Catholic Church Losing Members

[csco80]

The Church was persecuted, it also persecuted. Big time.

True, the church is composed of sinners and saints..but Jesus assured us He will not leave us ever.

[sophion]

I do not deny those accusations you have of the priests and leadership of the Catholic church in the Philippines and even here in the US... but think about it.

You are wanting a church that pleases yourself sophion. It is not Jesus you are seeking anymore, you are seeking a group that accepts you and pleases you.

"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." ( John 13:34-35)

as catholics we did not feel the love. church is all about brotherhood. that was the original intent. its how the christian church grew.

True our masses or pattern of worship are very boring in so many ways but that is the format that was given by Jesus to the apostles. The Catholic church has no right to change the pattern of the mass/worship to make it pleasing to the church goers. It is God we want to please when we go worship, not ourselves. How do we know that that is the pattern of worship given by Jesus. Compare our masses to Jewish worship, it is very similar. Remember Jesus attended the synagogue when He was on earth.

where in the bible did it give such pattern? there is only singing and the breaking of bread and drinking of wine in there. which every christian sect is doing.

[banimalek]

pangkalahatan din tinutukoy ko. isipin mo na lang ha. ever since may muslim sa pinas pero ilan kayo ngayon? 5% lang ng philippine population. born again kelan lang dumating pero 2.8% na agad! saan galing 2.8% na yan? sa katolik! same with inc. originally catholics din.

problema mo masyadong narrow vision mo. sarili mo lang nakikita mo!

Sino maysabi na 5% lang ang Muslim sa pinas, tagaroon kaba?

anung aral?

Nakalimutan mo ba kung ano ang aral, umalis ka lang sa pagkatoliko hindi mo na alam kung ano ang tinatanong kung aral

[tonton]

True, the church is composed of sinners and saints..but Jesus assured us He will not leave us ever.

All organizations, whether religious or not, are composed of sinners and saints. The church (who is guided by the holy spirit, led by an infallible pope, who is the vanguard of morality, etc) should be better than that.

[sophion]

Sino maysabi na 5% lang ang Muslim sa pinas, tagaroon kaba?

aba papalag ka pa? o sige ikaw magpakita ng figures. tapos lets compare sources!

sige pakita mo galing mo.

Nakalimutan mo ba kung ano ang aral, umalis ka lang sa pagkatoliko hindi mo na alam kung ano ang tinatanong kung aral

heto tanong mo:

"Salamat sa pag-share pero sa paniniwala mong agnostiko ay ano ang batayan mo ng aral mo?"

walang aral ang agnostiko. thats the beauty of it. i'm free.

[banimalek]

aba papalag ka pa? o sige ikaw magpakita ng figures. tapos lets compare sources!

sige pakita mo galing mo.

Bakit kailangan akong magpakita ng figures bakit na-census ba ng Pilipinas ang kalahatan ng mga Muslim, nalaman ba nila ang bilang ng mga Muslim na walang birth certificates o ang mga balik Islam na nagpalit ng kanilang religion bilang Muslim

heto tanong mo:

"Salamat sa pag-share pero sa paniniwala mong agnostiko ay ano ang batayan mo ng aral mo?"

walang aral ang agnostiko. thats the beauty of it. i'm free.

so, ganoon lang umalis kana sa katoliko at ayaw mong pumasok sa iba kasi gusto mong maging malaya, okey iyon pala ang gusto mo

[sophion]

Bakit kailangan akong magpakita ng figures bakit na-census ba ng Pilipinas ang kalahatan ng mga Muslim, nalaman ba nila ang bilang ng mga Muslim na walang birth certificates o ang mga balik Islam na nagpalit ng kanilang religion bilang Muslim

wala ka naman palang ibuguga eh. puro ka lang reklamo.
sorry ka na lang pero dami talang protestante at inc sa pinas. halos lahat yan galing sa katolik.

so do yourself a favor and stop dreaming na sa muslim nagpapuntahan ang katoliko.
kitid mo talagang magisip. kung anong nakikita mo kala mo iyun na!

so, ganoon lang umalis kana sa katoliko at ayaw mong pumasok sa iba kasi gusto mong maging malaya, okey iyon pala ang gusto mo

kulit mo. i suggest you review iyung thread ko na "why i am no longer christian".

[banimalek]

wala ka naman palang ibuguga eh. puro ka lang reklamo.
sorry ka na lang pero dami talang protestante at inc sa pinas. halos lahat yan galing sa katolik.

so do yourself a favor and stop dreaming na sa muslim nagpapuntahan ang katoliko.
kitid mo talagang magisip. kung anong nakikita mo kala mo iyun na!

