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    Sino talaga ang nagbabawal ipabasa ang BIBLE sa members, Click this to Find out who

    heto pala yung madalas magsabi sa amin na hindi daw kami pwede magbasa ng bible sa INC

    nabubuking tuloy

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13635b.htm

    The next five hundred years show only local regulations concerning the use of the Bible in the vernacular. On 2 January, 1080, Gregory VII wrote to the Duke of Bohemia that he could not allow the publication of the Scriptures in the language of the country. The letter was written chiefly to refuse the petition of the Bohemians for permission to conduct Divine service in the Slavic language. The pontiff feared that the reading of the Bible in the vernacular would lead to irreverence and wrong interpretation of the inspired text (St. Gregory VII, "Epist.", vii, xi). The second document belongs to the time of the Waldensian and Albigensian heresies. The Bishop of Metz had written to Innocent III that there existed in his diocese a perfect frenzy for the Bible in the vernacular. In 1199 the pope replied that in general the desire to read the Scriptures was praiseworthy, but that the practice was dangerous for the simple and unlearned ("Epist., II, cxli; Hurter, "Gesch. des. Papstes Innocent III", Hamburg, 1842, IV, 501 sqq.). After the death of Innocent III, the Synod of Toulouse directed in 1229 its fourteenth canon against the misuse of Sacred Scripture on the part of the Cathari: "prohibemus, ne libros Veteris et Novi Testamenti laicis permittatur habere" (Hefele, "Concilgesch", Freiburg, 1863, V, 875). In 1233 the Synod of Tarragona issued a similar prohibition in its second canon, but both these laws are intended only for the countries subject to the jurisdiction of the respective synods (Hefele, ibid., 918). The Third Synod of Oxford, in 1408, owing to the disorders of the Lollards, who in addition to their crimes of violence and anarchy had introduced virulent interpolations into the vernacular sacred text, issued a law in virtue of which only the versions approved by the local ordinary or the provincial council were allowed to be read by the laity (Hefele, op. cit., VI, 817).

    Sister Mary Ann Collins a former nun documented in UNDERMINING SCRIPTURE,

    http://www.catholicconcerns.com/Undermining.html

    Under Roman rule, Latin became a universal language. So when the Bible was originally translated from Greek and Hebrew into Latin, that made it more available to people. However, with the collapse of the Roman empire, Latin was spoken less and less. In time, only scholars understood it. The vast majority of people no longer spoke it.

    Starting about 1080 there were many incidents where the Pope, Church councils, or individual bishops forbid the translation of the Bible into the language of the common people (the vernacular). [Note 2] Men such as William Tyndale were burned as heretics for translating the Bible into English. [Note 3]

    Laymen were not even allowed to read the Bible in Latin. Reading the Bible was considered to be proof that someone was a heretic. Men and women were burned at the stake for reading the Bible in Latin. [Note 4]

    People were so hungry to know what the Bible said that when an English translation of the Bible was finally made available, people packed the church where it was kept, while men took turns reading the Bible out loud. As long as there was daylight, men kept reading the Bible while the crowds listened. [Note 5]

    His "Note 2" says "Paul Johnson, 'A History of Christianity,' page 273. The author is Catholic. To know the sources of Sis. Mary Ann Collins, visit her documentation.

    sila lang may karapatan magpublish at magtranslate ng bible kasi sila daw nagcompile?

    totoo ba ito?

    kasi may napakinggan din ako sa tv5 radyo tv nila interview nila yung pari at nasabi niya dati na bawal daw magbasa ng bible ang hindi mga pari or mga church men

