Are you in favor of Same Sex Marriage?

[LITHIUM478]

Marriage is simply an agreement of exclusivity. That either party has right and responsibility over the other. That is the same reason there is a contract being signed on every marriage.

Rearing of kids is just incidental.

[tonton]

Hindi kamanyakan?

Not only wives, but concubines and princesses (whatever those are) too.

wala naman sinabi sa Bible na menyak siya e :/

I see. He must be a person of good moral character despite hundreds of chicks.

[matangkahoy]

^ Especially if god is present everytime he's screwing them.

[tonton]

^ Especially if god is present everytime he's screwing them.

He was punished for idol worship. Kawawa naman.

[archnemeziz]

Marriage has always between male and female. Should they decide to have a family later on, their reproductive organs are there to provide them that. If they are infertile, they can always adopt kids who will grow up in a "normal" I stress "NORMAL" family environment.

First of all, what qualifies a 'normal' family environment? Ask any psychologist, anthropologist, or sociologist and they'll tell you that a 'normal' family doesn't exist. What we conceive as 'normal' is 'traditional' nuclear family (i.e., first conjugal couple cohabiting with biological children). Stressing the biological part is important: basing on the assumption that 'normal' is 'traditional', any heterosexual couple (or homosexual couple for that matter) who have non-biological children (through adoption or previous marriage) are otherwise not considered 'normal'.

In contemporary societies, this traditional notion of family is no longer the norm: think about single-parent families, for instance. These families are relegated as 'abnormal' or 'pathological' simply because they don't fit this 'traditional' notion.

Ask any gay-identified person you know and I assure you that 99.9% grew up in so-called 'traditional' families.

Other than this is an abnormality. An abhorrence to society. I'm sure you sodomites if given a chance to live life all over again, all you ever wish for is to be normal (either a guy or a girl) and not gay. I've asked this directly to many sodomites, and they gave me the same answer. It's a discrimination to oneself and you guys know very well you're abnormal.

I just can't help but laugh at this assumption. Can you provide some statistical data to back this up?

[mccallister]

On the order of 1,400 legal rights are conferred upon married couples in the U.S. Typically these are composed of about 400 state benefits and over 1,000 federal benefits. Among them are the rights to:

• joint parenting;
• joint adoption;
• joint foster care, custody, and visitation (including non-biological parents);
• status as next-of-kin for hospital visits and medical decisions where one partner is too ill to be competent;
• joint insurance policies for home, auto and health;
• dissolution and divorce protections such as community property and child support;
• immigration and residency for partners from other countries;
• inheritance automatically in the absence of a will;
• joint leases with automatic renewal rights in the event one partner dies or leaves the house or apartment;
• inheritance of jointly-owned real and personal property through the right of survivorship (which avoids the time and expense and taxes in probate);
• benefits such as annuities, pension plans, Social Security, and Medicare;
• spousal exemptions to property tax increases upon the death of one partner who is a co-owner of the home;
• veterans' discounts on medical care, education, and home loans; joint filing of tax returns;
• joint filing of customs claims when traveling;
• wrongful death benefits for a surviving partner and children;
• bereavement or sick leave to care for a partner or child;
• decision-making power with respect to whether a deceased partner will be cremated or not and where to bury him or her;
• crime victims' recovery benefits;
• loss of consortium tort benefits;
• domestic violence protection orders;
• judicial protections and evidentiary immunity;
• and more....

Most of these legal and economic benefits cannot be privately arranged or contracted for. For example, absent a legal (or civil) marriage, there is no guaranteed joint responsibility to the partner and to third parties (including children) in such areas as child support, debts to creditors, taxes, etc. In addition, private employers and institutions often give other economic privileges and other benefits (special rates or memberships) only to married couples. And, of course, when people cannot marry, they are denied all the emotional and social benefits and responsibilities of marriage as well.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/mar_bene.htm

We have similar benefits for married couples in the Philippines.