Papaano mo nga nalaman na mas dumadami ang born again, nandoon kaba sa pinas o searching sites lang po

atsaka ang sinasabi ko naman po ay dito sa kinalagyan ko kung saan po saksi po ako ng kanilang pagyakap, may sinabi ba akong sa pinas lang atsaka sa unang post ko ang sabi ko KALAHATAN

kulit mo. i suggest you review iyung thread ko na "why i am no longer christian".

Nagtatanong lang naman po at bakit mahirap bang sagutin po ninyo dito

[sophion]

atsaka ang sinasabi ko naman po ay dito sa kinalagyan ko kung saan po saksi po ako ng kanilang pagyakap, may sinabi ba akong sa pinas lang atsaka sa unang post ko ang sabi ko KALAHATAN

ah linawin mo kasi! kung dyan sa saudi eh maniniwala ako sayo. common sense lang na karamihan ng excatholic dyan eh sa muslim napunta.

Nagtatanong lang naman po at bakit mahirap bang sagutin po ninyo dito

sinagot ko na kasi dati yan eh. at mukhang di ka naman nakinig. pinalalabas mo na from catholic eh naging agnostic agad ako. read my posts above. from catholic to born again ang pinapaliwanag ko. and from born again dun ako naging agnostic. at pakibasa na lang ulit iyung dati kong thread kung gusto mo maalala rason kung bakit.

[jeric92002]

Wala naman kasing pormal na pagtitiwalag na nagaganap eh. Tinakwil ko na ang pagkakatoliko ko pero hindi naman alam ng simbahan. Di naman sila nagchecheck ng attendance tuwing linggo.

Sa dami narin nila yan kuya ton. Nasa tao narin kasi ma tetest yung faith nila kahit di i check yung attendance.

[jeric92002]

heto tanong mo:

"Salamat sa pag-share pero sa paniniwala mong agnostiko ay ano ang batayan mo ng aral mo?"

walang aral ang agnostiko. thats the beauty of it. i'm free.

haha natawa ko sa tanung ni harbs, ano ba ang batayan kasi ng aral mo soph? haha

@sophion, correct me if im wrong soph, sarili mu lang ang pinaniniwalaan mo, laging may doubt sa kahit ano. Ganun ang mga agnostic diba? kaya nga freethinker e.

Ang maganda sa pagiging Kristiyano naman ay nagpapasakop kami sa Diyos ng walang halong pag aalinlangan. Sabi nga sa Bible "We live by Faith and not by sight". Ito naman ang sinasabi sa mga doubtful.

James 1:5-7
5 If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you. 6 But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7 That person should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. 8 Such a person is double-minded and unstable in all they do.

[Baldozer]

Kaso may mga priest na mata pobre at ang inatupag eh gumasta, lalo na mga baklang pari.

[android13]

The vatican cultic pagan church is losing members because of the crimes like genocides and the inquisition a reason to leave the pagan church

[sophion]

haha natawa ko sa tanung ni harbs, ano ba ang batayan kasi ng aral mo soph? haha

ganito dapat ang tanong:

ano ba ang batayan ng paniniwala mo soph?

simple lang naman:
1. walang relehiyon ang makapagpatunay na galing sila sa dios
2. lahat ng relehiyon maraming aral na kalokohan.
3. walang atheistang makapagpatunay na walang dios.

kayat naniniwala akong wala tayong kakayanang makilala ang dios. at waste of time lang ang mga relehiyon ngayon.

@sophion, correct me if im wrong soph, sarili mu lang ang pinaniniwalaan mo, laging may doubt sa kahit ano. Ganun ang mga agnostic diba? kaya nga freethinker e.

ika nga eh "give everything the benefit of the doubt". huwag basta basta maniniwala!
miski sarili mo huwag laging paniwalaan. kasi walang taong perpekto. always be open to better ideas.

Ang maganda sa pagiging Kristiyano naman ay nagpapasakop kami sa Diyos ng walang halong pag aalinlangan. Sabi nga sa Bible "We live by Faith and not by sight". Ito naman ang sinasabi sa mga doubtful.

James 1:5-7
5 If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you. 6 But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7 That person should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. 8 Such a person is double-minded and unstable in all they do.

I know. Ive been there.

but i cant go back. once sight has been opened its impossible to live by pure faith again. believe me, i tried.

