Nokia on verge of collapse, bankruptcy or take-over

[Valorian]

^ayoko naman na mawala ang name na "Nokia" pag Samsung ang bumili sa kanila, if ever..siguro mala-Sony Erricsson sana, pero parang ang panget pakinggan tsaka mahaba yung pangalan "Nokia-Samsung", "Samsung-Nokia"

ano kaya ang meron kay Elop at hindi siya maalis sa Nokia?

[swellbong]

Nokia's strategy since Feb last year is to bet on where they can win, and thats in their IP portfolio eg Nokia Browser. They are still investing heavily into it. I think medyo far-fetched pa rin ang idea ng bankruptcy, though it's possible since theyre getting a steady revenue stream from these IP royalties.

Then sabi nila the would "broaden" the price range of their WPs to capture those low to moderate income consumers. They just dont want to compete head-on with Android.

Let's see how far their strategy goes. By the way, their Q2 report would be on July 19. This would be interesting.

Ngayon ko lang nabasa somewhere naovertake na pala ng Samsung ang Apple sa sales. And BlackBerry is poised to overtake Nokia naman sa third place.

[antena]

Nokia's strategy since Feb last year is to bet on where they can win, and thats in their IP portfolio eg Nokia Browser. They are still investing heavily into it. I think medyo far-fetched pa rin ang idea ng bankruptcy, though it's possible since theyre getting a steady revenue stream from these IP royalties.

it will be very rare to find a wall street and financial analyst who is not saying nokia is on the brink of bankruptcy. practically all are saying nokia is very close to bankruptcy or a take over due to the very low valuation of nokia at wall street.

nokia is not in the business of getting royalties to its patents/IP but they are in the business of selling phones and cellphones and some cellphone services/ if these don't sell, it's revenues from royalties will not save the company. in fact when microsoft announce it will launch windows phone.8. nomura reduced its revenue forecast for nokia by a whopping 41% and iots stock price plummeted by 17%. that just shows cellphones is nokia's main business/

but nokia's patents which are many and probably the most among the phone makers is practically the only asset of value in nokia. a prospective buyer of nokia will be buying the patents as it's cellphone business has been valued at zero (no value) by wall street.

Then sabi nila the would "broaden" the price range of their WPs to capture those low to moderate income consumers. They just dont want to compete head-on with Android.

Let's see how far their strategy goes. By the way, their Q2 report would be on July 19. This would be interesting.

Ngayon ko lang nabasa somewhere naovertake na pala ng Samsung ang Apple sa sales. And BlackBerry is poised to overtake Nokia naman sa third place.

nokia ceo elop has already indicated that nokia's 2qtr 2012 will be bad, that it will be worst than originally forecasted. that can mean lumia has failed to deliver and it might have a worst loss than 1qtr which was at $1.4B.

with just on these things, it already says nokia is fast running into bankruptcy.

[antena]

Please don't start talking about options when you can't even understand simple long and short positions in stocks.

again. iho - long and short belong to "options trading". most specially the term "short". lmao continuing with your being a poser? lol

ikaw yung hindi nakakaintindi.

What was said about stocks applies to options just as well. NOK puts will be cheaper than AAPL puts (if you don't believe then go check it yourself, not that there's any chance of you being able to figure that out...)

no it does not.

first of all as i said and as you understood it correctly, options trsding is primarily concerned about price drops/increases, not the absolute value of the stock. the latter is stock trading. the example you gave was about stock trading, not options trading. lmao

If a stock or option is cheaper then you will be able to deal in MORE shares or contracts for the same investment. Profit/loss potential is always a matter of percentage price movements rather than the nominal price of a stock or option.

you are wrong, no it is not.

options trading is all about price differences while stock trading is about relative percentage growth in stock price from the buy in position to the sell in position.

you need to get into your brain that there is a difference in stock trading and options trading. you confuse the two and you don't understand anything about options trading is.

It's incredible how ignorant you are that you can't even grasp basic arithmetic. THE AVERAGE 12-YEAR OLD WOULD BE ABLE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.


you must have the intelligence level of a 12 year old then becuase you still refuse to understand and accept the difference between stock trading and options trading.


