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    Should we abandon science now?


    Top Secret Codeword Revealed

    Although it seems often that the ordinary lessons of Galilean defiance and cosmology, Newtonian gravity, the Darwinian evolution, Marx’s dialectical philosophy, Einstein’s relativity principle, Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle, Everett’s multiverse, and Hawking’s eternal universe ideas are the only regular objects of attack there are in fact other victims. Truth, fairness, peace, freedom, true science, free inquiry, and the intellectual struggle take terrible beatings, too.

    There is an extraordinary conscious effort in the suppression of extraordinary disquieting facts to divert the general public from the ordinary but real central issue. No one knows now why science was invented by our ancient ancestors because the keepers of the two competing visions have fully abandoned the real central issue of survival.

    Most people are confused why science is studied and developed for, thus, more and more people shy away from it. As a matter of fact, people ask where science is leading us to.

    Others, especially, the ordinary individual has been prone to dismiss scientific theories as irrelevant or as some kind of media hypes. The elitists and the greedy kudzus of unrestrained commercialism—double standard, double-talk, and discrimination—regard them simply rhetoric.

    Even as they benefit from science and technology the dark forces of the mystical embracing memes, meanwhile, are exploiting the situation. By disseminating that the beginning of time is the real central issue the general public is more than ever befuddled on what is really our ultimate goal in trying to understand the universe.

    So, despite the advances made in science and technology more and more people shy away from it because they find scientific theories difficult to grasp. People find them irrelevant too because the elitist but befuddled keepers haven’t emphasized that it is merely a tool in our intellectual struggle to understand the universe for our ultimate goal of survival.

    To complicate matters, the keepers of the two seemingly competing visions in the world of science haven’t only tried hard devising perplexing scientific theories but linked them to creation. As a result, more and more people get more befuddled because even if the old fundamental contradictions and conflicts were discarded the new ones that evolved haven’t been resolved likewise until now.

    To make matters worse, the keepers are conveying the wrong impression that reductionism is the real central issue. We all know that combining the two incoherent scientific theories and mixing the four fundamental forces isn’t the issue, meaning it is not a priority.

    Hence, it becomes apparent that reductionism is a top secret code word in a top secret race among the keepers to build the ultimate weapon of mass destruction (UWMD) to leverage the world’s ruling elites. Because of the propensity of unbridled self-interest or greed the misguided elements and flawed men may misuse it again as in the irrational exercise of wisdom and power in order to preserve their interests.

    We all know that science was invented not only to understand our universe but for survival. We also know that history is being studied not for the sake of knowing but why people are killing each other as in brutal and disastrous world wars but to stop the killing and prevent world wars from happening again.

    But, the ruling keepers in the world of science haven’t only completely abandoned the real central issue of survival but replaced it for the sake of their firm beliefs of the two seemingly competing visions. Hence, it becomes apparent also that they aren’t only comfortable now in serving the interests of the world’s ruling elites in politics, economics and religion but to leverage them with the UWMD as partners in a new totalitarian world order.

    In reality, the seemingly competing visions are two faces of the same thing.

    If the old vision upholds the old myth of creation based on the sacred text the relatively newer vision upholds the modern scientific myth of big bang creation based on the pure mechanical philosophical materialism of Thales of Miletus of the great Ionian Awakening.

    We, as men of science have not been willing to ignore these. We take seriously the usefulness, the benefits, quality of life, and opportunities for many people that true science has provided and; the economic prosperity and progress that science and technology on which our country spends billions of dollars in education and infrastructures.

    We believed that science was invented by our ancestors for their survival and not to create problems. We believed that the real central issue in our intellectual struggle to understand the universe is survival and not proving the basic doctrines of the two seemingly competing visions of the keepers.

    We believe that the real central issue in the world of science is still survival and not finding or proving the beginning of time because the human species is more than ever endangered than 50ys ago.

    We care about being fairly treated. We care, too, about the reasonableness, fairness, and usefulness of the scientific process and development to progress and economic prosperity for the people.

    We believe that humans invented science to solve problems for its survival, not to create them. We encourage its development, not to create obstacles to it. It is not perfect. It can be misused. It is only a tool. But so far, it is the best tool we have.

    Indeed it should be self-questioning, self-correcting, ongoing, and applicable to everything. Some said that if it is the standard practice in religion and politics to suppress uncomfortable ideas this has no place in the endeavors of science.

