Chief Justice Corona Impeachment Thread 5

[despisePappus]

So in summary ok lang sa mga TJtards magkaron tayo ng isang chief justice na magtatanga tangahan na lang sa batas at itatago ang mga salapi dahil mayrong conflict sa batas? Anong klaseng chief justice yan? Nakakahiya. If these are the kind of leaders you want in our goverment, then God help our country!

Yeah right. Nagtatanga-tangahan sa batas accdng to someone who does not know his/her law.

[b_9904]

So in summary ok lang sa mga TJtards magkaron tayo ng isang chief justice na magtatanga tangahan na lang sa batas at itatago ang mga salapi dahil mayrong conflict sa batas? Anong klaseng chief justice yan? Nakakahiya. If these are the kind of leaders you want in our goverment, then God help our country!

Counter argument: name ONE saint worthy of the position.

[despisePappus]

galit ka lang sa mga may common sense siguro

Yep galit ako sa mga taong may common sense...

common sense of stup!dity.

If you and Koko were my students, I would have flunked you the very first time I heard your logic. Ayan, nakakahawa ang kaerehan nitong si Koko.

[totben331]

So in summary ok lang sa mga TJtards magkaron tayo ng isang chief justice na magtatanga tangahan na lang sa batas at itatago ang mga salapi dahil mayrong conflict sa batas? Anong klaseng chief justice yan? Nakakahiya. If these are the kind of leaders you want in our goverment, then God help our country!

yan ang gusto ni dispise ... na ***** dapat ang CJ natin...

[kentagon]

Koko failed to consider that if the FCD law guarantees the 100% confidentiality of the dollar deposits (that is nobody is allowed to look into those accounts unless permitted by the depositor), why should he declare it in the SALN which is a public document?

And who died and made Koko a Supreme Court and to tell the Chief Justice that he was wrong in his interpretation of the law? It is the sole duty of the Supreme Court to resolve such issues. I am disappointed with this guy. Masyadong maere.

Yes, FCD guarantees confidentiality... so it's a privilege for CJ, that nobody can look into those accounts unless permitted by the depositor... But since the SALN requires you to "waive that privilege" because it is "your duty", then you must permit the public to look at the total balance (in pesos, ok lang).... not really the transactions, kahit yung balance lang. So duty vs privilege issue rin yan e...

If FCD states na bawal irelease ang kahit anong information even if the depositor himself wants to, then tama si CJ in not disclosing... pero since ang sabi lang ay hindi pwede, unless with the consent of the depositor... then dapat irelease ni CJ (his consent) given na rinerequire siya ng SALN to fill that up.

Mas mahalaga kung tingnan yung intention ng FCD at SALN laws e... yung former, for protection ng industry at for investments, so kahit naman isulat yun ni CJ walang maaffect dun e

On the otherhand, ang purpose naman ng SALN is macompute yung net worth... so kasama diyan yung pera sa dollar accounts. Kung cinompare mo yung dalawang intentions ng law, mas inclined na dapat mong isulat.

Again, hindi impeachable offense yun sa tingin ko, kung walang malice... kaya sana pabuksan ni CJ bukas, para maproove na walang hidden wealth (in line sa purpose ng SALN)...

[hey_u]

galit ka lang sa mga may common sense siguro

you have to understand these corona paid hacks have to earn a living. Unfortunately money cant buy them any commonsense. Ayaw lang talaga paganahin

[b_9904]

Yes, FCD guarantees confidentiality... so it's a privilege for CJ, that nobody can look into those accounts unless permitted by the depositor... But since the SALN requires you to "waive that privilege" because it is "your duty", then you must permit the public to look at the total balance (in pesos, ok lang).... not really the transactions, kahit yung balance lang. So duty vs privilege issue rin yan e...

If FCD states na bawal irelease ang kahit anong information even if the depositor himself wants to, then tama si CJ in not disclosing... pero since ang sabi lang ay hindi pwede, unless with the consent of the depositor... then dapat irelease ni CJ (his consent) given na rinerequire siya ng SALN to fill that up.

Mas mahalaga kung tingnan yung intention ng FCD at SALN laws e... yung former, for protection ng industry at for investments, so kahit naman isulat yun ni CJ walang maaffect dun e

On the otherhand, ang purpose naman ng SALN is macompute yung net worth... so kasama diyan yung pera sa dollar accounts. Kung cinompare mo yung dalawang intentions ng law, mas inclined na dapat mong isulat.

