A Singaporean’s observation of Filipinos

[Singularity]

You can do that for every nationality to be honest concerning specific people.

Not sure what was the point you were trying to make.

That's exactly my point.

[manubol_rama]

when i visited singapore last year, my friend who's working there warned me never to utter the word mabaho in front of the "indianos" (singapore citizens with indian blood) because they know the word mabaho.why would he even think that i would say that aloud was beyond me. then, it just hit me that a lot of filipino workers in singapore are like that- mischievous, imp-like creatures. they'll make fun of almost anything.

[marcus_hunt]

If Pinoys don't behave in the places the go to, then expect contempt from the locals. It's no more different from us expecting foreigners to behave in this country.

The last time I was in SG there was a group of Pinoy badings (in their late 20s) who were talking, joking and laughing loud inside the MTR. Their behavior really came across as boorish and as we say in Pilipino, "maharot". They were impervious to the stern glances and stares of the other passengers and just kept at it.

Konting urbanidad naman!

Gawain din ng singaporean youth yan: maingay na usapan, nakikipag-usap sa phone ng sobrang lakas, malakas na pagkanta ng naka-earphone. Kahit nga mga matatandang Singaporeans bwisit sa habit na yan.

Everyone has their share of bad apples.

[shooter_mcgavin]

That's exactly my point.

And now were in an endless loop. Oh well just like PLDT's customer service ... LOL!

when i visited singapore last year, my friend who's working there warned me never to utter the word mabaho in front of the "indianos" (singapore citizens with indian blood) because they know the word mabaho.why would he even think that i would say that aloud was beyond me. then, it just hit me that a lot of filipino workers in singapore are like that- mischievous, imp-like creatures. they'll make fun of almost anything.

Likewise in Malaysia. I have friends that work their and Filipinos were warned not to use Filipino to conceal what they say since many Malaysian Co-Workers would hear and google what it means. Lesson, if the aim is to insult people and using your local tongue to conceal it, you will get caught.

[Aizrith]

well.. gusto mong mdaming visit sa website or blog mo? gawa ka nang ganitong article. Papansin lang yan

[andresbonifacio2]

This is nothing but flame bait.

I agree.

Who needs foreigners when Filipinos are the most expert in criticizing Filipinos. And I love Singapore!

[andresbonifacio2]

You can do that for every nationality to be honest concerning specific people.

Not sure what was the point you were trying to make.

Wow, it really amazes me when people like shooter_mcgavin plays the part of an expert lecturer to Filipinos in stopping us from criticizing other nationals; or stopping us from defending ourselves from external criticism.

I always accept criticism especially from foreigners (I admit we have many problems) but not from people like shooter_mcgavin. He has been exposed as always so eager in putting forth disparaging and condescending remarks against Filipinos. Not to forget your questionable moral compass in suggesting economic measures against poor Africans.

[shooter_mcgavin]

Wow, it really amazes me when people like shooter_mcgavin plays the part of an expert lecturer to Filipinos in stopping us from criticizing other nationals; or stopping us from defending ourselves from external criticism.

Either you love me or are trolling me. If you turn things around you can also say why would people also like to defend their country but at the same time criticize other nationalities. Because really that's what is also happening.

I guess using my quote you wanted to stress that out. If you check where that came from, it's I assumed the person said he/she wanted to retaliate by giving negative comments about Singapore and Singaporeans (Sorry if I misinterpreted that but that's how I read it).

So for me I didn't get what the point was. I am not saying "stop defending your country from criticisms" but don't do it by criticizing another one.

Generally, though my problem with some/many (I don't have a sample set) who defend the country from these "criticisms" is that they do it in a personal way. It's like their ego was hurt or something like that.

That video about "20 things I hate about the Philippines" is an example. For me I was neutral about it or didn't take too seriously, heck I even call him a coward for apologizing. But the way many acted its like they wanted his head. But it's things like that is what I find strange.

I always accept criticism especially from foreigners (I admit we have many problems) but not from people like shooter_mcgavin.

