Annulment - A Filipino Catholic Hypocrisy

[sophion]

The Philippines is one of the few places in the world - alongside the Vatican and Malta - where divorce is still prohibited.

Annulments are currently too expensive for anyone but the rich to contemplate.

First, couples have to prove that their marriage licence is not valid or that one person is, in legal terms at least, psychologically incapacitated.

It is an expensive procedure, and Congressman Neri Colmenares says the system discriminates against those who cannot afford to hire lawyers and psychiatrists.

He wants the bill to be simplified, so that anyone who can prove their partner has been violent, abandoned the family home or is guilty of infidelity is automatically assumed to have a form of "psychological incapacity".

Mr Colmenares is from a minority party, and he is likely to face a tough challenge, not just from opponents in Congress but also the powerful Catholic Church.

But whether his bill succeeds or not, it highlights a glaring disparity - while poor people can be trapped for years in abusive marriages, it is not uncommon for the rich to have more than one marriage annulled.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12217090


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Steps and Procedure in Annulment and Declaration of Nullity of Marriage

1. Make sure it is the last resort.
2. Realize that it will cost you.
3. Discuss the custody of children, visitation rights, property arrangements and support.
4. Make sure to invoke a valid ground.

http://jlp-law.com/blog/steps-proced...y-of-marriage/

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aba eh parang divorce lang yan ah! except that only the rich can do it.

catholics say divorce is against the bible so they invented "annulment" which is practically the same thing! this is hyprocicy at its finest.

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Annulment is a legal procedure for declaring a marriage null and void.[1] Unlike divorce, it is usually retroactive, meaning that an annulled marriage is considered to be invalid from the beginning almost as if it had never taken place

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annulment

YEAH RIGHT! never taken place daw. sarili na lang lolokohin pa!

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MAY ANNULMENT BA SA BIBLE?

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Dear filipino catholics, why cant you be like the Catholics in Rome? They allow divorce in there!

[matangkahoy]

Another example of the Catholic church sticking their noses and sticky fingers into the lives of many. I've always felt this as an issue against housewives, who suffer the most when they can't leave their philandering husbands (this is just a generalization on my part, so don't send me hate mail) legally, which in this case is only through an expensive and lengthy annulment in the Philippines. Meantime, they just have to bear the pain and swallow their pride.

[Ateo]

Not just in Rome, divorce is LEGAL in Vatican too. According to the provisions of the 1929 Lateran Treaty that created the Vatican, the laws of Italy will also automatically become the laws of Vatican state. So, when the Italian Parliament passed the divorce law it became valid law in Vatican state. It is not true - a holy lie - that there is no legal divorce in Vatican. It only seems so because most of the citizens there are virgins or presumed to be. But for the handful of married people in Vatican, divorce is a legal option.

In 2008, the Vatican declared that they won't automatically adopt Italian laws. It is an unusual move because the Vatican does not have a Parliament so nobody knows how it would manage democratic legislation (assuming they know that approach). Also, Italy is claiming that the Vatican violates the treaty by making this action. If the treaty loses its power, then the Vatican territory reverts back to Italy, huhuhuh.

At any rate, the Vatican is only saying that only new laws from 2008 onwards will be vetted by the Vatican. This clearly means that the italian divorce law remains valid in Vatican.

[Bigot3AtBalbas]

Propaganda lang po iyan

[sophion]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annulme...ds_for_Nullity

Catholic Grounds for nullity include:

• Force or grave fear imposed on a person to obtain their consent (canon 1103)
• The consent was based on a condition or reservation (canon 1102)
• No intention, when marrying, to contract a lifelong relationship (simulation of consent) (canon 1101§2)
• The intention, when marrying, never to have children (canon 1101§2)
• A serious lack of the discretion at consent concerning the essential matrimonial rights and obligations to be given (canon 1095 n.2)
• Psychological incapacity at consent to fulfill the essential obligations of marriage (canon 1095 n.3)

take note of lines#3,4 &5. Anyone can say those things!
kaya pala very corrupt ang catholic annulment. so much that only the rich could afford it!

eh kasi naman po gawa gawa lang iyan ng mga lalake at baklang mga pari na wala namang alam sa kasal!

