Was Jesus the Messiah or God?

[marcus_hunt]

A god dying on the cross, ala sacrificial lamb, to save mankind... barbaric. Bentang benta yan nuon kasi common naman yang sacrifice sacrifice na ganyan. Accepted na ngayon kasi religion na. Wag na magtanong, sumunod na lang.
Eating wafer and wine, believing it is true flesh and blood of god... canibalism/vampirism. Pero wala sila nakikitang mali dahil religion nila yan.

[SmartDessa]

Just like how muslims claim that Mohammed is the last prophet... oh so typical.

If you can just step back and look at the whole gamut of beliefs, you'll realize that this whole doctrine of original sin and how Jesus is atonement for it is as totally ludicrous and arbitrary an invention as any other cult belief you can point out to. Really just as absurd as Scientology's Xenu belief or David Icke's lizardmen story.

well the muslim's Mohammad, was the Last prophet
Jesus Christ, was the ONLY Messiah.

there's a difference there.

how arbitrary is the gospel, to Xenu and to Icke's lizardmen? or are you just trying to BS the readers by showing off some cool terms you don't even undertsand?

after every violent remark, try to remind yourself to present a valid and feasible support or explanation. please.

Just a lot of meaningless cultic mumblings for me.

that was so simple even a 3-4 year old kid can understand.

Yeah, that sounds even worse!

but there is only one God!
it's either you become another god (false god), or be the real God.

Now I'm completely confused. If you want to "become God" and you want to "express and glorify God" then how is that not wanting to "express and glorify" yourself?!?

how can you express yourself when you are expressing God?
or perhaps you want to express God in your way, or the way you want it. that's satanic.

well, practically speaking, if you are one with God, mingled with God, then you become God, and since you become God, a new being, absent of the old self. so everytime you express your new being, then you are also expressing God. The Old nature has no room in this expression.

You've got to go back to the drawing board and come up with a new set of doctrines, because at this point it's a terrible mess...

which is/are?

Another day, another new term: "regeneration". I just realized that the protestant-derived cults are not that different from the catholics who they hated and split away from... they're both just full of invented crap.

really, you haven't heard of regenartion?

this is one of the truths that Roman Catholics and Protestants share.

in Christ, there is unity!

Dessa, whatever prayer/bible study group you have joined, I really think you guys have fallen into the rabbit hole of cults and cultic beliefs. Now you're railing against christianity and you've got pink elephants...

well, in case you didn't know, I am and have been overcoming degraded christianity

even by uttering the word christianity makes me quirk, it sounds like vanity.

it is Christ, made vain, by attempting to organize Christ.

and btw, I am using the pink elephant in the room idiom in the context, I'm not referring to drunkenness.

I think historically, there is nothing new with what is happening here... When people are not guided, they pick up and/or invent all sorts of weirdo beliefs. The proliferation of cults since time immemorial attests to this. It doesn't matter which religious figure they cleave to, "Jesus", "Zoroaster"... etc... Sometimes the strong hand of religio-political control establishes a firm (but not necessarily correct) hand such as we saw with the Vatican and the Islamic establishment during their heydays. But in this intellectually freer age we live in, everyone is free to come up with their own cult du jour.

God guides us in the light of His Word and through His sanctifying Spirit
you are mistaken that we are not guided?

[Frank_Macky]

^ hehe forget it, you're totally gone.

[tonton]

^ hehe forget it, you're totally gone.

I feel you.

[SmartDessa]

how convenient.

[tonton]

how convenient.

Yes it is. Frank said the right thing.

[SmartDessa]

yeah, very convenient for him to not stand up for what he started.

[Frank_Macky]

yeah, very convenient for him to not stand up for what he started.

And how convenient for you that you can just mutter whatever nonsense and believe that it passes of as "reasoning".

[tonton]

yeah, very convenient for him to not stand up for what he started.

Of course, you should know when to give up. He possibly cannot win an argument against you. Nobody can.

[tonton]

And how convenient for you that you can just mutter whatever nonsense and believe that it passes of as "reasoning".

..and she actually thinks you're stumped.