What did I say that hasn't been said already. Really, if you are going to single me out kindly tell me why. Oh wait you didn't I'm your example

And why you would accept criticisms from a foreigner and not some who is a Filipino? Yeah know the one that lives here and sees all those problems around.

Not to forget your questionable moral compass in suggesting economic measures against poor Africans.

What?

[drhenry4]

It's from a stupid blogger who wanted to be famous. Ayaw paiwan na mas magaling mag english ang average Pinoy kesa sa kanilang mga Singaporean. An average Singaporean can't compose right english grammar because of their second language, Bahasa, which is a language with no grammar. Mind you, an average Singaporean can't write in Mandarin, which is more difficult to learn. Kaya nga ang mga Hong Kong Chinese ayaw kausapin mga Singaporean Chinese.

Singaporeans have the attitude of criticizing other people because they were taught in schools that they're the best. That's their sense of nationalism. Right now, since they're starting to be "globalized", they had just started mastering the English language. And they think that they have the edge because Malaysians and Indonesians are not interested in mastering English. Then here come Filipinos who even a high school drop out can speak and understand common English.

Nakakatawa lang. Sa blog, yung mga sumasagot, parehong nagmamalaki na magaling sa kabilang culture, para bang pagalingan mawala ang kanikanilang dignidad. Ano'ng pakialam ko kung mali grammar ko sa English? 'Di naman ako British o Amerikano. As long as I'm understood. Ang nakakatawa, 'di na nga marurunong ang maraming Pilipino ng sarili nilang wika. 'Yan ang itinuro ng mga 'Kano: mawala ang sarili mo dahil mas magaling sila.

May problema ang Pilipino, alam ko pero ito lang masasabi ko: WALANG PAKIALAM ANG IBANG LAHI SA AMIN. Pabayaan nyong lutasin namin ang problema namen. At kung di kami katulad nyo, WALA KAMING PAKIALAM. KUNG DI NYO KAMI MAINTINDIHAN, LALU KAMING WALANG PAKIALAM. INTINDIHIN NYO SINASABI NAMEN. Learn our language.

[chupamae]

As pointed out, Vietnam and Mymmar are catching up and we can look to them as alternative source of labour. In addition, they seem more refined and gracious in their mannerisms.

Kahit dito sa pilipinas, sa mall na lang totoong-totoo ito. Ugaling palengke majority ng pinoy kahit nasa loob na ng quadrado gusali na na naka-aircon.

[andresbonifacio2]

Either you love me or are trolling me.

Sorry but you are not that lucky.

What?

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You have been exposed. You don't have the right to lecture us Filipinos.

Reasons...
1. Fighting for Beijing Rights While Disregarding China's Aggression and Bullying.
Proof:
a. http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...1#post62715231
b. http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...1#post62715480
c. http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...1#post62718751
d. http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...1#post62721097

2. Questionable morals. Instead of China, shooter_mcgavin suggests to boycott poor Africans instead. Are these Africans bullying or threatening a very weak Philippines with military decimation?
Proof:
a. http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...1#post62715231

If you want to make a statement boycott Cellphones ... many of their raw materials come from Africa...

Question: How many illegal economic sanctions has Africa imposed on us?

3. For shooter_mcgavin Filipino citizenship means nothing. Nationality is expendable. No allegiance to the Philippines
Proof:
a. http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...1#post62765622

I would have to do the most patriotic thing to do .... leave the Philippines and move to Canada ... haha!

b. http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...1#post62766725

Though for the record I don't really have any allegiance with any country. Pure Chinese Blood, Born and Raised in the Philippines, Naturalized as a Canadian, you realize Nationality is an expendable aspect in how we identify ourselves.

National Identity is pretty much thrown out of the window when you want to make a good and honest living.

The last parts were the best. Nationality and loyalty to the highest bidder. Even another fellow Pexer was surprised by his kind of thinking.

on my analysis about this guy (shooter_mcgavin) basing on his posts.

he is a sellout type of guy. reread his posts.

Again please leave us Filipinos to our own problems.

And pretty much the weight of most of your messages for the last three months contains some kind of anti-Filipino sentiment.

