The Dear UP Admin Thread

[reshiram]

Makikisawsaw lang po sa usapan niyo, kasi curious lang talaga ako. Bakit IM ang nagooffer ng Calculus subjects ng Eng'g at Econ/Business related courses? Ang alam ko po kasi ang mga universities dito sa amin at sa ibang universities sa ibang parts ng Pilipinas ang nagtuturo ng Differential at Integral Calculus, Diff. Equations, Stat, etc. ay mga engineers mismo.
bakit sa UP system, ba't parang math dept./institute lagi ang nagtuturo nito?

In fact, sabi sa akin nung close friend ko na ME student sa isang university, pati college algebra at plane and spherical trigo nila, engineer ang nagtuturo.

Saan ba mas efficient ang pagtuturo?

[reshiram]

Umamin ka. Naka-photoshop ang picture mo no?

malamang. pero brightness at color lang naman ang inadjust at some few spots na rin. haha..

[curiouser]

^They will if it was a major subject. Some major subjects are held in the room of the faculty member, especially if its just less than 5. And yes it was indeed conducted by instructors and professors from IM, but rooms were no longer available at IM so we got farmed out to nearby buildings. Even our instructor was reluctant to take on the class as he was already overloaded (UP is still a public institution, unlike the private corporate world where you can fix any shortage by just buying more office space or hiring more staff).

By low you mean its a Math series/GE Math subject? Math 1, 11, 14, 17, 53-55, 100? Other than those, special/high level Math subject yan. A low suffix number is not an indication of a low-level Math subject FYI. There are esoteric Math subjects in between Math 11 and 17.

Well, in the example I mentioned, Accounting I is offered for a full class of about 30 students in other units (not just NCPAG, I might add), so there's no sense in UP CBA not offering that class on account of having a small class size. I don't know if the practice you mentioned is still valid given the current CRS world, but see, my point is not about overloading at all. There are teachers for these subjects. We know that. It's just that they are housed by the departments of the students, and not the departments where these subjects are (normally) offered.

Ganito na lang kasi, yung kilala ko, kinuha niya yung math niya imbes sa department niya, dun na mismo sa IM, kahit na inooffer na siya sa department nila. Ang rason? Kasi, wala siyang confidence na kayang ituro ng instructors sa department nila nang mabuti ang math subject na yun.

Makikisawsaw lang po sa usapan niyo, kasi curious lang talaga ako. Bakit IM ang nagooffer ng Calculus subjects ng Eng'g at Econ/Business related courses? Ang alam ko po kasi ang mga universities dito sa amin at sa ibang universities sa ibang parts ng pilipinas na ang nagtuturo ng Differential at Integral Calculus, Diff. Equations, Stat ay mga engineers mismo.
bakit sa UP system, ba't parang math dept./institute lagi ang nagtuturo nito?

In fact, sabi sa akin nung close friend ko na ME student sa isang university, pati college algebra at plane and spherical trigo nila, engineer ang nagtuturo.

Saan ba mas efficient ang pagtuturo?

I think that mathematics should be the purview of the Institute of Mathematics. One can even argue na dapat Educ major in Math pa yan eh. Sure, Engineers are (sometimes) good mathematicians. You may use math in engineering, yes, but you can't be considered a "specialist" when it comes to math. My view is that, as an Engineer, your main focus/concern should be on the discipline of Engineering you are specializing in, and not in Mathematics.

That's why I think Math professionals can do a similar job of teaching, if not better, simply because they specialize in Mathematics.

[curiouser]

Let's assume for a minute that kelunji's point about overloading is an issue. That does not, in any way, invalidate my earlier point. Aren't colleges communicating their enlistment surveys to other departments that offer subjects for their students so that helps them with class planning? It's about coordination and collaboration. Ultimately, one should not be treating workarounds as permanent solutions.

I daresay, the root cause of all this might just as well be inter-unit politics.