  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by krams2 View Post
    heto pala yung madalas magsabi sa amin na hindi daw kami pwede magbasa ng bible sa INC

    nabubuking tuloy

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13635b.htm

    The next five hundred years show only local regulations concerning the use of the Bible in the vernacular. On 2 January, 1080, Gregory VII wrote to the Duke of Bohemia that he could not allow the publication of the Scriptures in the language of the country. The letter was written chiefly to refuse the petition of the Bohemians for permission to conduct Divine service in the Slavic language. The pontiff feared that the reading of the Bible in the vernacular would lead to irreverence and wrong interpretation of the inspired text (St. Gregory VII, "Epist.", vii, xi). The second document belongs to the time of the Waldensian and Albigensian heresies. The Bishop of Metz had written to Innocent III that there existed in his diocese a perfect frenzy for the Bible in the vernacular. In 1199 the pope replied that in general the desire to read the Scriptures was praiseworthy, but that the practice was dangerous for the simple and unlearned ("Epist., II, cxli; Hurter, "Gesch. des. Papstes Innocent III", Hamburg, 1842, IV, 501 sqq.). After the death of Innocent III, the Synod of Toulouse directed in 1229 its fourteenth canon against the misuse of Sacred Scripture on the part of the Cathari: "prohibemus, ne libros Veteris et Novi Testamenti laicis permittatur habere" (Hefele, "Concilgesch", Freiburg, 1863, V, 875). In 1233 the Synod of Tarragona issued a similar prohibition in its second canon, but both these laws are intended only for the countries subject to the jurisdiction of the respective synods (Hefele, ibid., 918). The Third Synod of Oxford, in 1408, owing to the disorders of the Lollards, who in addition to their crimes of violence and anarchy had introduced virulent interpolations into the vernacular sacred text, issued a law in virtue of which only the versions approved by the local ordinary or the provincial council were allowed to be read by the laity (Hefele, op. cit., VI, 817).

    Sister Mary Ann Collins a former nun documented in UNDERMINING SCRIPTURE,

    http://www.catholicconcerns.com/Undermining.html

    Under Roman rule, Latin became a universal language. So when the Bible was originally translated from Greek and Hebrew into Latin, that made it more available to people. However, with the collapse of the Roman empire, Latin was spoken less and less. In time, only scholars understood it. The vast majority of people no longer spoke it.

    Starting about 1080 there were many incidents where the Pope, Church councils, or individual bishops forbid the translation of the Bible into the language of the common people (the vernacular). [Note 2] Men such as William Tyndale were burned as heretics for translating the Bible into English. [Note 3]

    Laymen were not even allowed to read the Bible in Latin. Reading the Bible was considered to be proof that someone was a heretic. Men and women were burned at the stake for reading the Bible in Latin. [Note 4]

    People were so hungry to know what the Bible said that when an English translation of the Bible was finally made available, people packed the church where it was kept, while men took turns reading the Bible out loud. As long as there was daylight, men kept reading the Bible while the crowds listened. [Note 5]

    His "Note 2" says "Paul Johnson, 'A History of Christianity,' page 273. The author is Catholic. To know the sources of Sis. Mary Ann Collins, visit her documentation.

    sila lang may karapatan magpublish at magtranslate ng bible kasi sila daw nagcompile?

    totoo ba ito?

    kasi may napakinggan din ako sa tv5 radyo tv nila interview nila yung pari at nasabi niya dati na bawal daw magbasa ng bible ang hindi mga pari or mga church men

    Bakit naman kailangan ipagbawal, atsaka hindi na yata nila magagawa iyan kasi mayroon ng e-bible sa websites diba.

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    Quote Originally Posted by banimalek View Post
    Bakit naman kailangan ipagbawal, atsaka hindi na yata nila magagawa iyan kasi mayroon ng e-bible sa websites diba.
    yan yung stand nila dati, kasi daw sila lang may karapatan maginterpret kasi sila daw nagcompile para daw sa mga heretics na magmali mali ng interpretation kaya nga kill the heretics monster kill pa triple kill pa

    ngayon syempre marami ng kopya at nasa net na kaya pwede ng magbasa ang members

    kaya nga nung marami ng pwedeng makabasa hayun nalabas ang maling aral nila

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    Quote Originally Posted by krams2 View Post
    yan yung stand nila dati, kasi daw sila lang may karapatan maginterpret kasi sila daw nagcompile para daw sa mga heretics na magmali mali ng interpretation kaya nga kill the heretics monster kill pa triple kill pa

    ngayon syempre marami ng kopya at nasa net na kaya pwede ng magbasa ang members

    kaya nga nung marami ng pwedeng makabasa hayun nalabas ang maling aral nila
    Bakit naman kasi ipagbawal pa kung gusto nilang malaman ng lahat ang nilalaman ng bibliya

