God vs Technology

[sophion]

The Lord was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron.
Judges 1:19


haaaay iron chariots lang pala babara kay lord! oh my god!



God: 0
Technology: 1



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The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”
Genesis 11:6

naku mukhang threatened si lord! oh my god!



God: 0
Technology: 2
World peace: -1

[PgUp]

After making several posts and starting new threads, can you enlighten us what you stand for, Sophion? Are you atheist? Catholic? Buddhist? Communist whack (religion of Mao)? Environmentalist hack (religion of false science)?

You have been sending a lot of conflicting signals so perhaps we ought to understand the motivation that drives you to open up several topics of discussion simultaneously.

[tonton]

Yep. The all-powerfull god threatened by man's unity.

[sophion]

After making several posts and starting new threads, can you enlighten us what you stand for, Sophion? Are you atheist? Catholic? Buddhist? Communist whack (religion of Mao)? Environmentalist hack (religion of false science)?

You have been sending a lot of conflicting signals so perhaps we ought to understand the motivation that drives you to open up several topics of discussion simultaneously.

I am an agnostic theist who finds enjoyment in pointing out the absurdities, contradictions & oddities in today's major cults and religions. but i'm also fair enough to give credit where credit is due, even praising a religion's positive attributes from time to time. i also love science.

so.........

i'm RoT's wildcard

[PgUp]

Don't you feel a bit short of the bloated impression of yourself?

Are you schooled sophion? Have you read literature enough to finish a book before judging it? I mean the most read books like Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter are more absurd but the learned tolerate such writings and do not make fun of them. Communication is like that and stories or tales make for a lesson which allows learning. Your attitude does not reflect the claims about yourself when you dissect and fragment ideas of a story and then complain how ridiculous the standalone bits and pieces sound. You say you are scientific but you fail to be thorough and demanding.

Moses wrote the first five books of Scriptures. Why did he write it down in the first place? What was his purpose?

Wasn't the purpose of written Scriptures to serve as record of the failure and problems or lack of idea as to what had happened? People are after all educated by poor experiences by learning from mistakes. Students can wizen up by avoiding the same pitfall or not repeating these mistakes. Did Moses not die in the desert as a consequence of that failure? Wasn't the mission of Jesus about showing men "the Way" which was far different from Moses' solution?

In science, experiments are documented to provide a record of an effort. Sometimes people get to succeed where others fail because the procedure or "the way" the experiment was conducted is defective or there were flawed assumptions. Thus, keeping a record of both success and failure can save us a lot of future effort, which can be invested on different activities instead. Had Moses been successful, there won't be an Old Testament or a need for Jesus to come and his disciples to create a record of their experiences into a New Testament.


This show of ignorance and lack of study skills is another add-on to the shameful Third World quality of PEx posts.

I am an agnostic theist who finds enjoyment in pointing out the absurdities, contradictions & oddities in today's major cults and religions. but i'm also fair enough to give credit where credit is due, even praising a religion's positive attributes from time to time. i also love science.

so.........

i'm RoT's wildcard

[stewiegriffin201]

After making several posts and starting new threads, can you enlighten us what you stand for, Sophion? Are you atheist? Catholic? Buddhist? Communist whack (religion of Mao)? Environmentalist hack (religion of false science)?

You have been sending a lot of conflicting signals so perhaps we ought to understand the motivation that drives you to open up several topics of discussion simultaneously.

I've been to most forums for years and I'm already quite acquainted with such replies. We need to understand them because most of them were psychologically traumatized by certain religious persons when they were young. The forum serves as a therapy for them to cope by the traumatic experience. What you can do is to either reply to help them or you can read and move on to another thread. You can spot a traumatized person by their incessant dedication to start a thread and attack the source of their problem repeatedly, daily, weekly, and even non stop. If they can't attack the person who abused them, they attack what the person stands for.

We have to understand that not all people whom we interact in the internet are normal.

Just my 2 cents.

[sophion]

Don't you feel a bit short of the bloated impression of yourself?

Are you schooled sophion? Have you read literature enough to finish a book before judging it? I mean the most read books like Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter are more absurd but the learned tolerate such writings and do not make fun of them. Communication is like that and stories or tales make for a lesson which allows learning. Your attitude does not reflect the claims about yourself when you dissect and fragment ideas of a story and then complain how ridiculous the standalone bits and pieces sound. You say you are scientific but you fail to be thorough and demanding.

because their authors did not claim they were real. nobody believes theyre real.
and nobody gets oppressed because of these books.

