Philippines asks US for radars, patrol boats and aircraft

[pieno]

Before EDSA, gumagawa na tayo ng sariling armas, baril, bala, grenades at dinedevelop na rin natin ang sarili nating missile technology. May decent Airforce pa nuon. Kung di lang nagka EDSA, baka napaandar na ang Bataan Nuclear at gumulong ang 11 industrialization projects na kaakibat nito; mga key industries like machine tool, heavy industries like automobiles, including ship building kasama na dyan ang pag manufacture ng sarili nating barko de gyera. Before that meron ng NATIONAL STEEL, na pinalugi at pinabayaan dahil talo sa mas murang imports nung nag trade liberalization gaya ng ibang small and medium scale industries. Resulta, brain drain at RP/PHL- sickman of Asia.

Taas noo pa tayo nuon at tinitingala sa Asya. Ngayon, para tayong basang sisiw humihingi ng limos at tulong. Gaya ni DFA secretary na bumalik na kawawa pagkatapos kausapin si Clinton. Dali dali naman nag report si Clinton sa China, na kanilang creditor.

the EDSA revolution is one of the best thing that ever happened in our country.

Maraming kumokontra kasi involve ang Cardinal ng Simbahan.

Sa diktadurya kasi, ipagpupumilit sa iyo ang paniniwala ng iba, kapag tumanggi ka yari ka. Ganyan ang nangyayari ngayon sa China, dinidiktahan na parang robot ang kanilang mga tao, sa North Korea ganun din, bawal mo silang kausapin kapag media ka. Itong animal na Marcos na ito walang pinagkaiba sa mga yan. Sino ka bang hayup ka na ipipilit mo ang gusto mo sa akin hahaha bawal yung ganun, maling mali yun. Kapag ayaw mo at kinukwestyon ang pagkapangulo mo eh ikukulong sa lugar na di na makikita ng tao... mga Media kinikidnap... ganun si Marcos... sobrang kapal ng mukha binago ang constitution para lang ma-extend ang termino kasi napasarap siya sa Malacañang.

Bakit kailangang pabanguhin ang diktadurya sa mata ng mga tao ngayon?

KASI DAHIL SA ISLAM.

Ang Islam ay isang form ng totalitarian ideology kung saan ang diktador ay si Muhammad mismo kahit patay na siya. Kagaya ng mga kampon ni Satanas sa kasaysayan like Hitler, Mao, Stalin o Marcos si Muhammad ay isang dictator, sa katunayan siya ang inspirasyon ng mga demonyong ito. Kaya dapat tanggapin mo ang diktadurya ay dahil sa para handa kang tanggapin ang Islam. Tamo sa EDSA involve ang Simbahan, naku hate na hate ng mga Jihadis ito at mga tuta ng mga Jihadis.

Kahit pa GINAWA NI MARCOS na most powerful, wealthiest nation on Earth ang Pilipinas at pinatay niya si Boyet batang anak ni Primitivo Mijares,


Animal pa rin ang tingin ko kay Ferdinand Marcos mo. Dahil ang kayang gumawa nun, mangtorture ng bata, alisin ang mga kuko... mga kampon lang ng demonyo, mga atheist.

[pongpagong123]

kawawa naman talaga ang pilipinas, the beggar of Asia. Ang yabang ng mga pinoy, tutulungan daw siya ni big Uncle Sam lmao. yang colonial mentality na yan ang dahilan kaya napag-iwanan na tayo ng mga kapit-bahay natin. matuto naman tayng tumayo sa sariling paa.

Sa mga right-wing, American ***-lickers naman dito, bantayan niyo sana ang ginagawa ng US sa Mindanao. they already have permanent military facilities in Mindanao that are off-limits to philippine authorities. tangnang territorial integrity yan, tiyuhin mo mismo ang gumagahasa sayo. Nasa likod ang US ng pagtulak sa Bangsamoro Juridical Entity noong panahon ni GMA. Nasa likod din ang US ng nagaganap na pagbibigay ng higit na awtonomiya ni Pnoy ngayon sa Mindanao. HMmm, baka mamaya luzon at visayas na lang ang mga isla natin courtesy of Uncle Sam

[GR31]

Why do we have to rely on the US for equipment such as patrol craft that we are more than capable to build on our own??

I say we should be self reliant!! Nobody is going to help us when the sh!t hits the fan except ourselves!

Probably the assistance we can request for is technology transfer for the more technical aspects of the craft, but otherwise I think we can build our own ships. My gas, we build commercial vessels, with the Koreans here so why not navy vessels?

The Indonesians are doing it, we should be doing it as well.

Self-reliance is the key!

Our local commercial shipbuilding industry can only build hulls for warships, we still need foreign contractors for the modern weapons system etc.