Again, hindi impeachable offense yun sa tingin ko, kung walang malice... kaya sana pabuksan ni CJ bukas, para maproove na walang hidden wealth (in line sa purpose ng SALN)...

Alam ko HIDDEN WEALTH is a non-issue sa impeachment na ito.

[totben331]

Yep galit ako sa mga taong may common sense...

common sense of stup!dity.

If you and Koko were my students, I would have flunked you the very first time I heard your logic. Ayan, nakakahawa ang kaerehan nitong si Koko.

i will not attend your class..i will drop it immediately kasi mali ang itinuturo mo

[despisePappus]

Yes, FCD guarantees confidentiality... so it's a privilege for CJ, that nobody can look into those accounts unless permitted by the depositor... But since the SALN requires you to "waive that privilege" because it is "your duty", then you must permit the public to look at the total balance (in pesos, ok lang).... not really the transactions, kahit yung balance lang. So duty vs privilege issue rin yan e...

If FCD states na bawal irelease ang kahit anong information even if the depositor himself wants to, then tama si CJ in not disclosing... pero since ang sabi lang ay hindi pwede, unless with the consent of the depositor... then dapat irelease ni CJ (his consent) given na rinerequire siya ng SALN to fill that up.

Mas mahalaga kung tingnan yung intention ng FCD at SALN laws e... yung former, for protection ng industry at for investments, so kahit naman isulat yun ni CJ walang maaffect dun e

On the otherhand, ang purpose naman ng SALN is macompute yung net worth... so kasama diyan yung pera sa dollar accounts. Kung cinompare mo yung dalawang intentions ng law, mas inclined na dapat mong isulat.

Again, hindi impeachable offense yun sa tingin ko, kung walang malice... kaya sana pabuksan ni CJ bukas, para maproove na walang hidden wealth (in line sa purpose ng SALN)...

I am not saying that's a wrong interpretation of the two laws.

I was just disappointed with the arrogance that this Koko displayed. He's no Supreme Court.

By the way, the spirit of the law could be defeated if the two laws were not properly written.

Since there are conflicts, the only course of action is to bring up this case to Supreme Court to once and for all decide with finality.

Another course of action is to amend one or both laws.

[despisePappus]

i will not attend your class..i will drop it immediately kasi mali ang itinuturo mo

You really can't attend my class. You won't pass the entrance exam.

[kentagon]

Common sense ba yan? Di nakita ang conflict nung dalawang batas?

If the depositor does not consent disclosure of the dollar accounts, why should he be compelled to declare such in his SALN?

Ganito kasi yan e...

Ang ipublicize kung ilan ang anak mo, ang address mo, at kung ano ang mga real estates mo... ay dapat may consent mo... at privilege mo rin yan na hindi ishare sa iba... rights mo yan to privacy e... so itong FCD law na yan, ganyan din ang sinasabi... na may rights ka to confidentiality... at dapat may consent mo

Ngayon, pumasok ka sa gobyerno ay may SALN, automatically, by your consent... mapupublicize ang info kung ilan ang anak mo (below 18), yung mga real estates mo etc. in short, yung rights mo to privacy and confidentiality pagdating sa mga ganyan, ay winawaive mo na...

So pagdating din sa foreign currency, ganun din... same treatment! Hindi sinasabi ng FCD na bawal mo ipakita yung accounts mo kahit na gusto mo... ang sabi lang, bawal ipakita hangga't walang permission mo... hangga't walang consent...

Kung sa ari-arian nagconsent kang isulat... bakit hindi mo ibibgay ang consent mo pagdating sa dollar accounts? Yun po ang issue...

[gUy^]

sana bukas na para malaman na ano mangyayari.
cant wait

[totben331]

You really can't attend my class. You won't pass the entrance exam.

kung kagaya mo ang titser ko, malamang nga di ako makapasa sa **** anong exam...titser na walang alam eh...

[kentagon]

Alam ko HIDDEN WEALTH is a non-issue sa impeachment na ito.

Yes, a non-issue... inaamin mong hindi mo nalagay sa SALN, pero ang tanong impeachable offense ba o hindi?

