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  • Convicted

    48 20.96%
  • Acquited

    181 79.04%
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  1. #4981
    Quote Originally Posted by oranger3 View Post
    "Dumami sana ang mga Joshua sa angkan ng mga Aquino."

    I did not go too much to read the news and blogs after the CJ was convicted because am so furious of Penoy and his operators. The most i could do is say these words in disgust.
    This is one of the most insensitive comments I read in this forum. Is there really a need for you to mention the kid (and hint about his condition) just to show your disgust?

    very pathetic...

  2. #4982
    Quote Originally Posted by oranger3 View Post
    "Dumami sana ang mga Joshua sa angkan ng mga Aquino."

    I did not go too much to read the news and blogs after the CJ was convicted because am so furious of Penoy and his operators. The most i could do is say these words in disgust.
    Wag mo na dagdagan ang curse na iniwan ni Quezon sa atin.

  3. #4983
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    It’s all over: Anatomy of a checkmate
    by Dean Tony La Viña

    Yesteday afternoon, the Senate acting as the impeachment court decisively handed down a guilty verdict in the impeachment case of Renato Corona. With a vote of 20 senator-judges in favor and 3 senator-judges against, the impeachment court judged Mr Corona guilty of Article II of the Articles of Impeachment filed by the House of Representatives and voted to remove him from his position as Chief Justice.

    The decision was arrived at after 5 months of trial which saw evidence presented, documents produced, and testimony offered, including Corona’s. The decision was arrived at after due deliberation by the senator-judges, to whom the solemn decision was entrusted by the people – through the Constitution.

    This is my first attempt to analyze yesterday’s May 29 decisions and what led to them. In my Eagle Eyes column Tuesday in the Manila Standard entitled, “Not yet over,” I actually thought that this might go to the Supreme Court. But Monday’s closing arguments and yesterday’s proceedings practically ensured the end. The individual and collective reasoning of the senator-judges, how they arrived at their decisions, and the acceptance by Mr Corona of the verdict indicated a finale.
    http://www.rappler.com/thought-leade...of-a-checkmate


  4. #4984
    Quote Originally Posted by peterin View Post
    @xpact83

    I think what you are saying is that the SALN Law removed the official's choice in shintaro76's "MAY NOT".

    Is that correct?

    @empoy
    This what I was driving at,.
    I was lost before, akala ko comparison ng specific law at general law.

    But this may help regarding the rules between GENERAL and SPECIAL law.
    To more specific dun sa sinabi ko before (linabas ko na libro ko) just for information (this is why we are here in PEX, to learn from each other and not mag-away):

    If the general law was enacted after the special law, the special law remains unless:

    a) there is an express declaration to the contrary

    b) or there is a clear, necessary and unreconcilable conflict

    c) or unless the subsequent general law covers the whole subject and is clearly intended to replace the special law on the matter.


    Now, here we go. BOTH SALN law and FCDA are SPECIAL LAWS. Kaya rules i stated before and above dont apply. The relationship of the 2 laws cannot be that of special-general or specific-general kasi neither of the 2 are general rule. When we say general law, those are laws natin na naka "CODAL" which is gawa ng Code Commission and not the Congress. Examples are Revised Penal Code and our New Civil Code.

    Now, ano gagamitin natin? We use Art 7 of the New Civil Code, which states:

    "Laws are repealed only by subsequent ones, ....."

    Laws are repealed:
    a) Expressly
    b) or impliedly (insofar as there are inconsistencies between a prior and a subsequent law)

    Now, obviously there is no express repeal of the FCDA due to the SALN law kasi wala namang nakasulat dun eh. It did not even mention FCDA. Your claim or "repeal" is based on IMPLIED REPEAL kasi there is a perceived conflict between the 2 laws.

    But the Supreme Court in the case of U.S vs Palacio (33 Phil. 208) held that:

    "Implied repeals are not looked upon with favor"

    So you can't really castigate Corona if he sticks to his interpretation of FCDA despite of SALN Law. Walang express repeal eh. Implied repeals can only be 100% obligatory if there is already a jurisprudence acknowledging such implied repeal. Kaso wala eh!

    Art 526 (NCC):

    " ....... Mistake upon a doubtful or difficult question of law may be the basis of good faith"


    Art 527 (NCC):

    "Good faith is always presumed, and upon him who alleges bad faith on the part of a possessor rests the burden of proof"

    My point here is that Corona acted in good faith and his good faith is presumed by law. It is the prosecution's job to overcome such presumption. Na-overcome ba ng prosecution ang presumption? No! If Corona acted in good faith, he cannot be held liable. This is the basis of Bongbong Marcos for his acquittal.

