S75 Game Discussion: NU vs UST - 07/28/2012 [UST won, Final Score 77-71]

[DougStiles]

I can see where you're coming from. Yes, looking at Coach Pido's win-loss record would be the more objective way to gauge his coaching performance. But we can also look at it on how he has steered the Tigers inside the final 4. I think since 2006, the Tigers didn't get in twice. Not bad either. Though I will admit the win-lose record is the better barometer.

I think you're reading too much to Coach Pido's press statements. I believe he exudes a different aura towards his coaching staff and wards. I won't pretend I know what is on his mind, because I really don't. Its just how I see it.

Another thing, you mentioned that in the last 2 games where the Tigers had to come from behind to win, it reflected on his coaching style. You made your assessment on his coaching during the 1st 3 quarters only. Basketball is a quartered game. Despite lagging behind in the initial 3 quarters, the Tigers managed to claw back and win it in the end. Does it mean that the Tigers (players) alone's talents snared the win? Doesn't it also mean that Coach Pido "coached" the Tigers to win it in the last few minutes? Doesn't it mean that coach Pido "outcoached" the other team's coach? With you abroad and me just a mere spectator, we cannot definitely know.

I do admit, though this is very early in the season and anything can still happen, if ever the Tigers snare the championship, it would seem unwise to change coach. Coach Pido may opt to leave and leave while on top (if the Tigers win it), but then again, going back, will there be another "better" coach out there who will take the job and just receive what Coach Pido is receiving for his services? If there are, then maybe well and good. But that is neither here nor there. For now, since he is the current coach, we will support him and the Tigers and their quest to get back the championship for Espana.

on this. Seems like he's dwelling too much on the past. I don't know if he also gave consideration to the marked improvement of the team in season 74? How about the better emphasis on defense and that nice run in the 2nd round of last season? Yes, I was also disappointed with those 3 straight losing seasons, but the only unacceptable one is that of season 71, especially with Jervy, Khasim, Dylan, Francis Allera, Japs, while Fortuna and Camus playing on their first year. Maybe too much of a star studded line-up? We'll never know. Season 73 is a different story though. Mirza and Ababou exhausted their playing eligibility and the scoring load depended too much on Teng and Fortuna, while Camus and Afuang are the only reliable players in the low post. In short, kulang talaga. Now that we have Karim, we improved in many aspects at hindi lang yun dahil sa players. You can't deny the fact na kasama rin coaching sa nag-improve.

[TigerInExile]

I think you're reading too much to Coach Pido's press statements. I believe he exudes a different aura towards his coaching staff and wards. I won't pretend I know what is on his mind, because I really don't. Its just how I see it.

Another thing, you mentioned that in the last 2 games where the Tigers had to come from behind to win, it reflected on his coaching style. You made your assessment on his coaching during the 1st 3 quarters only. Basketball is a quartered game. Despite lagging behind in the initial 3 quarters, the Tigers managed to claw back and win it in the end. Does it mean that the Tigers (players) alone's talents snared the win? Doesn't it also mean that Coach Pido "coached" the Tigers to win it in the last few minutes? Doesn't it mean that coach Pido "outcoached" the other team's coach? With you abroad and me just a mere spectator, we cannot definitely know.

I do admit, though this is very early in the season and anything can still happen, if ever the Tigers snare the championship, it would seem unwise to change coach. Coach Pido may opt to leave and leave while on top (if the Tigers win it), but then again, going back, will there be another "better" coach out there who will take the job and just receive what Coach Pido is receiving for his services? If there are, then maybe well and good. But that is neither here nor there. For now, since he is the current coach, we will support him and the Tigers and their quest to get back the championship for Espana.

Point(s) well taken.

You are correct that the 4th quarter comeback has something to do with with Coach Jarencio's coaching but do not discount the players. I just find it disturbing that he wouldn't acknowledge the efforts of his wards and even his own. He's almost setting no expectations by saying they got lucky (twice). Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled with the wins. We really should get the crown back to UST but his demeanor reads mediocrity and that's not good enough.

This is my personal belief: to be a champion, one must think and act like a champion. The coaches that come to mind are the likes of Franz Pumaren, Norman Black, Tim Cone and Phil Jackson. They can tell you what went wrong with the game or give credit when it's due with a win. I've been following his tenure since 2006, believing he will deliver more championships for the Tigers. Instead, we are left with those statistics I've mentioned above. Plus his lackadaisical approach with his players save for the momentary outbursts when they blow a big lead or lose games they should've won. And living and dying by the 3 point shots to name a few. These are my issues with Coach Jarencio. I don't expect you to share my sentiments.

However, you are also correct in saying that since he is the current coach, he should have our support. I wish the Tigers well.

The succeeding games will show us what he is capable of doing. See you folks in the DLSU vs UST thread.

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[DougStiles]

Point(s) well taken.

You are correct that the 4th quarter comeback has something to do with with Coach Jarencio's coaching but do not discount the players. I just find it disturbing that he wouldn't acknowledge the efforts of his wards and even his own. He's almost setting no expectations by saying they got lucky (twice). Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled with the wins. We really should get the crown back to UST but his demeanor reads mediocrity and that's not good enough.