[heavyy_qear_XII]

it's a freaking blog... bakit pa kailangan patulan at pag-aksayahan ng panahon. he's entitled to his own opinion since he owns it... make your own and post your own version about singaporeans naman...
sadly most if not all are true. thanks to his opinion people might even better themselves. yung mga balat sibuyas usually ang may mga may sala at tinatamaan.

look at this promotion exclusively for Filipinos by a Singapore telecom company.... warning, the comments/reactions not for the faint of heart pinoys
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ito pinoy ang may sala "daw"
http://singaporeseen.stomp.com.sg/st..._facebook.html

[shooter_mcgavin]

1. Fighting for Beijing Rights While Disregarding China's Aggression and Bullying.
Proof:
a. http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...1#post62715231
b. http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...1#post62715480
c. http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...1#post62718751
d. http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...1#post62721097

2. Questionable morals. Instead of China, shooter_mcgavin suggests to boycott poor Africans instead. Are these Africans bullying or threatening a very weak Philippines with military decimation?
Proof:
a. http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...1#post62715231

Question: How many illegal economic sanctions has Africa imposed on us?

Nah my point was that everyone want's to boycott Chinese product and China because of this political issue. If people do want to get involved why not do the same for countries where even bigger atrocities are happening?

Boycotting China for issues happening in politics just makes no sense. I work in a company where we work hand in hand with Chinese Colleagues and heck have projects involving China. Are you just going to say, "Heck let's abandon this project because of some political tension between China Politician A and Philippine Politician B"?

I don't support China's politics either but us taking our frustration over people who work and live in China does not add up. Protesting on the Chinese Embassy maybe, but boycotting China made products I can't support.

I have no stand against Africa, though I think there should be a social responsibility to be aware of these things, but I just want to call on this double standard. If people are so mad by China's atrocities why not Africa?

3. For shooter_mcgavin Filipino citizenship means nothing. Nationality is expendable. No allegiance to the Philippines
Proof:
a. http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...1#post62765622

b. http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...1#post62766725

The last parts were the best. Nationality and loyalty to the highest bidder. Even another fellow Pexer was surprised by his kind of thinking.

And how are you surprised by this? I will still identify myself as a Filipino since I have been lucky enough to have a career here.

But what about others that have migrated to another country? Many they had to given up their citizenship and Filipino nationality so they can become Australians, Canadians, Americans, or Europeans. Are you going to blame them because they changed their nationality so they can make a living?

I mean great for the ones that decide to move back here and maybe start a business, but others do not have such luxury.

Why do you think there was a boom of nursing students a few years back? For many, It's not so they can fulfill their dream to become full time nurses in The Philippines.

I talked to my friend's brother who migrated to the US. He still visits the Philippines to visit his relatives but for him, he just doesn't mind what's going on here anymore since he's already made a life and living in the US.

Also case in point: http://www.pinoytumblr.com/post/2507...xandermigrates

It's not just Filipinos, Mexicans leave Mexico to live in the US for a better life, and what about immigrants over the years for better opportunities? Likewise my ancestors that left China because they felt they can make more money here.

My point is people are willing to waive their Nationality or Citizenship at a chance for a better life. If there was uncompromising loyalty between the people and their country, we wouldn't have immigrants around the world like what we do now.

Again please leave us Filipinos to our own problems.

And pretty much the weight of most of your messages for the last three months contains some kind of anti-Filipino sentiment.

I pay 32% income tax here (well maybe its 15%). Until the time I don't pay any taxes, this is my problem as much as is yours.

If I am not anti-Filipino, I am harsh on it yes. But I've lived here for almost all my life. The barrage of false promises and missed potential over the years, I stand by what I say.

[andresbonifacio2]

Nah my point was that everyone want's to boycott Chinese product and China because of this political issue. If people do want to get involved why not do the same for countries where even bigger atrocities are happening?

Boycotting China for issues happening in politics just makes no sense. I work in a company where we work hand in hand with Chinese Colleagues and heck have projects involving China. Are you just going to say, "Heck let's abandon this project because of some political tension between China Politician A and Philippine Politician B"?