[TTJ]

Makikisawsaw lang po sa usapan niyo, kasi curious lang talaga ako. Bakit IM ang nagooffer ng Calculus subjects ng Eng'g at Econ/Business related courses? Ang alam ko po kasi ang mga universities dito sa amin at sa ibang universities sa ibang parts ng Pilipinas ang nagtuturo ng Differential at Integral Calculus, Diff. Equations, Stat, etc. ay mga engineers mismo.
bakit sa UP system, ba't parang math dept./institute lagi ang nagtuturo nito?

In fact, sabi sa akin nung close friend ko na ME student sa isang university, pati college algebra at plane and spherical trigo nila, engineer ang nagtuturo.

Saan ba mas efficient ang pagtuturo?

you're intending to pursue a degree in Mathematics.siguro naman,may enough respect ka sa field na yan para maisip na mas magandang mga may degrees in mathematics ang dapat magturo ng math subjects. kung sa ibang schools,nagagawa nilang pagturuin mga engineers nila,usually dahil sa hindi kaya ng mga maliliit na math departments nilang turuan lahat ng science,engineering,economics and business majors.

[kelunji]

Let's assume for a minute that kelunji's point about overloading is an issue. That does not, in any way, invalidate my earlier point. Aren't colleges communicating their enlistment surveys to other departments that offer subjects for their students so that helps them with class planning? It's about coordination and collaboration. Ultimately, one should not be treating workarounds as permanent solutions.

I daresay, the root cause of all this might just as well be inter-unit politics.

No politics involved, just too much students and not enough teachers, rooms/facilities. Even with the advent of CRS you still got students lining up for pre-rogs outside classroms and faculty rooms.

[reshiram]

you're intending to pursue a degree in Mathematics.siguro naman,may enough respect ka sa field na yan para maisip na mas magandang mga may degrees in mathematics ang dapat magturo ng math subjects. kung sa ibang schools,nagagawa nilang pagturuin mga engineers nila,usually dahil sa hindi kaya ng mga maliliit na math departments nilang turuan lahat ng science,engineering,economics and business majors.

TTJ, napansin ko lang, bakit parang, sinusubaybayan mo ang mga posts ko palagi? haha.. anyway, yes, you're right. sguro, sila ang mga pinapaturo para yung ituturo nila, more on application na sa field nila. Kaya siguro sa ibang schools ang calculus subjects ay differential at integral hindi mathematical or elementary analysis, kasi afaik, calculus is basically applied analysis while analysis naman focuses on the rigorous theories behind calculus. ewan ko lang kung bakit ganun ang course title ng math 53 at 63 ay analysis at calculus, respectively. Dapat siguro 53 should be calculus then 63 will be the analysis, kaso mathematical analysis na hndi na elementary, kasi sa UPLB, ADMU, DLSU, lahat ng calculus courses nila for math majors ay mathematical analysis ang course title.

[huntfan01]

Makikisawsaw lang po sa usapan niyo, kasi curious lang talaga ako. Bakit IM ang nagooffer ng Calculus subjects ng Eng'g at Econ/Business related courses? Ang alam ko po kasi ang mga universities dito sa amin at sa ibang universities sa ibang parts ng Pilipinas ang nagtuturo ng Differential at Integral Calculus, Diff. Equations, Stat, etc. ay mga engineers mismo.
bakit sa UP system, ba't parang math dept./institute lagi ang nagtuturo nito?

In fact, sabi sa akin nung close friend ko na ME student sa isang university, pati college algebra at plane and spherical trigo nila, engineer ang nagtuturo.

Saan ba mas efficient ang pagtuturo?

IM has one of the largest personnel in UPD. So obviously mas efficient kung sila ang mago-offer nito. Besides, foundation mathematics lang naman ang kinukuha ng karamihan ng Engineering students sa IM.