I'll add the quote below to the countless ones discovered by others that immortalize your stupidity:

why would you short a stock that is just worth $2? you gain $1 when it falls to $1? lol. $1 is just like cents in stock trading. i'm not into penny stock trading and gainmg cents or even a $ in profits is worth the time and the stock broker commission.

you short stocks that have at least double digit prices. better yet stocks like AAPL which is worth $570 where drops or gains are on the range of $7 to $15 from 5 minute trades to 1 day.

Your ignorance and stupidity are exasperating. Please go visit your doctor and get a prescription for a stupid pill.

i explained that, scroll up. this is the explanation:

i suggest you read more investopedia to understand what it is. it's one of the best websites for these things.

this type of stock trading is all about spreads - amount of money that drops or increases, less of absolute price of the stock.

i am over simplifying the example just so you get the gist of it. i am also not in finance but having been in marketing and doing stocks for sometime, i have a workable understanding of it. i also don't do options trading.

lets say you short NOK which is at $2. you say it will drop to $1. so you buy the $1 option.

compare that to AAPL which is at $570. just so the comparison is clearer, just like in nokia, you say it will drop to $569 (its a stupid assumption but let's use that for the example), so you buy the $1 option.

how long will it take NOK to drop by $1? or drop of 50%? dropping by 50% is a serious thing. that does not happen often and easily. it is a 50% drop!

for AAPL however, it is extremely easy for it to drop by $1 given the high price of $570. that drop can happen withn minutes of trading. that means you make your money in minutes.

not only that because AAPL is at $570, it can drop not just by $1, but it can drop by $5 or even $20 - $65 (or $100 or $400!!!) because on occasions AAPLl has dropped that much.

if you bought $1 option and the price drops by $5 and you cash in, you made 5 times in profit!

again, i have over-simplified the example and parts of it are not real but the example will make you understand the idea behind this type of stock investment and why iit does not make sense to short NOK which has a low price.

i'm not even sure if NOK is traded in the options market. lmao. not all stocks are traded there. and i don't want to waste time to find out if it is. lol. i am sure AAPL is traded in the options market though.

this is way out of topic here. so just keep reading investopedia to understand it. or ask a real stock broker who trades in the US about it. there are also books on it available at amazon.

in the meantime, july will be a killer for nokia. they will need to divulge their financials on the 2qtr of 2012 and it will be ugly. that will push nokia to bankruptcy even more or a further drop in stock price and that makes nokia an easy take over target for its extremely cheap price.

your problem and being pwned here started with posting this but not really understanding what "shorting" means:

^ Put your money where our mouth is. Let us know when you're short NOK or have bought puts on it.

Otherwise you're just flapping your lips in the wind.

NOK:US is at 2.19 today...

You obviously have no idea what a SHORT position is.

Don't let your lips hit your face on the way back.

you brought up thee concept of "short" in stock investment. you used the word without really understanding what it is.

you defined "shorting" incorrectly. what you were describing was stock trading, it is not option trading where "shorting" a stock is done.

Good grief. YOU ARE TOO STUPID FOR WORDS. You can't even do basic arithmetic.

If you have $1140 then you can buy 2 shares of AAPL at $570 and make only $30 if AAPL drops by $15.

If you used the same $1140 to buy 570 shares of NOK at $2 each and it falls down to $1, then what would your gain be... ?

Let's see if you can figure that out, 'coz I don't think you can.

You really are the equivalent of the village idiot.

you probably googled the term "short" and when you found the meaning opf it used it here without fully understanding what it really is and how it operates/ you think when a stock drops in price, that is already "shorting" it.

iho, shorting is done only in options trading, not stock trading. lmao

ipagpilit mo pa nang lalo kang pwned dito. lesson learned for you - do not use terms you google here without really knowing what it means.

[antena]

looking for on who to blame on this nokia mess, i nominate the following:

1. the nokia CEOs before elop who chose to ignore the iphone when it launched. when the iphone was launched, samsung, lg and htc responded by developing their own but nokia stayed with whatever they had then. when the iphone took over the market samsung, lg and htc eventually was able to catch up with the iphone but nokia didn't have anything. this drove 1 nail into the coffin of noika.