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by banimalek View Post
    Bakit naman kasi ipagbawal pa kung gusto nilang malaman ng lahat ang nilalaman ng bibliya
    \sila daw kasi nagcompile derpor sila ang may karapatan uki payn

  6. #6
    ignore na lang diba nyahahaha

  7. #7
    Krams the logic behind the prohibition of reading the Bible individually by the early Catholic leadership is because of mis-interpretation of the Bible. Look what happenned after the Bible was allowed to be read individually, many thousands of interpretation na, kasama nga si Manalo diyan na nagkaroon ng sariling interpretasyon.

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    ^Oo nga naman. Si Pope infallible. Si Manalo hindi. Kaya wala dapat mag interpret kundi ang RCC lang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csco80 View Post
    Krams the logic behind the prohibition of reading the Bible individually by the early Catholic leadership is because of mis-interpretation of the Bible. Look what happenned after the Bible was allowed to be read individually, many thousands of interpretation na, kasama nga si Manalo diyan na nagkaroon ng sariling interpretasyon.
    Sa madaling salita csco80 either tama ang catholic o tama iyong ibang sekta ngayon na nakabasa na ng bibliya ninyo, tama po ba?

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    ^^^Haaay... Nagsalita na naman ang mga tuwirang lumalabag sa sinasabi ni Cristo sa John 17:3 (na ang Ama ang NAG-IISANG Diyos na tunay...)

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    "that he could not allow the publication of the Scriptures in the language of the country." =/= "Bawal magbasa ng Bibliya". Plus 1080AD? Seriously? What year is it now?

    Also, it's funny how a Muslim is agreeing to people who are criticizing the Catholics for not allowing translation of the Bible. What languages not called "Arabic" are the Quran officially translated to, again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by krams2 View Post
    heto pala yung madalas magsabi sa amin na hindi daw kami pwede magbasa ng bible sa INC

    nabubuking tuloy

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13635b.htm

    The next five hundred years show only local regulations concerning the use of the Bible in the vernacular. On 2 January, 1080, Gregory VII wrote to the Duke of Bohemia that he could not allow the publication of the Scriptures in the language of the country. The letter was written chiefly to refuse the petition of the Bohemians for permission to conduct Divine service in the Slavic language. The pontiff feared that the reading of the Bible in the vernacular would lead to irreverence and wrong interpretation of the inspired text (St. Gregory VII, "Epist.", vii, xi). The second document belongs to the time of the Waldensian and Albigensian heresies. The Bishop of Metz had written to Innocent III that there existed in his diocese a perfect frenzy for the Bible in the vernacular. In 1199 the pope replied that in general the desire to read the Scriptures was praiseworthy, but that the practice was dangerous for the simple and unlearned ("Epist., II, cxli; Hurter, "Gesch. des. Papstes Innocent III", Hamburg, 1842, IV, 501 sqq.). After the death of Innocent III, the Synod of Toulouse directed in 1229 its fourteenth canon against the misuse of Sacred Scripture on the part of the Cathari: "prohibemus, ne libros Veteris et Novi Testamenti laicis permittatur habere" (Hefele, "Concilgesch", Freiburg, 1863, V, 875). In 1233 the Synod of Tarragona issued a similar prohibition in its second canon, but both these laws are intended only for the countries subject to the jurisdiction of the respective synods (Hefele, ibid., 918). The Third Synod of Oxford, in 1408, owing to the disorders of the Lollards, who in addition to their crimes of violence and anarchy had introduced virulent interpolations into the vernacular sacred text, issued a law in virtue of which only the versions approved by the local ordinary or the provincial council were allowed to be read by the laity (Hefele, op. cit., VI, 817).

