It is Written..... (A defense of Sola Scriptura)

[great1]

Kahit anong argument pa yan, it will always be reflected sa sa kung ano bang lifestyle meron ang mga Catholics against the other "Christians". Sino ba ang naisasabuhay si Christ sa buhay nila?

Ganito lang yan you have the Bible and you have the Catholic teachings na wala sa Bible/sumasalungat sa Bible ang iba.

[ElCid]

Kahit anong argument pa yan, it will always be reflected sa sa kung ano bang lifestyle meron ang mga Catholics against the other "Christians". Sino ba ang naisasabuhay si Christ sa buhay nila?

Katulad ba ng mga lider protestante/ebanghelico tulad nito?

Contents

1 List of evangelical Christians involved in scandals
1.1 Aimee Semple McPherson, 1920s–40s
1.2 Lonnie Frisbee, 1970s–1980s
1.3 Marjoe Gortner, early 1970s
1.4 Billy James Hargis, early 1970s
1.5 Neville Johnson, 1983
1.6 Jimmy Swaggart, Marvin Gorman, Jim and Tammy Bakker, 1986 and 1991
1.7 Peter Popoff, 1987
1.8 Morris Cerullo, 1990s
1.9 Mike Warnke, 1991
1.10 Robert Tilton, 1991
1.11 Melissa Scott, 1992
1.12 Jim Williams, 1994
1.13 W. V. Grant, 1996 and 2003
1.14 Bob Moorehead, 1998
1.15 Ian Bilby,1998
1.16 Roy Clements, 1999
1.17 John Paulk, 2000
1.18 Frank Houston, 2000
1.19 Roberts Liardon, 2001
1.20 Pat Mesiti, 2001
1.21 Paul Crouch, 2004
1.22 Douglas Goodman, 2004
1.23 Paul Cain, 2005
1.24 Wayne Hughes, 2005
1.25 Kent Hovind, 2006
1.26 Ted Haggard, 2006
1.27 Paul Barnes, 2006
1.28 Lonnie Latham, 2006
1.29 Gilbert Deya, 2006
1.30 Earl Paulk, 2007
1.31 Coy Privette, 2007
1.32 Thomas Wesley Weeks, III, 2007
1.33 Ira Parmenter, 2007
1.34 Michael Reid, 2008
1.35 Joe Barron, 2008
1.36 Todd Bentley, 2008
1.37 Michael Guglielmucci, 2008
1.38 Ergun Caner, 2010
1.39 George Alan Rekers, 2010
1.40 Eddie L. Long, 2010
1.41 Marcus Lamb, 2010
1.42 Vaughn Reeves, 2010
1.43 Stephen Green, 2011
1.44 Albert Odulele, 2011
1.45 Jason Russell, 2012

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...elist_scandals

Huag nga mag holier than thou please.

Ganito lang yan you have the Bible and you have the Catholic teachings na wala sa Bible/sumasalungat sa Bible ang iba.

Nagyabang na naman ang mga taong di alam ang sinasabi. Yun bang sola scriptura nasa biblia? Yan bang sola fide nasa biblia? Iilan na nga lang mga aral niyo sablay pa't wala sa biblia?

Huag maging hipocrito. Yung mga aral niyo ironically unbiblical.

[OrionPax]

Puro Red Herring na ang ibinato... paikot ikot lang

Gulping gulpi na yung SS doctrine eh dedepensahan pa? susme

[ElCid]

Puro Red Herring na ang ibinato... paikot ikot lang

Gulping gulpi na yung SS doctrine eh dedepensahan pa? susme

Dinedepensahan pero di daw niya pinaniniwalaan lols :P. Anak ng pating at anak ng patola lols. Tapos sasabihin pa maski daw puti puede ipagtanggol ang itim wahahaha. So claro di naniniwala si Dess sa SS na ipinagtatanggol niya dahil INADEQUATE DAW. Di daw sapat lumalabas ang aral na ang biblia ay SUFFICIENTE, HULI, TANGI AT PINAKAMATAAS NA AUTORIDAD SA ARAL/PAMUMUHAY CRISTIANO .

