2012 PBA Mock Draft 2.0

[ash777]

sorry, but it's not.

"In determining the order of drafting, 40 percent weight is given to a team’s finish in the Philippine Cup, 30 percent to a team’s finish in the Commissioner’s Cup and 30 percent to a team’s finish in the Governors’ Cup."

http://www.pba.ph/blogs/entry/208

ok bro. tingnan na lang natin pagtapos ng 37th pba season, kung tama nga talaga ang computation mo sa drafting order.

[darkwind]

ok bro. tingnan na lang natin pagtapos ng 37th pba season, kung tama nga talaga ang computation mo sa drafting order.

me governors' cup pa kaya malamang sa alamang eh mabago pa yan pero mukhang sure na sa lottery ang Alaska and Air21

[KG21]

Junmar Fajardo will only join the PBA Draft unless he will be pick 1st overall by Petron Blaze Booster?

According to Sunstar Article from Cebu, the 6-foot-10 center and one of the most promising bigman in Philippine Basketball will not join the PBA Draft this year unless he will be drafted by the Petron Blaze Booster ( mother team of San Miguel Beermen in ABL) as the top overall pick according to his former manager and the University of Cebu Webmasters Basketball Team manager Atty. Baldomero Estenzo.

Estenzo cleared that San Miguel will release Fajardo if the SMB PBA Franchise will have the rights to the No.1 overall pick.

“Kon makuha sa San Miguel ang right sa no.1 pick, magpa-draft na si Fajardo sa PBA,” matod ni Estenzo.
(Trans: "If San Miguel will get the rights to pick no. 1, then Fajardo will join the PBA Draft," Estenzo said.)

Also according to Estenzo, Junmar Fajardo is already earning the same amount just like those in PBA which is roughly around 250-400k (hula ko).

Read here the full article: http://www.sunstar.com.ph/superbalit...-sa-pba-226646

[oyen_invader]

Junmar not joining the 2012 draft? read it HERE

cebuano po ang pagkakasulat pero may hinanda po kaming translation dahil yung isang gasolineboy ay bisaya..

[sydrified]

i'm not that sold kay fajardo kasi in the abl, silang dalawa ni aldrech ramos, hindi nila nalabas yung scoring at rebounding nila dahil nasasapawan sila ng kanilang mga imports. actually i'd rather pick pringle or banchero over him but since they aren't available, maybe they can check out cliff hodge or calvin abueva.

hodge played a lot of minutes for nlex and he earned BPC honors for his feat. if petron takes him, they'll have the chance to get MVP's "homegrown" talent. abueva is like hodge although smaller but if petron really wants tiu then whoever picks fourth (if junmar will apply) or second will be happy to get his services.

ke gano pa kalaki yan, dapat ma-expose siya in leading his team to victory. with averages of 4.6ppg, 4.1rpg, and 0.9bpg in 21mpg, hindi siya ganung ka-convincing.

http://www.sydrified.org/2012/06/crack-kraken.html

[sydrified]

Junmar not joining the 2012 draft? read it HERE

cebuano po ang pagkakasulat pero may hinanda po kaming translation dahil yung isang gasolineboy ay bisaya..

laki pala ng sweldo sa abl. sino kaya mas malaki sweldo - siya o si mvp frontrunner avenido?

[Big Ticket]

^fajardo (and banchero) of course....remember, avenido is a journeyman so i dont think he's earning more than the two...maybe next season, he can command a better pay either from the 2 philippine teams or the other ASEAN teams because of his MVP performance...

[sydrified]

^fajardo (and banchero) of course....remember, avenido is a journeyman so i dont think he's earning more than the two...maybe next season, he can command a better pay either from the 2 philippine teams or the other ASEAN teams because of his MVP performance...

sakto. if they are giving fajardo the minutes and the shot selections, they are indeed training him to be their best player. just like banchero. roger yap might be a pba all-star pero most of the backcourt minutes bulk is with banchero.

[Shoshin]

why would petron Draft another PF for their First pick if they have a glaring hole at the Center Spot which could be filled by JunMar? they Already have Arwind and JWash and picking Hodge or Abueva is essentially picking a bench player rather than picking a starter and practically an answer to what the team needs

He may not give the numbers that you want him to have in the ABL but he definitely has something to show. Even coaches such as Bobby Parks and Tim Cone speak highly of him. He has the right fundamentals and although he is overshadowed by the import, he has shown what he can do in limited minutes. He can even match up with some of the imports in short spurts.