[stifbend]

Another example of the Catholic church sticking their noses and sticky fingers into the lives of many. I've always felt this as an issue against housewives, who suffer the most when they can't leave their philandering husbands (this is just a generalization on my part, so don't send me hate mail) legally, which in this case is only through an expensive and lengthy annulment in the Philippines. Meantime, they just have to bear the pain and swallow their pride.

I hate you! What is your email address so I can send my hate to you????

[matangkahoy]

sure it's eatit@gmail.com

[admiral__cidric]

Good you are not a Catholic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annulme...ds_for_Nullity

Catholic Grounds for nullity include:

• Force or grave fear imposed on a person to obtain their consent (canon 1103)
• The consent was based on a condition or reservation (canon 1102)
• No intention, when marrying, to contract a lifelong relationship (simulation of consent) (canon 1101§2)
• The intention, when marrying, never to have children (canon 1101§2)
• A serious lack of the discretion at consent concerning the essential matrimonial rights and obligations to be given (canon 1095 n.2)
• Psychological incapacity at consent to fulfill the essential obligations of marriage (canon 1095 n.3)

take note of lines#3,4 &5. Anyone can say those things!
kaya pala very corrupt ang catholic annulment. so much that only the rich could afford it!

eh kasi naman po gawa gawa lang iyan ng mga lalake at baklang mga pari na wala namang alam sa kasal!

[tonton]

The Philippines is one of the few places in the world - alongside the Vatican and Malta - where divorce is still prohibited.

Annulments are currently too expensive for anyone but the rich to contemplate.

First, couples have to prove that their marriage licence is not valid or that one person is, in legal terms at least, psychologically incapacitated.

It is an expensive procedure, and Congressman Neri Colmenares says the system discriminates against those who cannot afford to hire lawyers and psychiatrists.

He wants the bill to be simplified, so that anyone who can prove their partner has been violent, abandoned the family home or is guilty of infidelity is automatically assumed to have a form of "psychological incapacity".

Mr Colmenares is from a minority party, and he is likely to face a tough challenge, not just from opponents in Congress but also the powerful Catholic Church.

But whether his bill succeeds or not, it highlights a glaring disparity - while poor people can be trapped for years in abusive marriages, it is not uncommon for the rich to have more than one marriage annulled.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12217090


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Steps and Procedure in Annulment and Declaration of Nullity of Marriage

1. Make sure it is the last resort.
2. Realize that it will cost you.
3. Discuss the custody of children, visitation rights, property arrangements and support.
4. Make sure to invoke a valid ground.

http://jlp-law.com/blog/steps-proced...y-of-marriage/

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aba eh parang divorce lang yan ah! except that only the rich can do it.

catholics say divorce is against the bible so they invented "annulment" which is practically the same thing! this is hyprocicy at its finest.

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Annulment is a legal procedure for declaring a marriage null and void.[1] Unlike divorce, it is usually retroactive, meaning that an annulled marriage is considered to be invalid from the beginning almost as if it had never taken place

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annulment

YEAH RIGHT! never taken place daw. sarili na lang lolokohin pa!

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MAY ANNULMENT BA SA BIBLE?

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Dear filipino catholics, why cant you be like the Catholics in Rome? They allow divorce in there!

Hehe.. sa annulment hindi puwedeng sabihing ex-wife. Sabihin mo lang, "I've never been married!"

[Ateo]

Hehe.. sa annulment hindi puwedeng sabihing ex-wife. Sabihin mo lang, "I've never been married!"

No need to laugh. It is legally correct. After annulment, the legal status is indeed Single, Never Married; it is not divorced or separated. If you want to, you can even claim that you are a virgin again.

Annulment is a legal fiction; it is a delusion that is so ludicrous only those deluded religious conservatives can appreciate. Like Koko Pimentel and Chiz Escudero. Ba't di na lang kasi sina Chiz Curls at Kokorokorokoko ang magkatuluyan para wala ng pakitang-tao?