[TTJ]

TTJ, napansin ko lang, bakit parang, sinusubaybayan mo ang mga posts ko palagi? haha.

sinusubaybayan?ano ka,teleserye? kung naging teleserye ka,di kita papanoorin.

anyway, yes, you're right. sguro, sila ang mga pinapaturo para yung ituturo nila, more on application na sa field nila.

kung ii-introduce ang concept ng derivative,for example,na ginagawa sa math 53,mas maganda kung math professors/instructors ang gagawa nyan. gagamit sila ng simple examples kung saan applicable ang rate of change. di sila required ituro ang application ng derivatives sa engineering,for example,pero sometimes,may mga optional exercises sa likod ng text na ganun,with a brief introduction dun sa engineering topic.pero again,optional lang yun at para lang sa mga overly motivated. mas focused sila sa pagkakaintindi mo ng concept na yun para matutunan mo ang ibang math topics na ituturo sa yo later in the semester.mas maganda na engineer ang mag introduce ng engineering topic.kaya nga pre-requisite ng engg courses ang math courses eh kasi kelangang matibay yung math background,bago ituro sa yo yung more complex na engineering topic.

Kaya siguro sa ibang schools ang calculus subjects ay differential at integral hindi mathematical or elementary analysis, kasi afaik, calculus is basically applied analysis while analysis naman focuses on the rigorous theories behind calculus. ewan ko lang kung bakit ganun ang course title ng math 53 at 63 ay analysis at calculus, respectively. Dapat siguro 53 should be calculus then 63 will be the analysis, kaso mathematical analysis na hndi na elementary, kasi sa UPLB, ADMU, DLSU, lahat ng calculus courses nila for math majors ay mathematical analysis ang course title

huwag kang magtaka sa mga kaibahang napapansin mo sa UPD,porke nakikita mong pare-pareho ang mga ito sa ibang schools.course titles lang ang mga yan. bakit di ka na lang mag-educ major in math? tapos mag masters/phd ka ng math education.magspecialize ka sa curriculum development.

[jielun]

This is a good thread. Curie is the ts, so Im not surprised.

1. A prof with a math degree has a deeper understanding of math concepts - may background siya on both the practical and abstract aspects. Opinion ko lang to and I can be wrong about this: an engineer may have the tendency to look at a math course as a "collection of formulas and mechanical techniques" and that one only needs to find the appropriate technique for a given problem.

Gusto ko lang i-discuss ang paraan ng paggamit ng mga resources ng pamantasan:

2. Pansin ko lang mejo maraming mga faucets, waterlines, etc na napapabayaan. Yung gripo sa harap ng NISMED antagal nang napapabayaan, I believe hanggang ngayon tumatagas pa rin. Some urinals and toilets in IM, AS and other buildings have perpetually flowing flushes, imagine mo na lang kung ilang galong tubig ang nasasayang sa isang araw. Hindi ko alam kung sinasadya ba ito ng mga janitors para dumali ang trabaho nila. Yung mga sprinklers sa Econ at MSI pansin ko madalas pinapabayaan lang na nasa isang spot. Ang swerte naman ng mga damo dun.

3. Dahil madalas ay gabi ako umuuwi ay nakasaksi na rin ako ng mga kababalaghan sa mga construction sites sa campus. May nakita ako ng mga naglalagay ng buhangin at graba sa harap ng NIP, nilagay sa bayong at isinakay sa motorcycle. May mga taga-KNL din na nagnanakaw ng mga buhangin malapit sa fence near IMath. Yung construction worker mismo ang nag-aabot ng buhangin na nilagay sa sako over the fence.

4. About the perimeter fence bandang IM - that whole stretch from the gate papuntang CS to Katipunan. Pansin ko lang yung naunang design ay mukhang irregular blocks so that no two post looks the same. It looked neat and cool - pero nagbago yata ang isip ng architect at nagdecide siya na gawing plain na lang yung mga poste, i.e., the posts had to be redone, thus consuming more materials, worker hours, etc. Andaling magremodel na para lang hindi pera ng mga taxpayers ang ginamit e.

In sum, mukhang hindi maganda ang pagkakamanage sa mga resources ng UP. Sana nababantayan din ang mga ganito. May mga departments kasi na grabe mag-aksaya na parang hindi gipit ang unibersidad. Anyway, I'll do my part by writing an anonymous letter to Pascual.

[TTJ__]

Dear UP admin,

Ano yung nabalitaan kong walang kapera-pera ang UP Volleyball Team at nanghihingi ng donasyon sa alumni?

