Apostates in Islam should be Killed?

[banimalek]

sus! dumadami ang ISLAM... pero kita nyo dumadami din ang karahasan sa ISLAM world.

Bakit hindi kaba naniniwala na dumadami ang Islam, nasaan kaba para masaksihan mo ang pagyakap nila sa Islam...iyong mga karahasan na nagaganap ay gawa lang po iyan ng deviant people hindi po ng Islam

ay mali! kasama nga pala ang karahasan at pagkabarbaro kapag ilalarawan natin kung anu ang ISLAM

Kung titingnan mo ang karahasan ng ilang mananampalataya ay hindi mo nga makikita ang tunay na aral sa Islam

(HULA KO: "mga paninira at propaganda lang yan -bentot and banimalek )

sana mali ang hula ko. sana tanggapin nilang parte ng ISLAM ang pagtapak sa karapatang mabuhay at pumili ng paniniwalaan nagbubunga ng karahasan at pagkasadlak sa mga barbarong kaisipan.

Malinaw naman ang aral namin sa Islam at nakabasi po iyan sa Quran at sunnah ng propheta, kaya nga hinahamon namin kayo na maglatag mula dito.

Kayo nga hindi ninyo matanggap ang nasa OT kasi nandoon ang pagpatay sa tumalikod sa pananampalataya kaya ang ginamit ninyo iyong nasa NT

[SmartDessa]

to the TS

if this is true, then they should definitely kill the crown prince of Kuwait

http://www.tldm.org/News17/KuwaitiRo...ristianity.htm

[-alucard-]

huwag na nga.

AH! AH! AH! AH! AH!

[totben331]

Brother Totben pabayaan mo na sila diyan kasi pilit nilang ginagawang alibay ang apostate pero nakikita naman natin ang dami parin yumayakap sa Islam sapagkat alam nila sa kabila ng propaganda nila patuloy parin namamayani ang Islam

tumpak bro

[talinomo]

Nagbigay na ako ng link tungkol sa censorship sa saudi db! Kahit dito sa news na ito http://www.jpost.com/Features/InThes...aspx?id=257520 ang liwanag ng nakalagay "Cases are not always publicly reported", so hindi ko na problema kung hindi ka makuntento sa mga binibigay kong ebidensiya.

Pero nasa batas nga nila yan. Ano ang gagawin pag may nahuling apostate sa saudi? Natural susundin ang batas nila hindi yung kuro-kuro ni bentot at banimalek!

Walang gamot ang k@tangahan bentot!

Propaganda lang yan galing sa anti Islam website reply ng isang taong subjective lol

[talinomo]

Oh eto pa bentot basa

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/as...0041993en.html


Furthermore apostasy in Saudi Arabia carries the death penalty.

Oh eto isang kaso

On 3 September 1992 Sadiq 'Abdul-Karim Malallah was publicly beheaded in al-Qatif in Saudi Arabia's Eastern Province after being convicted of apostasy and blasphemy.

Propaganda lang po ulit to. LOLOLOL
Kala ko walang ganito
Sinungaling pala sila banimalek at bentot eh tsk tsk.
Same ito nung sa Malaysia.

[talinomo]

let me guess, ang susunod na palusot diyan ay batas ng saudi yan (as a state) hindi ng islam.

paumanhin, katotong tlg kung nabigyan ko ng ideya. sympathetic na tao kasi ako. baka mag-sabbatical bigla yan. tayo pa may kasalanan. mawawalan tayo ng kausap at kakampi si boy kapos.

AH! AH! AH! AH! AH!

wala daw sa sharia law yan. Teka ano bang law ang gamit sa saudi? diba sharia LOLOLOL

In denial lang ang mga katulad ni banimalek at ni bentot.

[banimalek]

naghihimutok na si talino sige chat lang muna kayo ng mga ka-tropa mo

[-alucard-]

nabasa ko ito sa kabilang thread. hingi lang ako kung pwede mag-shed kayo ng light kasi ang dating sa aking nito ay parang nagco-corroborate ng assertion ng thread strater.

Book 52: Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad)

Hadith 260 (Volume 4)

Narrated Ikrima:

Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

is this passage a direct commandment or perhaps taken out of context?

AH! AH! AH! AH! AH!

[totben331]

nabasa ko ito sa kabilang thread. hingi lang ako kung pwede mag-shed kayo ng light kasi ang dating sa aking nito ay parang nagco-corroborate ng assertion ng thread strater.



is this passage a direct commandment or perhaps taken out of context?