I would rather have Petron take whoever Alaska does not pick in Hodge or Abueva on their second pick via Barako Bull, who are virtually the same type of player and make sure that Fajardo does not go anywhere and draft him up as the Top pick should Air 21 get that first pick.

[karlo_12]

sa draft kasi dapat ang kinukuha dyan yung best talent available hindi yung need ng team.. darko milicic is an example of that..

pero bahala na ang petron management dyan..

[Shoshin]

sa draft kasi dapat ang kinukuha dyan yung best talent available hindi yung need ng team.. darko milicic is an example of that..

pero bahala na ang petron management dyan..

Not Necessarily.

If you were a bottom Dweller team, you should pick the best talent regardless of the current roster. This will help you get out of the bottom. If you are a middle to top Team, you draft the player you need to get you over the hump. The Last time I checked, Petron is not a bottom Dwelling team, just underachieving.

What is the point of Getting a Hodge or Abueva, if they play behind Arwind and JWash? Where is the logic there? Yet you have a Center being played by Dorian who is clearly nearing retirement and Rob Reyes is undersized and NoyB who has not cracked the rotation.

The likely scenario order for the picks would be Petron (Via Air21), Alaska, then Meralco or Petron (Via Barako Bull). If petron Picks Hodge as "the best talent" at #1, Alaska would pick Abueva and Fajardo would probably got to Meralco (replacement of Asi) and Petron is left with Ramos or Ellis. They will essentially pick two players that will be sitting down and rotting on the bench.

If they picked Fajardo and put him as a starter, that makes them a better team right off the bat. Alaska would pick Hodge (who i think will be traded to TNT for Japeth), then Petron would be left with Ramos, Abueva and Ellis.

Granting DP and DI and Dhontz will retire soon, which Team will be much more complete and competitive knowing there are only 5 players that can play at a time?

Team A

PG - Acab/Denok
SG - CL/Yeo
SF - ML/(Ellis or Abueva)
PF - Jwash/AS/Hodge
C- Rob/NoyB

Or

TeamB

PG - Acab/Denok
SG - CL/Yeo
SF - ML/(Ellis or Abueva)
PF - Jwash/AS
C- JunMar/Rob/NoyB

[Shoshin]

Also note that there are Two Spots that are very difficult to fill in in Basketball, Point Guard and Center. You can see a lot of duplicates in the SG, SF and PF spots. In the Philippines, there are an abundance of PGs but getting a PG with a good size is rather rare. As they say, you cannot teach height and as Filipinos, there is a rarity in that. Getting a Young center who has good fundamentals (unlike Eman) is hard to pass on.

[karlo_12]

yup youre right.. mas mahirap nga kumuha ng center sa pinas.. and napanood ko si fajardo sa collegiate leagues.. halimaw tong batang to.. may postmoves talaga at marunong pumusisyon..

so first pick si fajardo, at chris ellis for the 3rd pick.. back up ni lassiter.. pwede na.. super athletic na ng team natin

[Shoshin]

JunMar is still Raw though but there is a reason why SMC took him to SMB and that is for proper training. He is able to practice with Two Big Men Imports, which is going to help him a lot. Will he be dominant? I am not so sure about that but he will be a big plus to any team who is in Dire need of a bigman such as Petron who recently settled for an aging Dorain Pena.

Hodge on the other hand is more polished and is ready to help the team that takes him. If Alaska Picks him and keep him, he will definitely help the squad with his hustle and energy. He can definitely start for that team and give them the spark they need.

Does Petron Need Hodge? NO! They already got a problem with Playing two great PFs, why compound it in adding another PF? Makes no sense at all.

[sydrified]

i don't know. kasi sa philcup, hindi maliit ang petron especially with jaywash, arwind, danny i, and pena. if you put hodge there, he'll making the team loaded with scoring and rebound opportunities. pagdating naman sa comcup, all they need to do is get an import that's an inside threat like bmeg had with bowles. sa govcup lang magkakatalo kasi at 6'5, swerte mo na pag nakakuha ka ng import na mala-omar sneed at nate brumfield.

or maybe they should just develop nonoy baclao sila naman may kasalanan kung bakit siya nagkaganyan e.