[SmartDessa]

And how convenient for you that you can just mutter whatever nonsense and believe that it passes of as "reasoning".

..and she actually thinks you're stumped.

oh, not really,

of course Frank's not stumped.

he's just irresponsible and not manly enough to support his accusations.

basta lang banat ng banat, wala namang explanation.

[ebragais]

KUNG DIOS BAKIT TINATABLAHAN NG PAGKAGUTOM, PAGKAUHAW AT PAGKAMATAY....

Luk 23:46 At si Jesus, na sumigaw ng malakas na tinig, ay nagsabi, Ama, sa mga kamay mo ay ipinagtatagubilin ko ang aking espiritu: at pagkasabi nito, ay nalagot ang hininga.

KUNG MESSIAH EH DI HINDI DIOS......

Joh 7:16 Sinagot nga sila ni Jesus, at sinabi, Ang turo ko ay hindi akin, kundi doon sa nagsugo sa akin.

[sugargame]

KUNG DIOS BAKIT TINATABLAHAN NG PAGKAGUTOM, PAGKAUHAW AT PAGKAMATAY....

Luk 23:46 At si Jesus, na sumigaw ng malakas na tinig, ay nagsabi, Ama, sa mga kamay mo ay ipinagtatagubilin ko ang aking espiritu: at pagkasabi nito, ay nalagot ang hininga.

KUNG MESSIAH EH DI HINDI DIOS......

Joh 7:16 Sinagot nga sila ni Jesus, at sinabi, Ang turo ko ay hindi akin, kundi doon sa nagsugo sa akin.

Aha! A Muslim coming to the aid of the atheists! Borrowing the favorite line of the current posters here: How Convenient! Just like the godless communist China threatening to launch its nukes if US/Israel attacks the muslim Iran.

Aminin mo na ebragais na talo talaga ang relihiyon mo.
Pagmamahal ng kapwa ang tinuturo sa amin,
Pero kayo puro galit sa kapwa ang aral,
Kaya maraming gustong lumayas sa inyo.

Iniimbita kita, puksain mo na lahat ng galit sa puso mo at tanggapin mo ang pagmamahal ni Hesukristo.

[tomenjeri]

Aha! A Muslim coming to the aid of the atheists! Borrowing the favorite line of the current posters here: How Convenient! Just like the godless communist China threatening to launch its nukes if US/Israel attacks the muslim Iran.

ay! saan po nagbanta ang Tsina na papupuslitin nito ang kanilang sandatang nukleyar sa oras po na maglunsad ng paglusob sa Iran ang Estados unidos at Israel?

[sugargame]

ay! saan po nagbanta ang Tsina na papupuslitin nito ang kanilang sandatang nukleyar sa oras po na maglunsad ng paglusob sa Iran ang Estados unidos at Israel?

Matagal ng balita ito, Pacensya ka na, hindi ako nagaral ng kris aquino o kalyeng tagalog.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC_vzQMRs9w

[tomenjeri]

Matagal ng balita ito, Pacensya ka na, hindi ako nagaral ng kris aquino o kalyeng tagalog.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC_vzQMRs9w

[video=youtube;EC_vzQMRs9w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC_vzQMRs9w

subalit wala naman pong ginagawang masama ang Iran upang lusubin ng ES at Israel, ang Israel po ay hinihinala din pong mayroong sandatang nukleyar subalit hindi po nilulusob ng Estados Unidos ano po? nagtatanggol lang po ang Tsina sa karapatan po ng isang bansa ano po?

[sugargame]

subalit wala naman pong ginagawang masama ang Iran upang lusubin ng ES at Israel, ang Israel po ay hinihinala din pong mayroong sandatang nukleyar subalit hindi po nilulusob ng Estados Unidos ano po? nagtatanggol lang po ang Tsina sa karapatan po ng isang bansa ano po?

Wala pa pong ginagawang masama ang Iran pero nagpahayag na sa buong mundo ang kanilang presidente na si Ahmedinejad ng intention na gumawa ng armas nukleyar at gamitin agad ito laban sa Estados Unidos at Israel upang mabilis mapatupad ang pangitain sa kanilang koran na bababa sa langit ang kanilang tagapagligtas upang supilin ang ahat ng kalaban ng Islam.