AH! AH! AH! AH! AH!

I HOPE YOU WILL READ THIS WITH UNDERSTANDING:

There is a widely prevailing misconception about this issue. It is generally thought that the Holy Quran (The Muslims Holy Scripture) provides the death sentence for those who desert the religion of Islam. There is not the least ground for such a supposition. The Holy Quran speaks repeatedly of people going back to unbelief after believing, but never once does it say that they should be killed or punished. Although the Holy Quran does provide the death sentence for some situations such as putting a murderer to death, but it never provided death sentence or ordered the death of those who leave Islam.

Let us examine some Quran verses on this issue.

Noble Verse 2:217 "They ask thee (Mohammed) Concerning fighting In the Prohibited Month. Say: Fighting therein Is a grave (offence); but graver is it In the sight of Allah to prevent access to the path of Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the sacred Mosque, and drive out its members. Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you turn back from their faith (Islam) and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the hereafter; they will be companions of the fire and will abide therein."

Here in this Holy Verse we see that Allah Almighty talks about those who leave Islam, and promises them punishment in the day of judgment. Allah Almighty doesn't order the death of those people.

Noble Verse 5:54 "O ye who believe! If any from among you turn back from his faith, soon will Allah produce a people whom He (Allah) will love as they will love Him lowly with the believers, Mighty against the rejecters, fighting in the way of Allah, and never afraid of the reproachers of such as find fault. That is the Grace of Allah which He will bestow on whom He (Allah) pleaseth. And Allah encompasseth all, and He knoweth all things."

Here in this Holy Verse we see again Allah Almighty strengthening the faith of the Muslims in Islam by assuring them that whenever they see Muslims leaving Islam they will also see those who join Islam with strong faith and love to Allah Almighty.

In Verse 5:54 above there is a warning to the Muslims that they should not repeat the history of the Jews, and become so self-satisfied or arrogant as to depart from the spirit of Allah's teaching. If they do, the loss will be their own. Allah's bounty is not confined to one group or section of humanity. He can always raise up people who will follow the true spirit of Islam.

Noble Verse 5:55 "(O Muslims) Your (real) friends are (No less than) Allah, His Messenger, and the (Fellowship Of) Believers, those who establish regular prayers and regular charity, and they bow down humbly (in worship)."

Here we see Allah Almighty telling Muslims after he warned them from apostates in (5:54) that their real friends are: Allah Almighty, Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him, and the good Muslims who keep up with their prayers and charity, and who humbly worship their God.

Noble Verse 3:90 "But those who reject faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of faith never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have (of set purpose) gone astray."

Here in this holy verse we see Allah Almighty rejecting the faith of those who keep coming back and forth to Islam. In order for a human being to accept Islam as his religion, he must be certain about it first. Allah Almighty's path is wide open, and his mercy is greater than this universe. This Holy Verse also does not order the death of those who leave Islam.

The path to Allah Almighty is always open and Allah Almighty will be your friend as in verse (5:55) above, and he will forgive your sins for you once you repent as in the following verse:

"Except for those that repent (Even) after that, And make amends; for Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful." (3:89).
Noble Verses 15:2-3 "Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them)."

Noble Verse 18:29 "Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it): for the wrong doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the walls and roof of a tent, will hem them in: if they implore relief they will be granted water like melted brass, that will scald their faces, how dreadful the drink! How uncomfortable a couch to recline on!"

Let us look at Noble Verse 2:256 "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things."

The Holy Quran prohibits Muslims to force any person into Islam. Muslims must not let people resent Islam and Muslims. They must leave people decide for themselves because the "Truth stands out clear from error"
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As we've seen above, it is quite clear, and beyond any questioning that Allah Almighty prohibited compulsion in religion and allowed the absolute freedom of religion to everyone. When Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him executed apostates, he did it because Muslims were at war time and because Islam was still partial, and Muslims needed protection from the hypocrites of the Jews and Christians who purposely entered Islam and deserted it later to create confusion among the Muslims as shown below in the Noble Verse:

"A section of the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) say: Believe in the morning what is revealed to the believers (Muslims), but reject it at the end of the day; perchance they may (themselves) turn back (from Islam). (The Noble Quran, 3:72)"

Some Jews and Christians wanted to take advantage of such situation to destroy Islam. They had a plan to adopt Islam first and then desert it, thus creating the impression that Islam was not a religion worth adopting.