Before EDSA, gumagawa na tayo ng sariling armas, baril, bala, grenades at dinedevelop na rin natin ang sarili nating missile technology. May decent Airforce pa nuon. Kung di lang nagka EDSA, baka napaandar na ang Bataan Nuclear at gumulong ang 11 industrialization projects na kaakibat nito; mga key industries like machine tool, heavy industries like automobiles, including ship building kasama na dyan ang pag manufacture ng sarili nating barko de gyera. Before that meron ng NATIONAL STEEL, na pinalugi at pinabayaan dahil talo sa mas murang imports nung nag trade liberalization gaya ng ibang small and medium scale industries. Resulta, brain drain at RP/PHL- sickman of Asia.

Taas noo pa tayo nuon at tinitingala sa Asya. Ngayon, para tayong basang sisiw humihingi ng limos at tulong. Gaya ni DFA secretary na bumalik na kawawa pagkatapos kausapin si Clinton. Dali dali naman nag report si Clinton sa China, na kanilang creditor.

That wasn't guided missile technology at all but large unguided rockets which was known as the Santa Barbara Project.

[4Wheeler]

Just because you can build a commercial ship doesn't mean you can build a military ship. The only thing they have in common is they float. Military ships needs modern equipment like radar, engine, computer navigation, communications, and etc. Even the hull material will be different. None of these tech can be made from scratch by pinoys.

Just because pinoys can build a jeepney doesn't mean they can build a Porsche.

[coconutnut]

Just because you can build a commercial ship doesn't mean you can build a military ship. The only thing they have in common is they float. Military ships needs modern equipment like radar, engine, computer navigation, communications, and etc. Even the hull material will be different. None of these tech can be made from scratch by pinoys.

Just because pinoys can build a jeepney doesn't mean they can build a Porsche.

ang pessimist naman nito.. kung nagawa nga natin sa mga cellphone eh why not battleships.. buy one study then create our own..

During the world war II they capture military stuff from enemies study them then build something that can counter them.. Di ba natin kaya yan ngayon? kulang sa tin walang tiwala sa kapwa pinoy eh..

[sugaDaddy4u]

If there's a will, there's is a way.

Kailangan lang natin ng budget sa R&D para ma-realize yung mga gusto natin gawin. There are things na kailangan aralin pero madali na lang yan basta may budget at support from the government.

Kailangan din ng isang magaling na leader na may ambisyon, pagmamahal at malasakit sa bansa.

[pedped]

Medjo may pagka alam niyo na ang article nato..eh credible pa rin naman kasi more or less eto ang talagang nangyayari sa pilipinas ngayon http://blog-by-taga-ilog-news.blogsp...urce=BP_recent

[pedped]

Quote lang
"At the moment, the US and Aquino regime are engaged in a calibrated anti-China propaganda campaign in order to justify and allow the US to control the Philippines and East Asia militarily. We are being subjected to an anti-China scare aimed at further strengthening the dominance of US imperialism and the domestic rule of its reactionary puppets like Aquino. Right now, we must give the highest priority to fighting these monsters."

[imanh0rn]

Medjo may pagka alam niyo na ang article nato..eh credible pa rin naman kasi more or less eto ang talagang nangyayari sa pilipinas ngayon http://blog-by-taga-ilog-news.blogsp...urce=BP_recent

Joma Sison on Philippine Sovereignty, Red China & the Bald Eagle
By Prof. Jose Maria Sison
Chairperson, International League of Peoples’ Struggle
April 20, 2012
(Reply to Questions from Renato Reyes, BAYAN Secretary General)

Joma sison? as en?

tumahimik nga tong red commie na to paid by China din naman siya eh.



another propaganda material para sa mga clueless NPA awed by big ENGLISH words ironically bashing AMERICANS

[maikimai]

Yep China already built bases without permission is just a good old Anti-China scare, what a ****ing idiot.

[GR31]

Just because you can build a commercial ship doesn't mean you can build a military ship. The only thing they have in common is they float. Military ships needs modern equipment like radar, engine, computer navigation, communications, and etc. Even the hull material will be different. None of these tech can be made from scratch by pinoys.

Just because pinoys can build a jeepney doesn't mean they can build a Porsche.

TOMOH!

ang pessimist naman nito.. kung nagawa nga natin sa mga cellphone eh why not battleships.. buy one study then create our own..

During the world war II they capture military stuff from enemies study them then build something that can counter them.. Di ba natin kaya yan ngayon? kulang sa tin walang tiwala sa kapwa pinoy eh..

We simply don't have the modern technology to build modern warships. What these local shipbuilders can only do is build the hulls but later on hire foreign contractors to install the modern weapons system, long range radars, fire control system, etc.