This is my personal belief: to be a champion, one must think and act like a champion. The coaches that come to mind are the likes of Franz Pumaren, Norman Black, Tim Cone and Phil Jackson. They can tell you what went wrong with the game or give credit when it's due with a win. I've been following his tenure since 2006, believing he will deliver more championships for the Tigers. Instead, we are left with those statistics I've mentioned above. Plus his lackadaisical approach with his players save for the momentary outbursts when they blow a big lead or lose games they should've won. And living and dying by the 3 point shots to name a few. These are my issues with Coach Jarencio. I don't expect you to share my sentiments.

However, you are also correct in saying that since he is the current coach, he should have our support. I wish the Tigers well.

The succeeding games will show us what he is capable of doing. See you folks in the DLSU vs UST thread.

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I hope you read more news articles about the Growling Tigers. He mentioned that Fortuna is one of the top point guards, if not the best, in the UAAP. In the game against ADMU, he credited Mariano for his break out game, and even said that he can be the next Dylan Ababou, it's just up to Aljon how he'll continue with that kind of game he displayed. And against NU, he praised Teng for his consistency and should be a deserving MVP candidate if he continues to play like that.

[gooseberry]

So most people's POV about Coach Pido remained from last year. I have the same inkling as well.

[roundtablepizza]

i am not really a huge fan of the tigers (because i have my own team to support) but i am starting to become a believer.

if you will be able to read between the lines, the "chamba" comment by pido shouldn't be taken seriously. why?

i agree with voltaire_mad, pido is the biggest believer of the growling tiger. no one else. otherwise, he should've stepped down already way before the season starts. i even doubt he will work his arse up with this team if he doesn't believe them.

pido was even quoted that this is the team that he wants. pido believed that this team is already ripe for the picking.

hint: norman black is too good and too smart of a coach. norman black himself said it all months before the season starts. wala lang masyadong kumagat.

so why do you think pido kept on telling their wins are flukes? for me, it's more of an attempt to mock those who underestimated his team before the season starts. his comments were actually addressed to those who think they're not going to make it. not even in the final four.

pido is trying to take you for a ride. if you bite it, took everything he said literally and seriously, you're definitely in trouble. you can already wish them goodluck on their quest for the gold.

as for nu having a talented roster, yes, i completely agree. but read: nu is wasting those talents (emphasis on the "s") by relying too much on parks and mbe.

what are you guys doing with the likes of neypes, khobuntin, singh, labing-isa and celda. why are these players warming the bench when these could play substantial minutes with the other teams?

like i said, if they continue to rely only on parks and mbe alone. nu can kiss their season 75 championship dream goodbye.

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I can see where you're coming from. Yes, looking at Coach Pido's win-loss record would be the more objective way to gauge his coaching performance. But we can also look at it on how he has steered the Tigers inside the final 4. I think since 2006, the Tigers didn't get in twice. Not bad either. Though I will admit the win-lose record is the better barometer.

I think you're reading too much to Coach Pido's press statements. I believe he exudes a different aura towards his coaching staff and wards. I won't pretend I know what is on his mind, because I really don't. Its just how I see it.

Another thing, you mentioned that in the last 2 games where the Tigers had to come from behind to win, it reflected on his coaching style. You made your assessment on his coaching during the 1st 3 quarters only. Basketball is a quartered game. Despite lagging behind in the initial 3 quarters, the Tigers managed to claw back and win it in the end. Does it mean that the Tigers (players) alone's talents snared the win? Doesn't it also mean that Coach Pido "coached" the Tigers to win it in the last few minutes? Doesn't it mean that coach Pido "outcoached" the other team's coach? With you abroad and me just a mere spectator, we cannot definitely know.

I do admit, though this is very early in the season and anything can still happen, if ever the Tigers snare the championship, it would seem unwise to change coach. Coach Pido may opt to leave and leave while on top (if the Tigers win it), but then again, going back, will there be another "better" coach out there who will take the job and just receive what Coach Pido is receiving for his services? If there are, then maybe well and good. But that is neither here nor there. For now, since he is the current coach, we will support him and the Tigers and their quest to get back the championship for Espana.

numbers don't lie but they also don't tell you everything.

losing records? ahh...yes. it was the coach's faults alone.

well that's basketball. when you win, credit goes to the players. when you lose, coach takes all the blame.

thomasians still unsatisfied of come-from-behind victories? notwithstanding those are against teams oozing with firepower.

i would understand if it is up or ue (no offense but these teams are really weak this season - just being realistic) but hey, those were against ateneo (reigning uaap champion) and nu (reiging fil-oil champion).

in case, you guys missed it. both of them are reigning champions.

actually ust is in an enviable position in the standings having defeated both of these teams. to other uaap teams, going up against these teams would be an almost if not instant loss.

i'd take whatever type of victory against these teams as long as it was fair and square - regardless whether in a dominating fashion, come-from-behind and even fluke (yes fluke! it was still a victory).



may i nominate jerry codinera? tonichi yturri might not accept the meager salary if offered the job.

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+1. Ngayon ko lang nabasa itong mga ito and this is exactly what I was talking about previously regarding the "chamba" issue.

It's so unfortunate that some people just don't understand where coach Pido's coming from. Pag inexplain sa kanila, iba na agad ng dating mo.