OK Fine. Parang gusto ko magtumbling lols.

[Totnak]

Yes I am being sarcastic, and that's it.
what makes you say that I am building my credibility by using sarcasm?

you love making up things.

if RoTers doesn't aspire to build their credibility, then we have a huge problem in here.....

you challenged me alright, AND I HAVE ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT THAT IS CLEAR ENOUGH.

but do not lie by saying you did not highlighted my position on the SS and used it to weaken the article's defense.

sorry but what I highlighted was your contradictory position between the SOLA SCRIPTURA doctrine and the points in the lengthy article you posted....

unless of course if you have issues comprehending my posts...

I have already quoted it and showed it. the more you deny it the more you lose credibility.
unless of course you can explain (and try to escape, which I believe is too late) what you have posted.

you were not able to show and prove anything.....don't flatter yourself.....you're too dumb to be able to do that.....

no I didn't tweak your post, there is no need since it was crystal clear, the problem is, I am confused whether you actually understood your post, or maybe you're the one who's been trying to escape from your pithole you dugged and I uncovered.

liar.....

stop making a big laughing stock of yourself here.....

whatever, now I think you already gave enough trash talk, I think it's time for you start refuting the article. stop procrastinating.

ang b0ba talaga.....

again, which part of "there's no point in refuting something as lengthy as that in a non-formal discussion as it would only create more questions that answers" didn't you understand?

[tonton]

Totnak, I feel your frustration.

[ElCid]

Totnak, I feel your frustration.

Isang kiss at akap lang kayo tumba na kayo lols

[Totnak]

Totnak, I feel your frustration.

yeah Ton....masakit sa ulo

[OrionPax]

ka hunghangan nga eh...anak ng pating talaga...

Inamin na nga nya na self refuting at sablay ang SS...tapos mag popost ng ganito? hindi pala SAPAT eh...dapat SHUT UP na lang di ba?

Eh gagawing avenue lang para mag tapon ng mga usaping HINDI naman sumasagot sa issue.....para lang may patama sa Katolisismo

Nyemas talaga oh....

Dinedepensahan pero di daw niya pinaniniwalaan lols :P. Anak ng pating at anak ng patola lols. Tapos sasabihin pa maski daw puti puede ipagtanggol ang itim wahahaha. So claro di naniniwala si Dess sa SS na ipinagtatanggol niya dahil INADEQUATE DAW. Di daw sapat lumalabas ang aral na ang biblia ay SUFFICIENTE, HULI, TANGI AT PINAKAMATAAS NA AUTORIDAD SA ARAL/PAMUMUHAY CRISTIANO .

OK Fine. Parang gusto ko magtumbling lols.

[the700clowns]

Why this cut and paste that supposedly defends sola scriptura false flat on its face:

1) Christ and the apostles never practiced nor taught sola scriptura. It was only Luther and the Reformers who formulated this doctrine more than 1,500 years after Christ.
2) Before you can practice it - you must first identify what COMPOSES SCRIPTURE - NO BIBLE - NO SOLA SCRIPTURA. But that is not possible using the bible alone since one must appeal to extrabiblical sources i.e. tradition to identify which is scripture and which is not.
3) If Sola Scriptura states that the bible is the ONLY, FINAL, SUFFICIENT AND HIGHEST authority in matters of faith and doctrine then the canon of scripture which is an important and cornerstone doctrine should also be found in scripture. If not then the bible is demonstrably not SUFFICIENT, NOT THE ONLY, NOT THE FINAL AND NOT THE HIGHEST authority in matters of faith and doctrine.
4) If only the bible is the THEOPNEUSTOS or the GOD BREATHE inspired word of God and therefore is the only reliable and innerant source of information for protestants/evangelicals as regards the christian faith then it is imperative to derive the canon of scripture from scripture itself. If such is not the case, there is no certainty therefore for protestants/evangelicals (that was cannibalized by luther) since their canon wasn't derived from the INNERANT (THEOPNEUSTOS) Word of God which is the bible.