Moses wrote the first five books of Scriptures. Why did he write it down in the first place? What was his purpose?

Wasn't the purpose of written Scriptures to serve as record of the failure and problems or lack of idea as to what had happened? People are after all educated by poor experiences by learning from mistakes. Students can wizen up by avoiding the same pitfall or not repeating these mistakes. Did Moses not die in the desert as a consequence of that failure? Wasn't the mission of Jesus about showing men "the Way" which was far different from Moses' solution?

In science, experiments are documented to provide a record of an effort. Sometimes people get to succeed where others fail because the procedure or "the way" the experiment was conducted is defective or there were flawed assumptions. Thus, keeping a record of both success and failure can save us a lot of future effort, which can be invested on different activities instead. Had Moses been successful, there won't be an Old Testament or a need for Jesus to come and his disciples to create a record of their experiences into a New Testament.

This show of ignorance and lack of study skills is another add-on to the shameful Third World quality of PEx posts.

um, can you please explain how the stories of babel and iron chariots have to do with our future? whats the point in those? and whats that got to do with us?

BABEL:
whats wrong with world peace?
whats wrong with international cooperation?

IRON CHARIOT?
duh.....

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correction:
* according to mainline theologians the torah was written by at least 4 people over hundres of years. and moses probably wasnt even one of them.

[sophion]

We have to understand that not all people whom we interact in the internet are normal.

you got that one right!
so i wonder if you are.

[PgUp]

Got it.

You mean they are ABNORMAL and really ought to be confined to a psychiatric ward for treatment.

So you would tolerate a handful of these abnormal and mentally damaged individuals to setup a squatter colony of sorts on this forum? What about the normal or logical person? How can they freely express their opinions without being harassed by the corner-street toughie which these misfits have become" The PEx forum would deteriorate into a slum-like condition owned and controlled by gangsters and misfits who cannot blend with mainstream society.

Such passive attitude would make the PEx Forum facility project a false image that Filipinos are basically moronic and lacking in basic education.

I've been to most forums for years and I'm already quite acquainted with such replies. We need to understand them because most of them were psychologically traumatized by certain religious persons when they were young. The forum serves as a therapy for them to cope by the traumatic experience. What you can do is to either reply to help them or you can read and move on to another thread. You can spot a traumatized person by their incessant dedication to start a thread and attack the source of their problem repeatedly, daily, weekly, and even non stop. If they can't attack the person who abused them, they attack what the person stands for.

We have to understand that not all people whom we interact in the internet are normal.

Just my 2 cents.

[stewiegriffin201]

Got it.

You mean they are ABNORMAL and really ought to be confined to a psychiatric ward for treatment.

So you would tolerate a handful of these abnormal and mentally damaged individuals to setup a squatter colony of sorts on this forum? What about the normal or logical person? How can they freely express their opinions without being harassed by the corner-street toughie which these misfits have become" The PEx forum would deteriorate into a slum-like condition owned and controlled by gangsters and misfits who cannot blend with mainstream society.

Such passive attitude would make the PEx Forum facility project a false image that Filipinos are basically moronic and lacking in basic education.

Like all forums I've been to, I can assure you this thread topic has been posted again and again. Its a cycle. Its the same pattern. In another forum I've been to, the mods had been warning the person to stop starting the same topic over and over again until they completely ban him. It has become disruptive to the forum.

If you can handle them, then, you've been advised. You would only waste your time because after a month or so, they will start the same topic again with another alternic and another cycle follows.

You can ask sophion personally whether he has been traumatized. I can assure he will answer you positively.

[sophion]

I can assure you this thread topic has been posted again and again.

nah.
try googling "god technology genesis iron chariots", or just "god vs technology". see how many forum threads like this you get?

ZERO

sophion: 1
stewie: 0

[Waffen_SS]

nah.
try googling "god technology genesis iron chariots", or just "god vs technology". see how many forum threads like this you get?

ZERO

sophion: 1
stewie: 0

OWNED!!!

[superlucky20]

because their authors did not claim they were real. nobody believes theyre real.
and nobody gets oppressed because of these books.



um, can you please explain how the stories of babel and iron chariots have to do with our future? whats the point in those? and whats that got to do with us?

BABEL:
whats wrong with world peace?
whats wrong with international cooperation?