Nasa Koran po iyon, nililok at hinimok ng tadhana. Lahat ng muslim ay alam ito.

[tomenjeri]

Wala pa pong ginagawang masama ang Iran pero nagpahayag na sa buong mundo ang kanilang presidente na si Ahmedinejad ng intention na gumawa ng armas nukleyar at gamitin agad ito laban sa Estados Unidos at Israel upang mabilis mapatupad ang pangitain sa nila koran na bababa sa langit ang kanilang tagapagligtas upang supilin lahat ng kalaban ng Islam.

Nasa Koran po iyon, nililok at hinimok ng tadhana. Lahat ng muslim ay alam ito.

propaganda lang po iyan!

[tomenjeri]

Wala pa pong ginagawang masama ang Iran pero nagpahayag na sa buong mundo ang kanilang presidente na si Ahmedinejad ng intention na gumawa ng armas nukleyar at gamitin agad ito laban sa Estados Unidos at Israel upang mabilis mapatupad ang pangitain sa kanilang koran na bababa sa langit ang kanilang tagapagligtas upang supilin ang ahat ng kalaban ng Islam.

Nasa Koran po iyon, nililok at hinimok ng tadhana. Lahat ng muslim ay alam ito.

ay! propaganda lang po iyan!

Iran states the purpose of its nuclear program is the generation of power and that any other use would be a violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, of which it is a signatory, as well as being against Islamic religious principles. Iran claims that nuclear power is necessary for a booming population and rapidly-industrialising nation. It points to the fact that Iran's population has more than doubled in 20 years, the country regularly imports gasoline and electricity, and that burning fossil fuel in large amounts harms Iran's environment drastically. Additionally, Iran questions why it shouldn't be allowed to diversify its sources of energy, especially when there are fears of its oil fields eventually being depleted. It continues to argue that its valuable oil should be used for high value products and export, not simple electricity generation. Furthermore, Iran argues that nuclear power makes fairly good economic sense. Building reactors is expensive, but subsequent operating costs are low and stable, and increasingly competitive as fossil-fuel prices rise.[113] Iran also raises funding questions, claiming that developing the excess capacity in its oil industry would cost it $40 billion, not to speak of paying for the power plants. Harnessing nuclear power costs a fraction of this, considering Iran has abundant supplies of accessible uranium ore.[114] These claims have been echoed by Scott Ritter, the former UN weapons inspector in Iraq. Roger Stern, of John Hopkin's Department of Geography and Environmental Engineering, agrees "Iran's claims to need nuclear power could be genuine".[115]

Iran states it has a legal right to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes under the NPT, and further says that it "has constantly complied with its obligations under the NPT and the Statute of the International Atomic Energy Agency".[116] Twelve other countries are known to operate uranium enrichment facilities. Iran states that "the failure of certain Nuclear- Weapon States to fulfill their international obligations continue to be a source of threat for the international community".[21] Iran also states that "the only country that has ever used nuclear weapons still maintains a sizable arsenal of thousands of nuclear warheads" and calls for a stop to the transfer of technology to non-NPT states.[21] Iran has called for the development of a follow-up committee to ensure compliance with global nuclear disarmanent.[117] Iran and many other nations without nuclear weapons have said that the present situation whereby Nuclear Weapon States monopolise the right to possess nuclear weapons is "highly discriminatory", and they have pushed for steps to accelerate the process of nuclear disarmament.[118]

Iran has criticized the European Union because it believes it has taken no steps to reduce the danger of nuclear weapons in the Middle East.[21] Iran has called on the state of Israel to sign the NPT, accept inspection of its nuclear facilities, and place its nuclear facilities under IAEA safeguards.[21] Iran has proposed that the Middle East be established as a proposed Nuclear Weapon Free Zone.[21]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_an...ss_destruction

[sugargame]

Pakinggan po natin ang pahayag nya sa UN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myxV8OjL--0