A question to those against same-sex marriages:

Why/how do you have the heart to deprive homosexuals the same benefits for their personal happiness and security; when that same god you pray to can't even grant our dirt-poor countrymen a decent life even if you pray your a$$ off?

If the gays are given this kind of privilege, so do must the heterosexuals. May mga magkaibigan na kapwa lalaki o babae na nagsasama ng habang buhay at ito ay nangyayari namang talaga at tumatagal ng habang buhay hindi katulad ng mga nasa 3rd sex.

[Ateo]

It is must be bewildering and uncomfortable to be conservative and intolerant nowadays. For one, here is a US president who support gays to marry with gays. Then a Philippine Supreme Court authorizing a gay political party para magladlad. Then a global mega entertainer comes to the Philippines and claims that she is "born to be that way". Then militant groups and rights advocate eager to defend the rights of gays. Then, the Miss Universe pageant allowing a male transgender to join the pageant. Then influential cities/states like New York proudly passing a law legalizing same-sex marriage. And then atheist groups successfully banning prayers in schools while allowing gay organizations to organize in schools. And finally the United Nations declaring that while blasphemy is a human right, sexual preference is a human right too.

Omigosh! What can a poor bigot do these days?

[ElCid]

It is must be bewildering and uncomfortable to be conservative and intolerant nowadays. For one, here is a US president who support gays to marry with gays. Then a Philippine Supreme Court authorizing a gay political party para magladlad. Then a global mega entertainer comes to the Philippines and claims that she is "born to be that way". Then militant groups and rights advocate eager to defend the rights of gays. Then, the Miss Universe pageant allowing a male transgender to join the pageant. Then influential cities/states like New York proudly passing a law legalizing same-sex marriage. And then atheist groups successfully banning prayers in schools while allowing gay organizations to organize in schools. And finally the United Nations declaring that while blasphemy is a human right, sexual preference is a human right too.

Omigosh! What can a poor bigot do these days?

Kaya nga sabi ko ok lang saken kung may mga taong gusto magtirahan sa wetpax. Di ko naman sila maaawat in the first place even if I wanted to di ba ? Saka wetpax naman nila yun. So basta huag lang ako yung titirahin sa wetpax ano naman paki namin kung ganun ? Karapatan nila kung ano gagawin nila sa wetpax nila. Meron pa nga gay diba nagsaksak ng isang bote sa loob ng wetpax inopera pa sa utube pa kitang kita hinugot lols. But of course that doesn't mean that we can't give a warning that those actions are morally bad. They can make it legal though but that doesn't mean that the action is moral. I have already made a distinction. :P

[pilotmarker]

First of all, what qualifies a 'normal' family environment? Ask any psychologist, anthropologist, or sociologist and they'll tell you that a 'normal' family doesn't exist.

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What I'm simply pointing at is this - a normal family unit: Father, Mother, and Children, other than this is abnormal. It's a no brainer. It doesn't matter if the couples don't marry, live in a broken family, wife beating husband, womanizer, drunk mother, single parent, criminals, or drug addicts, its still family. The kids can recognize who is their father (the male) and their mother (the female) who brought them to this world and not from a sodomistic union for even in nature the union doesn't happen.

Don't try to insert "homosexual" family unit as "normal" and force us to accept it, because there's no such thing. It's idiotic. You're living in a fantasy sodomistic world. It's abhorrent to even think about that. Don't pervert and rearrange the "NORMAL" family unit and include "homosexual" family unit as "NORMAL". Even a 9 year old can recognize what is seriously wrong with this. Its the same as having pigs as parents who took care of an abandoned baby in a forest and when that baby grew up, he recognized them as his parents and started to "Oink" and eat whatever manure the pig was eating. This is not "NORMAL", just as a "HOMOSEXUAL" family unit is not normal. It is "ABNORAL" and "ABHORRENT".

I just can't help but laugh at this assumption. Can you provide some statistical data to back this up?

You can ask yourself. No need for stats.