    Sister Mary Ann Collins a former nun documented in UNDERMINING SCRIPTURE,

    http://www.catholicconcerns.com/Undermining.html

    Under Roman rule, Latin became a universal language. So when the Bible was originally translated from Greek and Hebrew into Latin, that made it more available to people. However, with the collapse of the Roman empire, Latin was spoken less and less. In time, only scholars understood it. The vast majority of people no longer spoke it.

    Starting about 1080 there were many incidents where the Pope, Church councils, or individual bishops forbid the translation of the Bible into the language of the common people (the vernacular). [Note 2] Men such as William Tyndale were burned as heretics for translating the Bible into English. [Note 3]

    Laymen were not even allowed to read the Bible in Latin. Reading the Bible was considered to be proof that someone was a heretic. Men and women were burned at the stake for reading the Bible in Latin. [Note 4]

    People were so hungry to know what the Bible said that when an English translation of the Bible was finally made available, people packed the church where it was kept, while men took turns reading the Bible out loud. As long as there was daylight, men kept reading the Bible while the crowds listened. [Note 5]

    His "Note 2" says "Paul Johnson, 'A History of Christianity,' page 273. The author is Catholic. To know the sources of Sis. Mary Ann Collins, visit her documentation.

    sila lang may karapatan magpublish at magtranslate ng bible kasi sila daw nagcompile?

    totoo ba ito?

    kasi may napakinggan din ako sa tv5 radyo tv nila interview nila yung pari at nasabi niya dati na bawal daw magbasa ng bible ang hindi mga pari or mga church men

    ang tagal na niyan...nung nag aaral pa ako mula elementary hanggang college merong pinamimigay na libreng biblia ang mga catholic...kaya kung sa panahon ngayon ang pag uusapan hindi nila pinag babawal ang pagbabasa ng biblia...naka attend na ako ng doktrina ng INC at merong indirect doctrine na wag na lang basahin ang biblia dahil nandiyan naman ang mga ministro para magbasa para sa mga miyembro... ukie fayn...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kulaifu View Post
    ang tagal na niyan...nung nag aaral pa ako mula elementary hanggang college merong pinamimigay na libreng biblia ang mga catholic...kaya kung sa panahon ngayon ang pag uusapan hindi nila pinag babawal ang pagbabasa ng biblia...naka attend na ako ng doktrina ng INC at merong indirect doctrine na wag na lang basahin ang biblia dahil nandiyan naman ang mga ministro para magbasa para sa mga miyembro... ukie fayn...
    antagal na ng paratang na 'yan. Ilang beses nang napatunayang hindi bawal magbasa ng biblia sa INC.

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    ^Ine-encourage pa nga tayo magbasa ng Biblia para makita natin na ang lahat ng aral at doktrina natin ay nasa Biblia-- walang kahit isa na tradition.

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    And the simple fact na mga INC members dito ay nagko-quote mula sa Biblia, obviously may access sa Biblia, even online. Hindi kami aanib sa Iglesia kung hindi namin nakita mismo sa Biblia ang lahat ng aral ng Iglesia ni Cristo ay naroroon, maliwanag at tumpak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lola_Rose View Post
    And the simple fact na mga INC members dito ay nagko-quote mula sa Biblia, obviously may access sa Biblia, even online. Hindi kami aanib sa Iglesia kung hindi namin nakita mismo sa Biblia ang lahat ng aral ng Iglesia ni Cristo ay naroroon, maliwanag at tumpak.
    sana maglabas pa kayo ng mga qoute na magpapatunay na si ginoong manalo talaga ay anghel....yung tipong makukumbinsi si cedric errol...hehehehe
    ukie fayn

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    Quote Originally Posted by kulaifu View Post
    sana maglabas pa kayo ng mga qoute na magpapatunay na si ginoong manalo talaga ay anghel....yung tipong makukumbinsi si cedric errol...hehehehe
    ukie fayn
    Ilang beses nang nagawa 'yan throughout the years, but of course, palalabasin n'yong hindi. Ilang beses nang sinasabi sa 'yo na ang pagka-anghel ni FYM ay tumutukoy sa tungkulin niya bilang isinugo ng Diyos. Siya ay tao sa kalagayan. Anghel siya IN THE SENSE na isinugo siya ng Diyos (messenger).