[inframagus]

I can understand how the Catholic Church can be losing members.

As people get "smarter", they search for religions that they can "understand". They search for perfect leaders. And most of all, convenience.

I can live with this. Could be a purging of some sort.

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kayat naniniwala akong wala tayong kakayanang makilala ang dios. at waste of time lang ang mga relehiyon ngayon...
but i cant go back. once sight has been opened its impossible to live by pure faith again. believe me, i tried.

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Though shall keep thy religion to thyself. - George Carlin

People will eventually be rational and drop religion like a hot potato.

[csco80]

Eh yung tinayo ni Manalo, a classic example of a cult. Hindi lang siya kumain ng tatlong araw, nag-delirium at nagkaroon ng DELUSION OF GRANDEUR tapos ayun, sinabi na niya sa sarili niya siya ang sugo ng Diyos........my my my......anybody can do like he did...ikaw naman na t........a, naniwala....where is your brain deary...?

[csco80]

All organizations, whether religious or not, are composed of sinners and saints. The church (who is guided by the holy spirit, led by an infallible pope, who is the vanguard of morality, etc) should be better than that.

Ton you have to understand that even if the Holy Spirit was sent by Jesus, the Holy Spirit was/is to guide the church not individual people. We all still have our own free will, kaya kahit na miyembro ka ng true church na Catholic church, the salvation of the soul still depends on each of us, not from being a member of the true church.

Yung accusation na nag-abuse ang Catholic church big time is not completely true. In those times as was explained before, the church and the state were so intertwined thus whatever the state government did, it was also blamed on the church.

Through out history, during the heyday of the Roman empire, when slaves were made as game with animals in the coliseums, it was the Catholic saints who stood up against the government of Rome and told them it was not right to make man a bait to those wild animals. The Catholic church has contributed immensely to taming abusive governments too. Up to now, that is what the church is doing, reminding governments what is moral and immoral. That is actually what the Catholic church has been doing though it has received all kinds of ridicule but the church has always stood its ground on morality even though other religion had succumbed to the dictates of the new culture. Tell me what other religion has been ridiculed so bad compared to the Catholic church but the church through out history did not change to appease a king or a queen or a government?

[tonton]

Joke of the Century:

"I hope you can forgive the Catholic Church for what happened to you, I hope and pray that in the end you’ll come to understand the bishops and priests." said Tobias, obviously referring to the major role the late Cardinal Jaime L. Sin played in the 2001 People Power revolt that drove Estrada from Malacañang.

http://www.inquirer.net/specialrepor...0081229-180415

[JaRvis_Jayren]

Eh yung tinayo ni Manalo, a classic example of a cult. Hindi lang siya kumain ng tatlong araw, nag-delirium at nagkaroon ng DELUSION OF GRANDEUR tapos ayun, sinabi na niya sa sarili niya siya ang sugo ng Diyos........my my my......anybody can do like he did...ikaw naman na t........a, naniwala....where is your brain deary...?

Hindi nakatiis, nandamay na ng iba...

Parang si ex-CJ Corona lang ang style... Sorry na lang siya, si FYM, backed up by prophecies. It is the so-called Church Fathers and Popes and their minions ang talagang dillusional, and these die-hard Catholics are even too closed-minded to notice the many unbiblical doctrines and practices in their church...

Stick to the topic, please. Veering away from it only shows your inability to defend your (unbiblical) faith...

[csco80]

Hindi nakatiis, nandamay na ng iba...

Parang si ex-CJ Corona lang ang style... Sorry na lang siya, si FYM, backed up by prophecies. It is the so-called Church Fathers and Popes and their minions ang talagang dillusional, and these die-hard Catholics are even too closed-minded to notice the many unbiblical doctrines and practices in their church...

Stick to the topic, please. Veering away from it only shows your inability to defend your (unbiblical) faith...

Anong nandamay, sinagot ko lang ang sinabi ni Android. Biblical daw, eh kahit sino namang tao diyan sa palengke o sa bangketa pwedeng gawin yung ginawa ni Manalo kung matamis lang ang dila nila. "Man from the East".....milyones da'y ang man from the East na pwedeng mag-claim niyan. Ang tignan mo ay ang HISTORICAL TRUTH NA SINULAT NA SA MGA LIBRO ng mga historians mapa-Catholic or protestante, yun ang katotohanan. Hindi yung imbento lang ng isang tao na siya lang naman ang makapagpatunay.