WW2 technology is old school man, even a highschool student can imitate their innovations.

[ruddervator78]

Kinansel kasi ni Erap yung military r&d natin. May mga attack helicopters tayo na gawa natin tulad ng Hummingbirds ini-scrap. Tapos yung general na nakaimbento ng helicopter na tumatakbo using water ay pinatay nila.

If you are referring to the hummingbird of PADC. I am sorry to say na hindi ito attack helicopters at lalong lalo n hindi ito original.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PADC_Hummingbird

[coconutnut]

TOMOH!



We simply don't have the modern technology to build modern warships. What these local shipbuilders can only do is build the hulls but later on hire foreign contractors to install the modern weapons system, long range radars, fire control system, etc.

WW2 technology is old school man, even a highschool student can imitate their innovations.

okay di nya na-gets yung point.. oh well

[GR31]

If you are referring to the hummingbird of PADC. I am sorry to say na hindi ito attack helicopters at lalong lalo n hindi ito original.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PADC_Hummingbird

It was copied from the BO-105 which then caused the Germans to sue the PAF.

okay di nya na-gets yung point.. oh well

What point? It's pointless! Look at the BRP Aguinaldo class, it failed to meet its expectation to be a missile boat... it ended up as an under powered patrol boat because simply don't have the modern technology to build modern warships. Look at the BRP Tagbanua and a WW2-era landing craft and LST... they look the same because the BRP Tagbanua is an enlarged landing craft! Even our MPACs are copied from a foreign fast attack craft but what is modern about it? Age probably.

[JobyBryant24]

Tapos lahat pala MADE IN CHINA. Naloko na!!!

[GR31]

Sana may like button dito!

[R3'91]

Fine. If we cannot build modern ships yet, then we should at least buy them brand new from others. Like Indonesia, for example, who are now building fast missile boats and even their own submarines.

[_Bahay_Kubo_]

^ actually, comparing a second-hand frigate like the Heneral Goyo to a brand-new, Indonesian-made fast attack craft is akin to comparing apples to oranges. we all know that they perform distinct functions, right?

well anyway, the Heneral Goyo was purchased because her long range and long endurance are needed to cover the Philippines' vast territory and EEZ. the Heneral Goyo, an upgraded old warship that actually possesses provisions for the addition of weapons and equipment such as SSMs, SAMs, ASW torpedoes, sonar and better radar, will prepare us for the coming of more modern vessels, especially those that we wish to obtain from Italy (Maestrale class frigates, Soldati/Artigliere class frigates, Minerva class corvettes), a function that cannot be done of the current fleet of vessels that we have.

on the other hand, a fast attack craft/missile boat, unlike the Heneral Goyo and other big naval vessels (destroyers, frigates, corvettes, offshore patrol vessels), has limited range and endurance. for one, you cannot deploy a fast attack craft in the KIG, which is relatively far from Puerto Princesa, Palawan, thus you need a bigger vessel to cover the area. you also cannot deploy a small fast attack craft to cover the turbulent sea between Batanes and Taiwan.

only a handful of small patrol vessels were designed with long range and long endurance in mind. one of them is the Australian Armidale class patrol boat, which was designed to replace the older Fremantle class patrol boat of the Royal Australian Navy. lots of considerations were factored in during the designing and building of the Armidales such as the need to reach Australia's far-flung tropical and Antarctic territories and the ability to operate at rough seas.

in our case, it's more desirable to have offshore patrol vessels that are big enough to cover vast distances and stay at sea for a considerable amount of time and with an aft helicopter deck and hangar. iba din yung klase ng "war scenario" na meron tayo kaya nga gusto natin magkaroon ng multipurpose corvettes na may ASuW, ASW at AAW capabilities.

[R3'91]

^ point taken sir.

I was looking at four things only: the dollar value, the weapons system (line of sight vs missiles), the age of the ships and the immediate situation (i.e. Bajo de Masinloc).

What I am really pointing at is that we should follow the lead of the Indonesians who are rightfully beefing up their navy and doing it by partly building their own ships. This, of course, after initially seeking help (i.e. tech transfers) then eventually doing it on their own.

[_Bahay_Kubo_]

^ we have the foundations to actually build our own ships. it's just that we're limited on that aspect because of lack of government support, thus resulting to our shipyards producing mostly civilian vessels (tankers, passenger ships, etc.).

however, with us being able to build the BRP Tagbanua, an LCU, entirely here in the Philippines, i have high hopes. sana lang talaga ay ma-realize ng mga namumuno sa atin yung economic potential ng shipbuilding industry natin, especially in providing thousands of jobs, bringing in lots of income and spurring the growth of the Philippine steel industry.