goosebumps?

Wow Paul is also God?.....I am what I am.

[Frank_Macky]

What does God and Popeye have in common?


http://3vilowhereru.files.wordpress....if?w=280&h=266

Therefore to follow Dessa's "logic" Popeye is also God!!!

[sashisu]

Yep, Jazeebus is all they say he is...

Naisipan mo pa iquote ang post ko, basahin mo mabuti, ang sinasabi ko si Jesus Christ na sinasabi ng TS dito, at hindi si Jazeebus mo, get mo.... Nonsense ka.

Waste of time lang kung makikipagtalo pa sa mga antichrist dito. Pambabastos na nga ang ginagawa ng iba dito.

Waste of time. Nonsense na ang thread na ito.

Naging topic na ito sa ROT. May similar thread na. Enough said, Jesus is God.