2. elop for choosing to go with windows phone rather than the android. perhaps he did that because he used to work for microsoft before being appointed ceo of nokia. nokia's stocks plunged on the day nokia announced the partnership with microsoft. this drove 2 nails into the coffin of nokia.

3. microsoft for announcing windows phone 8 and saying phones using windows phone 7+ will not be able to download windows phone 8. this effectively pushed lumia into obsolescence. as a result nomura forecasted a 41% drop in sales for nokia. this is driving the last nail into the coffin of nokia.

one may argue the last point is not totally microsoft's fault as in the end it was really elop who decided to use windows phone rather than android. also, elop should have been told by microsoft that it will launch windows phone 8 within the year that lumia will be launched.

[hethler]

I move that the nomination be closed...

[nomuno]

I move that the nomination be closed...

I second the motion.

[hethler]

I second the motion.

Shocks OT tayo!!!

Technology Today este Finance Thread nga pala ito

[Eddie_Manzano]

Technology Today este Finance Thread nga pala ito

No, you are both wrong.

This is the Antenna Forum, where everything is all about her.

[Coderboi]

again. iho - long and short belong to "options trading". most specially the term "short".

NOPE. Shorting definitely applies to stocks. Shorting is just selling a stock now(*) and (hoping to) buy it back later at a lower price. Like I said, don't start talking about options if you don't understand stocks.

Anyway, there's no point in continuing your clown show. What I said originally was that if you're going to claim that Nokia is going bankrupt you should put your money where your mouth is and invest accordingly.

Since you can't even figure out the basics of trading in stocks (much less options), there's no chance of that happening any time soon. Therefore, all your speculation about Nokia going-bankrupt-this-or-that is just flapping your lips in the wind.





(*)you have to somehow borrow it, but this is taken care of by your brokerage automatically

[Eddie_Manzano]

What??? She couldn't have possibly been wrong! Just look at all those big words she's been using.

[ein]

I couldn't believe I missed the most pathetic thing in this thread:

antenna patting her own back!

and she has been absolutley right about what is happening to nokia.

the posts made on the nokia thread about an impending bankruptcy of nokia has been made some months ago and true enough financial analysts are saying now that nokia is at risk of being bankrupt.

tama siya!

Honestly, tell me if you can't picture antenna doing this to herself all the time:

[Coderboi]

What??? She couldn't have possibly been wrong! Just look at all those big words she's been using.

She has to use big words ...to cover up the tiny brain.

[Coderboi]

Honestly, tell me if you can't picture antenna doing this to herself all the time:

This is the image that comes to my mind when I read antena's posts:

[hethler]

Reviving this thread...

Wala pa atang ma-copy/paste from Google

[swellbong]

^Miss mo na siya? Ayiee lol

Lapit na earnings report ng Nokia, exactly 2 weeks from now.

[hethler]

^ Naman! Sabi nga ni Coderboi, ganito ko siya ka-miss

[FileHost4]

again. iho - long and short belong to "options trading". most specially the term "short". lmao continuing with your being a poser? lol

NOPE. Shorting definitely applies to stocks. Shorting is just selling a stock now(*) and (hoping to) buy it back later at a lower price. Like I said, don't start talking about options if you don't understand stocks.

Anyway, there's no point in continuing your clown show. What I said originally was that if you're going to claim that Nokia is going bankrupt you should put your money where your mouth is and invest accordingly.

Since you can't even figure out the basics of trading in stocks (much less options), there's no chance of that happening any time soon. Therefore, all your speculation about Nokia going-bankrupt-this-or-that is just flapping your lips in the wind.





(*)you have to somehow borrow it, but this is taken care of by your brokerage automatically

^ pinahiya mo naman ng husto si antena bro.

di na yun mag po post dito. hehehe..

[antena]

^ pinahiya mo naman ng husto si antena bro.

di na yun mag po post dito. hehehe..

you also know options trading? stock trading? and shorting?

sige explain mo. lol

[antena]

back to the topic - i think elop should be fired by the board and in fact the whole board should also resign their posts.