Removal of prepaid load expiry date under study at NTC

[sjfr]

ang nakalagay sa likod ng 300 pesos na prepaid ay, upon first use, in 75 days dapat ma consume na ang amount na 300 pesos. so from 60 days dati, naging 75. almost three months.

[iceshiva]

Kaya nga po tinatanong ko kayo kung mayroon kayong alam na COURT RULING na nahatulang UNFAIR at ILLEGAL ang paglagay ng expiry date sa isang consumer product. Ano po ang basehan ninyo?

--sent from my HTC Cha Cha

come on, this is just common sense. you need a court ruling to determine what's wrong or right?

let me make it clear for you. binayaran mo na yung load. bakit mageexpire eh hindi naman yon napapanis? fair ba na i-artificially expire ang isang bagay na bayad na for no apparent reason other than 'nasa terms and conditions' ito? ay meron pa palang isang reason, kelangan mabawi ng kumpanya ang kanilang ROI by hook or by crook.

a peso for a single text is actually already overpriced considering that the maintenance expense does not scale with the amount of consumption. that's why they can afford unlimited text for a paltry sum. because no matter how many texts you send out, their maintenance expense remains fairly static.

so on top of overpricing their prepaid load, they still have the gall to artificially expire it even though you already paid for it and even though it does not cost them anything whether you use it one day from now or one year from now. i can sort of understand those that are okay with it just because they are used to it and have learned how to manage, but someone like you who actually went out of his way to rabidly defend the business practice seriously baffles me. you don't even know the numbers yourself and yet you went ahead and assumed that they must be doing it in good faith. if you really know business, you shouldn't be assuming good faith from big companies. unless business 101 lang inintindi mo...

[djaynitor]

^^Iyon pong gift voucher bayad na pero nag-eexpire din.

Iyon pong air tickets bayad na nag-eexpire din.

Iyong driver's license bayad na nag-eexpire din.

Iyong car registration bayad na nag-eexpire din.

Marami pong mga bagay na nag-eexpire kaya bakit ninyo sinasabing unfair at illegal na mag-expire ang pre-paid phone products?

--sent from my HTC Cha Cha

[Cutie_Chabelita]

Why is it different when bread expires after so many days after purchase? Or a gift voucher expires after twelve months?--sent from my HTC Cha Cha

Ngayon lang uli aketch natawa nang vongga.

[grim_reaper1814]

Correction po tatang,

wala pong expiry ang gift voucher sa pinas.

yung air tickets po mag eexpire kasi once mo lang gagamitin yun. saka ikaw mag seset kung kelan ka lilipad, hindi yung eroplano.

yung drivers license ay hindi po produkto. Oras po ang binabayaran niyo.
Ganun din sa car registration. Oras ang binabayaran dito.

Yung mga normal na produkto, kaya sila may expiry para na rin sa safety ng consumer.

Pwede pong ilaban yan na unjust enrichment kasi kumita yung telco pero wala naman silang pinrovide na serbisyo. Tsaka dahil ang gift voucher ay walang expiry, malamang ay matulad din dito ang prepaid load.

[djaynitor]

^^Puede mong ilaban, bakit hindi? Pero mananalo ba ang kaso? Wala pa akong nabalitaang nanalo sa pagtanggal ng expiry sa pre-paid products. Wika nga, unprecedented.

--sent from my HTC Cha Cha

[grim_reaper1814]

Unprecedented does not mean impossible. Kung precedent lang ang basis sa lahat eh di nasa stone age pa rin tayo. Kaya nga may mga landmark decision eh.

Isipin mo na lang, yung debit card mo mag eexpire ang contents.

[djaynitor]

^^FYI may expiry din ang debit card. Credit card ganoon din.

--sent from my HTC Cha Cha

[kuroihikari]

^^FYI may expiry din ang debit card. Credit card ganoon din.

--sent from my HTC Cha Cha

Oh come on. Yung expiration nun is only for the card. You get a new card on the same account generally automatically once it expires. You don't lose anything but a piece of plastic.

[Cutie_Chabelita]

Nakakalerqui naman itich. Pero seriously, naabutan ko pa iyong time na iyong binabayaran mo lang iyong mga calls lang. Yung text FREE feature lang siya noon. Oh well. Nothing more to say.

[djaynitor]

Oh come on. Yung expiration nun is only for the card. You get a new card on the same account generally automatically once it expires. You don't lose anything but a piece of plastic.

The contents of debit card is CURRENCY. The balance in pre-paid IS NOT.