    ON TOPIC:

    Sino talaga ang nagpataw ng patakaran na bawal magbasa ng Biblia ang mga karaniwang kaanib nila?

    Hindi INC 'yun...

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    baka ayaw ng ipabasa dahil kung gawin pang basihan ito magiging complikado, akalain mo naman kung ito ang mababasa mo at batayan mo,,,saan kapa!

    Ezekiel 4:12 At iyong kakaning parang mga munting tinapay na cebada, at iyong lulutuin sa dumi na galing sa tao sa kanilang paningin.

    IYONG LULUTUIN SA DUMI NA GALING SA TAO!..

    2Kings 18:27 Nguni’t sinabi ni Rabsaces sa kanila, Sinugo ba ako ng aking panginoon sa iyong panginoon, at sa iyo, upang salitain ang mga salitang ito? di ba niya ako sinugo sa mga lalake na nangakaupo sa kuta, upang magsikain ng kanilang sariling dumi, at upang magsiinom ng kanilang sariling ihi na kasalo ninyo?

    UPANG MAGSIKAIN NG KANILANG SARILING DUMI....eh tama nga naman na hindi na kailangang batayan pa o ipabasa.....yan lang ang isa sa mga maraming dahilan ang nakikita at nababasa ko!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaRvis_Jayren View Post
    Ilang beses nang nagawa 'yan throughout the years, but of course, palalabasin n'yong hindi. Ilang beses nang sinasabi sa 'yo na ang pagka-anghel ni FYM ay tumutukoy sa tungkulin niya bilang isinugo ng Diyos. Siya ay tao sa kalagayan. Anghel siya IN THE SENSE na isinugo siya ng Diyos (messenger).

    ON TOPIC:

    Sino talaga ang nagpataw ng patakaran na bawal magbasa ng Biblia ang mga karaniwang kaanib nila?

    Hindi INC 'yun...

    nakadalo nako ng doktrina at pagsamba ng INC dati....

    at meron talagang aral na dini discourage ang member na magbasa ng bible
    dahil hindi rin naman daw maiintindihan....hayaan na lang daw ang mga ministro na magbasa para sa mga miyembro...

    me utos....indirect nga ***

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaRvis_Jayren View Post
    Ilang beses nang nagawa 'yan throughout the years, but of course, palalabasin n'yong hindi. Ilang beses nang sinasabi sa 'yo na ang pagka-anghel ni FYM ay tumutukoy sa tungkulin niya bilang isinugo ng Diyos. Siya ay tao sa kalagayan. Anghel siya IN THE SENSE na isinugo siya ng Diyos (messenger).

    ON TOPIC:

    Sino talaga ang nagpataw ng patakaran na bawal magbasa ng Biblia ang mga karaniwang kaanib nila?

    Hindi INC 'yun...
    Quote Originally Posted by kulaifu View Post
    nakadalo nako ng doktrina at pagsamba ng INC dati....

    at meron talagang aral na dini discourage ang member na magbasa ng bible
    dahil hindi rin naman daw maiintindihan....hayaan na lang daw ang mga ministro na magbasa para sa mga miyembro...

    me utos....indirect nga ***
    Hanggang paratang ka na lang, pero hinding-hindi mo mapapatunayan...

    Kung totoong maraming beses ka nang nakadalo ng pagsamba, pamamahayag at doktrina ng INC, kapansin-pansin na hindi lang basta binabasa ang mga talata sa Biblia. Binabanggit din kung anong aklat, kapitulo at bersikulo ang binabasang mga talata.

    But, of course, the detractor that you are will say anything to put the INC in a bad light, kahit na to the point na hindi mo kayang patunayan ang paratang mo.

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