    Sad to say, however, after Albert Einstein unleashed his great initiatives, science became the bastion of the totalitarian keepers. Because of their entanglement with creation they cannot cut their links to the traditional old ways in viewing the universe. If there is double standard, inconsistency that exists in the world of science of the totalitarian keepers it is mainly because of the entanglement with creation.

    Any other proposed solutions such as, the new theory of knowledge of the new cosmic approach that are diametrically opposed to the basic doctrines of the two seeming competing visions are automatically suppressed by the totalitarian keepers that rule the world of science.

    They are allergic to the new cosmic approach even if it has been successful in identifying and resolving all the contradictions in an-all-round way, and once-and-for-all to see because it is a clear and presents danger to their totalitarian regime, they have relentlessly suppressed it. Thus, in this sense, science is stuck with the two old and obsolete derivative conceptual tools of the two seemingly competing visions.

    We believe in good relations among other communities, as among people, are base on mutual respect. We believe in promoting mutual understanding and not deepening conflict, as in nurturing freedom and not serving bondage.

    However, we denounce the misguided attacks on true science by the dark forces and their agents who misrepresents science. We are ready to stand by and defend the arguments of the reality of the usefulness of science and technology not only for the betterment but the ultimate survival of the human species.

    We believed in the idea of free inquiry and protecting it. We believed that all the opposing ideas are as necessary steps in our intellectual struggle. We believed that there are other pathways such as the new power tool of the new cosmic approach, which is far better than the usual standard and the two old and obsolete conventional approaches in viewing our universe.

    We believed that the universe is not to be comprehended as a complex of ready-made things, but as a complex process. We believed there is a common language that all technical civilizations, no matter how different, must have.

    If music is the universal language, that common language of technical civilization is science and mathematics. If science is attack, we defend it. If it is misused we expose and oppose it.

    As in the past, many people are ready to serve and support the goals of science on why it was invented and are not willing accomplices in a betrayal of its goals and ideals. To do so would mock the good faith of all the people who are supporting it.
    Last edited by Mojowatcher; Apr 26, 2012 at 02:10 PM. Reason: Fix paragraphing space for easy reading

  2. #2
    Can you please fix it into paragraphs so its easier to read? Thanks a bunch.

  3. #3
    Thanks for that. I am sorry I'm still new here and am having trouble in editing it. Will do anyway.

  4. #4
    In your statements, science looks like something that isn't good. But generally, it is a double-edged sword; the negative feedback depends on how you use it and what is your purpose.

    But regarding your question, we can't abandon science because it is part of our daily lives.

  5. #5
    Hi, sonled, is that fixing ok now with you?

    Anyway, for those who believe that science was invented for our survival and not to find the beginning of time they can also see my postings on the threads, such as, in the creation mojo, time travel notion, dark energy, ancient aliens. Thank you.

  6. #6
    Never, physical world wants science only we hate is science FICTIONS doesn't fit to physical laws.

    SCIENCE FICTIONS like:

    Time travel, if you denied spiritual world , you should not believe on that thing.

    Those are not SCIENCE, we don't accept it. We want only pure science as we love spiritual one.

    PURE SCIENCE is human friendly, but fictitious science is our enemy.

    We believe in invisible and visible, as human are made of (visible)body and (invisible)feelings and soul.

    Give to caesar what belongs to caesar and give to God belongs to God.

    Just we want is purity,

    VISIBLE should be govern by visible laws, but it could good for all if it is govern by LOVE, para helpful ito sa tao.. INVISIBLE should be govern by invisible laws.

    SCIENCE belongs to VISIBLE and LOVE belongs to INVISIBLE.
    But we believe visible comes from invisible.
    Last edited by Godfearingman; Apr 26, 2012 at 08:34 PM.

  7. #7
    Science made it possible for you to post your rather lengthy article.

  8. #8
    Thanks for that neospy. Actually, I wrote that article for the reasons already stated.

    It is also my response to the assertions of some that we should abandon science now. But, in so doing, I stumbled upon the real central issue of survival on why science was invented in the first place, which eventually led me in unraveling the missing piece of the puzzle on what really stuck science.

    For example, John Hogan said that science has reached its usefulness for it has already described practically everything. The End of Science (1996).