To protect Islam from such Satanic attempts done by a group of the people of the book (Jews and Christians), Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him ordered the death of those who enter Islam and leave it.

This temporary law that was put by our Prophet had stopped the hypocrites from the People of the Book who carried so much hatred toward Islam to enter Islam and desert it afterwards.

The Sayings of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, regarding killing the renegades and apostates came when Islam was partial and the Muslims were dealing with wars all the time. So if the person wasn't with the Muslims, then he was certainly with his people, the pagans and the other non-Muslims, and he would've then had to join the evil forces to fight the Muslims.

So the case back then was different than today.

[TLG]

Mismung prinsipe nga ng kuwait alam na pinapatay yung mga tumatalikod sa islam, si bentut lang at bani ang hndi matanggap yun!

[totben331]

Mismung prinsipe nga ng kuwait alam na pinapatay yung mga tumatalikod sa islam, si bentut lang at bani ang hndi matanggap yun!

halatang di mo binasa ang post ko

[TLG]

halatang di mo binasa ang post ko

Yang post mo na copy paste eh halatanfg justification na kesyo wala daw death penalty sa mga apostate sa islam..pero halata naman na sa saudi at ilang islamic country meron...in denial lang kayo!

[banimalek]

Mismung prinsipe nga ng kuwait alam na pinapatay yung mga tumatalikod sa islam, si bentut lang at bani ang hndi matanggap yun!

Saan mo naman kasi nabasa ang post namin na walang apostate sa Sharia Law na pinatutupad, pero ang isyu dito ay pagtalikod lang ba ang dahilan

Kaya nga naghahanap kami sa iyo ng katibayan na mayroon na bang nahatulan kaso puro ka lang alibay na kesyo censor

[banimalek]

Bakit kaya ayaw magbasa ni TLG dito sa post ni brother totben

I HOPE YOU WILL READ THIS WITH UNDERSTANDING:

There is a widely prevailing misconception about this issue. It is generally thought that the Holy Quran (The Muslims Holy Scripture) provides the death sentence for those who desert the religion of Islam. There is not the least ground for such a supposition. The Holy Quran speaks repeatedly of people going back to unbelief after believing, but never once does it say that they should be killed or punished. Although the Holy Quran does provide the death sentence for some situations such as putting a murderer to death, but it never provided death sentence or ordered the death of those who leave Islam.

Let us examine some Quran verses on this issue.

Noble Verse 2:217 "They ask thee (Mohammed) Concerning fighting In the Prohibited Month. Say: Fighting therein Is a grave (offence); but graver is it In the sight of Allah to prevent access to the path of Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the sacred Mosque, and drive out its members. Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you turn back from their faith (Islam) and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the hereafter; they will be companions of the fire and will abide therein."

Here in this Holy Verse we see that Allah Almighty talks about those who leave Islam, and promises them punishment in the day of judgment. Allah Almighty doesn't order the death of those people.

Noble Verse 5:54 "O ye who believe! If any from among you turn back from his faith, soon will Allah produce a people whom He (Allah) will love as they will love Him lowly with the believers, Mighty against the rejecters, fighting in the way of Allah, and never afraid of the reproachers of such as find fault. That is the Grace of Allah which He will bestow on whom He (Allah) pleaseth. And Allah encompasseth all, and He knoweth all things."

Here in this Holy Verse we see again Allah Almighty strengthening the faith of the Muslims in Islam by assuring them that whenever they see Muslims leaving Islam they will also see those who join Islam with strong faith and love to Allah Almighty.

In Verse 5:54 above there is a warning to the Muslims that they should not repeat the history of the Jews, and become so self-satisfied or arrogant as to depart from the spirit of Allah's teaching. If they do, the loss will be their own. Allah's bounty is not confined to one group or section of humanity. He can always raise up people who will follow the true spirit of Islam.

Noble Verse 5:55 "(O Muslims) Your (real) friends are (No less than) Allah, His Messenger, and the (Fellowship Of) Believers, those who establish regular prayers and regular charity, and they bow down humbly (in worship)."

Here we see Allah Almighty telling Muslims after he warned them from apostates in (5:54) that their real friends are: Allah Almighty, Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him, and the good Muslims who keep up with their prayers and charity, and who humbly worship their God.