I don't support China's politics either but us taking our frustration over people who work and live in China does not add up. Protesting on the Chinese Embassy maybe, but boycotting China made products I can't support.

Obvious pretenses. Ignored facts.

Q. Who abandoned projects? Who is now implementing illegal economic sanctions? Who is showing aggression to the Philippines?
A. China. 1) Bananas 2) Other agri-products 3) Tourism 4) Student Exchanges 5) Airline Routes

Q. Who smuggled gold and other metals from the Philippines.
A. China

Q. Who invested but did not hire Filipino citizens?
A. China imported Chinese citizens and controlled the whole process from production to shipping.

Q. Who abused their own employees and own Chinese citizens that has to be RESCUED by the Philippine government.
A. Chinese firms in the Philippines

Just within this week China has sent several offensive aircraft over our own territory, among them 1 fighter jet.

Proof again that you ignore China's persecution of Philippines.

I have no stand against Africa, though I think there should be a social responsibility to be aware of these things, but I just want to call on this double standard. If people are so mad by China's atrocities why not Africa?

We have no quarrel with Africa. Did Africa send several fighter aircraft and helicopters to the Philippines this week? No.

You have misplaced sense of morality made even worse by defining an enemy that does no harm to us.

And how are you surprised by this? I will still identify myself as a Filipino since I have been lucky enough to have a career here.

Thank you for further proof that nationality means nothing to you, you are only anchored by money.

But what about others that have migrated to another country? Many they had to given up their citizenship and Filipino nationality so they can become Australians, Canadians, Americans, or Europeans. Are you going to blame them because they changed their nationality so they can make a living?

I mean great for the ones that decide to move back here and maybe start a business, but others do not have such luxury.

Why do you think there was a boom of nursing students a few years back? For many, It's not so they can fulfill their dream to become full time nurses in The Philippines.

I talked to my friend's brother who migrated to the US. He still visits the Philippines to visit his relatives but for him, he just doesn't mind what's going on here anymore since he's already made a life and living in the US.

Also case in point: http://www.pinoytumblr.com/post/2507...xandermigrates

You have no right to put yourself among their company. They have genuine concern for the Philippines, unlike you.

Even though they are living as Americans, they are still fighting for Filipino sovereignty. In fact they send money here, and was active in planning the May 11 global protest against Chinese aggression together with patriotic Filipino-Chinese here in the Philippines.

It's not just Filipinos, Mexicans leave Mexico to live in the US for a better life, and what about immigrants over the years for better opportunities? Likewise my ancestors that left China because they felt they can make more money here.

Mexico and the United States? United States are very kind to Mexicans. In spite of being more powerful, are they bullying and threatening Mexicans military decimation? Simply out-of-place, your reasoning out-of-order.

Again money, money, money, MONEY. Citizenship and nationality = money. Proof of your low morals.

We are beyond money. We are defending our country even though we are militarily very weak, economically sanctioned by China, and no money.

My point is people are willing to waive their Nationality or Citizenship at a chance for a better life. If there was uncompromising loyalty between the people and their country, we wouldn't have immigrants around the world like what we do now.

It proves again you are money, money, money. Really?! Why is it Filipino-Chinese form the ROTC units in many colleges and university that is generally avoided by non-Chinese Pinoys? Why is it that Mexicans will work for the U.S. Army and consent to the dangers of Afganistan and Iraq?

Because unlike you, money to them (and us) is not everything. Do not put your self in the same league, likewise; stop defining what nationality is for us.

I pay 32% income tax here (well maybe its 15%). Until the time I don't pay any taxes, this is my problem as much as is yours.

If I am not anti-Filipino, I am harsh on it yes. But I've lived here for almost all my life. The barrage of false promises and missed potential over the years, I stand by what I say.

Again citizenship for money, money, MONEY. You are anchored by 32% (or 15%) tax, that is nothing - we are here for 100% compassion to fellow Filipinos and 100% against aggression of China.

You simply have no right to lecture us.

[peternato9]

Q. Who smuggled gold and other metals from the Philippines.
A. USA (know your history, they even killed a lot of Filipinos back then), Spain

Q. Who invested but did not hire Filipino citizens?
A. like what, a lot of Chinese owned companies here in the Philippines even in China hire Filipinos, how many OFW are there in HK , Macau, Beijing know your facts idit.