Do you in your right "NORMAL" mind, if given a chance would want to live again as a SODOMITE? Do you honestly want to live again as a GAY person?

If your answer is YES, then, you my friend, is a certified MORON.

[SmartDessa]

^ Especially if god is present everytime he's screwing them.

not graphically "screwing" them, but his extramarital affairs are even written in the Bible. a Holy book.

[archnemeziz]

What I'm simply pointing at is this - a normal family unit: Father, Mother, and Children, other than this is abnormal. It's a no brainer. It doesn't matter if the couples don't marry, live in a broken family, wife beating husband, womanizer, drunk mother, single parent, criminals, or drug addicts, its still family. The kids can recognize who is their father (the male) and their mother (the female) who brought them to this world and not from a sodomistic union for even in nature the union doesn't happen.

According to your formulation, a family can be 'normal' and be tolerated by the society even if there is domestic abuse present? What kind of 'normality' is this?

Don't try to insert "homosexual" family unit as "normal" and force us to accept it, because there's no such thing. It's idiotic. You're living in a fantasy sodomistic world. It's abhorrent to even think about that. Don't pervert and rearrange the "NORMAL" family unit and include "homosexual" family unit as "NORMAL". Even a 9 year old can recognize what is seriously wrong with this. Its the same as having pigs as parents who took care of an abandoned baby in a forest and when that baby grew up, he recognized them as his parents and started to "Oink" and eat whatever manure the pig was eating. This is not "NORMAL", just as a "HOMOSEXUAL" family unit is not normal. It is "ABNORAL" and "ABHORRENT".

I'm just simply showing that what we view as 'normal' is incoherent, unstable, and not universal.

You can ask yourself. No need for stats.

Do you in your right "NORMAL" mind, if given a chance would want to live again as a SODOMITE? Do you honestly want to live again as a GAY person?

If your answer is YES, then, you my friend, is a certified MORON.

Argumentum ad hominem. Let's try to keep this debate as respectful as possible. Please don't call me a moron just because I requested you back up your claim with data, no need to call me a moron

[kulaifu]

http://www.facebook.com/allen0713/posts/3671306355587


hindi sya pabor....

[Ateo]

Let's try to keep this debate as respectful as possible. Please don't call me a moron just because I requested you back up your claim with data, no need to call me a moron

Pilotmarker is merely a troll, perhaps one of those previous trolls. That is obvious by the fact that he/she endorsed abusive families as normal.

[Ferdinand]

My problem with gay marriage is the BIG possibility that when it becomes a law then chaplains may be required to marry gays, just like the Obama care requiring catholic institutions to provide contraceptives to their employees.

[archnemeziz]

My problem with gay marriage is the BIG possibility that when it becomes a law then chaplains may be required to marry gays, just like the Obama care requiring catholic institutions to provide contraceptives to their employees.

In the Canadian case, this was resolved by guaranteeing that religious officials are not required to perform marriages if it goes against their religious beliefs.

[ElCid]

My problem with gay marriage is the BIG possibility that when it becomes a law then chaplains may be required to marry gays, just like the Obama care requiring catholic institutions to provide contraceptives to their employees.

There is separation of church and state.

[goat1230]

There is separation of church and state.

which doesn't happen in the PI unfortunately

[goat1230]

If the gays are given this kind of privilege, so do must the heterosexuals. May mga magkaibigan na kapwa lalaki o babae na nagsasama ng habang buhay at ito ay nangyayari namang talaga at tumatagal ng habang buhay hindi katulad ng mga nasa 3rd sex.

heterosexuals HAVE these benefits, what you are saying however, is not marriage/union but partnership. hindi naman related but you have a point.

[Ateo]

There is separation of church and state.

Hmpz! If I were still available, then I would think of ElCid as a gallant knight of diversity. But I am already taken.

[Ateo]

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg...5gdro1_500.png

Now, even the dictionary is being changed on the definition of marriage.