[curiouser]

^Nabasa ko rin yan. Sad.

Kaya bilib ka rin sa mga sports teams pa rin ng Peyups. Kahit alang pera, mataas ang fighting spirit.

[curiouser]

Dear UP Admin,

Revisit the STFAP Rebracketting Process ASAP.

[magenstrasse]

dear UP admin



madelubyo sana kayo. hmp!

[curiouser]

Okay. Now that the emotions have peaked, let's kickstart discussions on constructive suggestions on how to improve the current situation with students' access to a UP education.

My thoughts:

1 - Evaluate the STFAP bracket assignments process.
As per the STFAP website: http://stfap.up.edu.ph/stfaponline/p...ne%2F#brackets

The STFAP brackets are primarily based on the annual family income and have corresponding fees or benefits.

Bracket Annual Family Income Fees / Benefits
A More than P1,000,000 Full tuition, miscellaneous, lab fees
B P500,001 to P1,000,000 Base tuition fee, full miscellaneous & lab fees
C P250,001 to P500,000 40% discount base tuition, full miscellaneous & lab fees
D P135,001 to P250,000 70% discount base tuition, full miscellaneous & lab fees
E1 P80,001 to 135,000 Free tuition, miscellaneous & lab fees
E2 P80,000 or less Free tuition, miscellaneous, & lab fees plus stipend
The standard stipend is currently pegged at P12,000 per semester.

If assignment is based solely on income, one can actually see that there may be an issue. One hopes that family size, position in the family, and other similar factors are indeed considered, but just not explicitly mentioned to curb abuse. Otherwise, these should be considered.

2 - Advanced Bracket Assessment.
From an admissions perspective, earlier assignment means enhanced decision making for applicants. If they know how much they would need to spend for UP, they would know whether their finances are okay, or if they need scholarships, or need to consider other options entirely.

Maybe the UPCAT application itself should include an element of the income bracketing already - and this can be done online AND manually (like the current STFAP process), and hopefully, with MINIMAL impact to the already tedious admissions process. If not, they should really revisit this process altogether with departments like CS and IE/OR to give inputs. Then, when the results come out, they can provide an indicative (unconfirmed) bracket assignment to passers, and give students more time to contest these, as well as the admin more time to really assess each individual case.

3 - Seek out More Alumni Assistance
Easier said than done, but I think most if not all UP alumni would be willing to shell out something - whether big or small, to help out students in need. They can then pool this into a fund that can be used to increase the subsidy for students who still require assistance, assuming that the STFAP fails to plug all the gaps. I know the priorities are also in key projects such as eUP and the Master Development Plan, but, these require significant financial resources. A small contributory fund, which grows, should be good enough for any amount of donation. Additionally, these should be earmarked specifically for student enrollment assistance.

[osipmandelstam]

^^ The problem with B though is WHERE TO START?

I may be from another UP constituent unit but I'm willing to shell out extra just to help, at least annually from my salary. Walang online resources...

Usong uso itong mga ganito sa US wherein the Alumni generously give back to their alma mater, some even extravagantly (naming Harvard et al.)

[curiouser]

^^ The problem with B though is WHERE TO START?

I may be from another UP constituent unit but I'm willing to shell out extra just to help, at least annually from my salary. Walang online resources...

Usong uso itong mga ganito sa US wherein the Alumni generously give back to their alma mater, some even extravagantly (naming Harvard et al.)

Hi there, I found out about the "Adopt a Student" initiative earlier: http://www.upd.edu.ph/adopt.htm

[osipmandelstam]

^^ May kamahalan yung grant ng kaunti... Sana man lang at least yung magpool ng pera yung alumni for emergency purposes...

[curiouser]

^^ May kamahalan yung grant ng kaunti... Sana man lang at least yung magpool ng pera yung alumni for emergency purposes...

Actually, wala namang pumipigil sa alumni to pool together resources.

Nakasulat naman sa page na, "You may choose to give the entire amount or you may donate any amount that will go to a pool." Siguro, pwede niyo na rin itanong kung available ito outside of Diliman, in case may gusto kayong tulungan from a different campus.