Q. Who abused their own employees and own Chinese citizens that has to be RESCUED by the Philippine government.
A. not just chinese firms even firms owned by filipinos does that.

[andresbonifacio2]

Q. Who smuggled gold and other metals from the Philippines.
A. USA (know your history, they even killed a lot of Filipinos back then), Spain

They are our friends today. To help you let me add Japan. Sure we have differences during the colonial and imperial times. The matter is they changed and became our good friends. Not sending aggressive coast guard, maritime ships, naval assets, or fighter jests.

Spain today is now helping us in many ways. In fact a project blessed by the King of Spain builds solar powered lighting in remote areas of the country. There are other projects which increased during the GMA administration.

U.S.A. together with Japan are our greatest friends. U.S.A provides equipment and manpower in time of calamities. Japan provides the largest infrastructure development projects in the Philippines without any political nor sovereignty favors. U.S.A, Japan, and Spain now all pledge to help boost our defensive capability.

Q. Who invested but did not hire Filipino citizens?
A. like what, a lot of Chinese owned companies here in the Philippines even in China hire Filipinos, how many OFW are there in HK , Macau, Beijing know your facts idit.

Ok instead of dwelling in insults why don't we look at the facts.

Ok look at the large-scale mining investments of China. They employ and ABUSE Chinese citizens. I hope you are not confusing Chinese owned from Filipino-Chinese owned; Fil-Chi is Filipino NOT Chinese.

Likewise we allow illegal Chinese immigrants to stay and earn a living here.

The point is there is the element of aggression and bullying in the national level.

Q. Who abused their own employees and own Chinese citizens that has to be RESCUED by the Philippine government.
A. not just chinese firms even firms owned by filipinos does that.

The point is Chinese companies abusing poor Chinese citizens, their high level of confidence in doing that in foreign soil is simply amazing. It took the intervention of a FOREIGN government to stop it.

Sure Filipinos have instances of abuse too, but not at the LEVEL of abuse the Chinese are doing to their own people.

[speedsterdemon]

A point to bring out: what mastery of English language these pinoys have? zilch if we take the international benchmark of the Angus Ross Literature prize which is almost annually won by a Singaporean since its inception. The Angus Ross prize is recognization of the best literature paper in “A” levels outside UK.

Singaporeans are known to have a really incomprehensible pidgin accent called the Singlish. It will take a person sometime to get used to it before he understands the horrible accent and wrong grammar structure. 99% of the population speaks like this.

To the person who wants to make a living to better feed his family to give them a better education and life will not care about an unknown Angus Ross prize for best literature paper. Nobody gives the eff. It is only some literature nerd's dream to win it. Just because a Singaporean wins the prize, doesn't mean that majority of Singaporeans are masters in English, both speech and literature. They suck. Their accent suck. Go there and listen for yourself. Some foreign companies would prefer to hire pinoy rather than Singaporean due to this embarrassing accent. It's so true and it's very funny.

Filipino accent in English is quickly comprehensible by a foreigner. Even a trike driver who speaks a little English can be understood easily - go lep, go rite, go stret, go bak. It's straight forward and short.

Looking at their poilitical leaders’ behaviour is a ghastly exercise of megalomaniac and ineptness. Estrada, Aquino, Marcoses were leechers to their own country with playboy attitude and cowboy rules.

Singaporeans hate Lee Kuan Yew and how he governs the city state. They complain that his salary is way too high and etc. There's corruption, unemployment, etc. They complain so much about the government. They even name Singapore under the PAP gov't as SinKapore. A family who wasn't able to pay their bills, were kicked out from their flat and now living at the void deck. They peacefully voiced out their concerns because they can't afford the rising cost of living. You know what the police did? They put all of them to prison. Talk about democracy.

I once passed Baguio there and the whole place gave ma a creep – it was dark, alleys with prostitutes, drug addicts openly shooting pots.