Noble Verse 3:90 "But those who reject faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of faith never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have (of set purpose) gone astray."

Here in this holy verse we see Allah Almighty rejecting the faith of those who keep coming back and forth to Islam. In order for a human being to accept Islam as his religion, he must be certain about it first. Allah Almighty's path is wide open, and his mercy is greater than this universe. This Holy Verse also does not order the death of those who leave Islam.

The path to Allah Almighty is always open and Allah Almighty will be your friend as in verse (5:55) above, and he will forgive your sins for you once you repent as in the following verse:

"Except for those that repent (Even) after that, And make amends; for Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful." (3:89).
Noble Verses 15:2-3 "Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them)."

Noble Verse 18:29 "Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it): for the wrong doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the walls and roof of a tent, will hem them in: if they implore relief they will be granted water like melted brass, that will scald their faces, how dreadful the drink! How uncomfortable a couch to recline on!"

Let us look at Noble Verse 2:256 "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things."

The Holy Quran prohibits Muslims to force any person into Islam. Muslims must not let people resent Islam and Muslims. They must leave people decide for themselves because the "Truth stands out clear from error"
=========

As we've seen above, it is quite clear, and beyond any questioning that Allah Almighty prohibited compulsion in religion and allowed the absolute freedom of religion to everyone. When Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him executed apostates, he did it because Muslims were at war time and because Islam was still partial, and Muslims needed protection from the hypocrites of the Jews and Christians who purposely entered Islam and deserted it later to create confusion among the Muslims as shown below in the Noble Verse:

"A section of the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) say: Believe in the morning what is revealed to the believers (Muslims), but reject it at the end of the day; perchance they may (themselves) turn back (from Islam). (The Noble Quran, 3:72)"

Some Jews and Christians wanted to take advantage of such situation to destroy Islam. They had a plan to adopt Islam first and then desert it, thus creating the impression that Islam was not a religion worth adopting.

To protect Islam from such Satanic attempts done by a group of the people of the book (Jews and Christians), Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him ordered the death of those who enter Islam and leave it.

This temporary law that was put by our Prophet had stopped the hypocrites from the People of the Book who carried so much hatred toward Islam to enter Islam and desert it afterwards.

The Sayings of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, regarding killing the renegades and apostates came when Islam was partial and the Muslims were dealing with wars all the time. So if the person wasn't with the Muslims, then he was certainly with his people, the pagans and the other non-Muslims, and he would've then had to join the evil forces to fight the Muslims.

So the case back then was different than today.

[TLG]

Saan mo naman kasi nabasa ang post namin na walang apostate sa Sharia Law na pinatutupad, pero ang isyu dito ay pagtalikod lang ba ang dahilan

LOLZ... ang isyu sa thread na ito ay hindi lang basta pagtalikod, kundi pinapatay yung mga tumatalikod!

Kaya nga naghahanap kami sa iyo ng katibayan na mayroon na bang nahatulan kaso puro ka lang alibay na kesyo censor

May pinakita na akong isang kaso sa saudi ah! Hndi ka ba nagbabasa?

Bakit kaya ayaw magbasa ni TLG dito sa post ni brother totben

Suge bigay mo sa akin yung summary!

[totben331]

LOLZ... ang isyu sa thread na ito ay hindi lang basta pagtalikod, kundi pinapatay yung mga tumatalikod!




May pinakita na akong isang kaso sa saudi ah! Hndi ka ba nagbabasa?




Suge bigay mo sa akin yung summary!

hindi ka nga nagbasa.

tapos sasabihin nyo hindi kami sumasagot

[talinomo]

Bulag lang si bentot at si banimalek may napakita si TLG kaya totoo na PATAYIN ang apostates.

[TLG]

hindi ka nga nagbasa.

tapos sasabihin nyo hindi kami sumasagot

Kahit di ko binasa yang pagka-haba habang copy paste mo sabihin mo kung mali itong response ko na ito

Yang post mo na copy paste eh halatanfg justification na kesyo wala daw death penalty sa mga apostate sa islam..pero halata naman na sa saudi at ilang islamic country meron...in denial lang kayo!

Kung mali yan, sabihin mo na lang ha!

[totben331]

Kahit di ko binasa yang pagka-haba habang copy paste mo sabihin mo kung mali itong response ko na ito





Kung mali yan, sabihin mo na lang ha!

basahin mo muna para mas ok