IRON CHARIOT?
duh.....

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correction:
* according to mainline theologians the torah was written by at least 4 people over hundres of years. and moses probably wasnt even one of them.

That's the problem with treating fiction as non-fiction: reality is sacrificed for consistency.

[tonton]

Moses wrote the first five books of Scriptures.

Deuteronomy 34:7
And Moses was a hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.

Moses wrote Deuteronomy from the grave maybe.

[PgUp]

Frankly, I really do not give credence to such tear jerking stories. Everyone would have his highs and lows and Christianity is all about overcoming these traumas with God's help rather than creating a mountain from a mole hill. His story cannot be worse than the passion of Christ where an innocent person was condemned by the same crowd who gave him a grand entrance to the city the weekend before.

So what you are saying is that he is not Christian period. He fails to understand the value of suffering the way Disciples of Christ do. Rather he uses or treats suffering as license for vengeance. He got more in common with crude Old Testament stories that Muslims and Jews adhere to, which is an eye for an eye kind of justice.

Thanks for your honest/objective answer to my initial question about who this TS character. So this forum would likely to join the countless other forums that became stale and irrelevant as the squatter colony sucks away resources of space and time that people would just have to avoid.

During WW2, there was deliberate expression of the same tear jerking stories that the NAZI uses to justify their crimes. Of course they did to others a thousand times more than what they suffered. When the war ended however, it was discovered that the tear jerking stories were crafted. Yes, widespread suffering happened in Germany but what was not obvious was the suffering were premeditated by the group of Germans who decided to prepare for WW2 as soon as they lost WW1. So, what they got later on was solid proof at the manner Christian values were exploited and used against the goodwill of people.

You can ask sophion personally whether he has been traumatized. I can assure he will answer you positively.

[Ateo]

I am an agnostic theist who finds enjoyment in pointing out the absurdities, contradictions & oddities in today's major cults and religions. but i'm also fair enough to give credit where credit is due, even praising a religion's positive attributes from time to time. i also love science.

so.........

i'm RoT's wildcard

And which theism you are leaning into or has sympathies for or, perhaps, came from?

[Ateo]

Deuteronomy 34:7
And Moses was a hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.

Moses wrote Deuteronomy from the grave maybe.

Or he prophesied his death and wrote on it in advance.

The alternative is worse - because it is what Muslims accuse us of - that our Bible books were written by authors unknown.

[sophion]

And which theism you are leaning into or has sympathies for or, perhaps, came from?

i'll answer that in the "why i'm agnostic thread".

[sophion]

Frankly, I really do not give credence to such tear jerking stories.

You can ask sophion personally whether he has been traumatized. I can assure he will answer you positively.

trauma my foot.

christians are soooooooooooo good at making up stories and believing its true!

[tonton]

Well xtians, what lesson can be learned from the Babel story?

1. Tall buildings are haram?
2. Unity is haram?
3. God's secrets can be seen if you climb tall buildings?
4. It is haram to make a name for yourself?
5. God is the real author of confusion?

Exegesis:

Genesis 11:1-9
The Tower of Babel - Story Summary:

Up until this point in the Bible, the whole world had one language - one common speech for all people. The people of the earth became skilled in construction and decided to build a city with a tower that would reach to heaven. By building the tower they wanted to make a name for themselves and also prevent their city from being scattered.

God came to see their city and the tower they were building. He perceived their intentions, and in His infinite wisdom, He knew this "stairway to heaven" would only lead the people away from God. He noted the powerful force within their unity of purpose. As a result, God confused their language, causing them to speak different languages so they would not understand each other. By doing this, God thwarted their plans. He also scattered the people of the city all over the face of the earth.

Points of Interest from the Story:

• When God speaks in this story, He uses the phrase, "let us go," referencing the trinity.
• Some scholars believe that this marks the point in history where God divided the earth into separate continents.
• God says in Genesis 11:6, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them." (NIV) God realizes that when people are unified in purpose they can accomplish impossible feats, both noble and ignoble. This is why unity in the body of Christ is so important.
• To build, the people used brick instead of stone and tar instead of mortar. They used "man-made" materials, instead of more durable "God-made" materials. The people were building a monument to themselves, to call attention to their own abilities and achievements, instead of giving glory to God.

Question for Reflection:

Are there any "towers" you are building in your life?

http://christianity.about.com/od/bib...werofbabel.htm

Overcome your "towers", sophion.