That's why in simple terms - sola scriptura is self refuting, untenable and illogical. Not to mention that it wasn't taught by christ and the apostles and never was it practiced by the early christian church.

quetion: ang church ba pwedeng gumawa ng aral o batas na contadicting sa scripture?

[ElCid]

quetion: ang church ba pwedeng gumawa ng aral o batas na contadicting sa scripture?

Hindi. Kadalasan di lang naiintindihan ng tao yung aral ng scripture kaya akala nila contradicting. Magbigay ka ng sample paliliwanag ko sa iyo.

[the700clowns]

Hindi. Kadalasan di lang naiintindihan ng tao yung aral ng scripture kaya akala nila contradicting. Magbigay ka ng sample paliliwanag ko sa iyo.

ok, nagtatanong lang naman ako, hindi naman ako naka attack mode () nung tinanong ko yun , gusto ko lang malinawan ang stand ng RCC.

may dagdag na aral and doctrines ba ang church na wala sa bible ( i mean, dagdag pero hindi contradicting), o nag-iinterpret lang ng bible ang church?

[SmartDessa]

if RoTers doesn't aspire to build their credibility, then we have a huge problem in here.....

that article is not my defense, are you telling me that people should believe in that defense, because I am credible enough to say what they need to believe?

credibility lies on the astute refutations of their institute to pulverize RC arguments, far more sensical than what we have here from RC rotters

sorry but what I highlighted was your contradictory position between the SOLA SCRIPTURA doctrine and the points in the lengthy article you posted....

so why do you have to take my "contradictory" position between the SS and the article? when the objective of this thread is to challenge RCs to counter the article? not my position

and thanks for admitting that indeed you are trying to attack my position, or should I say, contradictory position, by highlighting them.

you were not able to show and prove anything.....don't flatter yourself.....you're too dumb to be able to do that.....

and you're a coward for picking on dumb girls isntead of attacking head on to the article.

liar.....

stop making a big laughing stock of yourself here.....

what is the lie?

ang b0ba talaga.....

again, which part of "there's no point in refuting something as lengthy as that in a non-formal discussion as it would only create more questions that answers" didn't you understand?

oh my Lord, then why are you here?

oh I get it, di mo rin ako matiis.

[SmartDessa]

Hindi. Kadalasan di lang naiintindihan ng tao yung aral ng scripture kaya akala nila contradicting. Magbigay ka ng sample paliliwanag ko sa iyo.

so ang basehan din ay scriptures?

[superlucky20]

All this nitpicking about pork chops! Of course, vegetarians can cook pork chops well. Similarly, atheists can discuss religious topics, too, can they?

[superlucky20]

quetion: ang church ba pwedeng gumawa ng aral o batas na contadicting sa scripture?

Of course it can. And it did in many instances: limbo, purgatory, the Inquisition, praying to Mary, the infallibility of popes, etc., etc. It's too much to ask a man-made institution to make no mistakes ever.

[SmartDessa]

yes! exactly.

so do you like pork chops?

[admiral__cidric]

Clowns, FYI, the bible is based on the teachings of the Church and not the other way around.

ok, nagtatanong lang naman ako, hindi naman ako naka attack mode () nung tinanong ko yun , gusto ko lang malinawan ang stand ng RCC.

may dagdag na aral and doctrines ba ang church na wala sa bible ( i mean, dagdag pero hindi contradicting), o nag-iinterpret lang ng bible ang church?

[superlucky20]

yes! exactly.

so do you like pork chops?

Yes, I do!

[ElCid]

so ang basehan din ay scriptures?

Hindi. We have oral and written tradition 2 Thess 2:15. And these two form a single deposit of faith kaya di kami bible alone.