  5. #4985
    For your benefit. Bigyan kita ng sample...

    Sa school may policy/rule na NO EXAM, NO GRADE. Kapag di ka nakapag-exam, wala kang grade. Pero yung prof naglabas ng list of exempted at kasama ka doon. Pwede kang magtake ng exam pero mas pinili mong wag na dahil gusto mong lasapin ang pribilehiyong ibinigay ng prof mo. Kung aanalisahin mo, wala ka dapat grade dahil hindi ka naman kumuha ng exam. Pero dahil may exemption sa rule na iyon, meron ka pa ring grade.

    Sa RA6426, pwedeng ilabas at pwede ring hindi ilabas ng depositor ang kanyang fcd depende sa gusto nya. Kaya nga kailangan pa ng sulat nya na nagpapahintulot.





    Quote Originally Posted by Kray0n View Post
    tagalog na lang muna ha, parang hirap eh. ano ba po ba kuya, pwede ba o di pwedeng i-divulge ang fcd?

    kuha mo po pa kuya?

  6. #4986
    Quote Originally Posted by peterin View Post
    Hopefully, OCCM will find all evidences needed to recommend forfieture of all "unexplained wealth" in his and those stashed in dummies' names. I hope she pursues the assets withdrawn from his accounts that appear to have been stashed somewhere.

    She has now a powerful tool, the CJ's waiver to open all the CJ's 82 accounts, get statements of accounts, then research every transaction to get to the bottom of things.

    Could it be that the CJ is offering the $2.4m and P80m - P35m as "compromise" forfieture figure?

    Do you really believe Corona has 82 dollar accounts? Obvious naman na na-derive ang 82 from the total number all his dollar accounts in the past almost all of them are closed na kasi nilipat na sa ibang accounts o nag-mature na yung time deposit. I dont think na hindi yun alam ni
    Carpio-Morales kasi its simple logic and common sense. She didnt lie in the witness stand but she stated things in a broader way at nagmamaang-maangan by using words which implies unsureness like "it seems" just to stir controversy. There is really an effort to exaggerate things from the administration.

  7. #4987
    Quote Originally Posted by pollywog View Post
    Again, no need. Being ousted as "The" Chief Justice is quite enough. It's an overkill already if we ask for his head.


    Nope!!! i thought you guys want accountability. Come on, simulan na ang gyera sa Sandiganbayan.

  8. #4988
    si Noynoy Kalbo na ang nagsabi na kung political vendetta lang ito, tapos na ang istorya ni Corona sa pagpapatalsik sa kanya. Pero alam natin na political vendetta nga lang talaga ito. Pero mukhang kailangan nga talagang panindigan na hindi ito political vendetta, kaya huwag na tayong magulat kung magsasampa ng kaso sa Sandiganbayan.

  9. #4989
    Quote Originally Posted by Roborat9 View Post
    As I said why dont you file a case against him rather than posing it here??? If you have qualms about the actions being taken against him why dont you waltz up into the house of congress and ask your representative of your district and point it out to him that he should be remove from office....you are free to do that this is a free country and the congressman of your district is liable to listen to your concern...Act first before you complain..nothing can be done if you wont file a complaint against him...
    Errrr.... We each have our own lives and don't have time to even file a complaint. He would also need to spend for the lawyer if he would do what you are asking him to do. Its not impossible but impractical for lowly citizens like us. So just let him rant about it here.

  10. #4990
    ^^ para sa bayan at katotohanan yan sila.. pero ang mantra nila ngayon eh 'kasuhan niyo muna'.. bwahahahaha.. ang pagka-ipokrito nga naman.. pipirma lang ng waiver kailangan pa kasuhan.. motto dati ng pnoy pex fans ang 'kung walang itinatago di matatakot'.. pero ngayon natapos na si corona, nag-iba ang ihip ng hangin..

  11. #4991
    Quote Originally Posted by h0lysh|tyousuck View Post
    ^^ para sa bayan at katotohanan yan sila.. pero ang mantra nila ngayon eh 'kasuhan niyo muna'.. bwahahahaha.. ang pagka-ipokrito nga naman.. pipirma lang ng waiver kailangan pa kasuhan.. motto dati ng pnoy pex fans ang 'kung walang itinatago di matatakot'.. pero ngayon natapos na si corona, nag-iba ang ihip ng hangin..
    Anong gagawin mo kapag hindi sila pumirma ng waiver?