[BALAKUBAK]

No need to laugh. It is legally correct. After annulment, the legal status is indeed Single, Never Married; it is not divorced or separated. If you want to, you can even claim that you are a virgin again.

Annulment is a legal fiction; it is a delusion that is so ludicrous only those deluded religious conservatives can appreciate. Like Koko Pimentel and Chiz Escudero. Ba't di na lang kasi sina Chiz Curls at Kokorokorokoko ang magkatuluyan para wala ng pakitang-tao?

That won't happen. Syota na yata ni Chiz si Heart Evangelista. Lucky son of a gun.

[tonton]

That won't happen. Syota na yata ni Chiz si Heart Evangelista. Lucky son of a gun.

Hindi nga??!!

[flyingVoter2]

my dad use to have an extra marital affair. my mom knows about this. but this was years ago. im happy my mom did not gave up on my dad and ngayon kumpleto pa rin kami and we are a happy family na. ngayon matanda na sila and still going strong. mabuti na lang hinde sila nag pa- annul at wala pang divorce nun. life back then was so hard and depressing. i was so thankful na mas strong na ang relationship ng family namin sa isat isa.

[flyingVoter2]

does anyone of you na willing magpadivorce sa mga asawa nila incase na magkaroon ng problem???

[tonton]

does anyone of you na willing magpadivorce sa mga asawa nila incase na magkaroon ng problem???

Ako po ayokong hiwalayan ang misis ko!!! Huwag po!!

[nwfirstranger]

my dad use to have an extra marital affair. my mom knows about this. but this was years ago. im happy my mom did not gave up on my dad and ngayon kumpleto pa rin kami and we are a happy family na. ngayon matanda na sila and still going strong. mabuti na lang hinde sila nag pa- annul at wala pang divorce nun. life back then was so hard and depressing. i was so thankful na mas strong na ang relationship ng family namin sa isat isa.

Well good for you. But the truth is, this isn't the case for everyone. Situations like these don't always have a happy ending.

[manubol_rama]

my dad use to have an extra marital affair. my mom knows about this. but this was years ago. im happy my mom did not gave up on my dad and ngayon kumpleto pa rin kami and we are a happy family na. ngayon matanda na sila and still going strong. mabuti na lang hinde sila nag pa- annul at wala pang divorce nun. life back then was so hard and depressing. i was so thankful na mas strong na ang relationship ng family namin sa isat isa.

women should just accept the fact that not one of them is good enough for a man, so says a friend of mine. now, i dont know about that. but your mom did the right thing. as long as there is no domestic violence involved, she should just accept your dad for what he is.

[Ateo]

@FlyingVoter

Your mom grew up in a culture that expects her to endure years of emotional pains, of rejection, of loneliness, of jealousy, of risk of STD, of mockery by people who know, of smirks by the other party, and of betrayal. Her reward is a recovered husband in old age when the passion is gone. Viagra and companionship are her rewards now.

If the situation were reversed and she was the one who got a boytoy, our culture also demands that your dad had to leave her immediately, to hell with old-age companionship. That is exactly what Chiz and Koko have done. Koko could not have the patience your saintly mom has in allowing his beauty-queen wife na magpuputa muna at hintayin na sa pagtanda nila ay sila pa rin at para masaya ang kanilang mga anak.

You see, you are a product of our culture that loaded all the dice in favor of men.

One's culture appears so natural until somebody points out the absurdity of it. A quick question would suffice: "what would you do if your wife now falls head-over-heels with that hunk next door, although she plans to go back being loyal to you in old age when she is already dried up just so the kids will be happy?" What would you do?

[tonton]

"what would you do if your wife now falls head-over-heels with that hunk next door, although she plans to go back being loyal to you in old age when she is already dried up just so the kids will be happy?" What would you do?

Forgive and forget both the hunk and the deeds of the wife and pray for them.

[Ateo]

Forgive and forget both the hunk and the deeds of the wife and pray for them.

Well, if you are gender-neutral in your views, then I accept them. But I am curious if Flying Voter's family would have turned out similarly if it was his mother -- not his father -- who had a lover when she was younger. I am curious to know.