[AkoPoSiPipoy]

i don't know. kasi sa philcup, hindi maliit ang petron especially with jaywash, arwind, danny i, and pena. if you put hodge there, he'll making the team loaded with scoring and rebound opportunities. pagdating naman sa comcup, all they need to do is get an import that's an inside threat like bmeg had with bowles. sa govcup lang magkakatalo kasi at 6'5, swerte mo na pag nakakuha ka ng import na mala-omar sneed at nate brumfield.

or maybe they should just develop nonoy baclao sila naman may kasalanan kung bakit siya nagkaganyan e.

Huh?! Hindi sa minamaliit ko si Baclao pero di ako nag-eexpect kay Baclao ng superstar or above par numbers. Tandaan mo na sa Ateneo role player lang din sya. Na-dominate nya yung shaded lane(defensive side) sa UAAP dahil sa competition na hindi gaya ng sa pro-league. Kung di ako nagkakamali, 6'4 to 6'5 lang ang height nya, di siya kasing athletic ng mga gaya ni Santos at Pingris kaya nagtataka ako kung ano ba talaga ang inaasahan nyo sa kanya?

As for Fajardo, tignan nyo po muna yung laro niya at wag yung stats nya. Natural lang na magiging ganun ang stats nya kung maglalaro siyang kapalitan ng imports at kabantayan pa yung imports. Kung may dalawa kang top 5 pick at malakas na yung line up mo, bakit hindi mo pa isugal yung isang pick?

[sydrified]

Okay. Point taken. Siguro I'm kinda harsh kay fajardo because I'm not much of a fan. pero if petron won't get the top pick, does this mean that fajardo will enter the 2013 draft or will they just compromise with alaska in order to obtain his services?

kasi whatever it is, this draft is rich and pf/c-heavy.

and may pera sila...

now i just want alaska to win the top pick so they can just draft fajardo out of spoiling this reunion.

kelan ba lottery?

[liberated101]

yup youre right.. mas mahirap nga kumuha ng center sa pinas.. and napanood ko si fajardo sa collegiate leagues.. halimaw tong batang to.. may postmoves talaga at marunong pumusisyon..

yeah thats true against UAAP/NCAA best teams and best players, napatunayan na ni fajardo na halimaw siya maglaro kaya nagtataka ako sa showing ni fajardo ngayon sa ABL pero naisip ko na hindi naman talaga sa ABL yun magiging mundo ni fajardo. hawak na siya ng SMC, alam natin na sa pba talaga yun destination niya. nilagay lang siya ng smc sa ABL para mahawakan nila sa leeg si fajardo para sila magdecide kung kelan nila to ipapasok sa pba. pinalaro lang nila si fajardo para pamalit lang sa import, hindi para magpakitang gilas, wala nga offensive option na play para sa kanya. hindi din naman sigurado petron na sila makakakuha ng #1 pick overall, may lottery pick pa yan may chance din alaska sila mag #1 pick. baket mag all out si fajardo maglaro sa ABL kung hindi pa naman sure na petron yun makakakuha ng #1, eh di nasilat sa kanila si fajardo. kaya pamalit lang sa import yun ginawang role kay fajardo para hindi din siya masyado magpakita. kung alaska makakuha ng #1 pick magdadalawang isip to kung si fajardo kukunin nila or hodge, dahil hindi naman naging maganda showing ni fajardo sa ABL. strategy lang yan ng SMC para masiguradong sa kanila bagsak ni fajardo, alam natin kung ano yun kayang gawin ni fajardo. ito yun 6'10 na player na maganda yun fundamentals at may tira sa perimeter.

[Jay P. Mercado]

Not Necessarily.

If you were a bottom Dweller team, you should pick the best talent regardless of the current roster. This will help you get out of the bottom. If you are a middle to top Team, you draft the player you need to get you over the hump. The Last time I checked, Petron is not a bottom Dwelling team, just underachieving.

What is the point of Getting a Hodge or Abueva, if they play behind Arwind and JWash? Where is the logic there? Yet you have a Center being played by Dorian who is clearly nearing retirement and Rob Reyes is undersized and NoyB who has not cracked the rotation.