  12. #4992
    Quote Originally Posted by epoymananaho View Post
    Errrr.... We each have our own lives and don't have time to even file a complaint. He would also need to spend for the lawyer if he would do what you are asking him to do. Its not impossible but impractical for lowly citizens like us. So just let him rant about it here.
    Uunlad nga ang Pilipinas kung wala tayong gagawin tapos puro tayo reklamo.

  13. #4993
    Quote Originally Posted by oranger3 View Post
    "Dumami sana ang mga Joshua sa angkan ng mga Aquino."

    I did not go too much to read the news and blogs after the CJ was convicted because am so furious of Penoy and his operators. The most i could do is say these words in disgust.
    I see what you did there.

  14. #4994
    lets move on

    ....ang matyagan natin ngayon kung sino ang susunod na kapalit ni CORONA

  15. #4995
    Quote Originally Posted by ErwinSBathan View Post
    Uunlad nga ang Pilipinas kung wala tayong gagawin tapos puro tayo reklamo.
    Im more concerned about my family and my future.
    Bakit naman ako aasa sa gobyerno? I can talk all i want, this is a free country, I can do what i want. Uunahin ko sarili ko bago yung politika. Makikialam ako personally sa politika tapos sarila ko hindi ko maasikaso. I would do our government and our country much favor kung uunahin ko sarili ko at hindi aasa.

  16. #4996
    Quote Originally Posted by beybiJAMES View Post
    lets move on

    ....ang matyagan natin ngayon kung sino ang susunod na kapalit ni CORONA
    Medyo naka move on na mga pro Corona dito gaya ko i think but debates para ma exercise ang utak wont hurt..

  17. #4997
    Quote Originally Posted by beybiJAMES View Post
    lets move on

    ....ang matyagan natin ngayon kung sino ang susunod na kapalit ni CORONA
    wala kasing maayos na oposisyon ngayon sa kongreso para maghain ng impeachment sa sino mang papalit na hindi karapat-dapat. sabihin na natin na merong concerned citizen na mag file ng complaint supported by 1 opposition congressman, eh baka sa committee level pa lang lacking in substance na. tapos once a year lang pwede. kahit anong pagmamatyag gagawin mo, wala ka na magagawa kasi hindi santo si penoy para panagutin niya ang kanyang mga kaalyado.

  18. #4998
    Quote Originally Posted by manubol_rama View Post
    wala kasing maayos na oposisyon ngayon sa kongreso para maghain ng impeachment sa sino mang papalit na hindi karapat-dapat. sabihin na natin na merong concerned citizen na mag file ng complaint supported by 1 opposition congressman, eh baka sa committee level pa lang lacking in substance na. tapos once a year lang pwede. kahit anong pagmamatyag gagawin mo, wala ka na magagawa kasi hindi santo si penoy para panagutin niya ang kanyang mga kaalyado.
    true, but konting trivia. the filing of impeachment only became a joke during the time of gluerya. the opposition has indeed a credible case to impeach her, but since gluerya was the pioneer in prostituting every institution, she found a way to make the tongressman lick her a-ss and educated the public that impeachment is ABOUT A NUMBERS GAME.

    so ngaayon the table is turned, sino ang nagrereklamo ngayon? di ba mga galamay ni gluerya?

    karma is a *****.

    thanks to gluerya lahat ng kataran-tada-han nya balik sa kanya at sa galamay nya.


  19. #4999
    Quote Originally Posted by epoymananaho View Post
    Im more concerned about my family and my future.
    Bakit naman ako aasa sa gobyerno? I can talk all i want, this is a free country, I can do what i want. Uunahin ko sarili ko bago yung politika. Makikialam ako personally sa politika tapos sarila ko hindi ko maasikaso. I would do our government and our country much favor kung uunahin ko sarili ko at hindi aasa.
    "Ask not what your country can do for you...ask what you can do for your country"
    -JFK

  20. #5000
    Quote Originally Posted by sink View Post
    true, but konting trivia. the filing of impeachment only became a joke during the time of gluerya. the opposition has indeed a credible case to impeach her, but since gluerya was the pioneer in prostituting every institution, she found a way to make the tongressman lick her a-ss and educated the public that impeachment is ABOUT A NUMBERS GAME.

    so ngaayon the table is turned, sino ang nagrereklamo ngayon? di ba mga galamay ni gluerya?

    karma is a *****.

    thanks to gluerya lahat ng kataran-tada-han nya balik sa kanya at sa galamay nya.

    meron pa ba siyang galamay sa HOR ngayon? balita ko sa loob yung mga remaining lakas eh tatalon sa kampo ni Binay before 2013 elections. diyan mo makikita na walang permanenteng kaalyado sa pulitika. only permanent interests. hindi si gma nagpa-uso niyan.

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