Singapore too has a red light district in Geylang. Taxi drivers can even show you and tell you how much. $20 per girl, hotel room all in, very young. Recently Singapore was rocked by a news when a former principal of a school was caught hiring a prostitute. High profile businessmen too was caught for hiring an underaged 17 year old prostitute for sex. A politician as well were caught for having extra marital affairs. They were all punished, fined, humiliated in newspapers, and sent to prison. There's drug addicts too in Singapore because so many drug traffickers were hanged. Why traffic the drugs when there's no customer? There's also kids who sniff glue (rugby in Philippines terms) as well. Teenagers can have access to marijuana.

Chinese triads who manages Sim Lim Square and other Electronic stores regularly victimizes tourist/customers by offering cheap electronics, but withholding some important items like the battery or the memory, or the charger. If you want to buy these, they jack up the price to sky high. When you raise up an argument, they call their gang members to beat you up. The police there are incompetent as they couldn't even curb triads from recruiting and growing illegal businesses. They are locally called Ah Beng and Ah Lians for girls. Sometimes they are involved in street fights and gang war between rival gangs. The Ang Soon Tong secret society are the biggest there with rival gangs like the Tiong Lee Tong and the Gee Ling Kiat as their sworn enemies.

Now, who ever said Singapore was ALL clean and all modern? You've got to live there a certain time to know the population well.

My observation of pinoys here in Singapore is not favourable either. I have seen maids abusing little children by literally dragging the tiny tots while yakking on the phone, infesting the shopping centres with their irritating English slang and tagalog which sounded more like chickens and ducks talking.

There are more news of Singaporeans physically abusing their maids. So many cases were already reported. They treat them like trash, slaves, and prisoners. Read the news.

They are supeficial people in the corporate world, smiling fakely but with a dagger behind – just look at their politicians and political culture which affirm this culturally imbibed trait.

I guess this person doesn't want to face the reality that a foreigner can be their superior, what more, a Filipino. I don't think this is centered upon pinoys only. This is also centered to Australians and other westerners, expats who works there in Singapore. They complain they are getting their jobs.

There are companies who are reluctant to hiring Singaporeans because they tend to hop from one company to another and they demand higher pay. So, a foreigner who speaks and writes better English, are more talented and creative, doesn't hop from one job to another, doesn't demand a higher salary, gets the job.

In short, Singaporeans are way too spoiled and too pampered. They haven't felt what the real world is like and experience it. Foreigners take whatever is better than their home country.

Now the pinoys are so emboldened thinking a pax-filipino can be entrenched here in Singapore. Look Pinoys! We Singaporeans are gracious and to a large extent our government policies welcome FT or the other FT*****. This is by no means you can **** and feel arrogant here. As pointed out, Vietnam and Mymmar are catching up and we can look to them as alternative source of labour. In addition, they seem more refined and gracious in their mannerisms.

LAI

Correction. No "we Singaporeans," but "We the gov't of Singapore" will decide what is best for the country. Singaporeans really have no voice. You make so much noise, you go to prison. So easy. So simple.

It sucks to be Singaporean and it is no wonder that many Singaporeans are packing up their bags and migrate to another country and become full pledge citizens there.

So you know, people.

[shooter_mcgavin]

@andresbonifacio2 - I'm not going to argue with you anymore. It's nice to talk about issues and thanks for bringing that up. Whether whats true or not remains to be seen and do deserve to be taken into consideration. But I am not going to argue with someone whose got some vendetta against me and who I am just because I have a very different point of view.

You ask what gives you the right to lecture us. Because I can same reason that you are lecturing me. The only difference is I am trying to be sensible and reach my point as much as possible without attacking anyone.

The funny thing is that Jon Stewart and Bill Riley, have very conflicting opinions about America. Yet they respect each other as human being. You, on the other hand, have give no such respect and it shows with the way you describe me as "not a Filipino", "low morals", "no right to..." etc.

We can all agree to disagree but you have to be an "@$$hole" in all this. No I am not trying to be rude, I am using that term as defined in the book "No @$$hole Rule".

I'm not reading this anymore so bother to reply, at least, not in this thread.

[Jspice]

shooter_mcgavin is so smart nababading ako LOL