The likely scenario order for the picks would be Petron (Via Air21), Alaska, then Meralco or Petron (Via Barako Bull). If petron Picks Hodge as "the best talent" at #1, Alaska would pick Abueva and Fajardo would probably got to Meralco (replacement of Asi) and Petron is left with Ramos or Ellis. They will essentially pick two players that will be sitting down and rotting on the bench.

If they picked Fajardo and put him as a starter, that makes them a better team right off the bat. Alaska would pick Hodge (who i think will be traded to TNT for Japeth), then Petron would be left with Ramos, Abueva and Ellis.

Granting DP and DI and Dhontz will retire soon, which Team will be much more complete and competitive knowing there are only 5 players that can play at a time?

I agree with this one. The principle of acquiring the best player in the draft for the top rookie pick is extremely logical but may not be applicable at all times. The assumption of course here is that the owner of the top draft pick is the worst-performing team of the previous season - which explains the need to get the best player available. But in Petron's case, they're not the worst team. Arguably, they may actually be the most talented team on paper today. Hence, getting the services of a player that they need would be more logical.

Apart from that Junmar Fajardo has been the subject of a tug-o-war between the RSA and MVP camps dating back in 2008 when the SMART-Gilas pool was being completed. Fajardo was one of the prime considerations, but Fajardo's handlers in Cebu feared that by releasing the 6'10 center to the national pool, they would lose him as he might be fielded in to play for Ateneo. Note that a similar case happened with Greg Slaughter, another Cebuano player who was taken in to suit up for the Blue Eagles. Fajardo's handlers, through former SMB superstar Ramon Fernandez, decided to negotiate with the SMC officials then led by Robert Non so that Fajardo would be part of their camp. So it's really a case of Fajardo already penciled to play for any SMC team since 4 years ago.

What would happen if Alaska ends up winning the lottery? I don't know the chronological sequence - which would come first - the lottery draw or the deadline for filing for applicants. I assume the lottery would come first since this would give Fajardo the opportunity to decide whether to stay in the ABL (if Alaska wins the top pick) or apply for the draft (if Air 21 secures the top draft choice). If it's the other way around, Fajardo may opt to stay in the ABL or Petron would work on a deal with the Aces management so they can reverse draft picks. Since Petron is extremely deep, they may be able to offer players that the Aces would need for the future.

What may hamper this negotiation though are two factors: Wilfred Uytengsu and Joaqui Trillo may not want to do business with the SMC Group. The other factor is if Alaska would decide to stay after this season. If Alaska opts to leave and a new franchise takes over, imagine the salivating prospect of a new team owner having the likes of Tenorio, Thoss and Baguio in his lineup alongside the top overall pick of the draft. And with SMC offering a top player or players from their roster, Alaska might actually be swayed to give up the top pick, assuming they win the lottery. Or SMC might offer to swap picks with Alaska and offer Baclao as a sweetener to make Alaska attracted.

[Jay P. Mercado]

I forgot to cite the quality of the rookies as well as a factor in the Fajardo drafting. It may appear that Fajardo is NOT the best player in the draft, owing to his statline in the ABL. People will probably look at Cliff Hodge or Chris Ellis more as the better blue-chipper.

But we have to understand that prior to the ABL, Fajardo was regarded as basketball's best kept open secret. Having played in Cebu practically all his life, Fajardo's game has been raved about because of his sound fundamentals and quick first step. Having Ramon Fernandez as his trainer sure helped as well. A few months back, Fajardo was indeed the best player that will enter the draft.

Second, while Hodges, Ellis and Abueva are indeed talented and potential blue chip players, I don't know if Petron would be faced in a similar dilemma as Bo Perasol and Powerade and Yeng Guiao of ROS had this season. Perasol, with the first pick overall, had to choose from any of Casio, Lee, Lassiter and Lutz and that was extremely difficult to do because of the different elements they brought to the game. They were lucky to have two of the first 3 picks which made it easier for them to get Casio since they know one of the three would still be around.

In Petron's case, it's not the same. Hodges, Abueva and Ellis would probably become starters in an also-ran team like Air 21 or Alaska but will only come off the bench with the other teams. Casio, Lassiter, Lutz and Lee were penciled to become immediate starters for any team already when they got drafted. Hence, the depth chart is very different for the coming draft compared to its predecessor.