--sent from my HTC Cha Cha

[iceshiva]

^^FYI may expiry din ang debit card. Credit card ganoon din.

--sent from my HTC Cha Cha

kuya naman palala na ng palala ang depensa mo. mula sa kelangan kumita ang kumpanya, tapos nadaan pa sa ang tinapay na nageexpire, ngayon naman naghanap ka pa ng ibang bagay na nageexpire na iba naman ang sitwasyon.

again let me break it down to you. may binayaran ka ba na nawala ng parang bula pagkaexpire ng credit card? at hindi ba nirereplace rin yun ng kumpanya at no charge? atsaka may rason yun kaya nageexpire. yung magnetic stripe sa likod nya nasisira so kelangan talaga nilang ireplace. so ayan, pag may tamang dahilan, maiintindihan ng consumer. eh sa prepaid load, anong excuse nila?

sige pa isip ka pa ng pwede mo i-dahilan. pero pagisipan mo na sana maigi wag lang yung bira ng bira, napaghahalatang wala na sa tamang hulog ang pagdedepensa mo sa globe at pldt eh.

[kuroihikari]

The contents of debit card is CURRENCY. The balance in pre-paid IS NOT.

--sent from my HTC Cha Cha

Thank you for realizing how bad a supporting argument "Debit and credit cards also expire" was .

Also, pre-paid loads practically works as currency nowadays, because you can transfer load and get almost-equivalent currency for it.

[djaynitor]

kuya naman palala na ng palala ang depensa mo. mula sa kelangan kumita ang kumpanya, tapos nadaan pa sa ang tinapay na nageexpire, ngayon naman naghanap ka pa ng ibang bagay na nageexpire na iba naman ang sitwasyon.again let me break it down to you. may binayaran ka ba na nawala ng parang bula pagkaexpire ng credit card? at hindi ba nirereplace rin yun ng kumpanya at no charge? atsaka may rason yun kaya nageexpire. yung magnetic stripe sa likod nya nasisira so kelangan talaga nilang ireplace. so ayan, pag may tamang dahilan, maiintindihan ng consumer. eh sa prepaid load, anong excuse nila?sige pa isip ka pa ng pwede mo i-dahilan. pero pagisipan mo na sana maigi wag lang yung bira ng bira, napaghahalatang wala na sa tamang hulog ang pagdedepensa mo sa globe at pldt eh.

'Pag hindi mo binayaran ang minimum payment sa credit card - SISIBAKIN ito ng credit card company. Iyong pre-paid card, kapag hindi ka nag-top-up/recharge/reload - MASISIBAK din.I

will be and always be PRO-BUSINESS because business brings jobs. Consumer rights are important, too, but I don't see expiration as unfair and illegal. It is part of the BUSINESS MODEL to make money. PROFIT IS GOOD.

--sent from my HTC Cha Cha

[marcus_hunt]

djaynitor reminds me of the card game lucky 9 - buta na humihirit pa.

[djaynitor]

Thank you for realizing how bad a supporting argument "Debit and credit cards also expire" was .

Why is it a bad argument? I'm merely pointing out that other products also have expiry dates.

Bottomline: every product has a different marketing model.

Also, pre-paid loads practically works as currency nowadays, because you can transfer load and get almost-equivalent currency for it.

Yeah? Have you tried buying at the supermarket and paying with your pre-paid balance?

--sent from my HTC Cha Cha

[djaynitor]

djaynitor reminds me of the card game lucky 9 - buta na humihirit pa.

Oo nga marami ritong hindi marunong mag-lucky 9, supalpal na ang argument na UNFAIR at ILLEGAL ang expiry date sa pre-paid, HIRIT PA RIN NANG HIRIT.

But hey, this is a public forum, anyone can post as they please within the forum rules. Opposing views is what makes a forum. Kung nagkakasundo tayong lahat, e di walang pag-uusapan.

--sent from my HTC Cha Cha

[Objection]

5th page na, umaarangkada parin yan mababahong ANALogy

[djaynitor]

Sa ibang bansa nag-eexpire din ang pre-paid load. Example:

Vodaphone Australia

$10 - 7 days
$30 - 28 days
$50 - 30 days
$70 - 30 days

Source: http://www.vodafone.com.au/personal/...s/prepaid-caps

Hindi papasa sa hukuman ang anumang legal action laban sa expiry date ng pre-paid.

Bottomline: Ayaw mo mag-expire, puwes, mag-POST PAID ka.

--sent from my HTC Cha Cha

[djaynitor]

Iyong gamit kong pre-paid 12 months ang expiry.

--sent from my HTC Cha Cha