    In addition, Günter Stent’s Paradoxes of Progress (1998), who have even gone so far as to argue that science as a discipline has finished its work; that there is nothing important left for science to discover that no further revolutions lie ahead and so on.

    Moreover, Stephen Hawking pronounced in 1992 that it is the end of physics. His book Gödel’s theorem and the end of physics explains why he believes so.
    Last edited by Mojowatcher; Apr 28, 2012 at 03:49 PM. Reason: comma and grammar

  9. #9
    science was invented inorder to explain things in a logical way not using magic books and the likes hehehe

  10. #10
    Obviously, it is a long article. Thanks for your comment matangkahoy, I agree.

    But can you comment on the substance? Thanks again.

  11. #11
    Hi doombot. I'm not incline to agree entirely with you but you're observation is correct. But do you think that it was invented to find the beginning of time?

  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Mojowatcher View Post
    Hi doombot. I'm not incline to agree entirely with you but you're observation is correct. But do you think that it was invented to find the beginning of time?
    i'm not sure. maybe.

    but most ancient scientist, are astronomers and alchemist that want to study things and provide explanations.

    do you know the secrets of the beginning of time? please explain in short sentences. thanks.

  13. #13
    Hi godfearingman! Thanks also for your comments. I agree partially because I think finding and proving the beginning time is a great deflection for science.

    I think the keepers of the oldest vision have done a great job already on the question of creation, thus, I said I have no arguments with them in so far as the great job they did in resolving on their own as regards creation.

    My only argument is what is the point of inventing science if we only have to find or prove the beginning of time.
    Last edited by Mojowatcher; Apr 28, 2012 at 05:28 PM. Reason: grammar

  14. #14
    Of course, no one can but as pointed out it is a great deflection for scientists to find and prove the beginning of time, which implies creation.

    As emphasized also, in my other postings in this regard, science is stuck because the ruling keepers were entangled with creation that they cannot cut their links to the traditional old ways in viewing the universe.

  15. #15
    i've been reading your posts for a while dafuq is the keepers?

  16. #16
    When I say it is stuck it didn't move to the next higher stage since the great intellectual revolutions of the early 20th century science.

    We are still stuck with the two great but incoherent scientific theories. That's if we take our point of departure during the first great revolutions in human thoughts of the ancient pioneering scientists of the great Ionian Awakening.

  17. #17
    As a matter of fact, the two great scientific theories general relativity and quantum mechanics cannot explain the so-called great shocker of 1998, the accelerating expansion of the universe.

    Of course, as I have explained in my other postings on the dark energy, and the creation of the universe threads, the accelerating expansion is a great mystery because of the big bang creation and expanding universe ideas, which were rooted out from the field equation of general relativity theory of gravity of Albert Einstein.

  18. #18
    Quantum mechanics cannot explain it because of the assumption that the universe is expanding. Thus, I said in those postings that the ruling keepers in the world of science are in big dilemma between abandoning the expanding universe idea and the most proven theory in science.

  19. #19
    The keepers of the two competing visions are the scientists that upholds the oldest vision aka philosophical idealism, and the relatively new vision aka pure mechanical philosophical materialism of the Thales type.

    You should be aware that the discipline of physics evolved out of natural philosophy. The oldest vision upholds the myth of creation based on the sacred texts. The relatively newer vision upholds the scientific myth of the big bang creation.

    According to the latter, their scientific myth of creation is testable by experiments. Nevertheless, they are two faces of the same thing, they both uphold creation.

    One my arguments is that scientists are in a state of great confusion for abandoning the real central issue of survival. No one can deny that they are principally engaged in finding and proving how the universe started off, and therefore confusion.

    Science was invented for the betterment of humans and its ultimate survival and not to find how the universe started off.

  20. #20
    The best proof that they are completely entangled are enumerated already in my postings in the Big Bang disproved thread.

    You can also go to the Dark energy thread to understand that the beginning of time is a hotly debated issue.

    In reality, there are no data to support either the big bang and all the other hypotheses such as the simultaneous big bangs, cycle of big bangs and no-bang at all.

    Please read them.


    Thank you for asking.
    Last edited by Mojowatcher; Apr 28, 2012 at 05:20 PM. Reason: emphasis of the big bang thread,grammar

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