I think impeachable kung may malice... kung walang malice, then hindi impeachable

The only way to show na walang malice, aside from explaining yung reason... is to make it airtight... ipakita na wala kang hidden wealth... by showing your accounts and transactions na rin. kasi ang intent ng SALN after all ay to monitor kung may hidden wealth, or maging basis in determining that.

[hey_u]

Well if all those TJtards here really believe that dollars account should not be included in their assets then so be it. I cant do anything about it.

But if you just go outside tjtard dominated pex, you have to be honest that majority believe otherwise. Sa opisina, sa canteen, sa palengke, sa radyo, sa mga newspaper, sa mga komentaryo ng mga lawyers, at iba pa. Kahit anong angulo, mali talaga.

[despisePappus]

Ganito kasi yan e...

Ang ipublicize kung ilan ang anak mo, ang address mo, at kung ano ang mga real estates mo... ay dapat may consent mo... at privilege mo rin yan na hindi ishare sa iba... rights mo yan to privacy e... so itong FCD law na yan, ganyan din ang sinasabi... na may rights ka to confidentiality... at dapat may consent mo

Ngayon, pumasok ka sa gobyerno ay may SALN, automatically, by your consent... mapupublicize ang info kung ilan ang anak mo (below 18), yung mga real estates mo etc. in short, yung rights mo to privacy and confidentiality pagdating sa mga ganyan, ay winawaive mo na...

So pagdating din sa foreign currency, ganun din... same treatment! Hindi sinasabi ng FCD na bawal mo ipakita yung accounts mo kahit na gusto mo... ang sabi lang, bawal ipakita hangga't walang permission mo... hangga't walang consent...

Kung sa ari-arian nagconsent kang isulat... bakit hindi mo ibibgay ang consent mo pagdating sa dollar accounts? Yun po ang issue...

That's one way of looking at it.

Another way is that the law guarantees 100% confidentiality of the dollar accounts. Hence, he is not obligated to declare such in any public document.

The FCD law does not discriminate between private and government employee.

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FCD law over SALN Law

or

SALN law over FcD Law


You cannot fault a government official whose understanding of the law is that FCD law should supersede the SALN law.

Resolve this matter first at the Supreme Court.

[Jill123]

kung kagaya mo ang titser ko, malamang nga di ako makapasa sa **** anong exam...titser na walang alam eh...

grabe nagwawala na ito. puro nonsense na ang sinasabi.

[despisePappus]

kung kagaya mo ang titser ko, malamang nga di ako makapasa sa **** anong exam...titser na walang alam eh...

Di magkatugma ang thoughts mo dito... di ka nga papasa sa entrance exam.

[kentagon]

I am not saying that's a wrong interpretation of the two laws.

I was just disappointed with the arrogance that this Koko displayed. He's no Supreme Court.

By the way, the spirit of the law could be defeated if the two laws were not properly written.

Since there are conflicts, the only course of action is to bring up this case to Supreme Court to once and for all decide with finality.

Another course of action is to amend one or both laws.

I think hindi nagconflict ang dalawang laws.

Conflict siya kung in one law you are required to publicize your accounts (with your consent, implicitly ganun na yan e), and in another law, you are prohibited to publicize your accounts even with your consent... this is clear contradiction

Pero ang sabi naman ng FCD, you are not prohibited, kasi may consent mo... kaya ang tanong na lang, bakit hindi ka nagconsent, when SALN law tells you na dapat kang magconsent?

Again, hindi pinipilit ng SALN na ilabas mo, you have the option not to, pero di ka na sana magtatrabaho sa gov... or kung ganun talaga ang view mo sa FCD, then edi ilipat mo yung dollars mo to pesos, para wala ka ng issue roon...

[despisePappus]

Well if all those TJtards here really believe that dollars account should not be included in their assets then so be it. I cant do anything about it.

But if you just go outside tjtard dominated pex, you have to be honest that majority believe otherwise. Sa opisina, sa canteen, sa palengke, sa radyo, sa mga newspaper, sa mga komentaryo ng mga lawyers, at iba pa. Kahit anong angulo, mali talaga.

Argumentum ad populum

What the majority say is right?

Ano ito? Rule of mob?

I don't give a fvck what the majority say. This is a question of law and only the Supreme Court is given by our constitution the sole duty to resolve it.